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2005-02-14 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by CrazyFool 2005-02-14 9:36:57 AM|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 And the illegals keep pouring into "my" state California, from Asia and Mexico.

Posted by home on the range 2005-02-14 10:38:38 AM|| 2005-02-14 10:38:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The Dims are probably also upset about the "chilling effect" that Bank Guards have on holdup men who are in the bank to conduct "financial transactions".

Posted by Justrand 2005-02-14 10:53:08 AM|| 2005-02-14 10:53:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 It is voluntary. If you choose to continue issuing licenses to illegals, our State DL's will no longer qualify as adequate ID to board planes, drive in other states, etc... :-)

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-14 11:22:33 AM|| 2005-02-14 11:22:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 About bloody time. Now all they have to do is add a biometric component to the driver's license, say a thumbprint (to be searched in the FBI/CIA files before the DL is issued), and I will be happy.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-02-14 11:40:43 AM|| 2005-02-14 11:40:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 The Democrats are upset about the link to Motor-Voter and the corresponding reduction in new Democrat voters that enforcement of this bill would have. Hopefully Bill Frist has the juice to get this through the Senate in spite of Ted Kennedy, et. al.

Posted by RWV 2005-02-14 12:44:15 PM|| 2005-02-14 12:44:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 This "Real ID" driver's license component of the bill should be a deal-killer because this is just a back door way of instituting a national ID card. These enhanced driver's licenses can then be used as a sneaky way of instituting gun registration, keeping databases about the habits of law-abiding citizens, and otherwise abusing our privacy. As much as it pains me to say it, I'm with the ACLU on this one.

Posted by Jonathan 2005-02-14 12:49:15 PM|| [http://www.workaround.blogspot.com] 2005-02-14 12:49:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 The issue of legality should be the top talking point in Senate debate. Almost every American I know, no matter his politics, appreciates the argument that people who come here illegally are first law-breakers, and second are individuals diverting public monies, bureaucratic energies and economic opportunities away from legal residents. Illegal immigration attacks our basic notions of fairness and justice.

Time to develop a strategy for how to counter accusations of racism, which is NOT the basis of American resentment of illegal aliens but IS what we will be hearing from folks against the legislation. Our largest group of illegal aliens, Mexicans, fit well into our country/culture. It's the law-breaking and the two sets of rules for immigration (one for Mexicans and the other for everybody else) that upsets Americans.

Posted by Jules 187 2005-02-14 12:59:49 PM|| 2005-02-14 12:59:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 National ID card? Yeah, I have one -- it's called a "passport".

Posted by Tom 2005-02-14 1:17:23 PM|| 2005-02-14 1:17:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 "The asylum laws have often been misused by terrorists and illegal aliens. "

Has there every been an act of terrorism committed in the US by someone here under asylum?

Posted by VAMark 2005-02-14 2:02:23 PM|| 2005-02-14 2:02:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 When's the last time you used your Passport to cash a check? How about anywhere else that the product or service wasn't travel-related?

The driver's license is the defacto National Id - so that's where the goddamned effort must be placed. All this Big Brother fear-mongering. You guys scofflaws? You got something to hide?

Bitch about security, keeping illegals out, enforcing immigration laws, but flinch like little girls firing a shotgun for the first time when the Pres and the Pubs try to put teeth into the key bit - the identification.

Can't have it both ways, folks. Either you put teeth into the law and focus it where society looks - the driver's license - or quit bitchin' and whinin' about all the tax dollars and dangers.

Go ahead, let your fantasy fears overcome good sense. Don't care more for your family and your neighbors safety more than your imagined right to be anonymous unless you say otherwise. Yeah, baby, that's the ticket.

Sheesh. Go overseas to some truly unsafe place for a few years, see how it works, then tell me how bad this proposed law is, lol!

Posted by .com 2005-02-14 2:16:45 PM|| 2005-02-14 2:16:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 .com-The only blogger I see against it on this thread is Jonathan and arguably Tom.

Posted by Jules 187 2005-02-14 2:36:12 PM|| 2005-02-14 2:36:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Has there every been an act of terrorism committed in the US by someone here under asylum?

Yes. 1993 WTC bombing -- Ramzi Yousef claimed asylum, then skipped his hearing.

Next question?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-02-14 2:36:35 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-02-14 2:36:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 "...add a biometric component to the driver's license, say a thumbprint (to be searched in the FBI/CIA files before the DL is issued)..."

Checked the mag stripe on the back of your DL lately, TW?

Posted by mojo 2005-02-14 3:03:55 PM|| 2005-02-14 3:03:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 There are some other little provisions tucked into this bill. One concerns a section of the security fence along the California/Mexico border. It has been blocked for years over environmental lawsuits. This bill says that any previous laws (e.g. ESA) may not be used to obstruct this wall, and that the courts have no jurisdiction over it.

Posted by jackal 2005-02-14 4:30:34 PM|| [http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-02-14 4:30:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 nor does the California Coastal Commission. The enviros were up in arms today

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-14 4:34:34 PM|| 2005-02-14 4:34:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Frank, the enviros have become predictable to the point of self-parody. Do you think anyone listens anymore?

I still think that the political opposition to stemming the tide of illegal immigration is rooted in motor-voter, absentee ballots, and the feeling of entitlement among certain groups to commit vote fraud.

Posted by RWV 2005-02-14 5:45:33 PM|| 2005-02-14 5:45:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Tough, my ass. I can tell without reading it it's not really tough if either house of Congress passed it.

They can't handle tough.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2005-02-14 5:47:21 PM|| 2005-02-14 5:47:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 .com:
I'm with Johnathan. I've never really been a big believer in the comming Mexican apocalypse that people like Micheal Savage keep telling us about. In a generation or two Mexican's become Americans, save for better cuisine and a few words of Spanish. I have seen evidence of this in my own family, who are Redneck-Italian-Irish-Philipino-Mexican's. Mongrels, like any good bunch of Americans.

Frankly, I am a resident of California who owns guns, speaks his mind, and runs a business. In other words, an enemy of the Donk state. As are most of the other California posters at this site. I do not trust the government on privacy issues and civil rights for a moment, not after what I have experienced here.

Find another way to solve this problem. I don't want president Hillary Clinton tracking me at some point in the future.

Posted by Secret Master 2005-02-14 6:30:06 PM|| 2005-02-14 6:30:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Now make it so legal immigrants have to register at the police station, so everyone knows where they live. I've had to do that in every foreign country that I've lived in. Had to show a copy of the lease, my passport, etc. They tracked down the building I lived in on the map and made sure it existed. Overstay your visa, and sooner or later someone will arrive to knock on your door.

My foreign friends never believe me when I tell them how easy it is for them in the United States. Get this, they're actually afraid that INS will come after them!

Posted by gromky 2005-02-14 7:20:07 PM|| 2005-02-14 7:20:07 PM|| Front Page Top

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