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2006-02-24 Europe

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Posted by plainslow 2006-02-24 07:59|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 'Bout' damn time.

Posted by raptor 2006-02-24 09:00|| 2006-02-24 09:00|| Front Page Top

#2 They have more spine then most of the West. At least they are being true to thier beliefs.

Posted by plainslow 2006-02-24 10:08|| 2006-02-24 10:08|| Front Page Top

#3 This, Nigeria, Denmark. I wonder if we've reached a tipping point on Islamism. I've been fed up for decades. It's good to see others feel the same.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-02-24 10:17|| 2006-02-24 10:17|| Front Page Top

#4 Vatican prelates have been concerned by recent killings of two Catholic priests in Turkey and Nigeria.

Concerned? I'd be a little more than concerned if I were them.

Posted by Ulinelet Spaing9954 2006-02-24 10:24|| 2006-02-24 10:24|| Front Page Top

#5 I think this will have as much effect as a sternly written UN letter of repremand.

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2006-02-24 10:42|| 2006-02-24 10:42|| Front Page Top

#6 Christians make up only a tiny fraction of the population in most Muslim countries.

Now. Even 50 years ago Christians were a substantial proportion of the population.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-02-24 10:58|| 2006-02-24 10:58|| Front Page Top

#7 Wouldn't that tighten the old turbans? On the other hand, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the thought of Arab Baptists...

I don't know, plains...I'm Baptist and we have some FINE BBQ (pork no less) dinners on the grounds! A lot better than the other options, lol!

I actually see this as a HUGE movement in the Catholic church (from touchy-feely "turn the other cheek" stuff to actually (albeit, only verbally) fighting back). Those of us on the Protestant side of the house have always been fighters. Heck, in my church, we PRAISE our troops, encourage them to attend in uniform, and around July 4th have a service dedicated to the military (with the respective songs sung for each of the armed services, including Coast Guard). Even ask for all veterans to stand (who, obviously, mostly are out of uniform) and I'm always shocked how many vets (even of the WWII age) we have in our congregation. These statements are a few days old and COULD (I don't know for sure) have pushed the Nigerian Christians into actually (physically) fighting back against the Muslims there. Much like Radio Free Europe, or Bush's SoTU address to the Iranian PEOPLE, this serves to encourage a specific people (in this case, Catholics) to rise up and have "permission" to fight back!

Posted by BA 2006-02-24 11:00|| 2006-02-24 11:00|| Front Page Top

#8 "Enough now with this turning the other cheek! It's our duty to protect ourselves"

It's enough to Piss off the Pope!

Posted by DepotGuy 2006-02-24 12:01|| 2006-02-24 12:01|| Front Page Top

#9 I wonder if we've reached a tipping point on Islamism.

I say, yes. Modern communication (e.g., newspaper cartoons) and mobility have exponentially increased the points of contact that Islam has with the outside world. The global population is beginning to notice how so much of that contact generates nothing but friction. All of this is augmented by the frequency and way that Islam itself voluntarily instigates this friction and does so in a spectacularly offensive and atrocious manner.

The tipping point is being reached. Once the world perceives that the cost of trying to co-exist with Islam far exceeds the cost of exterminating Islam, the scales will tip and Islam will become an object of study for historians and ~~a few brave archaeologists in lead lined suits~~ scholars.

Posted by Zenster 2006-02-24 12:10|| 2006-02-24 12:10|| Front Page Top

#10 Vatican and Islam

Posted by I. B. DePrimate 2006-02-24 13:53|| 2006-02-24 13:53|| Front Page Top

#11 I think this will have as much effect as a sternly written UN letter of repremand.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam

(sniff) Do not underestimate that a sternly worded demarche can be devestating to the ego!

Posted by Inspector Clueso 2006-02-24 14:14|| 2006-02-24 14:14|| Front Page Top

#12 I'm Baptist and we have some FINE BBQ (pork no less) dinners on the grounds! A lot better than the other options, lol!

I actually see this as a HUGE movement in the Catholic church (from touchy-feely "turn the other cheek" stuff to actually (albeit, only verbally) fighting back). Those of us on the Protestant side of the house have always been fighters. Heck, in my church, we PRAISE our troops, encourage them to attend in uniform, and around July 4th have a service dedicated to the military (with the respective songs sung for each of the armed services, including Coast Guard). Even ask for all veterans to stand (who, obviously, mostly are out of uniform) and I'm always shocked how many vets (even of the WWII age) we have in our congregation. These statements are a few days old and COULD (I don't know for sure) have pushed the Nigerian Christians into actually (physically) fighting back against the Muslims there. Much like Radio Free Europe, or Bush's SoTU address to the Iranian PEOPLE, this serves to encourage a specific people (in this case, Catholics) to rise up and have "permission" to fight back!

I was referring to the idea of some of the fire and brimstone Baptist preachers I've run into, and more of them that I've heard of. Qazi, Fazl, and Sami are fire and brimstone preachers, too. My point was that it may actually be easier to change the theology than it will be to change the temperament. The Christians of Alexandria and Antioch were noted for their penchant for rioting before the Profit (PTUI) was a gleam in his daddy's eye. Imagine a post-Muslim Middle Eastern Protestantism, where everybody's free to issue his own fatwah.

Nor would I wax too rhapsodical over Protestantism's sterling record in defending the faith. Episcopalians, Unitarians, United Methodists, and the National Council of Churches Nobody Goes To are all Protestant, despite their occasional emulation of St. Peter in the Garden.

It would be amusing to watch a church full of Pashtuns passing the snakes, though.

Posted by Fred 2006-02-24 15:15|| 2006-02-24 15:15|| Front Page Top

#13 lol, Fred! Now, I'm gonna have a mental image of a snake-handling Pashtun, lol.

You're right on the Protestant thing though. I'd maybe reclassify Baptists into those hated "Evangelical" categories. I actually think those churches you mentioned who are getting into touchy-feely political arenas are NO CHURCHES at all, but just religious country clubs who are falling for today's multi-culti, "diversity" driven, "tolerant", open-minded to the point of their brains falling out crowds.

Posted by BA 2006-02-24 15:32|| 2006-02-24 15:32|| Front Page Top

#14 empty ritual centers for people without the imagination to become wiccans.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-02-24 15:34|| 2006-02-24 15:34|| Front Page Top

#15 Ok, now I've got an image of snake-handling Pushtuns with their brains falling out, while the preacher thunders about fire and brimstone from the pulpit, and the choir sings in the background. Thank goodness I've already eaten lunch, and it isn't quite time for tea!

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-24 15:35|| 2006-02-24 15:35|| Front Page Top

#16 #14, there are a few Episcopalian priests in PA who also do Druid ceremonies ....

sigh.

Posted by lotp 2006-02-24 15:39|| 2006-02-24 15:39|| Front Page Top

#17 Pass the Pork Ribs Abu.

Fire and Brimstone is a big turn off to most Protestants these days. More are Evangelical these days. I wonder if that is the case in Islam too?

Posted by Sock Puppet O' Doom 2006-02-24 16:14|| 2006-02-24 16:14|| Front Page Top

#18 I'd give it more credence than a "strongly worded UN declaration".

The Pope may not have a bunch of "divisions", but ol' JPII managed to do a number on communism.

Posted by Desert Blondie 2006-02-24 17:02|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]">[http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com] 2006-02-24 17:02|| Front Page Top

#19 lopt: #14, there are a few Episcopalian priests in PA who also do Druid ceremonies

Well, what they think are Druid ceremonies.

I can imagine the old archdruids saying, "You are neither warm nor cold..."

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-02-24 17:17|| 2006-02-24 17:17|| Front Page Top

#20 I grew up in St. Druids on the Main Line.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-02-24 17:32|| 2006-02-24 17:32|| Front Page Top

#21 Yes, I rather imagine they would spit them out .... ;-)

Posted by lotp 2006-02-24 17:33|| 2006-02-24 17:33|| Front Page Top

#22 Well, Merlin crossed a few lines..

Posted by 3dc 2006-02-24 18:17|| 2006-02-24 18:17|| Front Page Top

#23 When the last pope kissed the koran I almost schit my pants. Enough is enough and I wish this pope nothing but good luck. Heh, maybe we will get lucky and he'll call for another crusade!?

What I don't get is how anyone can expect a terrorist worshipper to act civil. Muhamhead never did and the porkoran is pretty clear about the conversion or death thing.

Posted by Ebbique Thromoth8192 2006-02-24 19:04|| 2006-02-24 19:04|| Front Page Top

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