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2004-03-16 Britain
BBC poll: Most Britons still back war against Iraq
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Posted by Bulldog 2004-03-16 4:16:31 AM|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 damn i wish i could have seen that too after thier gloating about that spaniard cunt now in power and what he said about the war
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 4:33:22 AM||   2004-3-16 4:33:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I am glad to see that the Brits are still watching our backs. I take back all the snippy things I've ever said about Brits - they are the salt of the earth.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2004-3-16 5:16:07 AM||   2004-3-16 5:16:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Oi! Leave Aunty alone. At least someone in Europe supports the Americans.. personally glad to be on board in the great war of civilisation.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 5:34:15 AM||   2004-3-16 5:34:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Thieving Aunty ought to be slapped, stripped, and dismembered, IMHO.

For non-Brits, "Aunty" refers to the BBC.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-3-16 5:44:01 AM||   2004-3-16 5:44:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 A great British institution (and kicking-post for whichever govt. happens to be in power.) At least you don't have to sit through mind numbing adverts with the beeb. God bless her!
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 5:56:31 AM||   2004-3-16 5:56:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Agree with you totally there Bulldog, the BBC should be litterally torn apart, split into differant departments geographicaly seperated by long distance, they should be allowed no 'Andrew Marr' type indiots trying to brainwash the public with thier own pathetic lefty agendas every night at 6'o clock. Hell why not just do away with the fuckers altogether. As a side point wonder how many Muslims work for the BBC, my guess its probably 40%christian , 50%Islamoids and the other 10 atheist that make up thier staff. It Panders to the Arabs so fuckin much it makes me wonder if Arabs arn't running it
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 5:58:54 AM||   2004-3-16 5:58:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Crikey - I can't be watching the news that closely then.. The Beeb's job is to get under the skin of the govt. Gave Thatcher hell in the eighties. Good on'em. Most of the employees seem to be white wealthy wanky public-school types from what I've seen in London. Haw haw haw.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 6:04:41 AM||   2004-3-16 6:04:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Howard, if the BBC didn't spew left wing propaganda instead of news 90 % of the time, I might agree with you... But why should I, you and Jon here, and everyone else in the country who wishes to watch any television at all be forced to, firstly, pay through the nose for channels and radio stations that we might never watch? For news of far inferior quality to other providers' efforts (roll on Sky News on Channel 5!!!), and to have to pay for propaganda that works to undermine our very nation and way of life? Watch five minutes of Breakfast TV and you're subjected to five minutes of the brainless nanny state lecturing the nation on the latest fad issue we're too stupid to deal with ourselves. They're sneeringly patronising, and they're damned well proud of it!

The sad fact is that the BBC system worked for decades when it had little competition and was run in the interests of the majority of the viewing public. Now it's an anachronism, it's unfairly paid for by a majority of people who aren't choosing to watch what it has to offer most of the time. It has a huge and unfair advantage over other broadcasters in that it doesn't have to compete for subscriptions, and it doesn't have to stoop to interrupting its programmes with adverts. Why then are its programmes so mediochre? Worst of all, it's succumbed, possibly fatally, to the leftist rot, aka Sinistra corruptus: a parasite which once it has a grip of its host voraciously consumes respect as fuel until all that's left of its once healthy victim is an lifeless shell. The respect's all but gone, both nationally and internationally. How will the BBC regain its reputation for impartiality?

Jon, the BBC is, thanks to Greg Dyke, now more ethnic than the general population. He wanted it that way 'cos he believes in racial equality. He's happy with staff of any colour so long as it's not "hideously white" (to use ex-Chair of Governors Gavin Davies' term). Your assumptions about the number of arabs in the BBC is a tad wide of the mark, I think, but it's no coincidence that al Jazeera's reporting is so wildly anti-Western and that it grew directly from jettisoned BBC's Middle East news studios.

Maybe there's hope for the BBC. Some kind of reform, i.e. voluntary funding rather than coerced poll-taxation. I'm not holding my breath. The Tories have already backed away from supporting such changes. Maybe they're going to hope to let Portillo get to work on the dead wood instead...
Posted by Bulldog  2004-3-16 6:50:13 AM||   2004-3-16 6:50:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 um...Howard...I don't think the white, wealthy, wanky, public-school type, news readers actually write the news. Do you? Your condensending tone seems a bit unsupported.

The fact that the BBC is forced to report supportive numbers on a poll makes me believe that the British haven't forgotten the dangers of 'peace in our time'. My guess is that they won't bother to turn their propaganda machine on us or the WOT, they will turn it onto Blair. Much better bang for their buck.
Posted by B 2004-3-16 6:53:59 AM||   2004-3-16 6:53:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 .....bulldog beat me to the punch. He hit much harder than I did.

See Howard, you sit there and sneer, when in fact you are just making a fool out of yourself. It says a lot more about you than it does about us.
Posted by B 2004-3-16 7:01:56 AM||   2004-3-16 7:01:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Unfortunately the wanky white public school types I come across do write the programmes and the news. However, I would say that historically the BBC has offered the best news programming in the UK.[OK it's taken a hit and is justly suffering at the moment.] Sky? ITV? Channel 5? TV for absolute fucking morons. When we've done away with the Beeb and have no British programming left to watch I dare say we'll be happy - watching repeats of Friends. Bulldog - The licence fee - damn good vfm when compared to Murdoch's thin smattering of shit for £40 a month. Do away with Aunty and there would probably be a revolution - albeit very middle class.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 7:09:55 AM||   2004-3-16 7:09:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 When will you marry off your old crazy spinster Auntie to a real man, like Rupert Murdoch?
Posted by ed 2004-3-16 7:16:26 AM||   2004-3-16 7:16:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Howard there is no way the news reports are written by swanky posh men,more like jumped up AL-Gaurdian readers! the likes of Andrew marr and the Clowns that run thier incredably transparent anti American website are also to blame.
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 7:33:24 AM||   2004-3-16 7:33:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Terror in Madrid just catapulted Al-quaida to the top of the political agenda. The Spanish have just voted for peace. The Brits do not see the significance of "Peace in our Time"? I suspect a lot of folks are just starting to realize GW (you are with us or for the terrorists) is right and a lot of european politicos are running around with soiled undies.
Posted by john  2004-3-16 7:35:33 AM||   2004-3-16 7:35:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 And BBC1 isn't TV for morons, Howard? OK, occasionally there's something decent on BBC2 (e.g. The Simpsons - but that's not for much longer), but not much. Why should other people pay for your choice? Why do you think it's reasonable to expect other people, who may watch no BBC at all, to pay for your BBC? If you didn't like Thatcher's poll tax, how could you defend the BBC's poll tax?

Tell me a BBC comedy that's better than the US imports on Channel 4. Hell, there's no comedy on terrestrial TV worth watching except that shown on Channel 4...

Sky News knocks BBC's efforts into the long grass. Why should I pay for that crap simply so I can have the privilege of watching the other? It's absolute nonsense!
Posted by Bulldog  2004-3-16 7:37:46 AM||   2004-3-16 7:37:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Howard - I have to admit you have a point about the repeats of Friends. Maybe public TV should be forced only out of the news business. Sure, you can make documentaries, soap operas and cooking shows political if you want to, but it's much tougher to influence political campaigns and public opinion that way. Yes, Oprah (US) can sway soccer moms, so why not just assure that public TV is political content free - unless it's in the form of covering real public debates or government meetings. No broadcaster led opinion or commentary allowed on the public's dime - like CSPAN. They manage to do it with religion, why not current politics.

Besides, NPR and BBC news programs are not news at all, they are opinions of the producers - and little different than the Rush Limbaugh show. I don't think taxpayers should be forced to fund the ivory tower ideals of a small group of board members.
Posted by B 2004-3-16 7:47:20 AM||   2004-3-16 7:47:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 OK Shep, send me the URL of an anti-American story on Aunty's website... Whilst we may be fully supportive of war in Iraq, plenty in the UK sadly aren't. It may just be a case of the Beeb having to sound rational as a consequence of objectivity. The Beeb's independence from towing the govt. line may be distatsteful but at least we don't have the problems other countries have where the media is run as on offshoot of a political party - Burlosconi in Italy for eg. Having someone like Murdoch dictate the news agenda would be a sad day - we'd just end up with our own versions of Al-Jizz.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 7:47:29 AM||   2004-3-16 7:47:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Adam Faith's last words:
"God, Channel 5's shit"
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 7:52:06 AM||   2004-3-16 7:52:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 hmmm...after reading bulldog's post, I think I'll back slowly out of the room and let the British handle this.
Posted by B 2004-3-16 7:52:19 AM||   2004-3-16 7:52:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Sorry, B. I think Queensbury rules apply on this one. H :)
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 8:08:35 AM||   2004-3-16 8:08:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Howard the BBC site is littered with sneers about America, every aspect of America is always sneered at.Its getting worse to,look for the 'clever' word play they use and also the favoutite - the 'sneer' comma things they put around anything they question the 'Americans' say. Eg they would write a headline like - America fights war on 'terror'. or - American troops capture 'militants'. note the sneer comma things.
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 8:40:42 AM||   2004-3-16 8:40:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 ...See Garth Marenghi's Darkplace? Ali G? Now that's what I call quality British comedy. What cutting edge, innovative comedy has the BBC given us recently? Anything to really split your sides? No: Absolute Power.

The Beeb can't do anything properly except gardening programmes any more, and they've all been pussified since the days of Geoff Hamilton.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-3-16 8:46:30 AM||   2004-3-16 8:46:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 The Office. Laughed so hard I nearly cracked my ring.

Admittedly comedy on BBC is currently poor... in comparison to its former glory. Don't see much innovative British comedy on Sky or ITV. Could I be wrong?

Shep - fair comment, will keep them peeled.
Posted by Anon 2004-3-16 8:51:22 AM||   2004-3-16 8:51:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 The above was me.. Yep C4 do good comedy. The Beeb is the cat in the lap of my days I'm afraid. Lose it and we lose a little bit of what makes us British.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 8:55:23 AM||   2004-3-16 8:55:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 See the BBC's lunchtime news today? The positive opinion Iraqis have of their situation and prospects, as revealed in the recent poll conducted by the BBC, were described as surprising by the analyser. Surprising! Damned surprising to the BBC who obviously had the idea that Iraqis would resent being liberated from the man who enslaved their nation...

See it here. The poll report starts at 10:54.

Lately I think the Beeb's been trying to impart some actual balance into its reportage. Like this report. It sometimes makes for painful viewing...
Posted by Bulldog  2004-3-16 9:01:10 AM||   2004-3-16 9:01:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 i shouted with rage at the t.v when he read out the poll results calling it 'suprising', looks like the BBC has alot of back peddling to do on its opinion of the war after these polls. And there they were for the past year saying what a fuckin quagmire it is.I hate those BBC bastards!
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 9:13:58 AM||   2004-3-16 9:13:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 Seems a fairly balanced report to me. At least they're reporting the good news... If there's something Murdoch don't like it don't go out. That's what we'd have. TASS/Pravda anyone?(And Sky were the only channel to show full footage of the corpses of British soldiers being dragged through the streets at the start of the war. The beeb showed the briefest of clips and was savaged.)
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 9:15:53 AM||   2004-3-16 9:15:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 'The beeb showed the briefest of clips and was savaged' - Lol Good
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 9:19:55 AM||   2004-3-16 9:19:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 And when Aunty's gone they'll be shipping Sky with a free frontal lobotomy.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 9:27:51 AM||   2004-3-16 9:27:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 lol
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 9:30:29 AM||   2004-3-16 9:30:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 Don't you find it surprising! that the BBC is wrong footed by Iraqi public opinion? That the BBC should be expressing presumption at all? The only reason anyone thinks the Iraqis wouldn't welcome freedom is because media corps like the BBC itself fed the lie that they preferred life under Saddam to forced regime change. If it's surprising to the BBC, it's because they want us to believe that they believed their own propaganda, or because they actually did. Either way it's a sad indictment of the BBC's quite flagrant bias and opinionation.

You're right about the report trying to be balanced. Isn't it just?! Note the reporter uses silly BBC word emphasis randomly. Usually it's used to sneering effect.

Re Sky and the corpses - if Sky only reports right-wing favourable, e.g. pro-war, stuff, then why did they show the corpses? That don't make no sense.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-3-16 9:31:14 AM||   2004-3-16 9:31:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 I never said Sky was pro-war. I am, however, and find little offense in this report - as I said earlier, not everyone supports this war and the Beeb have to appeal to all sides. Methinks they should have mentioned something about the irrepressible optimimsm of the Iraqi's. Sky News - good wanking material, that's about it.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 9:39:41 AM||   2004-3-16 9:39:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#33 All through the war to remove Saddam the BBC were trying thier very best to make the Coalition look like it was doing an awful job. BBC journalists sat around 'beating thier meat' on the roofs of hotels and bitching about and distorting everything the Coalition troops did. At least other news agencies made it off the hotel roofs!
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 9:49:46 AM||   2004-3-16 9:49:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#34 Apart from poor old Raggi dodging the booms!
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 9:53:52 AM||   2004-3-16 9:53:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#35 The BBC shouldn't have to "appeal" to all sides at all. The mistake you're making is confusing impartiality with objectivity. I don't want the BBC searching for a middle-of the road balance to spin its reporting of events. I can do without surprisings and disappointings etc. I want the facts, just the pure, refreshing facts. Sky style. The trouble with the left is its obsession with just what you're advocating - all viewpoints are legitimate and should have equal coverage (unless, of course, they're right of centre). Bollox.

By the logic of "appealing to all sides" of the audience and opinion, news reportage of one event would have very different bias and spin according to which nationality each crew were from, and would be equally commendable. No accuracy required, no set standard, just shifting sands. That kind of kooky logic may work at the quantum level of things, but on the larger scale it's just different forms of deception. The media should strive to report the truth, and nothing else.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-3-16 9:55:44 AM||   2004-3-16 9:55:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#36 Working on that premise, and the stats at the top of the page, we can say that a minority of Brits definitely support the war hence the coverage will be anti... God forbid.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 10:05:45 AM||   2004-3-16 10:05:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#37 I feel like I'm watching Arsenal play Man U.
Posted by Matt 2004-3-16 10:31:04 AM||   2004-3-16 10:31:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#38 Working on that premise, and the stats at the top of the page, we can say that a minority of Brits definitely support the war hence the coverage will be anti...

Not at all! There'd be 28.8 minutes of the hour rabidly gung-ho and tellin' it like it is, followed by 25.8 minutes' doom and gloom and sneeering anti-Americanism (usual BBC output), then 5.4 minutes where the studio presenter just sits on a stool picking his nose looking bored. That what you want?! "Appeal to all sides"? Cos that's what you'd get...

I feel like I'm watching Arsenal play Man U.

Get the hint. I'll stop now.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-3-16 10:40:16 AM||   2004-3-16 10:40:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#39 Whatever you say guys..... I'm agreeable... yep.
Posted by Shipman 2004-3-16 10:40:56 AM||   2004-3-16 10:40:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#40 More like Scunthorpe vs Doncaster.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 10:43:28 AM||   2004-3-16 10:43:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#41 Bulldog, don't stop on my account. I just thought there had to be a footie issue underlying all this.
Posted by Matt 2004-3-16 10:50:45 AM||   2004-3-16 10:50:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#42 Is it still true that British warships display Skynews instead of the BBC? I heared they switched durring the run-up to the war because of complaints from the crews.
Posted by ZoGg 2004-3-16 11:12:32 AM|| [http://www.americanintelligence.us/]  2004-3-16 11:12:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#43 Howard: Scunthorpe? Doncaster?
Posted by Matt 2004-3-16 11:21:51 AM||   2004-3-16 11:21:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#44 Hey check this classic on the BBC Website, it reads : Israel captures boy 'with bomb'. What the fuck are those i see, are they sneer comma's.I think so 'Sneer' 'Sneer'. BBC are Fucking Cunts of Biblical proportions.siding with them can only lead you on a steady spiral of stupidity to the levals of intelligence of an Al Gaurdian reader.An Aura of Shitness surrounds the BBC.
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 11:23:54 AM||   2004-3-16 11:23:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#45 Scunthorpe/Doncaster - two teams inhabiting the lower echelons of the English Football leagues - hence the comparison with our lame diatribe. Shep - steer clear of the Beeb site if it inspires such vitriol. I hear Sky have a lovely site.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 11:41:31 AM||   2004-3-16 11:41:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#46 but if i don't look at the 'BBCs' site i don't know what other lies and sneers they might be up to. Agreed the sky site is utter wank too. ps notice the 'sneer' comma's around BBC
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 11:46:00 AM||   2004-3-16 11:46:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#47 USA 'nuke' Arabia. Wouldn't mind those sneer commas one of these days...
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 11:49:03 AM||   2004-3-16 11:49:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#48 Now THAT'S what I call a "discussion" - well-rounded, gentlemanly discourse. Minimum of blood, excellent points by both sides, some interesting tidbits to flesh out the "target" - excellent, gentlemen, thank you!

I lived in England for a year and a half. We had BBC news at work, but I never bought a television license. Had the UK Information police come by once, because they picked up some "broadcast" they couldn't peg, and there was no TV license for our address. We were playing US videos through the television for our children to watch. They left scratching their head - why would anyone wish to do without television? The truth is, if you don't have a product worth buying, why pay for it? BBC should go the way of all other "public" broadcasting programs, including our own NPR and Public Broadcasting Corporation - either fund yourself, or tank. If you can't find anyone willing to fund your trash, then it isn't worth the PEOPLE being forced into funding it.
Posted by Old Patriot  2004-3-16 1:18:27 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm]  2004-3-16 1:18:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 The funny thing is that the Spanish BBC website is pretty balanced. I've never seen any sneer quotes there and they seem pretty fair.
Posted by 11A5S 2004-3-16 2:08:24 PM||   2004-3-16 2:08:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 Too funny, British guys!
(Howard, I think I'm in love!)
I nominate Howard, Bulldog and Jon Shep to be anchors for whatever replaces the Al-Beebera!
You can tell from watching the comedy show "Dead Ringers" that the BBC is way over for the U.K.
Posted by Jen  2004-3-16 3:18:28 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-3-16 3:18:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 incedently having been a school reject and never studied english what are 'sneer' marks real name.i call them sneer commas but who knows? is it an apostrophe? a comma? a speach mark? Anyway i'm off ontop the BBC to go 'sneer' mark huntin
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 3:36:16 PM||   2004-3-16 3:36:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 Jon: Utter wank?? LOL - you guys are killing me today. Thanks for the discussion though - Soon I'll be able to swear/insult in yet another language - UK English. I don't think I'll incorporate the "c" word just yet though - on this side of the pond that's considered a bit insensitive. . .

Posted by Doc8404 2004-3-16 3:36:50 PM||   2004-3-16 3:36:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 Amongst the many pieces of good advice my father has given me is "Don't under any circumstances ever get in a fight with anyone who sounds like or looks like they may have been a British NCO" the advice was given with the conviction of the true believer.
Posted by Shipman 2004-3-16 4:30:35 PM||   2004-3-16 4:30:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#54  Jon, my sincere apologies for slipping into anglo-saxon, if ever I did. I apologise unreservedly for the actions of my compatriots.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 4:56:50 PM||   2004-3-16 4:56:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 Kurds 'killed' in Syria clashes. . That headline is on the BBC web site right now, what the hell are the sneer commas there for? Alarmed
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-16 5:12:08 PM||   2004-3-16 5:12:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#56 On your license fee.. If I read it right... 120 some pounds per year per tv for 4 channels of viewing...

Hm... With per-tv-type service like DirectTV with a base package of more than 125 digital channels for three tvs thats 29.9$/month for the first six months then rises to 37. That includes installation of the dish and in home wiring...

Just thought you might like some numbers for comparision.
Posted by 3dc 2004-3-16 5:17:37 PM||   2004-3-16 5:17:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#57 Yeah, but you don't get the shipping forecast at 2 am to get you through severe shaky stay-awake come-downs. Ten quid amonth for Charlotte Green is fair game Squire. Humber... light...
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-16 5:24:46 PM||   2004-3-16 5:24:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#58 Shipping forecast? Is that like a marine forecast? Or a list of arrivals and departures...?

Posted by Shipman 2004-3-16 5:48:54 PM||   2004-3-16 5:48:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#59 We were in Russia in '98 and had to watch that herding sheep show that was on for 21(!) years.

And some funky Italian game/cooking show.
Posted by Anonymous2U 2004-3-16 5:49:20 PM||   2004-3-16 5:49:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#60 Lately I think the Beeb's been trying to impart some actual balance into its reportage.

With National Public Radio, that's called "behaving during Pledge Week".
Posted by Pappy 2004-3-16 7:32:51 PM||   2004-3-16 7:32:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#61 Anonymous2U - Fuckyes. You must be talking about the one, the only: "One man and his dog" Sheep herding using Border Collies. "Come by boy, come by, coooome by; clickclickclick phweeeeeep!!" Great entertainment! Keep them doggies Rollin'!!
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-17 5:37:31 AM||   2004-3-17 5:37:31 AM|| Front Page Top

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