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2003-03-06 Iraq

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Posted by ISHMAIL 2003-03-06 11:20 am|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Semi-OT:

But Salam Pax of Where's Raed is reporting that Uday is in Russia or Belarus. A Russian reader confirms that local news is reporting that the mayor of Baghdad is in Belarus and speculation is he's attempting to secure exile for the regime.

-Vic

Posted by vicarious 2003-03-06 04:11:23|| 2003-03-06 04:11:23|| Front Page Top

#2 More OT. IE doesn't like the underscore in Dear_Raed. Anyone else have this problem ? Any solutions besides dumping IE ? Thanks, Sorry for the OT.

Posted by Anonymous 2003-03-06 05:06:16|| 2003-03-06 05:06:16|| Front Page Top

#3 "The Soviet Union had its own grim history of setting up âsuitableâ regimes, and we know where that led. Unfortunately such experiments carry a heavy price, most of all to the people one is experimenting upon." Spoken like someone whose who truly doesn't grasp the concept of a democratic government. Clueless! No point of personal reference, I suppose, for a government "of the people". The comment, "force democratic principles onto an entire people" is such an oxymoron as to be humorous. Sad that these guys can't grasp it past the "establishing" phase. We are so blessed in this country.

Posted by becky 2003-03-06 05:52:16|| 2003-03-06 05:52:16|| Front Page Top

#4 Wow - if we can work out an agreement with Russia - Sadaam is gone. These are negotiations where both US and Russia could benefit from a meeting of minds. If it's true that Uday is in Russia then this looks VERY promising on the surface. Just hope Sadaam doesn't cut him a better deal. Maybe now that Russia knows Sadaam WILL be deposed, they are willing to relook at our offers.

Posted by becky 2003-03-06 06:13:10|| 2003-03-06 06:13:10|| Front Page Top

#5 All the talk of bargaining over deals like this is just a soft form of blackmail. If the US gives in, and "rewards" Russia and other states just for doing what they ought to do anyway, this just sets a precident for ridiculous horse-trading in future. It's another nail in the coffin of the UN.

I'd prefer Saddam to go without a war too, but I think the worst possible post-Saddam scenarios rely on there being no coalition forces in Baghdad. You couldn't prevent anarchy, and you couldn't prevent Ba'athist puppets grabbing the reins of power. Saddam living the high life in the lap of one of his sponsor states?! Give me his head or give me the Baghdad War Trials.

Posted by Bulldog 2003-03-06 07:06:59|| 2003-03-06 07:06:59|| Front Page Top

#6 I'm very, very doubtful of this one, since I'm not seeing any confirmation anywhere, but it was pointed out less than an hour ago so it's very fresh... A Refinery Explosion near Kirkuk is being reported by Novosti to be caused by Iraqis sabotaging their oil fields.

It may be Russian news sensationalism, but taken in conjunction with my earlier cite from Raed's, maybe there's something up?

-Vic

Posted by vicarious 2003-03-06 07:09:15|| 2003-03-06 07:09:15|| Front Page Top

#7 Like I said yesterday, you're either with us, against us, or for sale. If this article is true, we know how principled Putin is.

Posted by Dar Steckelberg 2003-03-06 08:52:46|| 2003-03-06 08:52:46|| Front Page Top

#8 my IE 6.02 has no problem with the underscore - try rightclicking and open in new window or update your IE

Posted by Frank G 2003-03-06 09:00:17|| 2003-03-06 09:00:17|| Front Page Top

#9 C'mon, folks, talking about russian "principles" is just ludicrous. They've never had any principles other than self-interest, but at least they're honest about it. Putin is an ex-KGB plug-ugly - he's got less than most....

Posted by mojo 2003-03-06 10:40:48|| 2003-03-06 10:40:48|| Front Page Top

#10 Exile is not an option when dealing with Sammy. He has to go, and he has to go the hard route. That's the line, and that's what's gonna happen. We had no intention of leaving the Nazi party machinery intact in WWII, and the same awaits the Ba'athists.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2003-03-06 12:05:56|| 2003-03-06 12:05:56|| Front Page Top

#11 I think we are portraying the wrong image. First the Turks we try to buy off and now the Russians want some money.

Instead, I would suggest we portray the US as a pi**ed off, unstable and irrational lot, hell bent on taking care of business after 9/11. If we were perceived in that fashion, the whole of the civilized world would be on our team....not for financial benefit, rather, for fear of retribution if they were not....economic or militarily. If you will remember, the first resolution on Iraq after 9/11 was unanimous because the world recognized that the Americans have had enough and there was going to be hell to pay for an attack on our country. It was the same for Afghanistan...who opposed us? No one. Now we are caught up in the rational abyss of world opinion and debate which only serves to divide our country. The anti-war marches and debate will last longer than the war itself.

As for world opinion, I say the more Bush is PERCEIVED as irrational, the less lip service we will get out of the rest of the world. What he should tell the NKor's is...shoot a missle and we will nuke your capitol and detroy your life as you know it. AS for Bagdad...we should have already been there.

Posted by Mark 2003-03-06 15:37:10|| 2003-03-06 15:37:10|| Front Page Top

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