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2009-03-04 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Russian scholar says US will collapse -- next year
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Posted by tu3031 2009-03-04 10:26|| || Front Page|| [2 views ]  Top

#1 One instructor asked Panarin whether his predictions more accurately describe Russia, which is undergoing its worst economic crisis in a decade as well as a demographic collapse that has led some scholars to predict the country's demise.

Which is why I find it so funny that the now-mainstream of the french wingnuts grasp so desperately at the idea of the russians and the slavs being the new Hope and Change for Europe and the whites, against the Empire and assorted catchphrases that wouldn't stand out in a leftist speech (like the one I can't stand, the "hyperclass" to describe the shadpwy globalist fatcats)...
I agree the West is in a pretty bad shape (a pretty decent part of it due to the efforts of... the russians, or at least, their soviet predecessors), but I don't see exactly how you can look at putin's russia and see it as a model and a beacon, on every level, unless you only see the one you imagine.
Posted by anonymous5089 2009-03-04 11:32||   2009-03-04 11:32|| Front Page Top

#2 And his predictions fit into the anti-American story line of the Kremlin leadership.

And, according to more lucid french wingnuts pundits (who frequently happen to be long time free-market advocates and/or anti-communists, as opposed to the crypto socialist and anti-capitalist overall feel of what's left of the french "right"), this goes along with an effort at rehabilitating stalin, whitewashing his crimes (remember the russian historian who not so long ago claimed that millions of americans had died of hunger during the Great Depression, and that those deaths were unacknowledged by the official history? Dude, that cancel the Holodmor!), blaming russia's woes on being perpetually under siege by hostile foreign forces (stalin was only defending the Motherland, really), and a nasty "messianical" worldview with orthodxy again used as a State vehicle, pure russia against the corrupted West, IE, the third Jerusalem.
Posted by anonymous5089 2009-03-04 11:38||   2009-03-04 11:38|| Front Page Top

#3 Hey, Joe! Did ya hear that? You're being "rehabilitated"!
Posted by The Ghost of Walter Duranty 2009-03-04 11:40||   2009-03-04 11:40|| Front Page Top

#4 Keep dreaming, sugar.
Posted by DarthVader 2009-03-04 11:43||   2009-03-04 11:43|| Front Page Top

#5 There might be some truth to this, given the way the Congress and President are spending so far. I'm beginning to wish that we had all voted for Kerry in 2004. A bad as it would have been, it might have avoided this.
Posted by Darrell 2009-03-04 12:19||   2009-03-04 12:19|| Front Page Top

#6 he predicted Russia and China would emerge from the economic turmoil stronger and said the two nations should work together, even to create a new currency to replace the U.S. dollar.

Did he mean to say that, unlike the U.S. dollar, neither the ruble nor the yuan (if I recall the names of foreign currencies correctly) are strong enough to stand alone?
Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife  2009-03-04 13:29||   2009-03-04 13:29|| Front Page Top

#7 Politically the US is unlikely to divide. That's wishful thinking from an expert in an ethnically divided nation who doesn't understand America. We might hit a depression but we're not gonna divide.
Posted by rjschwarz 2009-03-04 13:56||   2009-03-04 13:56|| Front Page Top

#8 The Man Who Warned Congress

On 25 February Andrei Illarionov testified before the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled “From Competition to Collaboration: Strengthening the U.S.-Russia Relationship.” Illarionov is a Russian citizen presently employed by the Cato Institute. He began his testimony with a brief explanation: “For a number of years I worked at different posts in the Russian government and Administration of the Russian President.” According to Illarionov the Russian regime is a KGB regime, and the United States policy toward this regime is worse than appeasement. It is best characterized as retreat.
Posted by anonymous5089 2009-03-04 14:08||   2009-03-04 14:08|| Front Page Top

#9 and Alaska will revert to Russian control.

That doesn't even work as science-fiction. The only way the Russians are taking Alaska back is if they muster up the forces to invade and kick the hypothetical rump-forces out. They don't have the sealift capacity to mount a sustained amphibious operation against an armed shore, and you can be damned sure that one of his hypothetical rump-states would fight for Alaskan oil and gas.

In short, this is crap speculative history, the sort of wish-fulfillment rubbish which would have been tossed right back over the transom by any self-respecting SF editor.
Posted by Mitch H.">Mitch H.  2009-03-04 15:35|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]">[http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]  2009-03-04 15:35|| Front Page Top

#10 "In short, this is crap speculative history, the sort of wish-fulfillment rubbish which would have been tossed right back over the transom by any self-respecting SF editor."

But it makes the America-hating Leftists feel so good, Mitch.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2009-03-04 16:42|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]  2009-03-04 16:42|| Front Page Top

#11 "He also noted he had been predicting the demise of the world's wealthiest country for more than a decade now."

Yeah, I remember when he was saying this stuff last year....
Posted by Scooter McGruder 2009-03-04 17:12||   2009-03-04 17:12|| Front Page Top

#12 See also RENSE > PAT BUCHANAN > WE NOW HAVE SOCIALISM.

The Hell you say!

MSM-NET > Mexico, Venezuela = FARC, Russia, Pakistan = SOMALIA?, + North Korea, etc. AND ITS NOT EVEN 2010 YET.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2009-03-04 17:48||   2009-03-04 17:48|| Front Page Top

#13 Did Panarin predict the collapse of the USSR in 1989? Nope, didn't think so...
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2009-03-04 18:44||   2009-03-04 18:44|| Front Page Top

#14 A collapsed America will still look like paradise compared to Russia on a good day.
Posted by Cynicism Inc 2009-03-04 19:06||   2009-03-04 19:06|| Front Page Top

#15 they couldn't even win in chechnya
Posted by rabid whitetail 2009-03-04 19:29||   2009-03-04 19:29|| Front Page Top

#16 He could be on to something. I'll bet Obama's Five Year Tractor Production Plan sounded a little too familiar.
Posted by DMFD 2009-03-04 20:01||   2009-03-04 20:01|| Front Page Top

#17 more lucid french wingnuts pundits (who frequently happen to be long time free-market advocates and/or anti-communists, as opposed to the crypto socialist and anti-capitalist

Jeeebus K... do you like use a Yarn and Squares Database? Sound's awfully complex.
Posted by Shipman 2009-03-04 20:01||   2009-03-04 20:01|| Front Page Top

#18 #16 He could be on to something. I'll bet Obama's Five Year Tractor Production Plan sounded a little too familiar.
Posted by DMFD 2009-03-04 20:01

Hot cocoa thru the nose and into the keyboard on THAT one!
Posted by Besoeker  2009-03-04 20:06||   2009-03-04 20:06|| Front Page Top

#19 OTOH, TOPIX > CHINA'S DEFENCE WHITE PAPER: MAJOR THREAT TO EMERGING CHINA [+ Asia] IS INTERNAL SEPARATISM, NOT INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2009-03-04 20:49||   2009-03-04 20:49|| Front Page Top

#20 "MAJOR THREAT TO EMERGING CHINA [+ Asia] IS INTERNAL SEPARATISM, NOT INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION."

Gee, ya' think?
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2009-03-04 20:51|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]  2009-03-04 20:51|| Front Page Top

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