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2007-04-02 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
USAF Probes Iranian Air Defense Response?
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Posted by Glenmore 2007-04-02 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Wow. The mods are fast this evening.
Posted by Mike N. 2007-04-02 00:21||   2007-04-02 00:21|| Front Page Top

#2 If we did probe their defenses, their defenses didn't defend. Most anyone with a brain wouldn't admit to not knowing foreign jets were in their airspace until "the locals reported a contrail", but we are talking about the Insanians.
Posted by Mike N. 2007-04-02 00:29||   2007-04-02 00:29|| Front Page Top

#3 I suppose they could always try apprehending them too. But I wouldn't advice it....
Posted by CrazyFool 2007-04-02 00:33||   2007-04-02 00:33|| Front Page Top

#4 Obviously it was UFOs
Posted by Captain America 2007-04-02 00:46||   2007-04-02 00:46|| Front Page Top

#5 Clean up on isle 4.
Posted by Mike N. 2007-04-02 00:46||   2007-04-02 00:46|| Front Page Top

#6 Butter on that popcorn?
Posted by andrewNY 2007-04-02 00:54||   2007-04-02 00:54|| Front Page Top

#7 Are the Iranians probing RB's defenses?
Posted by Flolumble Elmuling1667 2007-04-02 01:36||   2007-04-02 01:36|| Front Page Top

#8 Are the Iranians probing RB's defenses?

not very hard to do we are an open blog. No registration no extra security.

On topic: It's hard to tell if these reports are started by fact or rumor. I guess we'll know if the flag goes up!
Posted by anonymous 2007-04-02 01:44||   2007-04-02 01:44|| Front Page Top

#9 If there were two planes in formation, they might be doing something other than probing air defenses. We would probably already have a pretty good idea of the locations of Iranian air defense RADAR units.
Posted by crosspatch 2007-04-02 02:29||   2007-04-02 02:29|| Front Page Top

#10 Hare's a clue:

You don't need to overfly to probe defenses.

1) If the enemy is doing their job, they will be painting you well before you get to a border.

2) damn near everything uses side looking recvr and so on - its something we inherited in design from the cold war to look deep over the iron curtain.

3) SIGINT basics. Side lobes of those search, altitude and tracking radars are better for interception than the main beam in some respects. Ask a signals guy about those things - an harmonics, pulse trains, jitter, etc.

So no Virginia, Santa Claus doesn't need to overfly you to probe the defenses. That's what Santa has satellites and for.

If there were US jets violating Iranian airspace, they were doing something other than probing.
Posted by OldSpook 2007-04-02 03:44||   2007-04-02 03:44|| Front Page Top

#11 (hit enter too soon)

Leaving contrails is pretty blatant. Thats what flight profile planning, etc prevent. This isn't United Airlines, the military does plan around those sorts of conditions so as to not give away the AC's position.

And since those left a contrail and didn't do anything its unlikely they were US jets (if they existed at all).
Posted by OldSpook 2007-04-02 03:47||   2007-04-02 03:47|| Front Page Top

#12 I am going with highly unlikely , this seems to me me like truthers. If an American plane was detected one of their sites would have been on fire
Posted by Flolumble Elmuling1667 2007-04-02 03:55||   2007-04-02 03:55|| Front Page Top

#13 The planes were in Iranian airspace, just like the British sailors and Marines were in Iranian waters.

But why is Iran mentioning it, unless they want to rachet up the stress on oil prices?

When does the 12th imam come out of his hole in the ground?
Posted by Bobby 2007-04-02 06:09||   2007-04-02 06:09|| Front Page Top

#14 The 12th imam does his prairie dog imitation on Good Friday. The little alarm bell in my head that starts ringing when something big is going to happen is getting louder and more insistent the closer we get to that date.
Posted by Jonathan">Jonathan  2007-04-02 06:47||   2007-04-02 06:47|| Front Page Top

#15 Isn't CAIR or somebody offering a reward for "Islamophobic hatemongers" or similar types? I have an idea.
Let's sell them this Mu-Phag moby and donate the money to the JPFO.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-04-02 06:51||   2007-04-02 06:51|| Front Page Top

#16 On topic. I sure hope it is true. Nothing bothers a bully more than seeing a parent with a big stick.
Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger  2007-04-02 08:04||   2007-04-02 08:04|| Front Page Top

#17 Our planes only leave contrails if we want them to, it's trivial to predict the altitude for that. So assuming it did happen, it was absolutely intentional. There are a lot of things we can detect with our satellites, but we can still gain a lot of useful information by drawing the Iranians into 'painting' our planes. IF it happened, it was definitely a probe of some sort. Or maybe it was just a 'Hey ya'll! we can violate your airspace at will and there ain't shit you can do about it'.
Posted by AllahHateMe 2007-04-02 08:32||   2007-04-02 08:32|| Front Page Top

#18 Hey Iran....

BOO!!!
Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader  2007-04-02 09:22||   2007-04-02 09:22|| Front Page Top

#19 I never finished the book, but the thing I remember from it was the US in the early 1950's (before Francis Gary Powers and the U-2) used to fly B-47's over the pole and into Soviet airspace just for sport - because we knew they couldn't stop us.

I found that disturbing at the time I read it, but I hope that's what's going on here!
Posted by Bobby 2007-04-02 10:14||   2007-04-02 10:14|| Front Page Top

#20 If I know my Iranian Defense tactics (taken from the Arabs) most of their Air Defense radars are in the off position. The have their Air Traffic control stuff up because they have to but the military stuff is cold. Why? Because “IF” the UK/U.S. want to send the Mullahs an message via “Air Mail”, the Air Defense Radars are a juicy target. Also even though they talk a big game they don’t even want to appear to be aggressive against the U.S. Air Assets in the Persian Gulf. Finally, I would be surprised and disappointed if the military weren’t testing the Air Defenses ALL THE TIME. Heck you never know when you might need a clear route to Tehran or Qom.
Posted by Cyber Sarge 2007-04-02 10:22||   2007-04-02 10:22|| Front Page Top

#21 One more thing: the US planes you need to be worried about are the ones you can't see.
Posted by Mike 2007-04-02 10:27||   2007-04-02 10:27|| Front Page Top

#22 Only one plane is required to cause someone to activate AD RADAR. You don't expose two aircraft together when doing that and give an enemy two targets to hit. They would be doing something else and any RADAR data collected from it would be just gravy.
Posted by crosspatch 2007-04-02 11:00||   2007-04-02 11:00|| Front Page Top

#23 If we were gonna probe you or violate you, you'd know it.
Respectfully,
U.S. Air Force
Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins  2007-04-02 13:50|| http://northshorejournal.org]">[http://northshorejournal.org]  2007-04-02 13:50|| Front Page Top

#24 So if that was indeed an act of war, Mr. Iran, go ahead, make my day.
Posted by USN, Ret. 2007-04-02 14:16||   2007-04-02 14:16|| Front Page Top

#25 If this was a probe of Iranian Air Defense measures, we could have done it with a drone. The Israelis perfected this in the Bekah Valley back in the 1980s. They would send in an aerial drone and get the Lebanese to light up all their AD radars. Using telemetry, the drone would transmit those frequencies and coordinates back to the IAF so that the incoming wave of fighter bombers could be pre-programmed to spoof or jam those known RF bands. The Lebanese could not rekey their radars quickly enough and source guided missiles did the rest.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-04-02 15:04||   2007-04-02 15:04|| Front Page Top

#26 Oh Lordy we are already hitting on the Perssians with the Dedley Chem-Trails.
Posted by Shipman">Shipman  2007-04-02 17:30||   2007-04-02 17:30|| Front Page Top

#27 Wake me when the USAF probes Iran's response to things going KER-BLAM!!
Posted by DMFD 2007-04-02 18:46||   2007-04-02 18:46|| Front Page Top

#28 The Electric P-3C's and the EC130-135's are likely sniffing and probing constantly.
Posted by anonymous">anonymous  2007-04-02 20:35||   2007-04-02 20:35|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Muhammad_is_a_Phag 2007-04-02 00:09||   2007-04-02 00:09|| Front Page Top

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