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2006-04-20 Africa Subsaharan

Oil Reaches Record in New York as Car Bomb Explodes in Nigeria

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Posted by phil_b 2006-04-20 05:47|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Car bombs' a GOOD excuse!! Whatda ya think??

Posted by ARMYGUY 2006-04-20 07:02|| 2006-04-20 07:02|| Front Page Top

#2 I think speculator's are making a killing.

Posted by Shuns Uleating3851 2006-04-20 08:36|| 2006-04-20 08:36|| Front Page Top

#3 Texas? It must be Bush's fault...

Posted by Raj 2006-04-20 09:18|| 2006-04-20 09:18|| Front Page Top

#4 get off the SUV craze and we could save ourselves alot of headache.

Posted by bk 2006-04-20 10:07|| 2006-04-20 10:07|| Front Page Top

#5 bk, YOU try getting 2 adults an 3 children 6 years old and under in the back seat of a car that gets 30 mpg and still meet the seat restraint laws in ANY state. Can't be done. A lot of people who own SUV's do so because thay can get their families into a safer vehicle. My truck is classed as an SUV and I'd like to see someone haul 60 bales of hay in the back while pulling a trailer with another 150 bales in with vehicle thats gets 30 mpg. Get off the SUV bashing. Changing driving habits will have a bigger effect on fuel consumption.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2006-04-20 12:19|| 2006-04-20 12:19|| Front Page Top

#6 I must refute some of your assumptions.

YOU try getting 2 adults an 3 children 6 years old and under in the back seat of a car that gets 30 mpg and still meet the seat restraint laws in ANY state. Can't be done.

Ok. How about 25 mpg, even less. For families with family needs there should be intermedaiate sized cars (remember station wagons?) w/ reasonable mog and not classified as trucks to avoid regs.

A lot of people who own SUV's do so because thay can get their families into a safer vehicle.

They are not safer. The only rime the SUV is safer is when it is running into a smaller car.

My truck is classed as an SUV

No, your SUV is classified as a truck.

and I'd like to see someone haul 60 bales of hay in the back while pulling a trailer with another 150 bales in with vehicle thats gets 30 mpg.

Here is the problem. Obviously someone with needs like yours should be able to buy and drive the vehicle of their choice.
SUV for you, no problem.
The problem started with the idea of going around the regs and specs to gussy up a truck and sell it as a luxury vehicle while not having to meet passeneger vehicle safety or mileage standards.
Bad for all of us.
Then they started telling everyone about the "safety" of these
large vehicles which is a myth.
Soccer moms and inner cityy commuters really don't need hill climbning monster trucks with luxury emblems.
It is a destructive fad.

Get off the SUV bashing. Changing driving habits will have a bigger effect on fuel consumption.

People have to go places. Nobody here is taking fun rides. Too crowded out there even at 38 mpg in a car that actually handles and can get out of it's own way.

Posted by Jim#6 2006-04-20 12:42|| 2006-04-20 12:42|| Front Page Top

#7 God, my typing sucks.

Posted by Jim#6 2006-04-20 12:43|| 2006-04-20 12:43|| Front Page Top

#8 #4: get off the SUV craze and we could save ourselves alot of headache.

A friend has a new Scion, hybrid drive, it's a medium SUV and gets 38-40 MPG.

Stop trying to force us to do what you want, you don't want a SUV fine, as far as what I drive Butt Out.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2006-04-20 13:17|| 2006-04-20 13:17|| Front Page Top

#9 The SUPPLY of oil isn't the problem - it's both where it comes from and how it has to get to the user. We buy foreign oil because the enviroweenies have jacked up the cost of local production to where it's virtually uneconomical. We're NOT drilling in Alaska, we're NOT drilling off the coast of California, we're NOT doing deep drilling in the Gulf, because of "environmental concerns" that are most often based upon fraud. We haven't built a new refinery in the US in 30 years. We haven't built a nuclear reactor in 30 years. We refuse to build breeder reactors because of "environmental concerns". We (I.e., the government) also penalize every aspect of oil production, transportation, refining, marketing, and distribution of oil products with senseless over-regulation and safety concerns NASA couldn't abide by.

Vehicles come in all sizes because people have varying needs. I drive a van because driving anything else HURTS. It's not the vehicle, or even the gas mileage, but the constant government and NGO interference in the marketplace that causes gas to cost so da$$$$$ much. $.48 of ever gallon I buy is for federal and state gasoline taxes, and both the feds and the state want to raise them again.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2006-04-20 14:46|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2006-04-20 14:46|| Front Page Top

#10 No, your SUV is classified as a truck Horseshit! I have a pick-up truk. It isn't a "Sport/Utility Vehicle". They used to BE classified as "Pickup Truck". I'm sick to hell of people confronting me at gas stations and admonishing me because I have a "Big SUV". The Insurance company, the local government, and the federal government tell me I own a "Sport/Utility Vehicle". I'd sure as hell like to know where the "Sport" comes in.
As far as driving habits, I own a Chevrolet Cavalier for everyday driving. I wish I had a nickle for every SOB who passes me doing twice the speed limit. It's my belief that EVERYONE who drives needs to take measures to save fuel. Dumping on one type vehicle sounds good on TV but it's just so much bugle oil. It sounds like "I'm not gouing to change MY driving habits but those gas-guzzeling SUV owners had better change theirs". Blow it out your bazooka, bub.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2006-04-20 15:26|| 2006-04-20 15:26|| Front Page Top

#11 We are at the mercy of a volatile world oil market because we STILL do not have a real national energy policy and a national energy plan. We do not have these essential things because we do not have any national leadership in this area.
1. The President has not pushed this like he should.
2. The Republicans have had six years to make something happen and they have failed.
3. The Dems are obstructionists and generally worthless, so we give them a pass, sort of.

I guess that it is up to the people to get this thing going.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2006-04-20 16:10|| 2006-04-20 16:10|| Front Page Top

#12 it's just so much bugle oil
Hit 'em on the flanks now! Charge!

Git 'em Deacon.

Posted by 6 2006-04-20 16:36|| 2006-04-20 16:36|| Front Page Top

#13 1. the lack of new refineries has NOTHING to do with the escalating price of CRUDE.

2. Breeders were NOT stopped for enviro concerns, but for proliferation concerns.

You want to drill in ANWR, fine. Are you willing to balance that with a policies that address demand as well?

Re:SUVs. Most SUV drivers are using them for passengers, onroad. If they really needed more seating, theyd get a minivan.

Re SUVS and CAFE standards: Im not wild about CAFE regs as a way to control demand anyway. CAFE regs may force people to more efficient cars. They DONT A. Get people to drive more efficiently (within the speed limit, tuned up, tires inflated, etc, etc) B. To carpool C. To combine trips, or make errands closer to home D. Walk, bike, or use transit E. Telecommute F. Live closer to work, and so on and so forth.

What DOES do that? A higher price at the pump. Now we can let the market set the price high, which is fine, except most of the money goes to foreigners (and a pretty nasty gang of them, at that) OR we can increase taxes on it, and the money goes into the Treasury.

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-20 16:50|| 2006-04-20 16:50|| Front Page Top

#14 LH, Almost agree. One big problem is the volatility in the oil prices. This makes it dangerous to develop capital intensive domestic alternatives. What we need to do is tax imports sufficiently that it makes developing tar sands and other domestic sources economical.

So an oil import fee that assures that the price of a barrel of imp0orted crude never costs less than $50 per barrel with an inflation adjustment. This would stimulate alternative sources do domestic development and make financial return on conservation measures more certain.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-04-20 16:58|| 2006-04-20 16:58|| Front Page Top

#15 my gas policy is Git There Furstus with the Mostus

Posted by RD 2006-04-20 17:06|| 2006-04-20 17:06|| Front Page Top

#16 LH I do agree with most of what you say. The refining capacity here has no impact on the price of crude but does have a big impact on the price of gassolene. Another factor is which additives are allowed in which States. It would be great if each State had a dedicated refinery for it's particular brand of gas. That aint gonna happen. This is one of the very few instances where I think the Federal Government sould set standards. My daughter has 3 children 6 and under. They either have to own an SUV or some type of minivan. The SUV's are easier to handle but more expensive so the own a minivan (my son-in-law gets pissed when I refer to it as a snub-nosed wusswagon). We live in a consumer driven society. If people want to drive SUV's and can afford the gas, who am I to say they can't?

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2006-04-20 17:15|| 2006-04-20 17:15|| Front Page Top

#17 Remember station wagons ?

Posted by Jim#6 2006-04-20 17:40|| 2006-04-20 17:40|| Front Page Top

#18 It won't matter if demand falls, driving fuel efficient cars, etc, as long as you're still using oil to power your car. So what if your car uses only 1 gallon for a whole month? You will still pay the same amount at the pump each month. Gasoline makers are free to do this because demand is inelastic. Demand is inelastic because there is no alternative resource to power your car.

For now, the only effective solution is to change habits. Walk more. Car pool more. Take transit more. And if you have a farm, buy some horses. Good luck with that.

Posted by Barron 2006-04-20 17:44|| 2006-04-20 17:44|| Front Page Top

#19 "It won't matter if demand falls, driving fuel efficient cars, etc, as long as you're still using oil to power your car. So what if your car uses only 1 gallon for a whole month? You will still pay the same amount at the pump each month. "

another arithmatic challenged person.

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-20 17:49|| 2006-04-20 17:49|| Front Page Top

#20 I hate S.U.V.'s! For the most part they handle like three-legged coffee tables, launch about as hard as a riding lawnmower and have woefull brakes. That being said, telling someone they should not own one is un(maybe even anti)American and anyone who does should receive a hardy bitch slapping on the spot. Domestic drilling would have a small effect, but I doubt we will ever see real relief at the pump. Here in Minnesota we sell what is called E85 (85 percent ethanol) and the price for E85 keeps pace with gasoline. We'll never see gas prices stabalize, and I doubt they will ever get back down under $2.00 a gallon. Our politicians aren't actually concerned with the price of gas, they just want the issue.

Posted by Mike N. 2006-04-20 17:49|| 2006-04-20 17:49|| Front Page Top

#21 "If people want to drive SUV's and can afford the gas, who am I to say they can't?"

while im opposed to specific policies that target SUV's, i reserve my right to rant at the folks who drive them.

And if theres a real debate going on over supply side policies, like opening ANWR, vs demand side policies that raise the cost at the pump, you cant expect me to ignore the fact that the costs of the demand side policies, will fall, among other groups, on people driving vehicles that A. I think they dont need and drive for status reasons and B. That make my own driving experience less pleasant.

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-20 17:52|| 2006-04-20 17:52|| Front Page Top

#22 As for the demand side... I bet everyone on this board see's at least one driver every week that should not be allowed to do so. Give 'Burgers' the right to yank license's and we should see demand drop significantly.

Posted by Mike N. 2006-04-20 17:56|| 2006-04-20 17:56|| Front Page Top

#23 LH, I think you crossed a line there. You reserve the right to rant about people who drive vehicles you think they don't need and make my driving experience less pleasant. So other people shouldn't drive anything except what you think they need? Most people don't need anything more than an Isetta. I would bet it's not what people drive but certain drivers that impact your pleasurable driving experience.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2006-04-20 18:24|| 2006-04-20 18:24|| Front Page Top

#24 another arithmatic challenged person.

Another economics challenged person. Learn the difference between quantity demanded and demand, then we'll talk, ok? Learn something about elasticities while you're at it.

Posted by Barron 2006-04-20 18:32|| 2006-04-20 18:32|| Front Page Top

#25 . Gasoline makers are free to do this because demand is inelastic

:> Right. Ima still trying to figure out why they didn't raise the price back in the '90s. Reno fear?

Posted by 6 2006-04-20 19:15|| 2006-04-20 19:15|| Front Page Top

#26 If people want to drive SUV's and can afford the gas, who am I to say they can't?

Perhaps we need to change what people want. When something less taxing becomes "in" and provides the image people want to project to the world, then things may change. People want what the marketers tell them they want for the most part. The SUV craze is an example of desire based on image. People must, en masse (en fad), change what they want. Until efficient and cheap becomes "in", no hope. The vehicle as whang and power - big, expensive. Hard to get a guy to change that image.

Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-04-20 19:47|| 2006-04-20 19:47|| Front Page Top

#27 Nimble Spemble is on the money. A tax on imported oil must be part of our energy policy for the reasons he states. The majority of the price increases in the last few years are a FUD tax in regards to the middle east. I smaller portion of the increases in price is due to increase in demand due to the emerging economies.
The US has the technical means to supply all our own oil or its replacement at prices much below $74/barrel. However, these technical means require ENORMOUS capital investment. No one is going to make such an investment when the Saudia's can open the spigots and make them unprofitable practiacally overnight. The problem with oil is political and it solution is the same.

Posted by Hyperfine 2006-04-20 20:10|| 2006-04-20 20:10|| Front Page Top

#28 Yep, Nimble S is right and its nice to see others voice the solution some of us have been advocating for a while now.

The problem at root is one of risk. The USA could have unlimited energy supplies. The problem is that vast sums of money are needed and the payback will be over 20 or more years. Businesses and capitalists won't do that when they could be undercut on price and driven out of business and lose billions.

Only governments can carry those kinds of risks. My proposal is that goverment invites bidders to supply oil from non-traditional sources over 20 years. A business can then determine what price makes an investment viable and bid it. I'd suggest you will see pretty much unlimited supply in the $30 to $40 range.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2006-04-20 20:23|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2006-04-20 20:23|| Front Page Top

#29 Thank you HL and phil_b. I too have been advocating this for some time. But then I advocate school choice, too. And replacing the income tax with a consumption tax. Let's see, am I forgetting any other lost causes? Oh, yes, make employer supplied health insurance illegal.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-04-20 20:28|| 2006-04-20 20:28|| Front Page Top

#30 while im opposed to specific policies that target SUV's, i reserve my right to rant at the folks who drive them.

OK lets be fair,
Exactly what do you drive?
How many miles do you drive a week?
Why?
Where? (Geographical area, City, Suburbs, Country, Interstate?)

In other words, do you "Walk the walk" or are you just a fu**ing meddler.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2006-04-20 20:38|| 2006-04-20 20:38|| Front Page Top

#31 NS, I wasn't implying you weren't a long term advocate. Its just that 2 or 3 years back when I raised the proposal above9on a number of pccasions), it stirred up a lot of criticism. I'm just struck by how little criticism it causes today.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2006-04-20 20:49|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2006-04-20 20:49|| Front Page Top

#32 Around the farm I drive a TA45, but when I take the special someone out of the town I put on the Spur. We drive mostly on the farm, no more than 250 miles a week, maybe 400 if we drive into town. Usually we take the G5 for that, though.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-04-20 20:57|| 2006-04-20 20:57|| Front Page Top

#33 Phil, with the number of economics majors in US colleges, you'd think there would be more support for common sense measures. That there isn't is a testament to the effectiveness of teachers' unions and why I think they are a greater threat to the country than Islam.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-04-20 20:59|| 2006-04-20 20:59|| Front Page Top

#34 Perhaps we need to change what people want.

Perhaps it would be more respectful and more effective to have a clear discussion about alternatives. Arrogant condescension seldom works as a means of attracting support for a policy in this particular democracy.

I drive an SUV from time to time. My Jeep is nearly 10 years old now, is relatively comfortable, used to carry cargo often and provides 4 wheel drive on the dangerous winter roads I travel on.

I also drive it from time to time because it is paid for and in good working order. We are paying a substantial amount for our adult daughter's medical care and therefore I am not willing to sell it for a pittance in order to purchase something more fuel efficient -- assuming I could find such a thing that also was as capable in snow and on ice.

While we're on the topic of fuel economy, all those who criticize SUVs (without clarifying what size / model you might have in mind) ... you all DO avoid air travel for vacations, right? Or at least figure in the fuel used when you compare your virtuous car to that nasty suv that just passed you?

I'm more than interested in a discussion about good policy alternatives to our current dependence on imported oil. But the condescension here is getting in the way of my hearing some of you.

Posted by lotp 2006-04-20 21:12|| 2006-04-20 21:12|| Front Page Top

#35 I'm sorry partier, I was bad. But it was fun. Will you be at the Blogapalooza?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-04-20 21:15|| 2006-04-20 21:15|| Front Page Top

#36 I'll start, I drive a 1988 Isuzu Pickup , 4 cylinder 2600CC 5 speed manual overdrive, when I bought it (Used) it had been refitted with Toyota 15 inch wheels to increase the mileage 10%
It gets about 18MPG in town and 22 on the highway, I work 1,8 miles from home and fill it once a month with about 18 gallons of regular unleaded, I also carry a sealed 5 gallon emergency can that I empty and refill every 4 months or so to keep the gas from getting stale, I shop at Wal Mart which is even closer (About one mile) and I have modified the fuel system to run even leaner than designed, my fuel bill is under 5 gallons a week or less.

This is a "Throw the concrete blocks in the back" rough pickup, not intended for "Show" a real, rusty, beat up, working truck, safe for any speed on the interstate, durable, and reliable as a tank. Currently has 200,00 miles plus and going strong

I also have a 1993 Mustang 4 cylinder 2300 CC engine automatic overdrive transmission, it gets about 24MPG on the interstate, this is our long distance interstate cruiser, we don't use it much, I'll drive it to work occasionaly to keep it in good condition for trips, we usualy either go to Montgomery (168 miles one way) to visit my Mother, or to Biloxi (54 Miles) to visit my Brother, its used only for trips, it also has slightly above 200,000 miles and is also reliable as a tank.

I would not heritate to jump in either vehicle for an emergency trip anywhere in the nation, and in fact have done so before, such as Hurricane Katrina when I got a tow dolly amd used the Isuzu ti tow the Mustand to Montgomery round trip 325+ miles with NO preparation other than loading the things we wanted to save. (Fortunately unneeded, we had no damage)

Total monthly gas usage, about 20 gallons (Being generous) Both vehicles are kept full of fuel for emergencies (Power out equals gas Pumps out)
I do NOT use any form of public transportation such as buses although we have a bus route directly in front of our apartment, it's very inconvenient, we're a mile or less from two big malls and two smaller ones, about 1/2 mile from two interstates, and there's just no need.
I have absolutely no interest in either Motorcycles, Scooters, Bicycles or other "Alternate" transportation, I owned a Citicar (Electric) once and it was a huge dissapointment, very poor design, short range, low speed, and hard to recharge/maintain.

By the way, I'm a Master Mechanic and do all my own repair and maintenance.

Top that. (Nyah, Nyah)

Posted by Redneck Jim 2006-04-20 21:16|| 2006-04-20 21:16|| Front Page Top

#37 NS, I had hoped to be at both the milblog conference and the Rantapalooza. But now it looks as if I won't be able to get away to DC tomorrow, unfortunately.

Hoist a glass for me, okay?

Posted by lotp 2006-04-20 21:17|| 2006-04-20 21:17|| Front Page Top

#38 Basically boils down to this: is your SUV based on a truck platform (Ford Explorer) or a car platform (Honda CRV)? Or is a Honda CRV not considered an SUV? Maybe people should start considering smaller SUVs.

Posted by Barron 2006-04-20 21:24|| 2006-04-20 21:24|| Front Page Top

#39 At 6'4" and 230lbs ... I can't fit behind the wheel in cars under $30K. They are made for little people. I can fit behind the wheel of an SUV.

Posted by 3dc 2006-04-20 21:28|| 2006-04-20 21:28|| Front Page Top

#40 At almost, but not quite, 5' tall, I too am limited in what I can drive. At the moment it's a 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan. I think it gets about 18 mpg -- there is something a little odd about the transmission, Mr. Wife says, but he's a chemical engineer, so he doesn't know what. I try to keep up with tire pressure and oil changes and things, but admit to driving too fast -- generally because I'm late. I fill the gas tank about every 10-20 days.

Now that the trailing daughters have given up soccer, we don't really need a minivan for everyday, but Mr. Wife still wants it for long trips, and td#1 wants it to be her first vehicle when she gets her license. So I'm hoping to acquire a hybrid RAV4 mini-SUV (I think about 30 mpg? so a 50%+ increase in efficiency) -- we live in the hilly part of town, and the roads get icy in winter. When that happens I stay home; I once tried to drive through the snow, and not only couldn't get the beast out of the neighborhood, but barely got it home again. I try to bike to the grocery store if I only need a few things, but otherwise everything is miles away here in the outer suburbs, and no public transportation to be had.

Oh, and I use a manual push mower most of the time, so no gasoline used there.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-04-20 22:26|| 2006-04-20 22:26|| Front Page Top

#41 I drive a truck. Nothing else to say. No apologies or excuses

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-04-20 22:29|| 2006-04-20 22:29|| Front Page Top

#42 I forgot. I'm also limited by Mr. Wife refusing to put me in something either expensive or crushable. Driving is not one of my strengths, I'm afraid. So I'll not get one of those tiny 50 mpg jobbies until they can translate that mileage to something more tank-like.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-04-20 22:31|| 2006-04-20 22:31|| Front Page Top

#43 Frank, you're an engineer. Of course you do. ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2006-04-20 22:31|| 2006-04-20 22:31|| Front Page Top

#44 I bought an 01 intrepid and love it. Plenty of leg room and it gets 26 miles to the gallon. I'm seriously thinking about buying a hybrid the next time, but that won't happen for awhile. 3dc, I'm not big like you, but trying to fit into a subaru or something smaller for my long commute is terrible, I did it for many years though. My arthritis gets in the way now explaining my intrepid.
Living in a bedroom community to a big city, I find myself having to drive 90 miles round trip (mountain driving) to work. I love where I live, but now feel guilty that I'm part of the problem. I would love to have public transportation be more available but they don't run late enough for me. I would love to see one late catch all bus maybe.
lotp, sorry for digressing. I do feel that the price will continue to rise with all of the fighting going on. Or I wonder if this is being spread to explain away the rising costs.

Posted by Jan 2006-04-20 22:37|| 2006-04-20 22:37|| Front Page Top

#45 thks for the understanding TW :-)

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-04-20 22:40|| 2006-04-20 22:40|| Front Page Top

#46 yes that too trailing wife, safety is a big issue driving in the mountains especially in the winter. I always have studded tires in the winter. And like the safety afforded by having air bags.
My daughter was in a head on collision on the hwy, oh how I wish there were airbags in that car. she was okay, but many broken bones and long recovery process.
I would love to see a car with good safety features and that would be economical. sigh...

Posted by Jan 2006-04-20 22:42|| 2006-04-20 22:42|| Front Page Top

#47 there is something a little odd about the transmission, Mr. Wife says

It's plastic and it's made in China. Pre-DaimlerChrysler Caravans and Voyagers are known for this problem. My Voyager had 3 transmissions, the poor thing.

Posted by Barron 2006-04-20 23:16|| 2006-04-20 23:16|| Front Page Top

#48 Lest we fergit, the Euros are paying an average of US$6.00+ per gallon, the Japanese at least US$14.00+. Here on Guam USA its now US$2.91 up from US$2.89, although I hear specific gas stations have as high as US$3.01 or US$3.03 per gallon. O'REILLY on FNC was on a rampage again - i.e. heated dsicussion with his guest - this AM about how his analyses show US consumers were being wilfully gouged by Big Oil.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-04-20 23:43|| 2006-04-20 23:43|| Front Page Top

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