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2006-02-03 Africa North

Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood may be adaptation of political Islam

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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-02-03 00:51|| || Front Page|| [11141 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 After WW2, Venezuela and Cuba indulged political-Marxism. (Few are aware that Cuban President Batista was the first Latin leader to include Communists in his Cabinet). The result of this indulgence? Communist organizations embraced both political- and revolutionary-Marxism, a policy continued in the "doble cara" (two-faced) practices of Central American Communists in the Seventies. Fortunately, US governments of those days chose to support repression of Communists and, although the Castro tyranny sneaked into power in Cuba, Communist expansion was effectively contained.

Why has the current US regime embraced political-Islam to the point of both coercing Egypt's secular government to legalize the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood and to releasing two-thirds of the 19,000 MB animals that they had locked up on Sept. 11, 2001. The dogmatic basis of this inclusivism is: let them vote and those of the "noble faith" will come to embrace Western values, and adopt friendly attitudes to America. Reality dictates asking: where is the evidence that inclusivism either has worked, or can possibly work? Subsidized political-Islam is a disaster, as the cartoon contraversy has revealed: given indulgence, Muslims will take license to embrace jihad terror. Sanctioned revolutionary-Islam, whose terrorists expand bloody operations, combined with subsidized political-Islam, which works to defeat counter-terror, is a recipe for catastrophe. Chamberlain is dead; Chamberlainism lives and thrives.

Posted by CaziFarkus 2006-02-03 03:14|| 2006-02-03 03:14|| Front Page Top

#2 NaziFartus - Geez you're the ass-end of a one-trick pony.

Egypt was and is a tyranny. Mubarak didn't lock up MuzBros for us - he did it for himself.

Yes, Bush is trying to liberalize the M.E. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't. No one has ever tried any of this before. And you know what? He has to try, whether you like it or not. Apparently that fact is just too deep for you to comprehend.

There's what you "know", which consists of carefully selected factoids from the books you advertise you're reading or your favorite websites, piled up as some sort of altar of truth, and then there's the shit you pull out of your ass and present as the conclusion. It's far less compelling to those who do not share your illness than you obviously hope.

Three things are absofuckinglutely certain:

1) Many of your posts, when the cherry-picked nuggets are sifted, analyzed, and set aside, reveal a core that's solely obsessed with laying the entire world's ills and blame at Bush's feet. What absurd drivel. It's BDS of a particularly twisty-curvy variety, but BDS nonetheless.

2) The world was seriously fucked up looong before Bush ever came on the scene - and he has done and will do infinitely more to unfuck it than you. This will be true for all eternity.

3) You are tedious and inane.

Have a very nice day.

Posted by .com 2006-02-03 05:03|| 2006-02-03 05:03|| Front Page Top

#3 .com:

You don't think that the anguish that drives your ad hominem tangents, is plain and obvious? If you have lost a family member in the SLOG, then you might want to question the status quo ante: limited war in the face of a mortal enemy that is both strengthening every day, and broadening in its reach. So you refuse to read editorials which question whether democracy can work where would be embracers are programed to believe that only their deity may legislate. That wouldn't leave you with much reading material these days.

If you are passionate about counter-terror, then get out of the subjective spin swamp and posit something that will work. The Germans, the Japanese, the Russians could - and did - change after defeat and ideological collapse. I believe this enemy cannot. Bush-freedom is: a salient, their salient.

If the cartoon-rage reaches your neighborhood, then you might channel your bellicosity against the real enemy.

Posted by CaziFarkus 2006-02-03 09:51|| 2006-02-03 09:51|| Front Page Top

#4 Ok, can somebody tell me what a SLOG is? I know the answers to some of Mr. Farkus' questions (anguished because he's concluded that "fry 'em up" is likely to be the only workable response in the end, impatient with ignorant asses because he's met so many of them, knows from personal experience more than Mr. Farkus' fave editorialists, and anyway has a business to run between posting to Rantburg and dating Vegas chorus girls...) But even after googling, that SLOG thingie has me stumped.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-03 17:14|| 2006-02-03 17:14|| Front Page Top

#5 Call me Dorothy

Makes me think.. The M.E. seems to have gone through more psychological, impact and information-sharing changes in the past 2 years than they have experience in the past 2,000.

Even the rabble in remote caves have access to their neighbours sons friends internet reach to the outside world. Facts seem to be leaking in, some places. The screaming, gun-firing mobs can see themselves on tee-wee at night right along with and what must seem horrid juxtaposition eventually general news stories. Stories from more civilized parts.

The previously unheard-of thought (faint hope) of human rights is taking spark. Mind you, when the women of Palestine learn their first object lesson of democracy campaigners and politicians lie to get your vote (oh, by Allah, why the surprise? ) and find they dont get the freedoms and riches promised; there may be a few surprises for Hamas in future. Never underestimate the power of a women angered at being lied to. Remember Mum?

The cartoon furor may help. Give it time for the sight of their own reactions to come back via the same internet community. Faint hope. Some are starting to see it now. Iraqs comments intrigued a call for calm.

The slowly, slowly and unrelenting introduction to real dignity that Bush and America (an coalitions) seem to have been effecting in Afghanistan and Iraq may yet prove to be the most useful card in the deck. Self-pondering is starting to happen. May I venture miraculous if trend continues?

The tragic sinking of the Al Salaam provides a timely juxtaposition of justifiable rage and a clearer target for the true anger.

As the learnings of the last 2 years have catapulted change in the ME, there is now an abrupt upswing in access to media to a much larger audience, faster than ever before blogs and reasonable discourse available as never before and perhaps this mirror will effect change for the better. Sooner rather than too late, I hope. But it comes.

Ill tap my shoes 3 times and go home now.

Posted by Hupomoger Clans9827">Hupomoger Clans9827 2006-02-03 20:27|| 2006-02-03 20:27|| Front Page Top

#6 May the Powers-that-are grant your vision comes true in a human, rather than Godly, time frame, Dorothy/Hupomoger Clans9827. That's a much better idea than the total war that the Islamic world seems to be working to call down upon itself. I'll click my heels together, too, even if my shoes aren't silver. ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-03 22:08|| 2006-02-03 22:08|| Front Page Top

#7 Bush-freedom is: a salient, their salient.

This coming from someone who posts from Calgary, Alberta.

Ooops - used to post from Calgary, Alberta...

Posted by Pappy 2006-02-03 23:27|| 2006-02-03 23:27|| Front Page Top

#8 Pappy, I hope CaziFarkus is not banned. He is knowledgeable, articulate and adds to the discussion, even if some do not find his stridency palatable. Also as much as I dislike Aris and his Greek snobbish attitude, I found him articulate and hope he wasn't banned. Boris was another matter.

Posted by ed 2006-02-03 23:37|| 2006-02-03 23:37|| Front Page Top

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