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2005-03-19 Europe

Russia's new defense machine, the Terminator, marks new generation of Russian weaponry

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Posted by phil_b 2005-03-19 3:53:08 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Russian military specialists were originally going to solve the tank support problem with the help of self-propelled antiaircraft systems known as Shilka. Four 23-millimeter guns
I've always thought that sucker with a little armour would be a terrific street fighter. Similar US AA vehicles in Korea did good work in the anti-infantry role.

Posted by Jimmy Hoffa 2005-03-19 8:03:08 AM|| 2005-03-19 8:03:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Ummm, right. The Bradley that is the US Army's standard armored personnel carrier, which continues to be updated with things like FBCB2. THAT 'not very successful' machine. Got it.

Agreed. After having worked with M1A1s and M1A2s, I was really impressed with the Bradleys. The 25mm chain gun packs a punch, which is why I was really disappointed the new Strykers for the Cav guys only got a fifty cal.

Posted by nada 2005-03-19 9:42:44 AM|| 2005-03-19 9:42:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 nada, it comes down to this: Do you want your Strykers disembarking a C-130 shooting or not?

(That is to say, the Marine Corps' LAV III - originally the Canadian military Coyote Reconnaissance Vehicle - has a 25mm autocannon, possibly the Bradley's, but it's too tall to enter/exit a C-130's rear doorway, and the M2 was the only solution that gave "super" punch - .50 BMG is already nasty enough as is - and allowed the Stryker to drive off a C-130 right into combat, and come out shooting too.)

Posted by Edward Yee 2005-03-19 11:12:44 AM|| 2005-03-19 11:12:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Except, Ed, I've heard the Stryker isn't that C-130-capable (it only fits if you start removing stuff), and that the LAV-25 (which is used by the Marine Corps) is.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-03-19 2:52:21 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2005-03-19 2:52:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 nada >>> I was on the M2 and M2A1 (in PGWI) The Bradley is a great machine and the Bushmaster 25 mike mike is one of the best weapon systems I've ever seen. I too was disappointed with the .50 cal on the Stryker as well.

Posted by 98zulu 2005-03-19 6:03:03 PM|| 2005-03-19 6:03:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 B-b-b-but. I can remember "60 minutes" in the early 80s(?) saying that the Bradley was a costly fiasco. CBS wouldn't lie or make an error, would they?

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