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Video: Hegseth blasts Atlantic article: 'Nobody was texting war plans'

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Posted by Skidmark 2025-03-25 00:11|| || Front Page|| [11144 views ] Top
File under: Houthis

#1 Why Was the Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg Added to a Signal Chat About Bombing Yemen?

Posted by Skidmark 2025-03-25 01:30|| 2025-03-25 01:30|| Front Page Top

#2 Trump's fury at 'f****ing idiot' official who is 'not going to survive' leaked messages scandal that exposed defense secrets

Posted by Skidmark 2025-03-25 07:36|| 2025-03-25 07:36|| Front Page Top

#3 You don't transmit 'war plans'. You courier them. Any transmission of operational plans go only by secure comm lines.
On the other hand, using other means and fake plans is a way to identify people who do leak.

Posted by Procopius2k 2025-03-25 07:40|| 2025-03-25 07:40|| Front Page Top

#4 Three rules potentially broken by Trump team's Signal group chat leak

Maybe not 'war plans' but certainly a representative strategic gestalt.

Posted by Skidmark 2025-03-25 08:46|| 2025-03-25 08:46|| Front Page Top

#5 A curious story. The simple and obvious explanation is that someone screwed the pooch. But given that we live in a media age where things are seldom what they seem, I can't help but wonder if there is more going on here. Perhaps a convincing way to deliver a message that otherwise would not be taken seriously.

Not advocating either way, just wondering if the hoofbeats we hear are horses or zebras.

Side Note: I'm so old I remember when The Atlantic was worth reading.

Posted by SteveS 2025-03-25 09:38|| 2025-03-25 09:38|| Front Page Top

#6 My hypothesis:

A couple of days ago the Israeli govt let the US know that Israel intends to seriously neutralize the Yemen threat. - speculation

Some Iran-Qatar-Russia aligned elements in the Trump 47 administration want to prevent this. - speculation

The Trump 47 administration tells Israel: Don't strike Houthis in Yemen, 'leave it to us' - fact

Strikes are planned that would be impressive fireworks but that also would me materially ineffective if the Houthis received a warning a couple of hours before the strikes. - speculation

Information is leaked a couple of hours before the strikes "by mistake." - leak = fact, intentional mistake = speculation

/<tinfoilhat>

This is tinfoil hat stuff indeed.

What makes me suspicious is the prior public message to Israel not to engage Yemen who is constantly committing acts of war against Israel and the subsequent mistake/leak.

Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-03-25 11:44|| 2025-03-25 11:44|| Front Page Top

#7 6^
I had a similar hypothesis. My theory was that the US was seeing if they could use Jeffrey Goldberg set up to someday feed false information to the Houthis

Posted by Lord Garth 2025-03-25 11:50|| 2025-03-25 11:50|| Front Page Top

#8 It’s curious that despite American direction to Israel to step back, it has nonetheless been Israel who shot down the missiles headed her way thereafter. Except the one that hit Saudi Arabia, anyway.

Posted by trailing wife 2025-03-25 11:57|| 2025-03-25 11:57|| Front Page Top

#9 Dem senator calls for Waltz, Hegseth to resign as Gabbard says no classified material shared in Signal

Posted by Skidmark 2025-03-25 11:57|| 2025-03-25 11:57|| Front Page Top

#10 Unembeddle tweet of a Fox News interview

Rapid Response 47
@RapidResponse47
Senate Intel Committee Chair
@SenTomCotton
: "The Biden Administration authorized Signal as a means of communication that was consistent with presidential recordkeeping requirements for its administration — and that continued into the Trump Administration."

Posted by trailing wife 2025-03-25 16:09|| 2025-03-25 16:09|| Front Page Top

#11 Trump reveals who was behind Signal text chain leak

[secret lefty staffer]

Posted by Skidmark 2025-03-25 16:09|| 2025-03-25 16:09|| Front Page Top

#12 Unembedable. PIMF!

Posted by trailing wife 2025-03-25 16:10|| 2025-03-25 16:10|| Front Page Top

#13 Another possibility:
In a stunning show of brilliant military strategy, President Trump has leaked his top-secret Yemen airstrike plans to The Atlantic so that no one will ever see them or read them.
-- Babylon Bee

Posted by SteveS 2025-03-25 16:23|| 2025-03-25 16:23|| Front Page Top

#14 Another tweet about this morning’s Senate testimony. Video can be watched at the link:

Media Lies
@MediasLies
CIA Director John Ratcliffe confirmed that according to CIA record management, Signal is approved for “work use.”

Let’s set this record straight.

Here is the truth about Signal:

-In 2016, the DNC instructed all staffers to exclusively use Signal to talk crap about Trump because it was encrypted.

-In 2017, Signal was approved by the sergeant at arms of the U.S. Senate and staff.

-The use of common amongst the security community.

-Cybersecurity firm iVerify’s Rocky Cole has also stated the app has "stellar reputation and is widely used and trusted in the security community”.

-Even Edward Snowden has said that he uses Signal due to its strong encryption services.

Elmerert Hupens2660, that’s a very pretty piece of thinking. All sorts of things that hadn’t occurred to me.

In fact, this entire thread is full of thoughts that never occurred to me, so now I’m feeling a good deal more educated than I anticipated this morning. :-)

Posted by trailing wife 2025-03-25 16:52|| 2025-03-25 16:52|| Front Page Top

#15 Mahmoud, I am following Jeffrey Goldberg from The Atlantic, and his thread says that The Americans are about to attack Yemen?

What did you just say?

I said the Yankee Dog Pig Americans are about to attack!

No, no, no, what is this you are following Jeffry Goldberg, I mean, what's that about?

Posted by swksvolFF 2025-03-25 17:05|| 2025-03-25 17:05|| Front Page Top

#16 From the Atlantic:

"According to the lengthy Hegseth text, the first detonations in Yemen would be felt two hours hence, at 1:45 p.m. eastern time. So I waited in my car in a supermarket parking lot. If this Signal chat was real, I reasoned, Houthi targets would soon be bombed. At about 1:55, I checked X and searched Yemen. Explosions were then being heard across Sanaa, the capital city."

And this was not classified info? What is?

Posted by European Conservative 2025-03-25 17:18|| 2025-03-25 17:18|| Front Page Top

#17 PJ Media’s Charlie Martin, who apparently has done intelligence analysis, introduces the term Canary Trap to describe this situation. It’s where a situation is set up to allow a leaker to reveal himself, in this case a private but not secret conversation. As it turns out, one of Mike Waltz’s staffers was the one who brought serial fake scandal trumpeter Mr. Goldberg into the conversation.

For European Conservative, Mr. Martin also makes the following points:

This wasn't a classified conversation.

In fact, it wasn't even sensitive, because they were talking about things that had already been said in public.

When they got to something that would be classified, they explicitly said they needed to take it to a higher level. So they knew what was and wasn't sensitive.

EC, President Trump had earlier very loudly announced that he was going after the Houthis because they announced they were going to resume firing missiles at Israel and attacking shipping in response to Israel resuming the war against Gaza in response to Hamas refusal to seriously negotiate surrendering.

Posted by trailing wife 2025-03-25 18:58|| 2025-03-25 18:58|| Front Page Top

#18 "So the person who supposedly added the journalist to the Signal group chat, Alex Wong, was an attorney for Covington & Burling, one of the law firms that Trump included in his EOs about government contracts and security clearances."

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https://x.com/listen_2learn/status/1904551173488586788/photo/1

Posted by NoMoreBS 2025-03-25 19:13|| 2025-03-25 19:13|| Front Page Top

#19 Oops!

Posted by Frank G 2025-03-25 19:32|| 2025-03-25 19:32|| Front Page Top

#20 Jewish Insider bio does not mention Covington & Burling.

Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2025-03-25 19:54|| 2025-03-25 19:54|| Front Page Top

#21 Wiki scrubbed his private practice experience with a DC based law firm.

Wiki:
Wong worked in private practice with a Washington, D.C.-based international law firm. He provided Fortune 100 clients strategic and legal advice on international trade matters, governmental investigations, and regulatory compliance.[3]

Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2025-03-25 20:03|| 2025-03-25 20:03|| Front Page Top

#22 an attorney for Covington & Burling

A search of the archives for the first quarter of this year for Burling yields four articles, three connected to Special Council Jack Smith, whom the firm aided pro bono (see here). He also apparently has a public service resumé, per the attached tweet at NoMoreBS’s link:

2007-2009: Bush State Department "advisor" for Iraq
2012: Foreign policy director for the Romney-Ryan campaign
2015-2017: Foreign policy advisor for Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR)
2017-2021: Deputy Assistant Secretary in the Trump/Pompeo State Department
2021-2024: Hudson Institute

It’s not clear to me how he managed two apparently disconnected careers

Posted by trailing wifesssoo 2025-03-25 20:04|| 2025-03-25 20:04|| Front Page Top

#23 The above is me.

Posted by trailing wife 2025-03-25 20:06|| 2025-03-25 20:06|| Front Page Top

#24 Burn him. As an example Pour Encourager... you know

No further license, career, ...

Posted by Frank G 2025-03-25 20:29|| 2025-03-25 20:29|| Front Page Top

#25 Speaking of the Hootis and war plans:
Seven B2 bombers have been moved to Diego Garcia.
Cross reference with US saying to Israel, "Just sit back. We got this".
File under War & Rumors of War

Posted by SteveS 2025-03-25 22:53|| 2025-03-25 22:53|| Front Page Top

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