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2005-04-17 Home Front: WoT
FBI, CIA Proposals To Retool Called 'Business as Usual'
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Posted by Fred 2005-04-17 00:00:00 AM|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 How many f***ing iterations will these "reform plans" go through?

Shut the CIA down already. Raze it to the ground and start over.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-17 12:11:23 AM||   2005-04-17 12:11:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 CIA will get cleaned up if Goss keeps his courage.

FBI on the other hand, needs to be taken completely out of the Intel game. We need a seperate domestic Intel/Counterintel agency reporting directly to DNI.

Split off the part of the FBI tasked with it - pull them to a seperate building, seperate agency. Train them at the DIA & CIA facilities - and let the FBI only trian them as to what the US legel limits are on their operations (until they can stand up thier own staff).

This allows the CIA to completely focus overseas, and to have a COMPETENT stateside counterpart that they can completely trust to treat it as an intel matter, not a criminal one. The FBI, as far as Intel goes, is just as broken as the CIA - the FBI first looks for criminal then for intel because fo the jackass that ran the FBI durign the 90's in cahoost with Janet Reno (the worst Attny General we EVER had) - they dont put the resources into intel that they should, and never will.

As for the CIA... well lest saythat step one is still not done - Goss is still clearing the dead wood.
Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-17 1:32:51 AM||   2005-04-17 1:32:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 #1 [Deleted. You said the same thing on Page 1. Put it up again and I get to test the spam filter changes.]
Posted by American sheeplike people 2005-04-17 6:04:09 AM||   2005-04-17 6:04:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 American sheeplike people, speaking as non-American, what has happened since GW Bush was first elected is the most positive series of developments in my entire lifetime. You may hanker after a world in which many many thousands of dead bodies (not to mention rapes, mutilations and torture) are acceptable as long as you don't have to view them on the nightly news. However, its not acceptable to me.
Posted by phil_b 2005-04-17 6:36:53 AM||   2005-04-17 6:36:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 A good start would be hiring Sephardic Jews who know Arabic. Now the Muzzies dominate the translation services and Jews are not welcome. World Net Daily has written about this

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=9153
When Sephardim in Brooklyn heard the FBI was looking for translators of Arabic after 9-11, some 90 people — most of Syrian origin — submitted applications. Two years later, not one has been hired.

Rep. Anthony Weiner is pressing the bureau for information on why none have made the cut.

“We became suspicious that it might be because of their religion or having Israel stamped on their passports,” said Weiner, whose district includes parts of Queens and Brooklyn. “When we asked the FBI to investigate, without specific information about who applied, they couldn’t answer.”

With help from Sephardic Bikur Cholim, a social service group that coordinates employment opportunities, Weiner provided the bureau with a list of applicants.

In a letter this week to FBI Director William Mueller, Weiner and Reps. Frank Pallone and Robert Andrews of New Jersey and Peter Deutsch of Florida called on Mueller to provide an explanation “to ensure that no bias or discrimination exists.”

An FBI spokesman in New York, Jim Margolin, said that of the initial pool of applicants, some were disqualified because they were not citizens. Others did not pass written or oral proficiency tests given by the Department of Defense.

“Only one person scored sufficiently to proceed to the next step,” said Margolin, who said he did not know what happened to that applicant.

He added that the screening process is a long one that “is not yet complete” and said some of the Sephardic applicants may still be hired if they retake the tests.

Posted by sea cruise 2005-04-17 6:52:47 AM||   2005-04-17 6:52:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Jamie Gorelick ran Justice along with some Black Deputy Attorney General whose name escapes me. Reno was out of the loop especially after 1996. I suspect she's drinker plus her Parkinsons was creeping up on her.
Posted by sea cruise 2005-04-17 7:16:14 AM||   2005-04-17 7:16:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 i'm no expert on cia or fbi, but IMO, ONE major
flaw with the fbi is that they don't do enough to stop the criminal activities that they are observing - and rather they allow the activity to proliferate under their protection - preventing local law enforcement or other agencies from preventing crimes.

I hope no one will come back and condescend to me that they need to watch rather than just go out and bust heads...uh...duh. But my point is that they too often protect criminal gangs, drug operations, terrorist cells and other activities - allowing them to root to the point where removing the "big cheese" that they were orginally after is no longer useful because an entire geographic area or criminal enterprise has grown so much under their watch that it becomes impossible to stop what they have allowed to prosper.

extreme analogy to make my point: If you don't like gambling - you could have, back in the 50's put a lid on the open gambling in las vegas. Now, it would be impossible to prevent gambling in las vegas - and the enterprises that grew up there have clout to expand to many other places.

you can't just collect data, data and more data. you have to use the data to achieve goals. The fbi's goal in the past has just been to allow things to grow out of their control as they catalog what's happening.
Posted by 2b 2005-04-17 7:29:47 AM||   2005-04-17 7:29:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 example #2 world trade center bombing #1
Posted by anon 2005-04-17 7:31:32 AM||   2005-04-17 7:31:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 There is apparently only one way to fix the Intelligence Community (IC). That is to get a group of washed out demigod politicos to pass judgment on how to reform an IC for which they operationally know virtually nothing about.

The result: an all to frequent knee-jerk response to create new organizational chart boxes, add new layers (i.e., more CYAs, increased turf issues, more confusion), name an intelligence 'czar', and permit a radical subgroup of bereaved 911 family members to serve as board of directors. Invite the TV cameras and pundits to the circus hearings to observe the public castigation of Dr. Rice, Attorney General Ashcroft, and others who were in office less than six months before 911 due to prolonged, politically charged senator confirmation hearings.

Add the forlorned Richard Clarke who was more than willing to shown his furry as a scorned bureaucrat.
Posted by Captain America 2005-04-17 12:05:47 PM||   2005-04-17 12:05:47 PM|| Front Page Top

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