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2007-02-18 Fifth Column

Senate Democrats Promise 'relentless' Flood Of Anti-War Legislation

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Posted by Dave D. 2007-02-18 11:02|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 This ain't gonna be pretty. Those of you who are too young to remember the ignominious end of the Vietnam war are about to get a taste of what the 70's were like:

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-02-18 11:18|| 2007-02-18 11:18|| Front Page Top

#2 Not going to happen. Bush isn't dumb enough to sponsor a second rate burglary at the Jimmah Cahtah Center. There won't be a class of '74 and there won't be a cutoff of funds.

The donks will get their Big Chill weekends like this, but the war will go on to a successful conclusion. No matter who's in the White House.

Posted by Hussein Obama 2007-02-18 11:23|| 2007-02-18 11:23|| Front Page Top

#3 Democracy will only prevail when the nation has a common vision and the elected leaders work together toward that vision. We are in the midst of a civil war of another nature. The people are getting lied to by the MSM, who support the far left, the far left have adopted socialist leftist ideals and blame the government. They act as if they are not part of the process. Hillary and Pelosie look at themselves as a modern Che or Marx leading the revolution. The Democratic party has declaired the whole process a sham. They came in on a Saturday to conspire, hold a vote against our nation's leadership and the entire Democtatic process. They knew it was treason or they would have made it a binding vote right from the start. They were just testing the waters to see how the American public would react. Any governing body that assembles outside of the formal process to condemn their leader and vote to put the process in contempt are doing nothing more than setting the stage for the revolution they were preaching for in the 60's. Iraq is the least important problem we have here.

Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan 2007-02-18 11:23|| 2007-02-18 11:23|| Front Page Top

#4 Espionage & Sedition Acts

They were created just for this reason. Democracy is many but one. That means that we are many arguing and such until the vote at which point agree or not we are all ONE in our goal of success victory. What the Dums propose as Democracy is nothing of the sort it is many diverse dissent none. That my friends is Anarchy, when everyone can argue that once we vote and engage no one is obligated to go along as one if they dissent or dissagree not only that those who dissent can openly work to undermine Sedition of the majorities decsion.

When Congress voted to engage way back when and the majority of the people spoke to confirm in 04' the decision was made. It is everyones duty obligation under democracy to work towards victory wether they agree or not. Anything short is un-patriotic at the least or Seditionist-Traitorist at worst.

We need a leader with a sack to check these pansie f*cks. The gloves need to come off not just over there but over here. They want to roll lets roll.

Posted by C-Low 2007-02-18 11:34|| 2007-02-18 11:34|| Front Page Top

#5 Amen C-low. But it ain't gonna happen. Not unless something here demands that we band together and that most likely will be our very survival if we don't. I hate it, but it is gonna take us getting hit, hard with massive casualties and disruption of the economy for us to pull our heads out of our asses.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-02-18 11:40|| 2007-02-18 11:40|| Front Page Top

#6 they'll get Giuliani elected. Uncle Walter's not here to lie and spin for them. The NYT article today sez the "Republicans block debate on Iraq War", which is a out-and-out factual lie. Cloture votes are to cut off debate, and the Reps would not cut off debate. The Reps wanted to be able to vote on their alternative and Reid, fearing for his party wouldn't allow that to happen. The excessive bravado from Schumer is to save face since they only got a handful of Reps to join them in the House and Senate, but not nearly enough to spin as a "bipartisan" rebuke to the POTUS

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-02-18 11:44|| 2007-02-18 11:44|| Front Page Top

#7 I hope your right frank.

Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan 2007-02-18 11:46|| 2007-02-18 11:46|| Front Page Top

#8 This actually prompted me to get off my butt and go re-read the morning paper to make sure this reflects what I read. Those lying bast@rds in the press completely re-cast the vote to look like a denial of debate instead of defeating cloture to cut off debate. Reiad was trying to Saturday Massacre the Republicans with a weekend surprise and ram through a vote on his resolution and his resolution alone. The Republicans wanted debate to continue so that they could introduce competing resolutions. This utter dishonesty on the part of the press has sunk to new lows, and sadly, I suspect many of the print media who picked up the story had editors who are literally too ignorant of the procedural game in the Senate to understand what the dems and Reid were trying to do. This manipulation of the truth to fit agenda journalism is a new low, and invokes the 70's version of john "f--king" kerry openly making things up to make spicy anti-war testimony to the senate as a precursor to his career in politics. God this kind of crap makes me mad....
at a time when good, decent American kids are doing what's right, to have this kind of cowardly bulls-it pulled to undermine them. The worst of it, the dems don't want the kids out, and they don't want to fund the surge, they want kids to die every day to give them political advantage to reclaim their power to take us down the road of socialism and world government, eletist visionaries that they are..... craven beyond belief.......
Sorry, but this is Rantburg and that one was due....

Posted by JustAboutEnough">JustAboutEnough 2007-02-18 12:41|| 2007-02-18 12:41|| Front Page Top

#9 "...I suspect many of the print media who picked up the story had editors who are literally too ignorant of the procedural game in the Senate to understand what the dems and Reid were trying to do."

Oh, I think they know full well what the Democrats were trying to do-- and they deliberately, knowingly chose to lie about it.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-02-18 12:53|| 2007-02-18 12:53|| Front Page Top

#10 I have long believed that the Dhimmis are not the main enemy, the MSM is. This is due to their control of the message that gets out.

Posted by Brett 2007-02-18 13:01|| 2007-02-18 13:01|| Front Page Top

#11 It's not ignorance. Washington journalists self identified themselves as 93% Democrat party affiliation, much more slanted to the left than any other respectable profession in the nation. The news media know they control the flow of information and debate and have always used that power. The only difference is that now people can get together online and easily point out the partisanship, falsehoods and hypocrisy.

The only solution I see to to acknowlegde the cruel fiction of a "nonpartisan professional journalism" and return to media outlets owned by political parties, instead of beholden to only one party.

Posted by ed 2007-02-18 13:07|| 2007-02-18 13:07|| Front Page Top

#12 Serious insight Frank. Thanks.

Posted by Shipman 2007-02-18 13:23|| 2007-02-18 13:23|| Front Page Top

#13

"There will be resolution after resolution, amendment after amendment . . . just like in the days of Vietnam," Schumer said.

Gee, Mr. Schumer, you sound so sincere. Let me help you with the wording on your next resolution:

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall NO LONGER pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. Particularly the liberty of Arabs. And particularly if a Republican is in the White House.

No need to thank me - it's always a pleasure to help out such an esteemed ~~loser America-hating treasonous asshole~~ Senator as you.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2007-02-18 13:25|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2007-02-18 13:25|| Front Page Top

#14 The Democrats have crafted a "We Win No Matter Who Else Loses"© strategy.

If the insurgency stopped tomorrow, the Dems are heroes, because, "Our threats to pull out made the Iraqis stand up for themselves. We win!"

If the insurgency slowly dies out, they'll take the credit the same way, and who will deny them? The MSM?

If they suceed in withdrawing the troops before the insurgency does out, then they STILL win: "We knew all along it was another Vietnam, and it was Bush's impossible dream."

Color me cynical.

I guess they only way they might lose if if the surge quells the fighting immediately, and the violence never comes back.

Posted by Bobby 2007-02-18 13:32|| 2007-02-18 13:32|| Front Page Top

#15 Ship, no problem...I occasionally break from clowning around. This weekend's vote was a serious drubbing for the Donks, don't believe the spin. They will eventually be forced to vote "yea or nea" on actually cutting off funds for the WOT, and they are deathly afraid of that. They know that it would cement (for another 30 years) their image of anti-war/anti-military/anti-victory. They are also deathly afraid of the returning troops saying what they think to the American public. Watch for the MSM to start spinning "mass-PTS syndrome" to discredit articulate smart American warriors saying "the Donks undercut our mission"

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-02-18 13:35|| 2007-02-18 13:35|| Front Page Top

#16 The only way the Dems in Congress can lose is if the Capitol gets nuked with Congress in session. Or if they get voted out.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-02-18 13:42|| 2007-02-18 13:42|| Front Page Top

#17 NOW can we talk about eliminating traitors? Peacefully if possible, but in the end these traitors HAVE to go. They have no place in a constitutional republic. I think the reason Kerry won't release his war records is that it will show that he was dishonorably discharged for consorting with the enemy in Paris. Kennedy is just a far-left slush. Schumer wants power, and will do anything for it. Most of the rest of the donkeys are just stupid. Their next trick is to raise taxes to support a war they don't want to be engaged in.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2007-02-18 13:53|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2007-02-18 13:53|| Front Page Top

#18 They are also deathly afraid of the returning troops saying what they think to the American public.

You're on a roll today, Frank. :-) The Democrats should be afraid. Because the troops won't just say what they think; a significant, if small, number will actually gird their loins and run for office at all levels. And they've been taught how to be effective at whatever they turn their hands to. No doubt about a quarter run as Democrats, and they'll change the party from within even as their Republican comrades change the playing field altogether.

Or so it seems to me, in my naivete.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-02-18 13:56|| 2007-02-18 13:56|| Front Page Top

#19 The Democrats were the only party recruiting Iraq veterans to run for office.

Posted by ed 2007-02-18 14:04|| 2007-02-18 14:04|| Front Page Top

#20 "They are also deathly afraid of the returning troops saying what they think to the American public."

I don't think they're afraid, not even a little bit. All they have to do is recruit the kinds of veterans they did after Vietnam-- people like Murtha, and Kerry-- and they'll have inoculated themselves against criticism because their paid propagandists in the media will cover for their lying asses.

And they ARE recruiting them, unlike the Republicans who, as usual, are clueless as a bag of rocks.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-02-18 14:12|| 2007-02-18 14:12|| Front Page Top

#21 "NOW can we talk about eliminating traitors?"

In my opinion, we reached that point a long time ago. Unfortunately, here at Rantburg we can't say much more than that, not without creating liability problems for Fred.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-02-18 14:20|| 2007-02-18 14:20|| Front Page Top

#22 We can't do anything anyway. Years ago, I supported Judicial Watch. They had the Clintons hands down. What happened ? Well, delays, leftist judges, interference run by the Atourney General (Bush's AG), This filing, that extension, then yet another filing.
What it boils down to is that lawyers can drag out judicial procedure ad nauseum.
Other than freedom of the press, the one part of American democracy that does NOT work is the Judiciary. Even as we speak, two border control officers are incarcerated without a shread of evidence that a crime was committed.
When the end comes, folks, as Jackson said, 'show them the bayonet.'

Posted by wxjames 2007-02-18 15:15|| 2007-02-18 15:15|| Front Page Top

#23 Without creating liability or otherwise seemingly threatening language we need to make sure the country has a sufficient number of well-armed, and mutually trusting, citizens who will rise to the occasion when the Democrat-PC-Islamophile alliance launches a civil war. How does that happen? something like committees of correspondence?

If we can't win abroad, mainly due to treason at home, the battle will by necessity become domestic. That's what we can learn from history. On a personal level, I don't feel I'm ready for that.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2007-02-18 15:17|| 2007-02-18 15:17|| Front Page Top

#24 How about a nice traditional tar and feathering?

Posted by jds 2007-02-18 15:44|| 2007-02-18 15:44|| Front Page Top

#25 Without creating liability or otherwise seemingly threatening language we need to make sure the country has a sufficient number of well-armed, and mutually trusting, citizens who will rise to the occasion when the Democrat-PC-Islamophile alliance launches a civil war. How does that happen? something like committees of correspondence?

It's already being done, albeit on a small scale. But the momentum is building. The problem is keeping the organization pure, and free of pesky busy-bodies. And you know who I mean.

Hard to say what will be the trigger, but it probably won't be what we assume.

Posted by Omolurt Elmeaper6990 2007-02-18 16:29|| 2007-02-18 16:29|| Front Page Top

#26 Already being done? I'm armed and ready.

Posted by jds 2007-02-18 16:43|| 2007-02-18 16:43|| Front Page Top

#27 There will be an incident that will galvanize citizens. Look through US history: revolution, War between the States, etc. It is going to get ugly.

Lieberman sees a constitutional crisis, well let it come. If we do not deal with traitorous behavior (and I am not dealing in hyperbole here), our republic will fall, to the delight of tyrants everywhere. Our biggest enemy is here, smack dab inside of our borders, and the Republican Party has been too busy slopping at the trough of corruption to do what needs to be done. It will be up to citizens to save this country. The 2 parties have sold their souls long ago.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2007-02-18 16:58|| 2007-02-18 16:58|| Front Page Top

#28 Unfortunately, few people will actually learn of this perfidy, due to the MSM, whom I believe is the real enemy here as they are the ones who turn up into down, left into right and inside to outside. Most 'mericans don't know about or just don't see the amazingly large bias in the news. If we just read the MSM, wouldn't we think we are being creamed in Iraq? Of course as that is their meme. US=Chimpy McBushitler's christofascist imperialistic warmongerers!

The MSM is my main worry as their "filter" is far left anti-Americanism, and they ~~make up~~ write what fits that concept. Or, they just make shit up, i.e. "macaca", to smear those not in their worldview. Worthless bastards.

Posted by Brett 2007-02-18 17:01|| 2007-02-18 17:01|| Front Page Top

#29 The MSM is my main worry as their "filter" is far left anti-Americanism, and they make up write what fits that concept. Or, they just make shit up, i.e. "macaca", to smear those not in their worldview. Worthless bastards.

It isn't just the media Brett, it is the colleges as well. An associate of mine sent a bright sensible young woman off to college, and got back a foaming at the mouth commie. The girls major? Journalism!

And he only paid a couple hundred G's for the honor. The colleges and the media need to be cleaned out! I'd advocate doing the number on them first, I think the Donks would come right around real quick without the media covering for them or carrying their water.

Posted by Omolurt Elmeaper6990 2007-02-18 18:49|| 2007-02-18 18:49|| Front Page Top

#30 OK, so the Senate was debating Reid's resolution. I suppose they could try to amend it. But the resolution was on the floor; how do the Republicans introduce a competing resolution without actually bringing Reid's to a vote first?

Posted by KBK 2007-02-18 21:50|| 2007-02-18 21:50|| Front Page Top

#31 FOX > Mostly Lefty US Medias HATE THE WAR; + DEMS > INTERNAL DIVISIONS-FACTIONALISM GOING ON BETWEEN PRO-USA vz ANTI-USA, MODERATE LEFT vz FAR/RADICAL LEFT, LEFTIST-CONSERVATIVISTS for control of the Party. Moderate Lefties fighting hard but losing ground to Radics. THREATS OF FILIBUSTERS EVERYWHERE = NOWHERE.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-02-18 23:58|| 2007-02-18 23:58|| Front Page Top

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