Article

2009-04-01 Iraq

Koch's Comments: Let's get out of Afghanistan and Iraq now

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-04-01 07:09|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

#1 It truly is a pity that you can't afford to retire, Ed.

Posted by William Marcy Tweed 2009-04-01 12:07|| 2009-04-01 12:07|| Front Page Top

#2 Does anyone think the Iraqis will come to love or even like us? I don't.

As a nation, I wouldn't want to be 'loved'. Respected as in tough but fair and one that you don't want to get on the bad side of.

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-04-01 14:01|| 2009-04-01 14:01|| Front Page Top

#3 Does anyone think the Iraqis will come to love or even like us? I don't.

Which of the European countries love or even like us? And yet the European and North African theaters cost us 300,000 dead - in a war where neither Germany nor Italy attacked a single square inch of American territory.

I believe the tribal killings there among the Shi'ites, Sunnis and Kurds based on historic animosities will continue after we leave - unless a repressive dictator akin to Saddam Hussein takes over.

Just about every country in the world has historical animosities that get smoothed over. Indians had their ancestral lands completely taken over. They're not exactly running around killing the foreign interlopers who took over, are they? Blacks were taken in chains to this country, where they were bred like cattle into generations of chattel slavery. Are they running around blowing up the descendants of their white masters?

Posted by Zhang Fei 2009-04-01 15:43|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2009-04-01 15:43|| Front Page Top

#4 Just about every country in the world has historical animosities that get smoothed over. Indians had their ancestral lands completely taken over. They're not exactly running around killing the foreign interlopers who took over, are they? Blacks were taken in chains to this country, where they were bred like cattle into generations of chattel slavery. Are they running around blowing up the descendants of their white masters?

Zhang, aren't you on the side of all those unionist occupying forces?

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-04-01 16:06|| 2009-04-01 16:06|| Front Page Top

#5 Zhang, aren't you on the side of all those unionist occupying forces?

I've always favored the Union side, but for un-PC reasons probably similar to Lincoln's and some of the Unionists of the era. If the Confederacy had endured, the importation of slaves might have resumed. Given how breeding slaves was a profitable endeavor, I suspect a Confederate government would have greatly expanded the slave population. As the slave population grew in relation to the white population, they would eventually have taken over the Confederate government, either via slave revolts or eventual enfranchisement. Imagine the black-ruled Caribbean dystopias of today expanded to include the entire South. What the Union did was in the long term interests of the South - the slave-owners were simply too myopic to understand this fact, and the non-slave owners were too enraptured by the rhetoric of state's rights to figure out that a society with an increasing helot population (in relation to non-helots) will eventually be ruled by helots, and much of the non-helot population forced out.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2009-04-01 16:33|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2009-04-01 16:33|| Front Page Top

23:58 rjschwarz
23:48 Galactic Coordinator Omavising9607
23:37 JosephMendiola
23:34 JosephMendiola
23:09 ed
23:05 JosephMendiola
23:00 Thing From Snowy Mountain
22:59 Thing From Snowy Mountain
22:59 JosephMendiola
22:55 JosephMendiola
22:39 Spiny Norman
22:15 Old Patriot
21:58 Barbara Skolaut
21:54 Barbara Skolaut
21:46 Iblis
21:19 Rambler in Virginia
20:54 DMFD
20:27 JosephMendiola
20:23 JosephMendiola
20:18 Bright Pebbles the flatulent
20:16 Barbara Skolaut
20:16 JosephMendiola
20:15 whatadeal
20:09 Barbara Skolaut