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Posted by Steve White 2004-01-15 12:30:32 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Hey guyz--Madonna has endorsed Wesley Clark--that's good enough for me!

Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-1-15 1:02:58 AM|| 2004-1-15 1:02:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Are trippi and dean going to be brought up on fed charges of voter fraud in Iowa? It certainly can't be legal to bus in 'voters' from Georgia to vote in the primary. But then, it is a 'democratic' primary, so I guess it's Mob Rules, last ~~wimpy little midget~~ man standing wins, eh?

Posted by 4thInfVet 2004-1-15 2:27:16 AM|| 2004-1-15 2:27:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The fact that Modonna actually felt compelled to endorse Clark gives me enough reason not to vote for him. Having a 40+ year-old singer who dances like a stripper be your largest endorser isn't a good thing. Unless you're a sexual deviant, which Clark may very well be considering who he considers friends.

Posted by Charles 2004-1-15 2:31:28 AM|| 2004-1-15 2:31:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Good grief, almighty. The thought of either of these clowns assuming the position of CnC just seizes my pyloric valve. Ouch!

Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-1-15 2:52:38 AM|| 2004-1-15 2:52:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Oh come on. They have got no chance whatsoever, either of them. Both are so daffy that when the general election comes along, neither is going to unseat GW.

So sit back and enjoy the show. It don't mean a thing.

Posted by Ben 2004-1-15 4:51:54 AM|| 2004-1-15 4:51:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I think Maddona now lives in the UK and studies some made up religion? Like endorsing Clark will actually get them any votes in Iowa? Next the Dixie chicks will endorse Dean! Boy this is going to be a fun election cycle.

Posted by Anonymous 2004-1-15 7:50:06 AM|| 2004-1-15 7:50:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Remember Lyndon Johnson, who so deftly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory after Tet of '68.
"They don't bomb an outhouse without my say-so."

Clark is a micromanager too, with the megalo-mania associated with that trait. I fear him much more than Dean. That is because of Clintons.

Posted by Fred Patterson 2004-1-15 8:57:59 AM|| 2004-1-15 8:57:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 a few comments

1. Brokered convention - that comes up regularly as a prediction, and never happens. Lots of reasons why it wont happen (of course the 2000 thing was also unprecedented)

2. Madonna's religion. Apparently Madonna is studying Kabala - traditional Jewish mysticism -When Gentiles study it, divorced from the rest of traditional Judaism, they tends toward the new agey, "made up religion approach" - while gentiles have been study it for several hundred years (and spelling it Cabala) it has only become fashionable in the last few years. In fairness theres a certain amount of whackiness in some elements of the tradition itself, as in most mysticisms.

3. Clark and Clinton - oddly, Clarks foreign policy pronouncements continue to differ from Bill and Hilary's - they may be supporting Clark for strategic reasons, but i doubt they really want to see him as Pres.

Posted by liberalhawk 2004-1-15 9:17:10 AM|| 2004-1-15 9:17:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Rex Mundi said,

"Good grief, almighty. The thought of either of these clowns assuming the position of CnC just seizes my pyloric valve."

Using the phrase 'assuming the position', while commenting on an article mentioning Madonna makes this a "R" posting.

Posted by mhw 2004-1-15 9:23:14 AM|| 2004-1-15 9:23:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 1. Clark, Clintons, brokered convention. Hilary waltz's in and graciously accepts the sceptre. Clark gets VP nod. 2. Clark's foreign policy does not exist. I just hope that he refuses orders on what to say and his ego breaks up this marriage, before or better, during the convention.

Posted by Fred Patterson 2004-1-15 9:44:22 AM|| 2004-1-15 9:44:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 So Howard Dean flatters Wes.

BTW, Wesley Clark's positions on some issues are left even of the D'micratic party line.

Posted by Korora 2004-1-15 11:31:36 AM|| [http://basementburrow.blogspot.com] 2004-1-15 11:31:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 The only question that Clark needs to be asked in a debate is:

Why would your fellow Generals say publically that they would not vote for you because of "integrity" issues, what do you believe those issues to be Gen. Clark?

(Personally I think it may have something to do with being an egotistical ladder climber, and his first responsibility being himself and not his troops)

Posted by JerseyMike 2004-1-15 11:46:45 AM|| 2004-1-15 11:46:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Fred P... do you think we'll ever see another brokered convention? I'm not sure there's anyone left alive who could manage a serious smokefilled room.

Posted by Shipman 2004-1-15 1:33:47 PM|| 2004-1-15 1:33:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 I dunno, Shipman, I bet there would be enough joints in the convention hall to pull it off. After all, no one said it had to be tobacco smoke.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-1-15 1:44:48 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-1-15 1:44:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Weasel Clark is neither a Democrat nor a Republican, but a tattoed, dyed-in-the-wool member of the International Weasel Party. He proves this every time he speaks. A Weasel does not tell the truth, but the "truth" those listening to him want to hear. A Weasel isn't required to be honest, just loud. A Weasel has only one moral: "If it's good for me, it's right, if it's NOT good for me, it's wrong." Words like "commitment", "honor", "character" and "promise" have different meanings to Weasels than they do to other people. Weasel Clark learned these things from the Master, Wm. J. Clinton/H. R. Clinton (the two-headed "co-president" monster). Once you understand that, everything Weasel Clark says and does makes sense.

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-1-15 1:59:20 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2004-1-15 1:59:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 RC I hadn't thought of that. It all makes sense now.... if it is a brokered convention... I will find someway to be there. 2nd handsmoke is so cheery.

Posted by Grand pappy Amos 2004-1-15 3:11:35 PM|| 2004-1-15 3:11:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 In the information age, smoke-filled room is but a(n) euphemism. The brokering has already occurred. When Wes Clark announced his Democratic candidacy, I immediately thought, "What the hell?" I then answered myself "Clintons!".

Bill owes Hil a shot at the Presidency. But, W looks formidable. The canard would not fly unless something unforeseen happens. If not, there is still 2008.

Posted by Fred Patterson 2004-1-15 3:35:58 PM|| 2004-1-15 3:35:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 There will never,ever be a Clinton/Clark ticket.Small reason:Hillary has shown a continuing dislike/distrust of the military-recent
example of not waiting for troops to be served in Afghanistan;she either ignored or refused to listen to military liason assigned to her group-and no way is a general going to get important position in her administration.Medium reason:Clark is Bill's guy,and Hillary is not going to have any friends of Bill in her administration.Big reason:Hillary's ego.Having Clark as Veep would be admitting she is weak on Defense/Foreign Policy,and she will never concede she is not an expert on anything.
So why are the Clintons giving some help to Clark?(Altho Bill sure isn't out campaigning for Clark.)They are staying in touch with new generation of Democratic activists,donors and local workers,as well as latest campaigning tactics,so their run in 2008 will be up to date,not based on 1992/96 campaign.

Posted by Stephen 2004-1-15 7:43:44 PM|| 2004-1-15 7:43:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Stephen, very astute observations. I definitely accept your assessment of them staying in touch scenario. You mentioned her ego. I cannot believe that anything could stop her personal ambition. I do not easily accept conspiracy theories, but it is not a conspiracy to set up someone, then blackmail them. She owns both sets of balls in the family. I even somehow suspect that Monica was her procurement. And I expect her to have a spare pair of balls in case she sees an opportunity that includes Clark. Clark is just wearing them for her, for now.

Remember LBJ's, "It's hard for a man to say no when you have his balls in your pocket." Funny how often ole Lyndon comes to mind these days.

Posted by Fred Patterson 2004-1-15 8:50:39 PM|| 2004-1-15 8:50:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Hey guyz--Madonna has endorsed Wesley Clark--that's good enough for me!

Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-1-15 1:02:58 AM|| 2004-1-15 1:02:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Are trippi and dean going to be brought up on fed charges of voter fraud in Iowa? It certainly can't be legal to bus in 'voters' from Georgia to vote in the primary. But then, it is a 'democratic' primary, so I guess it's Mob Rules, last ~~wimpy little midget~~ man standing wins, eh?

Posted by 4thInfVet 2004-1-15 2:27:16 AM|| 2004-1-15 2:27:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 The fact that Modonna actually felt compelled to endorse Clark gives me enough reason not to vote for him. Having a 40+ year-old singer who dances like a stripper be your largest endorser isn't a good thing. Unless you're a sexual deviant, which Clark may very well be considering who he considers friends.

Posted by Charles 2004-1-15 2:31:28 AM|| 2004-1-15 2:31:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Good grief, almighty. The thought of either of these clowns assuming the position of CnC just seizes my pyloric valve. Ouch!

Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-1-15 2:52:38 AM|| 2004-1-15 2:52:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Oh come on. They have got no chance whatsoever, either of them. Both are so daffy that when the general election comes along, neither is going to unseat GW.

So sit back and enjoy the show. It don't mean a thing.

Posted by Ben 2004-1-15 4:51:54 AM|| 2004-1-15 4:51:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 I think Maddona now lives in the UK and studies some made up religion? Like endorsing Clark will actually get them any votes in Iowa? Next the Dixie chicks will endorse Dean! Boy this is going to be a fun election cycle.

Posted by Anonymous 2004-1-15 7:50:06 AM|| 2004-1-15 7:50:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 Remember Lyndon Johnson, who so deftly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory after Tet of '68.
"They don't bomb an outhouse without my say-so."

Clark is a micromanager too, with the megalo-mania associated with that trait. I fear him much more than Dean. That is because of Clintons.

Posted by Fred Patterson 2004-1-15 8:57:59 AM|| 2004-1-15 8:57:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 a few comments

1. Brokered convention - that comes up regularly as a prediction, and never happens. Lots of reasons why it wont happen (of course the 2000 thing was also unprecedented)

2. Madonna's religion. Apparently Madonna is studying Kabala - traditional Jewish mysticism -When Gentiles study it, divorced from the rest of traditional Judaism, they tends toward the new agey, "made up religion approach" - while gentiles have been study it for several hundred years (and spelling it Cabala) it has only become fashionable in the last few years. In fairness theres a certain amount of whackiness in some elements of the tradition itself, as in most mysticisms.

3. Clark and Clinton - oddly, Clarks foreign policy pronouncements continue to differ from Bill and Hilary's - they may be supporting Clark for strategic reasons, but i doubt they really want to see him as Pres.

Posted by liberalhawk 2004-1-15 9:17:10 AM|| 2004-1-15 9:17:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Rex Mundi said,

"Good grief, almighty. The thought of either of these clowns assuming the position of CnC just seizes my pyloric valve."

Using the phrase 'assuming the position', while commenting on an article mentioning Madonna makes this a "R" posting.

Posted by mhw 2004-1-15 9:23:14 AM|| 2004-1-15 9:23:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 1. Clark, Clintons, brokered convention. Hilary waltz's in and graciously accepts the sceptre. Clark gets VP nod. 2. Clark's foreign policy does not exist. I just hope that he refuses orders on what to say and his ego breaks up this marriage, before or better, during the convention.

Posted by Fred Patterson 2004-1-15 9:44:22 AM|| 2004-1-15 9:44:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 So Howard Dean flatters Wes.

BTW, Wesley Clark's positions on some issues are left even of the D'micratic party line.

Posted by Korora 2004-1-15 11:31:36 AM|| [http://basementburrow.blogspot.com] 2004-1-15 11:31:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 The only question that Clark needs to be asked in a debate is:

Why would your fellow Generals say publically that they would not vote for you because of "integrity" issues, what do you believe those issues to be Gen. Clark?

(Personally I think it may have something to do with being an egotistical ladder climber, and his first responsibility being himself and not his troops)

Posted by JerseyMike 2004-1-15 11:46:45 AM|| 2004-1-15 11:46:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 Fred P... do you think we'll ever see another brokered convention? I'm not sure there's anyone left alive who could manage a serious smokefilled room.

Posted by Shipman 2004-1-15 1:33:47 PM|| 2004-1-15 1:33:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 I dunno, Shipman, I bet there would be enough joints in the convention hall to pull it off. After all, no one said it had to be tobacco smoke.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-1-15 1:44:48 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-1-15 1:44:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Weasel Clark is neither a Democrat nor a Republican, but a tattoed, dyed-in-the-wool member of the International Weasel Party. He proves this every time he speaks. A Weasel does not tell the truth, but the "truth" those listening to him want to hear. A Weasel isn't required to be honest, just loud. A Weasel has only one moral: "If it's good for me, it's right, if it's NOT good for me, it's wrong." Words like "commitment", "honor", "character" and "promise" have different meanings to Weasels than they do to other people. Weasel Clark learned these things from the Master, Wm. J. Clinton/H. R. Clinton (the two-headed "co-president" monster). Once you understand that, everything Weasel Clark says and does makes sense.

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-1-15 1:59:20 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2004-1-15 1:59:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 RC I hadn't thought of that. It all makes sense now.... if it is a brokered convention... I will find someway to be there. 2nd handsmoke is so cheery.

Posted by Grand pappy Amos 2004-1-15 3:11:35 PM|| 2004-1-15 3:11:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 In the information age, smoke-filled room is but a(n) euphemism. The brokering has already occurred. When Wes Clark announced his Democratic candidacy, I immediately thought, "What the hell?" I then answered myself "Clintons!".

Bill owes Hil a shot at the Presidency. But, W looks formidable. The canard would not fly unless something unforeseen happens. If not, there is still 2008.

Posted by Fred Patterson 2004-1-15 3:35:58 PM|| 2004-1-15 3:35:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 There will never,ever be a Clinton/Clark ticket.Small reason:Hillary has shown a continuing dislike/distrust of the military-recent
example of not waiting for troops to be served in Afghanistan;she either ignored or refused to listen to military liason assigned to her group-and no way is a general going to get important position in her administration.Medium reason:Clark is Bill's guy,and Hillary is not going to have any friends of Bill in her administration.Big reason:Hillary's ego.Having Clark as Veep would be admitting she is weak on Defense/Foreign Policy,and she will never concede she is not an expert on anything.
So why are the Clintons giving some help to Clark?(Altho Bill sure isn't out campaigning for Clark.)They are staying in touch with new generation of Democratic activists,donors and local workers,as well as latest campaigning tactics,so their run in 2008 will be up to date,not based on 1992/96 campaign.

Posted by Stephen 2004-1-15 7:43:44 PM|| 2004-1-15 7:43:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 Stephen, very astute observations. I definitely accept your assessment of them staying in touch scenario. You mentioned her ego. I cannot believe that anything could stop her personal ambition. I do not easily accept conspiracy theories, but it is not a conspiracy to set up someone, then blackmail them. She owns both sets of balls in the family. I even somehow suspect that Monica was her procurement. And I expect her to have a spare pair of balls in case she sees an opportunity that includes Clark. Clark is just wearing them for her, for now.

Remember LBJ's, "It's hard for a man to say no when you have his balls in your pocket." Funny how often ole Lyndon comes to mind these days.

Posted by Fred Patterson 2004-1-15 8:50:39 PM|| 2004-1-15 8:50:39 PM|| Front Page Top

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