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2007-04-18 Iraq

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Posted by Fred 2007-04-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11137 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 As a reminder, CONSERVATIVE GRAPEVINE > THE CORNER > insurgents have used WMDS NINE TIMES IN ATTACKS INSIDE IRAQ, and NO ONE CARES, thus DemoLeft-MSM's "NO WMDS IN IRAQ" rants on.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-04-18 01:16|| 2007-04-18 01:16|| Front Page Top

#2 Does it count as 'using a WMD' if it does not cause mass destruction? Does it count as actually being a WMD if it is not capable of generally causing mass destruction? Maybe they get a free pass until they actually succeed in poisoning a few thousand people in one shot.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-04-18 07:35|| 2007-04-18 07:35|| Front Page Top

#3 They could set off Kruschev's 100 MT nuke and it wouldn't count as an WMD if it were directed at the US or its allies.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2007-04-18 08:27|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2007-04-18 08:27|| Front Page Top

#4 this seems like a waste of nitric acid to me. nitric acid is the prime component in the manufacture of many powerful improvised explosives, and could have been used been put to better use.

Posted by Abu do you love 2007-04-18 09:46|| 2007-04-18 09:46|| Front Page Top

#5 Losing capability?

Posted by eLarson 2007-04-18 09:56|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2007-04-18 09:56|| Front Page Top

#6 Glenmore,
What if it only causes a few hundred casualties?

Al

Posted by Frozen Al 2007-04-18 10:22|| 2007-04-18 10:22|| Front Page Top

#7 Abu

That was my thoughts reading this? Sounds basicly like a fert bomb along the lines of the Oklahoma system. I don't see why it would be considered a chemical attack?

I read somewere the other day they think they have a handle on the Cholorine bombs by holding all inbound cholorine trucks until a armed escort could be arranged. The cholorine trucks were from Jordan, Syria, Iran but enroute oddley were being hijacked. Jordan is somewhat trustworthy but Syria/Iran I still don't see why we don't proclaim each of those borders closed and shoot without notice anything/person caught in the no-go-zone between.

Posted by C-Low 2007-04-18 13:06|| 2007-04-18 13:06|| Front Page Top

#8 this seems like a waste of nitric acid to me.

It would make sense if they felt they had way more nitric acid than they were capable of using or way more than they could ever hope for.

Perhaps the IED factories have been wiped out. I doubt to that degree, but maybe. Unless a significant number of them got taken out without being replaced, I don't think they would have this kind of excess. And if they did, the suppliers would have to be in cahoots to know to pool it and give it to someone willling to do this kind of attack.

I'm no chemist, but I am assuming it doesn't take more than a five gallon bucket to make a decent bomb. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure it doesn't take a tanker full.

Something is fishy here and it seems there ought to be enough info out of an investigation to do some serious harm to one of the terrorists crucial suppliers.

Posted by gorb 2007-04-18 15:09|| 2007-04-18 15:09|| Front Page Top

#9 Gorb: you are on target with the amount of acid needed. i dont want to give easy advice on 'how to' here but suffice it to say that there are several rather simple and (by comparison to the usual terrorist methods) 'safe' ways to have concocted a powerful explosive. i really dont know what they might have been thinking using as reported as a nitric acid (HN03) spill is not particualry dangerous outside of contact with the eyes. in fact normal battery acid (sulfuric acid - H2SO4) is significantly more dangerous in direct contact with skin/eyes.

the chlorine gas that was previously used was a danger becuase chlorine is very reactive and when exposed to water (sweat/tears/lungs)produces hydrochloric acid (HCl)which causes severe burns. nitric acid is essentially as reactive as HCl or H2SO4, but would not disperse like chlorine gas, and does not react as agressively with organic compounds (like flesh) as sulfuric acid does.

i hope this isnt too dry and boring...

Posted by Abu do you love 2007-04-18 17:45|| 2007-04-18 17:45|| Front Page Top

#10 The military just busted a Baghdad warehouse with 3000 gallons of nitric acid. While it may better be used to make explosives, terrorism is a media war and an acid or chlorine attacks garner more breathless headlines than the run of the mill car bomb.

Posted by ed 2007-04-18 18:11|| 2007-04-18 18:11|| Front Page Top

#11 Just had a thought on perspective...
By decent bomb, I was thinking an anti-personnel device with say the boom of an artillery shell (155MM) not the boom of a 2000 pounder...

5 gallons of concentrated HNO3 can produce 10-15 KG of HE if you get decent yeild. Again it depends on the 'recipe' and the skill of the chemist.

Posted by Abu do you love 2007-04-18 18:16|| 2007-04-18 18:16|| Front Page Top

#12 I don't know about the rest of you guys but I'm worried about material that may be supplied to insurgents by Iran, Syria, N. Korea, Pakistan and how they are getting it to them. Who supplies the nitric acid and the chlorine gas? How do we know they aren't getting ready to ship some here to home grown groups through their shipping supply channels? I think maybe through Islamic companies and charities. I wonder are they using the prison system gangs to tranfer orders and information? I hate it when you can just feel that something is amiss but you can't quite put a finger on what it is or how it will take place.
I just know the one person I was able to get the most iformation from has become very cautious about his little hints. He just keeps reminding me that things are "moving toward the future". Has started reading his bible and going to church.
Usually this means a way to make a mockery of christianity and how to figure out ways to do dirty work while appearing legit on the surface.
I wonder who is providing he money to pay these
driver's and where are they when the vehicles are loaded? Seems to me figuring this out would curb many of AlQ's attacks. But oh well, who listens to average everyday people?

Posted by Pink Panther 2007-04-18 19:19|| 2007-04-18 19:19|| Front Page Top

#13 Abu: Thanks. No, it's informative, not dry! :-)

I don't know about the rest of you guys but I'm worried about material that may be supplied to insurgents by Iran, Syria

That goes without saying.

Posted by gorb 2007-04-18 23:55|| 2007-04-18 23:55|| Front Page Top

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