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2004-02-02 Terror Networks

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Posted by Dan Darling 2004-02-02 12:08:09 AM|| || Front Page|| [11135 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 a global plan to first destroy the United States

heh heh

Gonna take a lot more than 2 buildings and 3000 people to do that. But hey, it's their suicide.

Posted by 4thInfVet 2004-2-2 12:17:17 AM|| 2004-2-2 12:17:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Japan thought they could take us out too.

Posted by Charles 2004-2-2 12:41:07 AM|| 2004-2-2 12:41:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Israel will be dealt with in the final stage of its global plan.

First they have to get through the first stage. There will be no stage beyond that, though. Sorry. Tough shit.

Posted by Rafael 2004-2-2 3:58:53 AM|| 2004-2-2 3:58:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 "Destroy" America: Another BLOODY TUESDAY or two and the US dollar will be worth less than a square of toilet tissue. Big dog money folks the world over will be getting out of US dollars, US investments and US bonds faster than the speed of light. Why any islamic fascist dictatorship, islamist theocracy, Wahhabi-teaching madrassah or mosque housing anti-America hatred spewing clerics is still standing is beyond my understanding. This is serious business and no one who would be President in the foreseeable future appears willing to wreck full and complete havoc among this nation's enemies.

Posted by Garrison 2004-2-2 7:54:33 AM|| 2004-2-2 7:54:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Another 'Bloody Tuesday' and there will be no middle east left to pollute our world. We'll burn them from the face of the planet. And what's left of islam and the followers of the pedophile will have to decide: join the current century or die.

Posted by AllahHateMe 2004-2-2 8:50:30 AM|| 2004-2-2 8:50:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 well garison and allahhateme, as we speak the might forces for appeasement are feverishly working; their weapons- apologists for Islam, PC big media, socialist University professors

Posted by mhw 2004-2-2 9:35:28 AM|| 2004-2-2 9:35:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Well, mhw, President Bush is hardly an appeaser or an apologist or too PC or too socialist or a professor. Consequently, he has no excuse for not having initiated a WWII-style mobilization of human and material resources marshalled against the Islamic Fascists. Unlike AHM, I believe the meltdown of the US economy is too high a price to pay for "no middle east left". Bloody Tuesday was more than sufficiently pricey to warrant ARMED pacification and reformation and modernization of all of Islamdom.

Posted by Garrison 2004-2-2 10:06:39 AM|| 2004-2-2 10:06:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 A recent recording made in Iraq by Abu Musaab Zarqawi... affirms the Israelisâ contention that it not only seeks the downfall of the West, but also a purge of Islamâs own "clerical establishment."
and...
A key short-term objective..., is "to destabilize" the various Arab and other Muslim states

heh, heh...I guess the overall plan is to destroy the mighty USA and Israel by first dividing and conquering themselves. Sounds like a good plan...if you are a grandiose megalomaniac with no grip on reality.

Posted by B 2004-2-2 10:24:06 AM|| 2004-2-2 10:24:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Actually Garrison, Bush DOES have a reason, we don't have at this time the manufacturing capacity to do WWII scale mobilizations of materials, and we'd need conscription to be passed for the personel which I can guarantee will not pass in congress currently. Hell didn't our last M1 tank production facility shut down a little while back? Now just imagine how it is for the rest of the military? Most of our stuff is outsourced due to idiotic belief in the JUST IN TIME supply idea of the 90's. Great for business...horrible for a military. No it'd take another attack, but we wouldn't depend on foreigners leaving the US dollar, the govt would then go on a sale spree with bonds just like it did in WWII. The dollar is a pretty flexible and rugged monetary unit.

Posted by Val 2004-2-2 10:25:22 AM|| 2004-2-2 10:25:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Actually the USA is far and away the least trade dependant western economy. The US dollar could go to complete ratshit (to use an Australian expression) and it wouldn't matter that much to the US economy. The price of cuddly toys would rocket in price but who cares. The depreciation in the USD hurts America's trading partners far more than the USA and I think the powers that be in the USA understand this.

Posted by phil_b 2004-2-2 10:40:42 AM|| 2004-2-2 10:40:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 besides, if we couldn't afford all that oil, we'd right quick get fuel cell technology and hybrid cars, etc. Then the rest of the world would have that technology too. Without all that oil income, who is going to fund the adventures of these spoiled Arab brats?

Posted by B 2004-2-2 10:48:16 AM|| 2004-2-2 10:48:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Slightly off topic, but I thought this was interesting (if not a bit exaggerated):

BOYCOTT WORKS TWO WAYS.
Several weeks ago, Germany announced its decision to stop all arms sales to Israel. Since then, other countries have followed suit. In response, Israel has canceled its annual multimillion dollar contract for its nationwide DAN buses which were manufactured in Germany, and is looking at other bus suppliers in the U.S., and Japan.
The Europeans and their Muslim allies should
understand that boycotts work both ways. When we said NEVER AGAIN, we meant it. Europe is stuck in the mentality of 1933 and conditioned to thinking of Jews as defenseless entities. The reality is very different. As long as Europe adheres to and supports its primitive Middle Ages death cult, European products must be off limits. We continue to call for a complete boycott of travel and products from the
following countries: France, Belgium, Spain, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Holland, and China, due to their support, sponsorship, and/or participation in global Islamic terror. The voting record of the above countries at the U..N openly endorses Muslim terror. Remember, every time you buy a bottle of Evian, a Carlsberg product, a Spanish melon, a Godiva chocolate, a Dior lipstick, a Gucci bag, or a German kitchen appliance, you are financing the next Muslim
mass murderer.
The European Union gives over $10 million per month to the Palestinian Authority, knowing full well that the money is funneled to buy, import, and train Muslim terrorists and their weapons of mass murder.
We strongly encourage everyone to buy Canadian,
American and Israeli products instead. Buy Estee
Lauder or Ahava instead of Chanel, Dior, and YSL.
Tell the salespeople why. Educate the public when you shop.
Europe is underwriting the Arab war to exterminate the Jewish state. We cannot sit idly by while this happens. Make your voice heard and let them feel the sting in their pocketbooks. Let the Europeans know that supporting terror does not pay.

Posted by Tibor 2004-2-2 10:53:16 AM|| 2004-2-2 10:53:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 They seem to forget that we have plenty of our own resources. The boycott will occur naturally as the dollar falls. You can't threaten to starve out your neighbor by raising the price of food ....if he lives on his own self-sustaining farm.

Posted by B 2004-2-2 11:06:11 AM|| 2004-2-2 11:06:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Tibor, don't forget NAOT footwear -- Yaleet i think is an Israeli company.

Most comfortable sandals i've ever worn, and they've held up for years...

Posted by Querent 2004-2-2 1:06:58 PM|| 2004-2-2 1:06:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 "We strongly encourage everyone to buy Canadian, American and Israeli products instead."
Oops? Tibor, did you really mean to include Canada?

Last time I checked, Canada was like a set of infected tonsils... Cosby said it well (inexact quote, but gist accurate), "Your tonsils are there to help protect you, but in your case they've gone over to the other side, so..."

Until Canadian Immigration actually reigns in its policies, it matters little what the US policies are -- unless we build the Friendship Fence and damned-near shut down commerce across the border. Clearly, they have much more to lose than we do... bringing all of the auto-manufacturing and other industries back to the US would be a double-boon to the US, not to mention a double-whammy to Canada.

Obviously the policies of both governments need to track in tandem if we are to stem the tide of asshats entering the US - and you'd think the Canadians will eventually figure out that these cretins will do damage there, too - so cooperation is a win-win. If the Canucks won't cooperate, we'll eventually have to take some measures they won't much care for, eh?

Posted by .com 2004-2-2 5:28:47 PM|| 2004-2-2 5:28:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Last time I checked...

So when was the last time you checked? And exactly what was it that you were checking? Which Canadian immigration policies are you concerned with?
The last time I looked, Canadian immigration policies were not that much different from American.

Posted by Rafael 2004-2-2 8:34:33 PM|| 2004-2-2 8:34:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 .com --

I just posted something that had been e-mailed to me. If I had my druthers, Spain wouldn't have been on the same list as Germany, etc.

Posted by Tibor 2004-2-2 9:24:07 PM|| 2004-2-2 9:24:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Rafael, what are you talking about?

Canadian immigration policies are VERY different from US ones. Hereâs one example: Iâm trying to figure out the best and fastest way to bring my foreign fiancÃ©e into this country. Anyone who has been through this process knows what a fucking headache it is. The fastest âlegalâ method for me to bring her to the US is with a K visa, and that takes 7 months to a year to process before the interview, where 40% are rejected. The Consul wonât give her a tourist visa because sheâs a young lady from South America (an automatic refusal, an immigration lawyer friend told me). Itâs also unlikely she will be granted a student visa. Sheâs from a relatively well-off background too. But, hey, those are the rules.

Iâm a Canadian citizen as well. She could enter Canada on a tourist visa (and she can say that she comes with the intention to marry me) and theyâll give it to her. Odds are that she wonât get rejected for this visa either. She probably wonât even need a consular interview. Whole process takes one month, max, but will most likely only take a few days. In the UK, they approve them the same day.

Hell, she doesnât even need to get married in Canada and she can apply for an adjustment of status while on a tourist or student visa. Canât do that in the US. Not even on the H1 working visas. Itâs even difficult for the L (foreign executive) and E (special ability) and O (extremely special ability) visas. And the million dollar green card route doesnât seem to work anymore.

HUGE difference in policy there, and thatâs just for spouses. Weâre not even getting into refugees!

Not saying the US should open all borders or close them, but use common sense when forming an immigration policy. Bush does nothing (and he preaches family valuesâ¦how ironic) to speed up the fiancÃ©e or spousal petitions (these get hardly any priority; has nothing to do with âbacklogâ) or change the rules to make it easier to bring them in. But he goes out of his way to appease all the Mexicans and give the illegals amnesty. Yeahâ¦family values, alright.

Canadaâs immigration policy, while open, makes more sense than ours. They use an objective point system when admitting people in. People who qualify with enough points (67, but it used to be 75) will be granted an interview. Canadaâs main problem is the refugee system where virtually everyone is accepted. And even those that arenât just disappear and the Government does little to go after them.

I donât think Canada should change their immigration rules to fit are impractical ones. But they shouldnât complain if they face a closed border from us. I also think our immigration policy needs to be changed to suit the modern world. We preach globalization and easy movement of capital (including human), but we donât practice it. Yet we donât let anyone in anymore because we suspect that everyone is a terrorist. We know who the terrorists are. We know who hates us. We know whoâs coming after us. So simple. Why donât we do it?

Posted by ANON 2004-2-2 11:36:14 PM|| 2004-2-2 11:36:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Rafael, while I don't have the precise personal experiences which ANON posted (and illustrate well some of the massive flaws in both US and Canadian policies), I do know many "Canadians" working in Saudi Arabia. Why the scare quotes? Because they are all Pakistanis and all Muslims and all chose to get Canadian citizenship because it was so fucking easy. I can't recite the details as I wasn't party to their games, I am only repeating what they told me. If they lied and you're perfectly right, then you may shit all over this comment.

Every one of them wanted US citizenship, but gave up because it was too hard to get. This includes those who got their Canuckiness both long before 9/11 and well after -- which happened a year after I began my last contract in Saudi. So 9/11 wasn't the factor, though it SHOULD'VE been as ANON pointed out, and should've heralded major changes in policy to keep our enemies out.

You stoutly defend Canada - and there's nothing wrong with that if you wish to do so. I have several friends from Canada and love her people -- except perhaps the Quebecois -- but I have no illusions about the Canadian Gov't and how its policies make a mockery of whatever the US does - as long as we share an open border. To argue this is wrong or incorrect is obviously foolish - and you're no fool. It's not personal, it's just observable fact.

As for Mexico, I agree with ANON again that our policy there is insanely twisted and mercenary. I would greatly prefer a complete rethink and revamp of how we deal with the entire world. I would love to see a rational and logical system that serves US interests as well as protects us from stupidity abroad. Patching patches in the myopic fashion we use now is not serving our interests at all.

Posted by .com 2004-2-3 12:18:15 AM|| 2004-2-3 12:18:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Whether it is easy or not to immigrate to Canada depends on very few factors (actually only two): your profession/skill appears on a most wanted list; and you have lots of money. These two things will get you the most points that pretty much guarantee a red carpet upon arrival in Canada.
I'm willing to bet, that the Pakistanis you met in Saudiland, already had both of those things, PLUS they spoke Engrish (which is good enough), PLUS they had some cousin or other already in Canada, PLUS they were well educated, giving them even more points. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in Saudi Arabia.

The suggestion of shutting down immigration, or denying applicants from specific countries, is the third-rail of immigration and no way will it be touched by anyone. Anyway, it is already too late to stop that avalanche.
My assertion is that anybody who has no conflicts with Canadian values, is productive and peaceful, should be allowed to come here. Every such person is given a chance. The new Canadian immigration and citizenship laws already provide for the event should things go wrong: fuck up and you're out. Should things go wildly wrong in the future, with terrorists streaming to the US from Canada, I can bet that this (liberal, in your opinion) immigration policy will change too, and quickly. For now, how many terrorists coming from Canada have you counted? Not a lot.

Posted by Rafael 2004-2-3 1:54:04 AM|| 2004-2-3 1:54:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 "how many terrorists coming from Canada have you counted?"
Personally? C'mon, drop the game and be real.

You've been here long enough to have seen the same news stories I have regards asshats who've been tracked and caught; who've been arrested with arms; who've been observed "scouting" border crossings; etc.

Knowing the FBI as I happen to, I also realize that they are almost clueless about terrorists and PC-correct down to their Joe Boxers regards the obvious best tool available: profiling. So I can't help but wonder that if I hear about 10 guys they've fingered (prolly actually done by RCMP or other Canadian law outfit) then 100 or 1000 went through unhindered and undetected.

The Pakistanis I knew were all in IT, all spoke passable Engrish, none could write in English worth warm spit, none were wealthy by any measure I'd make, and all immediately began gathering every warm body in their clan over there once one made it in. The Saudi payscale funded the operation in step-wise fashion.

I have nothing to change in what I wrote. Sorry it seems to get your dander up. I'll add that I would gladly help fund a fence so we needn't have this conversation again, since I have no vote to influence Canadian legislation or policy.

Posted by .com 2004-2-3 2:45:44 AM|| 2004-2-3 2:45:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 I think you're reading me wrong (due to my bad writing). I agree it is easy to immigrate to Canada. A bit too easy. But I say that with hesitation because I am an immigrant myself (from Poland). And you won't find anyone more pro-American here on Rantburg or anywhere else, outside the US.
So there are immigrants out there who can fit in quite nicely. I knew a guy from Bangladesh, who worked in Saudi Arabia, in IT, who is now making quite a good living in Canada. And during the time that I knew him, I haven't heard him say one bad thing about the US. As opposed to the countless other immigrants that I know that spew anti-American vitriol on a daily basis.
Nonetheless, for the sake of people like me who would like to visit Texas, Colorado and Montana, I urge you not to start construction on the fence just yet.

Posted by Rafael 2004-2-3 5:10:49 AM|| 2004-2-3 5:10:49 AM|| Front Page Top

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