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2006-02-08 Home Front: WoT

Prophets statue draws mild rebuke from US Muslim leaders

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Posted by Fred 2006-02-08 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Jesus fricking Christ. I thought Malkin as joking about this.

Not about what's on the Supreme Court, but about the shorts getting bunched up about it.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-02-08 09:52|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-02-08 09:52|| Front Page Top

#2 Good point - I'm opposed to depictions of Mohammed on gov't buildings too. Sandblast him off and make room for a legitimate icon.

Posted by BH 2006-02-08 10:03|| 2006-02-08 10:03|| Front Page Top

#3 Take him off, and remove any Nazi swastikas too.

Posted by Darrell 2006-02-08 10:30|| 2006-02-08 10:30|| Front Page Top

#4 What, you don't like it?

Tough shit.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2006-02-08 10:42|| 2006-02-08 10:42|| Front Page Top

#5 Take him off. Replace him with Maimonides. While we're at it let's dump Charlemagne. Put up King Alfred or Henry II. Confucius can stay for now but if the ChiComs act up...

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-02-08 10:53|| 2006-02-08 10:53|| Front Page Top

#6 Koran in the left hand, you say?

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-02-08 11:04|| 2006-02-08 11:04|| Front Page Top

#7 Suggestion: If the supremes ever do decide to remove the Mohammad sculpture from the frieze, don't hire those guys from Afghanistan.

Posted by GK 2006-02-08 11:19|| 2006-02-08 11:19|| Front Page Top

#8 Out of respect for Islam and worldwide Moslems, the depiction of the Prophet at the US Supreme Court house should at least be draped with a cloth, and guards should be placed in front of the cloth, lest infidels desecrate his image by viewing it, or believers pollute themselves with temptation of idolatry. At this point, no one in the Moslem world idolizes Mohammad in the least, but that could change if any more of these images are allowed to run rampant in society--especially the favorable ones, which would lend themselves to admiration, then idolatry.

Posted by Habib-Aziz from Arabia 2006-02-08 11:54|| 2006-02-08 11:54|| Front Page Top

#9 Take him off and put Charles Martel up there. Heh.

Don't know aboput old Charlie? He's a Frenchman of the sort they dont have anymore... (From an online article)

[The realm of Duke] Eudes [was left] at the mercy of Moslem enterprise. In 732 Abd-er-Rahman, Governor of [Spain], crossed the Pyrenees at the head of an immense army, overcame Duke Eudes, and advanced as far as the Loire, pillaging, raping and burning as he went.

In October, 732, Charles met Abd-er-Rahman outside of Tours and defeated and slew him in a battle (the Battle of Poitiers) which must ever remain one of the great events in the history of the world, as upon its issue depended whether Christian Civilization should continue or Islam prevail throughout Europe. It was this battle, it is said, that gave Charles his name, Martel (Tudites) "The Hammer" (Or The Hammer of the Muslims), because of the merciless way in which he smote the enemy.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-02-08 12:01|| 2006-02-08 12:01|| Front Page Top

#10
Or how about Marco dAviano? Dont know him?

He's one of the reasons we have Cappucino. And Western Civilization.

Marco dAviano, a 17th century Capuchin priest famed for rallying Christian armies to defeat the Muslims in the siege of Vienna in 1683. He celebrated Mass for the troops, leading them in repeated cries of Jesus! Mary! During the fighting, he brandished a crucifix at the Muslims, shouting, Behold the Cross of the Lord: Flee, enemy bands!

Since 1683 a new way of preparing and drinking coffee was invented. The Cappuccino coffee was inspired by a certain Marco d'Aviano, a priest from the Capuchin monastic order, who was fighting against the Muslims at the Battle of Vienna in 1683. Following the victory of the Europeans, the Viennese made coffee from the abandoned sacks of Turkish coffee. Finding it too strong for their taste, they mixed it with cream and honey. This made the colour of coffee turn brown resembling the colour of the Capuchins' robes.

The Viennese named it Cappuccino in honour of the Marco D'Aviano's order. Since then Cappuccino have been drunk for its enjoyable taste as well as a symbolic celebration of the European victory against the Muslims.

Cappucino anyone? I think I'll have a cup today.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-02-08 12:05|| 2006-02-08 12:05|| Front Page Top

#11 I vote for replacing Mohammad with Flemming Rose.

Posted by ex-lib 2006-02-08 12:15|| 2006-02-08 12:15|| Front Page Top

#12 Koran in the left hand, you say?

Bwahahahahahahahahah!!!

I hadn't noticed that! BEAUTIFUL!!!

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-02-08 12:16|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-02-08 12:16|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm dumb - why is it funny its in his left hand?

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2006-02-08 12:26|| 2006-02-08 12:26|| Front Page Top

#14 Can't use the right to wipe. Eat with it Unclean. Euuuw.

Posted by Ominens Thitch4516 2006-02-08 12:39|| 2006-02-08 12:39|| Front Page Top

#15 I'm no cultural scatologist, but it's my understanding is that it's the hand one wipes one's arse with. Left hand for wiping, right hand for eating.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-02-08 12:40|| 2006-02-08 12:40|| Front Page Top

#16 Dealing with the desert version of the Fresh Water Flush Eel is messy business.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-02-08 12:42|| 2006-02-08 12:42|| Front Page Top

#17 Yosemite Sam, the Koran (Quran, Qur'an, etc) declares that the right hand is for clean actions, the left for unclean (like wiping one's bottom after defecating -- for which one must, for some reason, use three pebbles of a certain size). Hence the amusement.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-08 12:47|| 2006-02-08 12:47|| Front Page Top

#18 Thanks everyone!

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2006-02-08 13:12|| 2006-02-08 13:12|| Front Page Top

#19 Yah, Muhammed was a man to be emulated. According to al-Tabari's History of Prophets and Kings, the self-annointed Abraham-lite married a girl of 6 and consummated same when she was 9.

Muslimutts: your phony prophet was a pedophile, a murderer, a kidnapper and a pathological thief. Meet him in Hell, you sacks of S@#$.

Sorry Bushies: islamania is not a "noble faith." And I don't think the Prez used that term strategically. However, I will respect your response to that.

Posted by Ulimble Shoth9170 2006-02-08 13:14|| 2006-02-08 13:14|| Front Page Top

#20 It is just our way of saying the Koran is full of shit.

Posted by mmurray821 2006-02-08 13:15|| 2006-02-08 13:15|| Front Page Top

#21 Bushies: just to clarify, I like Paul Cellucci (former Republican Gov of Massechusetts) for Prez. So don't assign me Dem credentials.

Posted by Ulimble Shoth9170 2006-02-08 13:16|| 2006-02-08 13:16|| Front Page Top

#22 Koran in the left hand, you say?

Gotta be ready in case the ~~roll~~ pebble jar is empty.

Posted by Zenster 2006-02-08 14:10|| 2006-02-08 14:10|| Front Page Top

#23 Geez, and I was about to nominate the Kung Fu-Parrot-Car Rally headline as the YJCMTSU headline of the day! This one really takes the cake....big Mo as one of the top 18 Lawgivers of all time? Isn't his law Shari'a? Something I, along with CAIR, would rather not have represented on our Supreme Court (the 1 time I've agreed with CAIR, but from different vantage points).

Posted by BA 2006-02-08 14:20|| 2006-02-08 14:20|| Front Page Top

#24 Ulimble Shoth9170, you must be new here.

I don't think many of us here are "Bushies" as you seem to conceive the term; in fact, quite a few of us are former or current Democrats. And quite a few more are libertarian, or true independents. Entirely too many (in my opinion) are cynics, but they've come by it honestly, and likely because they have a better understanding of the true workings of politics than I. ;-)

We come here because we are concerned about the progress of the War on Terror. If you want to argue politics, you'll be happier elsewhere.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-08 14:28|| 2006-02-08 14:28|| Front Page Top

#25 Replace it with Wayne rooney

Posted by Ding Dangalang 2006-02-08 14:57|| 2006-02-08 14:57|| Front Page Top

#26 I think we should make an effort to lift up pre-Islamic lawgivers from the region. Particularly those of Persian decent. Show them that they were once great before Islam told them everything including the proper way to wipe their butts.

Posted by rjschwarz">rjschwarz 2006-02-08 15:08|| rjschwarz.com]">[rjschwarz.com] 2006-02-08 15:08|| Front Page Top

#27 Trailing Wife:
Okay. Bunkering down while disregarding, dismissing or alienating allies didn't work at Masada. Blind obedience is un-American. Respectfully, how would you assess the current state of the War on Terror?

Posted by Ulimble Shoth9170 2006-02-08 16:20|| 2006-02-08 16:20|| Front Page Top

#28 HEROES OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION

Charles Martel, Lepanto-Poitiers, 732
Marco d'Aviano, Gates of vienna, 1683
George W. Bush, Persia, 2006

Posted by Mark Z 2006-02-08 16:34|| 2006-02-08 16:34|| Front Page Top

#29
why would a "new poster" [Ulimble Shoth9170] include a disclaimer in their first comment.

Posted by RD 2006-02-08 16:35|| 2006-02-08 16:35|| Front Page Top

#30 If you examine the amount of text in the article devoted to formalized ritualistic praise for Allah and Mohammed, it becomes rather clear that Islam is so backwards due to wasted time and energy penning all that mandatory drivel in order to write the simplest message.

No wonder Christianity has outpaced Islam so noticeably. They settled for a short, concise and one-size-fits-all "amen".

Posted by Zenster 2006-02-08 16:52|| 2006-02-08 16:52|| Front Page Top

#31 Replace him with Ronald McDonald.

Posted by radrh8r 2006-02-08 16:56|| 2006-02-08 16:56|| Front Page Top

#32 RD:
Suspicious minds want to know what?

You know what's positive? We have 140,000 troops in Iraq, and several carrier groups in the Middle East. If Ashura lunacy puts US troops in jeopardy, who is going to give a rat's ass about the wishes of the Iraqi people? The toon-jihad should empty any hearts and minds' based, tactical sandbags. Anything goes now; except love-bombs.

Posted by Greater Unonter5832 2006-02-08 18:44|| 2006-02-08 18:44|| Front Page Top

#33 Trailing Wife:
Okay. Bunkering down while disregarding, dismissing or alienating allies didn't work at Masada. Blind obedience is un-American. Respectfully, how would you assess the current state of the War on Terror?

I'm really not the one to ask, Ulimble Shoth9170, as I'm just a little housewife living in the American Midwest. OldSpook, Fred, or a great many others can probably give you a much better answer. That said, and since you did ask so very nicely, I'll give it my best shot. But you must promise not to do more than smile gently, until one of Rantburg's cleverer people helps me out.

Masada was a lovely gesture, although ineffective, because it was the final stage of revolt by a small and technologically less advanced subject people against the most advanced and militarized empire then extant. And the historic record shows that the rest of the Jewish community in the Roman Empire, the Diaspora which vastly outnumbered that which lived in Judah, etc, did not at all support what they saw as a stupid and unnecesary revolt by a bunch of religious fanatics. The Israelis, on the other hand, while small population-wise in comparison to the surrounding Arab hordes (if I recall correctly, on the order of 5 million Israelis to 500 million Arabs, although I could definitely be mistaken), is technologically far in advance of its enemies. Not to mention Israel's unadmitted-to but nonetheless real nuclear devices. It is my understanding that Israel's nukes were armed and loaded during the Yom Kippur War, and only the arrival of the arms-laden transport planes from America saved the Arab world from being turned to smoking glass. So I'll leave Masada where it sits in the Judean desert wastes, if you don't mind, and turn to the rest of your question. ;-)

As for the War on Terror, I think we are approaching the next major battle, that of Iran and its nuclear pretensions. In the meanwhile, the first two battles, that of Afghanistan (against the Taliban who hosted Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda headquarters) and Iraq (to finish the UN's war against terror-supporter and totalitarian tyrant Saddam Hussein) have been won, and mopping up action proceeds apace.

The Afghans more and more consider themselves a people working to build their nation, and not just members of family, clan and tribe; this is a first in Afghan history, and a major step toward joining the modern world. For the first time in a generation the Afghans are not convulsed by fighting along all of the faultlines of Afghan society, nor by fighting against outside invaders, except for the Taliban/Al Qaeda/Pushtun goons sent across the border by Pakistan's secret service, the ISI. For the most part they are eager for the improvements brought by NATO forces: roads, wells, schools for their children. And they have very enthusiastically participated in elections, to the point Rantburgers posted stories of veiled women (aka moving blue objects) trudged all night with their children to the polling place in order to vote, despite believing Taliban threats that all women who attempted to vote would be killed. The Afghan economy is growing like a weed, although admittedly one large stem of that weed is in the poppy fields, and the vast number of those refugees who fled the Taliban have now returned to re-establish their lives.

In Iraq, the situation is somewhat similar. The Kurds are quietly flourishing, participating in politics at the national level, as well as fine tuning the processes of local, democratic rule. Should Iraq eventually split into thirds (Kurd, Sunni, Shiite), the Kurds will merely need to raise a new flag and decide on their currency; all else is already happening. The Shiites are struggling, true, because their radicals can't decide whether to take over Iraq on the basis of population, or whether to let Iran run them, as Iran has been striving mightily to do. The majority of Shiites, though, are not radical, and aren't even terribly religious, and they want to make Iraq work. Perhaps after they get revenge on the Sunnis, who did Saddam's dirty work. And besides, they're discoving how much more fun it is to play politics rather than murder everyone they disagree with, and be murdered in return.

The Sunnis? They are a problem. They believe they are the natural lords of all they survey, and that the Kurds and the Sunnis are naturally meant to be ruled. They see murder and mayhem as the left-hand tools to regaining their former position, as politics and democracy are the right-hand tools. However, their insurgency is the work of former Baathists, and they are increasingly angered by the actions of the foreign jihadis brought in by Al Qaeda, who by their indiscriminate attacks have turned the Tribes and the formerly supportive Sunni populace against them. We've seen reports posted here of actual battles between native Iraqi insurgents and A.Q, and between a number of tribes based in various cities, and the A.Q. units attempting to take them over. We've also had reports here from several Rantburgers currently posted over there, of a number of military successes and arrests due to the large number of quiet tips they are receiving from the locals.

Can we accomplish our goals in Iraq? The first goal, to put Saddam Hussein out of business as a threat to the region, has been accomplished. Our first goal in Afghanistan, to remove Al Qaeda's base, has been accomplished. Osama bin Laden, the businessman who put terrorism on a businesslike footing, is no longer in control, and the local organizations in Afghanistan and Iraq are suffering from lack of funds, a slowing trickle of volunteers, and a quicker removal by arrest or death of the skilled management layer than they can be replaced. Things could rapidly go pear-shaped, however, should we foolishly give up military control, likely for at least a generation.

As for the War on Terror overall? Well, we aren't losing any more. There hasn't been a successful attack on American soil since 9/11/2001, and I'm sure it isn't because the local Al Qaeda affiliates weren't trying. There have been successful attacks elsewhere (Madrid, London, Bali, etc), but not nearly as many as planned, because most law enforcement and secret service organizations have been hunting down terror wannabes in large numbers. The Beur "youths" rioted, attacking people and burning cars in Paris, but they didn't accomplish a major terror attack. Muslims are marching and making faces about the cartoons, but thus did they develop and harden European opposition to acquiescing to Muslim rule.

And far out of sight, Special Forces from all the armies of the Coalition nations, including, I strongly suspect, Israel, are working to set up Militant Islam's next defeats, and to prevent Al Qaeda affiliates from finding a safe haven where they can train up the next generation.

President Bush has started calling this the "Long War." You may not like the man, but he has done a good many things right. I do believe he's right about the War on Terror, too -- I believe that it will take at minimum a generation to defeat those who choose the path of jihad to establish their World-wide Muslim Caliphate; it may well take another generation to defeat the idea of the Caliphate altogether. And if we give up in the meantime, it's likely the war will be lost. You and yours may merely have to choose between accepting Islam or dhimmitude. I and mine will be at the receiving end of a rusty sword, no choices offered.

I hope you find this (sorry!) overly long disquisition helpful.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-08 19:12|| 2006-02-08 19:12|| Front Page Top

#34 Trailing: Thanks. It's always a joy to read your comments.

Posted by Hupomoger Clans9827 2006-02-08 19:17|| 2006-02-08 19:17|| Front Page Top

#35 *blush* Hupomoger Clans9827, you are a dear. Much of what I know I've learned here at Rantburg, from those who actually know things. I hope others here will weigh in to correct my many errors, whether of fact or of understanding.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-08 19:20|| 2006-02-08 19:20|| Front Page Top

#36 TW, great post. You are far too humble in your self-assessment as your knowledge of history and analysis of current events contributes mightily to the curriculum here at Rantburg U.

Posted by remoteman 2006-02-08 20:14|| 2006-02-08 20:14|| Front Page Top

#37 Ditto, RM! TW is a joy to read when she lets loose, lol. Her summaries are remarkably telling and cogent regards how we're actually doing here in the RB bubble - and at large.

*hint - more often, plz, lol*

*applause*

Posted by .com 2006-02-08 20:22|| 2006-02-08 20:22|| Front Page Top

#38 remoteman, .com, you just want me to call you dears, too. ;-) Thank you for your kind and gallant words. Keep it up, and the swelling of my self esteem will help me finally grow past that 5' barrier I approach so asymtotically. (152 cm for those of you who use a more rational system -- I really am a little housewife). But let us not forget that the quality of a synthesis is directly related to the information on which it is based -- and this is Rantburg.

And if I am wrong, either the West will get to enjoy the doubtful joys of dhimmitude, or the Muslim world will be entirely too well glassed over. Neither of which counts as a win for our side, although of the two I find the second preferable for the sake of the future of our species.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-08 21:26|| 2006-02-08 21:26|| Front Page Top

#39 trailing wife, you are a true credit to Rantburg. Your lucid synopsis is solid testimony to just how much can be learned at this fabulous web site. I, too, must applaud your good work. Thank you so much, especially for a consistent level of civility that remains a model to us all.

Posted by Zenster 2006-02-08 22:12|| 2006-02-08 22:12|| Front Page Top

#40 Okay, just finished TW's excellent report. What is alarming me is the time line. She must type at the speed of light. I'm lost in a sea of awe.

Posted by wxjames 2006-02-08 22:18|| 2006-02-08 22:18|| Front Page Top

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