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2007-03-28 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

Debka: Moscow Says US Attacks Iran Apr 06 - 0040 hrs

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Posted by Anonymoose 2007-03-28 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 So I guess we can be pretty sure it isn't going to happen at that time, if at all.

Posted by crosspatch 2007-03-28 00:20|| 2007-03-28 00:20|| Front Page Top

#2 Ah, Debka, with its wild predictions. I think they just do this to keep everyone off-balance. They have other material that is spot-on analysis.

Posted by gromky 2007-03-28 00:29|| 2007-03-28 00:29|| Front Page Top

#3 Isn't the 12^th imam supposed to emerge from occultation right about then? What a treat it would be for Iran to get a hefty dose of whup-ass right at the time they're supposed to receive divine assistance. I hope against hope that our military planners truly comprehend the sort of double whammy this would be in terms of a propaganda grand slam. As in: "Your God has abandoned y'all, ya buncha worthless fuckwits!"

What better way to discredit Ahmadinejad than by simultaneously blitzing their much vaunted nuclear program and kicking Iran's military ass without the slightest intervention by their precious 12^th imam? Trust me, I already know there'll be a huge number of Iranian clerics who will declare this to be a sign that their people were not Islamic enough. But you still gotta love the idea.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-03-28 00:41|| 2007-03-28 00:41|| Front Page Top

#4 Many Netters swear by DEBKA so it may be premature to automant discount 'em - it is clear that Dubya wants Moud to know Radical Iran "as is" will not be allowed to have nuclear weapons, nor to continue to support International Terror, nor to control/dominate the ME. As said times before, [IMO] Dubya is in "Fortress ME" mode - THE BALL IS IN MOUD'S CORNER AS TO HOW IRAN = RADICAL ISLAM WILL RESPOND TO US-LED/INDUCED LOCAL-REGIONAL-GLOBAL ISOLATIONISM + MILPOL CONTAINMENT. Osama & Co. have made it clear that any means will be considered = employed to cause or induce the PER SE defeat and destruction of the USA-West - WHILE WAR IS HORRIBLE, NO AMER SHOULD BE AFRAID OF WAR, CONVENTIONAL OR NUCLEAR, WHEN IT IS REALIZED ENEMIES INTEND TO DESTROY AMERICA ANYWAY NO MATTER WHAT IS DONE VIA APPEASEMENT = COMPROMISE. There are things in life and human behavior that only war = strength = force can resolve. * CHURCHILL [paraphrased] > "Nations or Societies that choose to die fighting will one day rise again, Nations or Societies that do not will not rise again and may be doomed to permanent oblivion andor irrelevance", or words to these effects. AS ALSO SAID TIMES BEFORE, ASSUMING THAT NEW 9-11's/AMER HISROSHIMAS OCCUR ANYWAY, WHICH DO ORDINARY AMERICANS PREFER - THAT AMER RESPOND = RETALIATE FROM A POSITION OF GEOPOL-NATIONAL STRENGTH, or vis-a-vis WEAKNESS; THAT AMER MILFORS BE "OVER THERE" NEAR, ON, OR INSIDE ENEMY BORDERS; VERSUS ENEMY MILFORS BEING "OVER HERE", i.e. BEING NEAR, ON, OR INSIDE OUR OWN + IN OUR CITIES AND BACKYARDS! In the Land of America, not Amerika - the USA, not USSA - why is it that the concepts of OWG + National-Global Socialism, etc. CANNOT BE DISCUSSED OPENLY AMONGST MAINSTREAM AMER ON ITS OWN MERITS, WHY MUST DEMOLEFTIES DISGUISE THEIR AGENDAS WHEN REPUBS ARE IN POWER, WHY MUST AMERICA FIRST BE DEGRADED + HUMILIATED, IFF NOT DESTROYED, IN ORDER TO DISCUSS THESE CONCEPTS!? DOES GOVT SERVE THE PEOPLE, OR PEOPLE SERVE THE GOVT??? Remember, WOT > LEFT > may be about OWG + Communism-Socialism, among other reasons/
premises, BUT THE LEFT HAS NOT SAID SOCIALIST AMERIKA WILL BE THE ONE TO CONTROL OR DOMINATE SAID FUTURE OWG AND FUTURE SWO-CWO. LEFT > USA must LOSE, NOT WIN, the WOT, unilaterally/
voluntarily = forcibly.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-03-28 01:11|| 2007-03-28 01:11|| Front Page Top

#5 maybe they are just seeing where the leaks are.

Posted by Fester Jomons8988 2007-03-28 01:50|| 2007-03-28 01:50|| Front Page Top

#6
Intelligence sources in Moscow claim to have information that a US strike against Iranian nuclear installations has been scheduled for April 6 at 0040 hours.

This is an outrage! How dare these upstart Russkies sell us out before our own media have a chance to do it!

RIA Novosti had this story a couple of days ago. Operation Bite: April 6 Attack by US Forces Against Iran Planned, Russian Military Sources Warn (Link is to an English translation.)
They put zero-hour at 0400, which would be more sensible. Btw, the code-names of US operations have had two words since about the mid-80s, Desert Storm for the '91 offensive, Iraqi Freedom in 2003, Hippie Roast for the upcoming attack on Berkeley.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-03-28 01:50|| 2007-03-28 01:50|| Front Page Top

#7 Oops, shouldn't have included that one. Opsec, you know. Hey it was just a joke.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
Just
A
joke.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-03-28 01:51|| 2007-03-28 01:51|| Front Page Top

#8 WHILE WAR IS HORRIBLE, NO AMER SHOULD BE AFRAID OF WAR, CONVENTIONAL OR NUCLEAR, WHEN IT IS REALIZED ENEMIES INTEND TO DESTROY AMERICA ANYWAY NO MATTER WHAT IS DONE VIA APPEASEMENT = COMPROMISE. There are things in life and human behavior that only war = strength = force can resolve. * CHURCHILL [paraphrased]

Absolutely spot on, Joe. I wish your content was always this ~~lucid~~ clear.

why is it that the concepts of OWG + National-Global Socialism, etc. CANNOT BE DISCUSSED OPENLY AMONGST MAINSTREAM AMER ON ITS OWN MERITS, WHY MUST DEMOLEFTIES DISGUISE THEIR AGENDAS WHEN REPUBS ARE IN POWER, WHY MUST AMERICA FIRST BE DEGRADED + HUMILIATED, IFF NOT DESTROYED, IN ORDER TO DISCUSS THESE CONCEPTS!?

Some right fine questions, Joe. The left knows damn well that much of what they seek absolutely will not play in Peoria. Fortunately, sites like Rantburg (PBUF) [Peace Be Upon Fred] and others are busily ripping the mask from the left's agenda. Liberal self-loathing and anti-Americanism is quite simply writ in script far too large for anyone more sane than them to ignore.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-03-28 02:09|| 2007-03-28 02:09|| Front Page Top

#9 Maybe the correct name for the operation is: (Mahmoud) "Bite This"

Posted by Lone Ranger 2007-03-28 02:09|| 2007-03-28 02:09|| Front Page Top

#10 I'd rather have an Operation in two words than Simmons' three.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2007-03-28 02:47|| 2007-03-28 02:47|| Front Page Top

#11 I'd rather have an Operation, period. Whether 2 words or 3, don't care.

However, at the place (heh) and time of our choosing.

As for Debka's predictions, it never failed me to have 2 buckets of salt handy. In 2003, they were off by some 14+ days as the start of Iraq war was concerned, while I was 3 days off (a shaker worth of salt ;-) ).

Posted by twobyfour 2007-03-28 03:03|| 2007-03-28 03:03|| Front Page Top

#12 This 6 april date has been circulated in french rightwing online circles too (especially those who do have more than a fondness for russia and poot-poot, and a dislike of the americano-zionist/US-rael Empire).

Btw, on a light side, note that "operation bite" in english mean "opération bite", or operation c*ck or d*ck, in french.

Clearly, this is meant to Humiliate the Ummah by conveying the idea the MM are going to be heavily butt-raped, prison-style. When will the Humiliation cease, I ask you?!

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-03-28 04:24|| 2007-03-28 04:24|| Front Page Top

#13 Oh, okay, so it translates loosely to "Up yours". Would be a good name as any. ;-)

Still, seems to me that what circulates in Froggistan has the same source (likely Russians leaked, but the ultimate origin may be obscured) as similar ~~dis~~info appearing in other periodicals/sites.

In my view, the earliest any action would be taken is 3 weeks from now. But likely it will take more time.

OTOH, supplying "interim" dates may be a good way to go. In fact, I would release "sure" dates every 10-14 days, for a period of 2-3 months. Can't imagine anything more demoralizing to the enemy readiness.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-03-28 05:21|| 2007-03-28 05:21|| Front Page Top

#14 likely Russians leaked

Yup, like I wrote, this comes from russia-centered rightwingers.

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-03-28 05:23|| 2007-03-28 05:23|| Front Page Top

#15 LOL AC.

Posted by Shipman 2007-03-28 07:06|| 2007-03-28 07:06|| Front Page Top

#16 HAHA! Fooled You! We leaked the wrong date to the Russians. The actual attack is on April 5th.
NAh-nah-nah!

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-03-28 08:23|| 2007-03-28 08:23|| Front Page Top

#17 Now is the time for W to declare himself the 12th Imam, demand all Shiites convert to Christianity and let loose the dogs.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-03-28 08:55|| 2007-03-28 08:55|| Front Page Top

#18 They've had it coming to them since 1979. April 6th isn't soon enough. 28 years is not a good response time for a behavior modification program.

Posted by Darrell 2007-03-28 08:59|| 2007-03-28 08:59|| Front Page Top

#19 If I were me, I'd do it on April 1st just for the humor value. And the name would be Operation Bite Me. All those weird names like Pave Low simply lack marketing pizzaz.

Posted by SteveS 2007-03-28 09:05|| 2007-03-28 09:05|| Front Page Top

#20 I'm betting 0400 hrs on April 3rd -- right after the new moon. That would make it a Passover strike too -- seems appropriate.

Posted by Darrell 2007-03-28 09:05|| 2007-03-28 09:05|| Front Page Top

#21 I think April 1st would be a lovely day. Not only is it April Fools Day in America, but it's my father's birthday. Destroying the Mullahs would be such a lovely birthday present for him -- he worked in Persia as translator for the British Army during the war, apparently.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-03-28 09:30|| 2007-03-28 09:30|| Front Page Top

#22 "All those weird names like Pave Low simply lack marketing pizzaz."

The US used "Pave" as a prefix for all sorts of systems, Paveway being the family of laser guided bombs, for example. "Have" was another system prefix, used chiefly (but not exclusively) on various countrmeasures and defense suppression devices.
My favorite was an IR countermeasure called "Have Charcoal." It worked by super-heating little ceramic bricks and ejecting them overboard as decoys.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-03-28 09:37|| 2007-03-28 09:37|| Front Page Top

#23 Operation We Got Yer Mahdi Right Here, Pal.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2007-03-28 09:46|| 2007-03-28 09:46|| Front Page Top

#24 Operation Alexander Indus

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-03-28 09:52|| 2007-03-28 09:52|| Front Page Top

#25 I thought it was scheduled for 3:30. Darn now we have to reset the nuke timers.

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2007-03-28 10:09|| 2007-03-28 10:09|| Front Page Top

#26 To me it sounds like we intentionally leaked fake attack timing through Moscow as a warning to the Iranian leadership that we aren't bluffing and that real action WILL take place if they don't back down. The military exercise is another such warning. It seems likely there will be a few more such signals, both public and secret, before the actual event, giving the Iranians jangly nerves and showing them that we control the flow of the events, not them. So far, they've been sending hardline signals back (e.g. the Brit sailors) but there is the possibility they might crack because even people as irrational as some of the hardline mullahs can see the complete disparity of forces and also be mindful of Saddam's fate in the end.

Posted by odysseus 2007-03-28 11:20|| 2007-03-28 11:20|| Front Page Top

#27 Operation More Cowbell.

Posted by Anon4021 2007-03-28 11:22|| 2007-03-28 11:22|| Front Page Top

#28 I'd like to see Joe on The View debating Rosie.

But, hey, if the Mad Mullahs think we're gonna do it on April 6 we should do it sooner so they don't have time to evacuate Qom.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-03-28 11:35|| 2007-03-28 11:35|| Front Page Top

#29 trailing wife----ya beat me to it on the April 1st date. But that is because I am 4 time zones behind ye.

I read Joe M's massive missive last night before bed. It was like reading a telegram, but it made sense, in its wordy way. Good post, Joe!

Posted by Alaska Paul at Homer, Alaska">Alaska Paul at Homer, Alaska 2007-03-28 12:16|| 2007-03-28 12:16|| Front Page Top

#30 Operation "Thor's Hammer", launched at 0400, April 1, 2007, with three US Carrier Air groups, everything we have in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus whatever we can fly up from Diego Garcia (plus whatever sub- and ship-launched Tomahawks are available). Hit the nuke sites with nukes, everything else with conventional weapons and napalm, Burn Khark Island to the ground, destroy the refineries in Abadan, totally level Bandar Abbas, and hit every airfield, naval shipyard, army barracks, and any other militarily significant target. Use napalm on the anti-ship missile platforms - it'll cook 'em off even if it doesn't destroy them. Have US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan on high alert for the attacks. Step back and tell Iran "This is the first step. We'll ratchet up the attacks until you surrender." Then follow through. I don't remember who said it, but it fits this situation to a "T": "It's always easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission". Bush should make the attack, then go on national television and say what he's done, and why, going all the way back to 1979. The American people will support him, and the Donkeys will have to seethe in private.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2007-03-28 12:50|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2007-03-28 12:50|| Front Page Top

#31 I feel we've missed the obvious choice ...

Operation Flying Pig

Posted by doc 2007-03-28 12:55|| 2007-03-28 12:55|| Front Page Top

#32 I've always felt Iran has a trick or two up their sleeve if we attack. They have been BEGGING us to attack for a couple of years. Any thoughts on what they might try to do?

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2007-03-28 13:52|| 2007-03-28 13:52|| Front Page Top

#33 Hezb'allah are known to be in the US, slipped tracking and went underground. I imagine they could pull off a couple atrocities CONUS.

Posted by Wheating Angereper3174 2007-03-28 14:46|| 2007-03-28 14:46|| Front Page Top

#34 The dreaded 12th Immam will pop out of his well and sweep across the entire world, laying waste to infidels and their cursed infrastructure, but not harming any virgins.

Posted by Bobby 2007-03-28 14:48|| 2007-03-28 14:48|| Front Page Top

#35 They learned it from what they have observed. They say they want to fight then back down once the US really climbs in the ring. Repeat over and over to wear the US down, exploit the military budget/resources and drive up gas prices to piss evryone off. Then they watch the US news to see the libs dare GB to get involved in another fight. The Hostages will be released soon and they dont even get a wrist slap.

Posted by johnniebartlett 2007-03-28 14:49|| 2007-03-28 14:49|| Front Page Top

#36 Intrinsicpilot, they don't believe we'll attack. Think about it, they fought Iraq for eight years in the 80's and it ended in a stalemate. Then remember it took our forces a few weeks to totally conquer Iraq, so there are no tricks. They are piss ants. It's just the legacy of leaders like Jimmuh Carter and Bill Clinton and the current braying of the kennedy/kerry/pelosi/murtha types that has convinced the Mad Mullahs that we are pussies. That is the danger of the donk approach and it is what makes leaders like carter, clinton and chirac so dangerous. Piss ants like the Iranians think they can get away with all kinds of crap. It has to stop somewhere and diplomacy has failed. Bush needs to take action while he still can and let kennedy/kerry/pelosi/murtha bray.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-03-28 14:53|| 2007-03-28 14:53|| Front Page Top

#37 Hezb'allah are known to be in the US, slipped tracking and went underground. I imagine they could pull off a couple atrocities CONUS.

And do you think for one moment that the Iranians could possibly refrain from boastfully taking credit for those same atrocities? Their hatred of America and admission of guilt would just as soon spell their doom. Were Iran to perpetrate a series of 9-11 magnitude atrocities on US soil, I would have no problem advocating that their entire nation be exterminated with nuclear fire. I doubt many other Americans would feel any different. Iran's morbid fascination with brinksmanship will be their death knell.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-03-28 14:58|| 2007-03-28 14:58|| Front Page Top

#38 Joe... That was awesome

Posted by TomAnon 2007-03-28 21:09|| 2007-03-28 21:09|| Front Page Top

#39 It hasn't been clarified whether the "0040" hours is actually 12:40 am or 4am, whatever; it is probable an 'intentional leak' or messaged on an 'code broken' secured transmission for propaganda points. So it has to be seen if the US will 'alter' it's spring 'surprise offensive'!!

Posted by smn 2007-03-28 21:29|| 2007-03-28 21:29|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Saveababykillademocrat 2007-03-28 23:13|| 2007-03-28 23:13|| Front Page Top