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2004-03-19 Europe

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Posted by Nick 2004-03-19 6:50:19 AM|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The Kosovars are supposed to be the 'good non extremist Muslims'. The article says that the drowning death of two muslim kids was the proximate cause of the violence. I can guess the kind of 'blame the Christian' stuff was heard on the muslim street.

Posted by mhw 2004-3-19 9:35:57 AM|| 2004-3-19 9:35:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Tacitus explains,from personal experience,what is going on in Kosovo.Hint:it's an ethnic,not a religious conflict.

Posted by El Id 2004-3-19 9:59:33 AM|| 2004-3-19 9:59:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 and Kerry wants to hand over Iraq to these cowards?? UN: "Ok, we are in charge." Bad Guy: "Boo" UN: "Run away!"

Posted by LC Matthew 2004-3-19 10:05:55 AM|| 2004-3-19 10:05:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 UN staff have been pulled out of the flashpoint town of Mitrovica in Kosovo where two days of inter-ethnic clashes have left 31 dead.

This joke just isn't funny anymore, not that it ever was to begin with.

Posted by B 2004-3-19 10:09:58 AM|| 2004-3-19 10:09:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 El Id, Tacitus doesn't convince me that it isn't a religious conflict.
The "Albanians" are Islamist Muslims and the Islamists are waging a political as well as a religious struggle--the goal is to not only establish Islam as the state religion, but to set up shari'a as the law of the land.
The "ethnic Albanians" would say "yes" to all of that--and Christians must be killed or subjugated as dhimmi and churches eradicated. Again, check.
After 5 years of peace and just days after the Spanish surrender to Al Queda, it's supposed to be coincidence that the Muslim-based Kosovo conflict kicks up again?

Posted by Jen 2004-3-19 10:27:11 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-3-19 10:27:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Some peacekeepers. Trouble starts, they run away.

Pathetic.

Posted by mojo 2004-3-19 10:28:37 AM|| 2004-3-19 10:28:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 "The "Albanians" are Islamist Muslims"

"..not only establish Islam as the state religion, but to set up shari'a as the law of the land. The "ethnic Albanians" would say "yes" to all of that--"

And your evidence for this, other than your belief that sheer repetition shall make your words reality?

I am surprised you didn't call El Id a pinko traitor or a communist, as you called me yesterday when I also said this isn't about Islamofascism, it's about nationalism.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-3-19 11:36:58 AM|| 2004-3-19 11:36:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Yes, Aris, I think you definitely rant the rant of Lenin and Marx.

Kosovo isn't about nationalism--they got a nation-state.
Killing people and burning down Orthodox churches doesn't and shouldn't get you a nation anyway.
This is about the world domination of Islam.
Believe it or not, at your peril.
Greece and Turkey are poised to fight it out at any time, too--is that about nations?

Posted by Jen 2004-3-19 11:47:13 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-3-19 11:47:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Jen [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]
Fool! England thru the Centuries supported asiatic turks whose part are Albanians. Those were English powerful weapon against Slavs, Greeks and the fundation of European civilization. Whites are degenerated completelly thru 1000 years of judeo-christianity.

Posted by Kunta Kinte 2004-3-19 11:56:42 AM|| [www.hotmail.com] 2004-3-19 11:56:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 "Kosovo isn't about nationalism--they got a nation-state."

LOL! There's a difference between chauvinism/nationalism and national independence, kiddo. Once again you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

"Greece and Turkey are poised to fight it out at any time, too--is that about nations?"

Most definitely it's about nations. Why else do you think that the Greeks have been friendly to the Kurds, though they are just as Muslim as the Turks?

Ofcourse the fact that all the orthodox churches in the region promote and encourage (and use) petty balkan nationalisms doesn't help matters. But the primary cause is nationalism.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-3-19 12:21:53 PM|| 2004-3-19 12:21:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 The Greeks encourage the Kurds because they're the enemies of the Turks--DUH.
I'm no "kiddo." which gives me no joy to say.
The "ethnic Albanians" are radicalized Muslims, if not Islamist killers--they say they're fighting for a "nation" in Kosovo, just like their Islamist "brothers" use the same claim in Chechnya, Kashmir and "Palestine."

Posted by Jen 2004-3-19 12:40:29 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-3-19 12:40:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Sidenote: I guess that according to Jen the Nazi invasion of Poland was all about Christian supremacy as shown by the fact that the Nazis persecuted and killed the Jews.

The rest of us think that it was a case of nationalistic imperialism, not religious one.

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Jen, you don't have a fucking clue about Balkan nationalism, and I'd appreciate it if you would stop pretending you do. Balkan nationalisms were often aggravated by religious differences, since (as I've said already) every church in the region has sought to tighten the nation-religion connection... but it has otherwise not influenced the nature of nationalistic imperialism (or their methods) one bit.

Albanians burn churches. And the Serbs burn mosques. Albanian imperialists want a Greater Albanian, Serb imperialists want a Greater Serbia.
Albanians killed a few dozens Serbs? Serbs killed a few hundred thousand Bosnians.

Exchange the name "Albania" and "Serbia" and there wouldn't be a shred of difference in ideologies between imperialists of the one from the imperialists of the other side.

I know that Albanians would have acted the same if they had been Christian and the Serbs had been Muslims. Why I know? Because they are *already* acting the same.

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That's a big difference with Al Qaeda -- in the case of Al Qaeda the ideology and the imperialism are religious.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-3-19 12:48:33 PM|| 2004-3-19 12:48:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 The "ethnic Albanians" are radicalized Muslims, if not Islamist killers--they say they're fighting for a "nation" in Kosovo, just like their Islamist "brothers" use the same claim in Chechnya, Kashmir and "Palestine."

No shit. And the Serb Bosnians were fighting for a nation in Bosnia. Ooh, and the Northern Irish were fighting for freedom from the Brits.

And you still have no point, and you are still pretty damn ignorant.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-3-19 12:51:12 PM|| 2004-3-19 12:51:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Boris aka Kunta Kinte: Fool! England thru the Centuries supported asiatic turks whose part are Albanians. Those were English powerful weapon against Slavs, Greeks and the fundation of European civilization. Whites are degenerated completelly thru 1000 years of judeo-christianity.

Look at a map of Europe. Which is the biggest country there? Russia. That's right - Russia is bigger than all of the rest of Europe put together, and then some. This is why the British backed the Ottoman Empire against the Russians - if they had been allowed to conquer the Ottoman Empire, all of the Ottoman Empire, including the Balkans (Bulgaria, what is formerly Yugoslavia, Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, et al) North Africa and the Middle East, would have come under Russian rule. There's just no way any the Brits could have let that happen - the Russian bear was threatening to engulf all of Europe. And this was way before the Cold War started. Richard Pipes had it right - the threat from the Soviet Union wasn't really new - it was inherited from the territorial ambitions of the Russian empire, which, today, is still the largest country in the world, by a significant margin.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-3-19 1:08:00 PM|| 2004-3-19 1:08:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 My point was that they all use terrorist murder and violence to accomplish their goals, including the IRA who is now working with Al Queda also.

There are none so ignorant as those who refuse to know.
Even when they're told and shown.
They persist in trying to be the masters of disinformation, which is what you are, Katsaris.
You are here to be a troll-- wordy, high-flown and semi-polite, but a troll just the same spreading lies and half-truths.

Posted by Jen 2004-3-19 1:35:18 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-3-19 1:35:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 "My point was that they all use terrorist murder and violence to accomplish their goals, "

You lie. That wasn't your point, because if *that* had been your point, then you'd have agreed with me when I called the UCK a bunch of nationalist terrorists.

Instead you called me a pinko commie instead, which proves your lie when you attempt to backpedal now.

"including the IRA who is now working with Al Queda also. "

Obviously then the IRA must be Islamists also, and are seeking global Islamic domination, just as you claimed the Albanians insurgents are after.

The rest of your post is a quite ignorable ad hominem. If I've ever spread "lies" (not just differences of opinion) as you claim, then feel free to point them out for all to see.

Because I've already pointed out what I see as *your* lie.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-3-19 1:46:22 PM|| 2004-3-19 1:46:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Excellent seat, nice motion, for first timer... he looks... wait a second speaking of timers.. what's th....

BOOM!

Posted by Abu Dressage 2004-3-19 2:23:46 PM|| 2004-3-19 2:23:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 "UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said the decision had been taken in view of the worsening security situation."

So the UN pulls out. What purpose do they serve?

Posted by Barry 2004-3-19 3:03:14 PM|| 2004-3-19 3:03:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 blah, blah, blah.

Happy hunting this time, Serbs. I mean that.

Posted by BH 2004-3-19 3:29:29 PM|| 2004-3-19 3:29:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Yo Abu: SPLAT!

Posted by Rafael 2004-3-19 5:19:22 PM|| 2004-3-19 5:19:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 "So the UN pulls out. What purpose do they serve?"

Barry, the UN serves as a way for the third world to offload the local elites who are too stupid to be a part of their own governments...

I think it's in the Charter somewhere.

Posted by Carl in N.H 2004-3-19 5:49:12 PM|| 2004-3-19 5:49:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 #1: The Albanians, for some weird reason, ALWAYS justify their attacks by floating (sorry) the story that "the Serbians chased two children into the river and drowned them." Always the river, always the drowning of children. They've been saying the same thing for decades. It's an oddball quirk, but it sells.

And why is a (supposed) Greek--Aris Katsaris-- defending Moslems? That's a strange thing too.

Posted by ex-lib 2004-3-20 12:12:53 AM|| 2004-3-20 12:12:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Yes, I know--from all of his weird responses, you gotta wonder just what team Katsaris is playing on...or if that's his real name...or where he's posting from.
Weird guy, lame politics.

Posted by Jen 2004-3-20 12:25:56 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-3-20 12:25:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Ex-lib> Because unlike what racists want to think not everyone's behaviour is defined by their race, and unlike what bigoted little nationalists would like to think, not everyone's attitude is defined by their nations.

And btw, how the hell was I defending the Albanian Muslims, when I said that they were a nationalist terrorist organization that needed to be crushed?

Oh, yeah, I forgot -- you are one of the illiterate people that can't actually parse my words at all.

Jen> Google for my name, and you'll have full name, fandom interests, political opinions, a photo and possibly even an address, you little shit.

But I am not surprised that some of the idiots here doubt that I'm Greek when I'm supposedly "defending" Muslims. You afterall doubted that I was straight when I was defending gay marriages.

You always need to label and define people based on your bigotries.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-3-20 11:47:26 AM|| 2004-3-20 11:47:26 AM|| Front Page Top

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