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2006-04-06 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

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Posted by Fred 2006-04-06 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11140 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 oo... sounds scary.... ooh ooh ooh..
Even has an antenna ... scary..

Posted by 3dc 2006-04-06 00:22|| 2006-04-06 00:22|| Front Page Top

#2 Exciting war games with brand new missiles and torpedoes going every which way. I wonder how much useful intelligence a fellow might pick up just lurking around. Not that gentlemen would ever stoop to spying, mind you.

Posted by SteveS 2006-04-06 00:37|| 2006-04-06 00:37|| Front Page Top

#3 I'm somewhat concerned about this capability; the suppressed conclusion out of the Pentagon concerning the downing of one of our Stealth Fighters by the Serbs during that war was rumored to be Line Of Sight+Night Vision+ Delayed Tracking Activation by that missile! Unless our ships can turn on a dime, or Aegis is 'all seeing' with our Awacs; I can relax!

Posted by smn 2006-04-06 01:24|| 2006-04-06 01:24|| Front Page Top

#4 Taken collectively it likely is minor how many super-weapons Iran says it has - the Mullahs and MadMoud are willing, fanatical, and desperate enuff to risk geopol confrontation between the Cold War powers, war and invasion of their own country, to include PC MSM-verified anti-American "People's War". Will say again that Iran's ultimate aces are the anti-American Americans pols already within the NPE, and PC "Amer Hiroshimas", i.e. terror attacks which in reality are disguised decapitation strikes against Dubya and the GOP-NPE, and which in all likelihood is what the Clinton-led Dems truly want and are inducing. THe DEms surviving any GOP-caused/blamed new 9-11's/AMer Hiroshimas = Saving America + world from GOP-caused/blmaed nuclear "brinkmanship", just as America unilater "volunteering" to give up its sovereignty, Govt. freedoms and endowments to OWG and a [Russia-China dominated]coalition of world states = America being militarily forced to by same, by the "world community". The Lefties are RINOS-CINOS and agenda-less for a reason, people -remember, the Left > Dubya is both Adolf Bushitler whom needs to be stopped iff not wiped out, as well as an unruly, little brat, know-it-all ideo half-brother to Marx, Stalin, and Mao, in dire need of "proper" guidance from his Regulation-, Welfarism-, Centralism, Hyper-Govt. Empire and Holocaust-happy, etal. Commie-Socialist Mother.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-04-06 03:20|| 2006-04-06 03:20|| Front Page Top

#5 "conclusion out of the Pentagon concerning the downing of one of our Stealth Fighters by the Serbs." Your right! The generals really should come clean and publish their conclusion in the newspapers, that way other enemies can use the same method to shoot down other stealth aircraft. Are you that stupid or just naive?

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-04-06 06:57|| 2006-04-06 06:57|| Front Page Top

#6 Just whom is Iraq trying to impress? And why?
I thought they WANTED us to attack. Or was that last week?

Posted by Chath Spomomble2196 2006-04-06 08:54|| 2006-04-06 08:54|| Front Page Top

#7 Bring it!

Posted by Captain America 2006-04-06 10:01|| 2006-04-06 10:01|| Front Page Top

#8 Um.. I hate to break it to you, but the stealth aircraft was downed because of our own stupidity. The asshats in the Clinton chain of command were just SURE that the serbs wouldn't fire at our planes from "safe area". The F-117 was flying how it shouldn't, doing what it shouldn't in an area that it really shouldn't have. (ie, flying medium altiude, with lights on, with radar on)
Radar tracking stations in Sibera could have picked it up.

Posted by DarthVader 2006-04-06 10:53|| 2006-04-06 10:53|| Front Page Top

#9 Something I forgot to add ... flying OVER a radar site. Stealth is not invisable. Fly BETWEEN radar and you won't get seen, fly over it ... well ... BOOM for starters.

Posted by DarthVader 2006-04-06 10:55|| 2006-04-06 10:55|| Front Page Top

#10 And the Serbs were using a standard Soviet air defense technique, tracking with radar in one location with hardwire guidance relayed to the shooters in another, presumably unexpected location. Same thing Saddam tried in the later years of the No-Fly zones.

Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins 2006-04-06 11:13|| http://blog.simmins.org]">[http://blog.simmins.org] 2006-04-06 11:13|| Front Page Top

#11 no no the airdefense the serb had was actually a modified set of Soviet gear - recently the Guy in charge of the group that shot down the F-117 told the whole story and its fasinating stuff, they actually modified there systems (cant remeber how) and were a very professional group. Its worth googling up on. Interestingly when the 117 went down there was actually a mig (cant remeber which type) within a few miles and it never knew the 117 was there at all. Yes spies in NATO and stupid flightpaths didnt help one bit but it was not a lucky shot, it was a skilled piece of air defense.

Posted by ShepUK 2006-04-06 12:12|| 2006-04-06 12:12|| Front Page Top

#12 I still call bullcrap Shep, especially a story from the enemy. I work with many air force pukes and several of them were with that air squad during the Clinton years. We did so much political stupid shit, JUST like we did in vietnam that it is a miracle more aircraft were not shot down. The f-117 is not designed to be prevented from being seen, just reduce the signature return. It flys between radar sites at low altitude to keep from being detected and it can't have its radar on.
The one that was shot down did everything that you AREN'T supposed to do to keep being seen (kinda like the Monty python skit on how not to be seen). The civilians in the pentegon and the yes men air farce pukes wanted it to be seen to show the Serbs "See, we could have killed you, but we didn't" (also see bombing of open field in Panama invasion). The Serbs replied back "We don't care, and we will shoot down your plane now."
A lot of lower level air force guys are extreamly disgusted on how stupid the Kosovo campaign was. If we tried that crap against Russia or China, we would have had nearly 30-40% loss rate.
One more example of not letting the real warriors do their job and some civie moron take charge to make a political point. Also another reason never to let the Clintons or the Democrats back in office.

Posted by DarthVader 2006-04-06 12:34|| 2006-04-06 12:34|| Front Page Top

#13 well i agree with you that clintons bunch did make a hell of a meal outa it and it shoulda been fought very diferantly. But to dismiss the guy as being a liar isn't really fair on him. Its an official fact he was in chrage of the unit and they did some very clever tricks with it to bring down the 117. The guy isn't the enemy anymore - he just has his side of the story to tell and a very interesting story it is too. Ok we definatly fcked up very big time on the flight paths thing ,using the same one over and over but you can't take what they did as all our own fault. Sure we made mistakes and those mistakes combined with a very compitant air defence unit cost us a f-117. Those guys in that missle unit were not dummys and had had done alot of prior research into knocking down any stealth jets that might attack that for them payed off when they did take one down. Mind you i'm not saying there amazing because to shoot one plane down does not give you a capability to do it, shoot 3 or 4 and yes you have that capabilty but one does not prove much at all. The radar they used was mobile to and was moved about every 3 hours i think he said, always hiding in heavily forested areas. the Serb airdefence unit that shot it down also didnt lose any of it vehicles or equipment during the conflict either which to me is somewhat bad on our part.

Posted by ShepUK 2006-04-06 13:35|| 2006-04-06 13:35|| Front Page Top

#14 ShepUK, strategypage did a whole article on it which provided additional data. Essentially what happened was this, the F117 flew the same ingress and egress route over to the target, REPEATEDLY, it then took off at time while it was being watched by observers who relayed the info back to the Serb battery commander who himself by now had crossed the equivalent of over 100,000 km of land back and forth just trying to avoid the bombings. When the stealth finally came over (this being in broad friggin daylight) they didn't bother to use the radar still, they used optical guidance to make final corrections to the target. Top it off range to target was 13km (in broad friggin daylight no less). Stupid schmucks at the ops planning deserve the blame for this one.

Full story can be found here

Posted by Valentine 2006-04-06 13:57|| 2006-04-06 13:57|| Front Page Top

#15 yeah agreed we made some big mistakes on route planning but Zoltan still did a good job, even at the end of article the last words were 'never underestimate your opponent' ,we did just that and Zoltans boys . I'm honestly not to sure about the being in broad daylight bit though. thats something i'm gonna look into but im sure you'll find that no 117 ops were ever flown in daytime back then and thats why the grey scheme has now been tested recently on the 117 so it can go daylight hunting. I don't wanna argue over this though lol, i just think our side fcked up and thier side wernt the dummies many of us thought they were at that time.

Posted by ShepUK 2006-04-06 14:40|| 2006-04-06 14:40|| Front Page Top

#16 IRAN's test are scaring their own people. So much that GOLD went over $800. Last time it did that was IRAN hostage time.

Posted by 3dc 2006-04-06 14:50|| 2006-04-06 14:50|| Front Page Top

#17 Oh I'll agree with the planning fark up wholeheartedly, but you'll also note the major rethink that has caused at virtually all levels of ops. The particular article we're addressing seems to be focused on the ballistic missiles Iran has been testing, Iran's been also making noises about how they could be used against both the USN and shipping in and around the Gulf. Thats a valid concern because they may decide that attacking civilians will force us to withdraw. Not necessarily true that we will.

Posted by Valentine 2006-04-06 14:50|| 2006-04-06 14:50|| Front Page Top

#18 Well I ain't rich, and I ain't socialist.
Why don't you let me know where you are and I'll come down and kick you in the balls and we'll call it even?

Posted by tu3031 2006-04-06 15:02|| 2006-04-06 15:02|| Front Page Top

#19 Hitler and Stalin didn't listen to even one point of view, my dear Chomsky. They spoke only, and left it to others to do the listening. Please do learn your history before venturing to pontificate upon it, lest you continue to demonstrate that you aren't even so much as a pretty face. The Chomskys are not an attractive family, as we all know, although one of them was at least clever enough to fool the masses of pseudointellectuals into believing him clever.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-04-06 15:34|| 2006-04-06 15:34|| Front Page Top

#20 Off topic, a bit, but interesting aftermath between muzzies and the Serbs here, then scroll down to see a list, with photos of what happened in Serbia under UN
peacekeepers"--pretty sick, and not unlike the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan, except more pervasive. Don't think we ever should have been there, but Bill had to cover up his bjs with Monica.

Posted by ex-lib 2006-04-06 16:20|| 2006-04-06 16:20|| Front Page Top

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