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2006-03-16 Iraq
Video shows Ramadi children playing with remains of US soldiers
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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-03-16 01:13|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Surprise meter.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-03-16 04:42||   2006-03-16 04:42|| Front Page Top

#2 Hey kids ... Brave Uncle Zarkie has bugged out!
Posted by doc 2006-03-16 06:27||   2006-03-16 06:27|| Front Page Top

#3 Also no time tag. Two years ago, last week?
Posted by Hupomoling Creremp5509 2006-03-16 09:21||   2006-03-16 09:21|| Front Page Top

#4 All the more reason to direct counter-batery fire towards all locations of enemy attacks with no known survivors. Car swarms, kiddie swarms, it matters not. Those kids waving that soldier's leg are the bomb vest wearers of tomorrow. Effing disgusting.
Posted by Zenster 2006-03-16 12:54||   2006-03-16 12:54|| Front Page Top

#5 "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood..."

-- Mr. Zarki's neighborhood
Posted by Captain America 2006-03-16 14:27||   2006-03-16 14:27|| Front Page Top

#6 All cultures, all civilizations, all religions are equal, have the same intrinsic values... but somehow I cannot imagine WWI or WWII children (and theses were wars on a scale unknown to any arab past or present) playing gleefully with the gory remains of a man, ennemy or not... but perhaps I'm naive, or bigoted?
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-03-16 15:04||   2006-03-16 15:04|| Front Page Top

#7 This multiculti crap is p*ssing me off, theses guys are barbarians!
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-03-16 15:05||   2006-03-16 15:05|| Front Page Top

#8 All cultures, all civilizations, all religions are equal, have the same intrinsic values

Ummmm ... no. Moral relativism is no longer applicable in an age of death-cult political ideology masquerading as a religion which is seeking nuclear weapons to achieve world domination.
Posted by Zenster 2006-03-16 16:22||   2006-03-16 16:22|| Front Page Top

#9 Actually, this was meant to be irony, I *really* don't believe this official mantra.
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-03-16 17:12||   2006-03-16 17:12|| Front Page Top

#10 Thank you for clarifying. Far too many people still take moral relativism seriously, and in a final irony, some liberals (e.g., Germaine Greer) are actually embracing it once again.
Posted by Zenster 2006-03-16 17:56||   2006-03-16 17:56|| Front Page Top

#11 "All the more reason to direct counter-batery fire towards all locations of enemy attacks with no known survivors. Car swarms, kiddie swarms, it matters not."

"Those kids waving that soldier's leg are the bomb vest wearers of tomorrow. Effing disgusting."

If you are advocating killing children because you are feeling angry then it is you, sir, that is disgusting. Such views are more sickening than the video itself.

Killing children? Are you seriously advocating that, Zenster?
Posted by Trex 2006-03-16 18:20||   2006-03-16 18:20|| Front Page Top

#12 No he's advocating non-discriminatory elimination of non-combatants who desecrate the bodies of the dead. I'm with him.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-03-16 18:22||   2006-03-16 18:22|| Front Page Top

#13 Can the moral superiority BS, Trix.
Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 18:27||   2006-03-16 18:27|| Front Page Top

#14 Oh pleeease, you guys have huge double standards.

In other posts you rant how the extremists are animals for indoctrinating their kids or worse.

Then you say even if there is a street full of kids and one bad guy lets drop a bomb anyway. Forget about the kids.

'Discretion' is part what the west uses as it's moral high ground to distinguish us from them. If we ignore that then you are no better than they are.

Personally, I think it is sick that they allow (encourage) their kids to do these things. Hamas, et al, are particularly good at indoctrinating their toddlers. But from extremists what do you expect?

You cant claim moral high ground then deliberately call for the killing of innocent children. That is just sick.

Basically, I think you are sick dudes.....
Posted by Trex 2006-03-16 18:38||   2006-03-16 18:38|| Front Page Top

#15 What a load of bullshit - and obvious hypocrisy.

In one breath you shake your tiny fists and squeak about double standards. In the very next breath you stamp your imprimatur on an obvious double standard by saying "But from extremists what do you expect?"

Hypocritical dimwit. You can't even be internally consistent in one comment and we're supposed to cower before your staged moral blitzkrieg?

You're developing a bad habit of blustering in and throwing an infantile hissy fit when you think you see an angle. Yawn. Manufactured outrage characterizes your drivel posts.

You turning Pro?

Basically, I think you're a fucking Drama Queen.
Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 18:51||   2006-03-16 18:51|| Front Page Top

#16 Trex is an Ageist. Trex is an Ageist.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-03-16 19:01||   2006-03-16 19:01|| Front Page Top

#17 Wow, it sure shook your tutu, GT. Personal insults no less. I am honoured.

"In one breath you shake your tiny fists and squeak about double standards. In the very next breath you stamp your imprimatur on an obvious double standard by saying "But from extremists what do you expect?"

What are you pointing to here? If there is any doubt, I am a middle aged white boy originally from Scotland and I am definately with you guys.

I dont however agree with the notion of killing innocent kids regardless,'kiddieswarms' as Zenster put it. Or the fact that grown men would do the same or even suggest it.

Are you saying you think it's OK to call for the killing of innocent kids GT?
Posted by Trex 2006-03-16 19:08||   2006-03-16 19:08|| Front Page Top

#18 What am I pointing to? Are you daft? You claim we used double standards then did so yourself. Read. Think.

I'm saying you're a drama queen who has decided to make a couple of recent appearances full of bluster and bother, throwing 3 yr old hissy fits, and you're a hypocrit who can't construct a valid comment.

Many posts are angry and vindictive because of the acts of barbaric societies. He's not General Zenster so he won't be ordering up any air raids. Apply that perspective and your tirade is fucking manufactured outrage.

If you want to be constructive, then be constructive.

If you want to throw an infantile fit and parade some imaginary moral superiority, you'd better expect it to be critiqued and, if found wanting, lambasted for the charade it is.

I've been in combat and seen shit I'll never speak of. You can't teach me diddley-squat about horror or depravity or true morality. I take it personally when someone plays your game.

Goddamnit. I was trying to be nice today. Hell, I was nice when you showed up the other day with that RFID hissy. I spent time seeking out info to make heads or tails of the issue. You weren't constructive then and again not today. I don't want you with me. You're a childish poseur.
Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 19:19||   2006-03-16 19:19|| Front Page Top

#19 So you wanna be nice. OK. I'll be nice and not rise to your insults. I get angry too you know but I dont run out calling for innocent kids to be bombed indiscriminantly.

I am being constructive. I am trying to determine where you guys draw the line and, knowing where that line is, whether it makes you different that THEY are or just the same....

"Apply that perspective and your tirade is fucking manufactured outrage."

How so? I do not remember ever hearing anyone from a civilised country calling for the indiscriminate killing of children. THIS IS MY QUESTION HERE.

You wrote a lot but you never managed to answer the question. Can you do that now GT?
Posted by Trex 2006-03-16 19:36||   2006-03-16 19:36|| Front Page Top

#20 now, now, now children, put those things down before somebody gets hurt. it's all fund and games til someone get's an eye Or an opinion) poked out.

Personally, I think it is sick that they allow (encourage) their kids to do these things. Hamas, et al, are particularly good at indoctrinating their toddlers. But from extremists what do you expect?

Yes it is sick that they train their children this way. And what we expect is to eliminate the extremists and ensure this legacy of violence, hatred and intolerance comes to an end before we are all dead. Dead at the hands, perhaps of these very children. Children are the next wave of attackers - or haven't you been reading?

No one is advocating the killing of innocent children. but you will need to prepare yourself for the casualties among children that are likely to occur. They are used as shields and soon as weapons.

Just as we are told that not all muslims are extremists, we must understand that not all children are non-violent in make-up or given indoctrination such as these recent generations.

Harden yourself. Save those who can be, but up ahead, children are going to die. But, as the video shows, by the hand of muslims.
Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-03-16 19:41||   2006-03-16 19:41|| Front Page Top

#21 Constructive?

I think not. I think it was far more show than anything else. And the main realization for me, what hit the button for me, was your amazing sputtering rage, what?, 48 hours ago over the RFID story. It was absurd and over nothing. Today's post confirmed your pattern - your MO: manufactured outrage.

And if I see it again, I'll be happy to shit on you again. No need to thank me, I hate fuckers like you. Just part of the service.

Now if you want to engage Zenster, please be my guest. Drop the fax posturing and go for it.

If you again post drivel to the effect that all of the 'Burg is responsible for one post, then I'll fuck you every time I encounter you.
Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 19:44||   2006-03-16 19:44|| Front Page Top

#22 Got the harden yourself part down, TW. Working on the be nice part. Failing miserably, of course.
Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 19:46||   2006-03-16 19:46|| Front Page Top

#23 Killing children? Are you seriously advocating that, Zenster?

One word, yes. When kids are already programmed to disfigure the remains of our soldiers, they are equally liable to assist in the planting (or lookout watch) of an IED. They want to play combatant, they can catch a slug.

Remember how Arafat used to surround himself with children wherever he went so the IDF wouldn't grease him like a squeaky undercarriage? The IDF should have whacked Arafat and his midget shields and let the Palestinian parents finally figure out that maybe their leaders' strategy wasn't so good. We've coddled these maggots for way too long.

It's time for the terrorists to understand that there is a horrific price if they involve their young in the battle. Once these rugrats are on the battlefield, all bets are off. The parents of these children need to learn that their lack of concern about where their children play and who they play with can have fatal consequences. Just like they need to learn that where their children pray and who they pray with can be just as fatal.

Like .com says, these radical Muslims have to come from somewhere. How many imams are sending their sons and daughters to a glorious death. Answer? ZEER-EFFING-OH. The moderate Muslims just do not care enough about what happens to their children. Maybe when they get home for supper in a pine box, they'll wise up.

If you hadn't noticed, we're fighting an enemy that, save for lack of access to advanced technology, makes the Nazis look like a bunch of schoolboys. If we do not begin to make life supremely miserable for all involved with terrorism, nobody in this massive death-cult will ever catch on.

Save your overinflated hypocritical moral indignation for someone who cares.

NOTE: To all who rose to my defense, especially GT and NS, you have my thanks. We may not all always agree on all things here, but the simply incredible level of demonic evil that terrorism represents requires a no-holds-barred attitude if we ever expect to come out of this alive.

But from extremists what do you expect?

I expect them to die and nothing else. The children of extremists need the same dose of salts. The pathological meme known as Islamist terrorism must be exterminated. When you clean out a rat's nest you don't set the pups free because they're so cute. Get a clue.
Posted by Zenster 2006-03-16 20:06||   2006-03-16 20:06|| Front Page Top

#24 GT I gotta laugh. Outrage?! This is what happens when I treat you nice?

WHen people make posts devoid of argument or intellectual capital with the sole purpose of backslapping each other in some misguided testosterone driven, patriarchal cameraderie then I take issue.

It seems you cant take it when I call folks on their shit.

All you can do is spout off, firing insults and personal name calling. AND you still have not answereed the question. WHY DIDN'T YOU ANSWER MY ORIGINAL QUESTION?

My argument is that, in our fine country, IT IS NOT OK to call for the mass killing of children. Whether you are "angry and vindictive" or not.

I look forward to jousting with you further GT. Just lay off the insults and I promise I will do the same.

"And if I see it again, I'll be happy to shit on you again. No need to thank me, I hate fuckers like you."

I'd like to say the same but I usually save my insults for someone I know. ;-)
Posted by Trex 2006-03-16 20:12||   2006-03-16 20:12|| Front Page Top

#25 Dotcom used to say that someday we'd find ourselves shedding the Order of the Garter (which I had to google to make sense of, lol) nonsense which has us constantly fighting with one or both hands behind our backs. That we'd drop it when it cost us too dearly - and marvel at how naive we were in retrospect. *shudder*

I don't want to go there, but my gut says we will - dragged kicking and screaming by those who insist upon it - another dotcom phrase.

Sucks, but I lost my doubts while watching the Iranian situation build.
Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 20:15||   2006-03-16 20:15|| Front Page Top

#26 No, it's what happens when poseurs show up and step on the mine.

You can call anyone on anything you like. And I will do the same. You are a hypocrit (figured it out, yet, poseur?) and posturing ass.
Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 20:18||   2006-03-16 20:18|| Front Page Top

#27 Folks,

Did it ever occur to anyone that this story was a plant? Pure hyperbolae?

From the subject matter and the lurid nature of the prose I highly suspect this entire episode as being compete BS.

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg  2006-03-16 20:32|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com]  2006-03-16 20:32|| Front Page Top

#28 I do hope you're right, FOTSGreg. However, like so many urban legends, it does fit nicely with what we know about the Islamofascists and the Baathists, and the way they rear their children. Look at the car swarming behaviour of the Palestinians, and how those kids take away bits of their heroes' bits after a missile hit.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-03-16 23:01||   2006-03-16 23:01|| Front Page Top

#29 Killing children? Are you seriously advocating that, Zenster?

One word, yes

Wow. Just fucking wow. I'm not sure who I want to win anymore, if that's the case. And no regulars stepped in. Just wow.
Posted by MO 2006-03-16 23:13||   2006-03-16 23:13|| Front Page Top

#30 Hey, Rantburg has got its Kos moment now ;-)
Posted by MO 2006-03-16 23:16||   2006-03-16 23:16|| Front Page Top

#31 MO, you did notice that Zenster is advocating treating children who dance around with enemy body parts the same way he advocates treating adults who do the same. I don't agree with his Kill 'em all! approach overall, but that isn't what he's suggesting here. How would you suggest we handle this kind of situation, if indeed the video wasn't staged, or very old news?
Posted by trailing wife 2006-03-16 23:31||   2006-03-16 23:31|| Front Page Top

#32 MO's illogical. Like the other Mo.
Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 23:33||   2006-03-16 23:33|| Front Page Top

#33 See the Khatami thread for an example. Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't...
Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 23:34||   2006-03-16 23:34|| Front Page Top

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