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2010-02-10 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by tipper 2010-02-10 05:25|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 Brennan needs fired and Holder needs to resign, but I won't hold my breath.

Posted by Lumpy Elmoluck5091 2010-02-10 12:34|| 2010-02-10 12:34|| Front Page Top

#2
How, then, could Abdulmutallab have been thoroughly interrogated immediately after he was arrested if the most important breakthrough came six weeks later,

I think the point here is that he wasn't waterboarded.

we Mirandized Abdulmutallab because we had to under FBI policy because we called in the FBI.

I'd like to think that the FBI or any US agency on US soil would follow miranda rules.

The family convinced him to cooperate. That's more reliable than torture in my opinion.

Posted by flash91 2010-02-10 12:49|| 2010-02-10 12:49|| Front Page Top

#3 Oh for crying out loud, flash91. Only 3 people - 3 - were waterboarded in 8 years under Bush, and one of them was a top mastermind who'd planned and attempted multiple such attacks in the past before managing to pull off 9/11.

The issue isn't torture vs. Mirandizing.

The issue is treating an ongoing war as if it were a crime spree in the 'hood. And if you don't get that you're either dense or deliberately closing your eyes to the core issue here.

Posted by lotp 2010-02-10 14:04|| 2010-02-10 14:04|| Front Page Top

#4 Our enemies know that the only Americans who can or need be beaten do not wear uniforms.

A society that does not have the will to let its warriors die fighting will not long survive.

A civilization that values its very being less than the dignity of its sworn enemies should be morally prepared to fail.- Sgt Goldich, USMC

Not only morally prepared - one suspects a fair number of those who take this position are secretly hoping it does so, for a variety of reasons.

At any rate, I'm not among them.

Posted by lotp 2010-02-10 14:10|| 2010-02-10 14:10|| Front Page Top

#5 I know the stuff I went thru they did for Army in Texas for cross assignment. Can't really speak to the stuff at Mackall.

Does SERE in Navy still waterboard at SERE-B in California? That was the rumor we always heard.

Waterboarding isn't torture. No permanent damage, no physical risk of damage or death, if its done right. Its just a way of breaking a person quickly. Being broken is a hell of a psychological blow but no permanent damage once you are taught how to deal with it. WB just does it quicker than other methods.

Posted by OldSpook 2010-02-10 20:41|| 2010-02-10 20:41|| Front Page Top

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