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2006-01-12 Arabia
Saudi Professor of Islamic Law on Saudi TV Exhorts Muslims to "Positive Hatred" of Christians
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Posted by 3dc 2006-01-12 01:52|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Well, he'll get lots of support from local leftists.
Posted by Jackal">Jackal  2006-01-12 08:21|| home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2006-01-12 08:21|| Front Page Top

#2 Sheikh Abd Al-Aziz Fawzan Al-Fawzan.

What kind of an idiotic name is that?

The name itself might partially explain the extreme, unhinged anger in the Magic Kingdom.
Imagine if your name was Harry Bush or Craven Buttholtz? Now imagine if we had the name-structures of the Soddies -- Harry Bush Al-Bush or Craven Buttholtz Al-Buttholtz. You'd be pretty pissed off too. Praise be Allan!
Posted by The Angry Fliegerabwehrkanonen 2006-01-12 08:50|| http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]">[http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]  2006-01-12 08:50|| Front Page Top

#3 "Positive hatred"? Is that some sort of self-esteem thingy?
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2006-01-12 09:51||   2006-01-12 09:51|| Front Page Top

#4 AF, lots of westerners have similar names - they've just forgotten that fact because they no longer speak their ancestral languages.

Templeton = "Temple town"
Robertson = "Robert's son"

Abd Aziz = "Aziz's son"
al-Fazwan = "from Fazwan"

There's lots to criticize about this guy and his pronouncements without resorting to elementary school playground kinds of taunts about names.
Posted by lotp 2006-01-12 09:59||   2006-01-12 09:59|| Front Page Top

#5 If I'm not mistaken, 'abd' also translates as 'slave'

Abdullah = Slave of Allah

I s'pose that in Arabia, 'son of' and 'slave of' could mean pretty much the same thing.
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2006-01-12 10:20||   2006-01-12 10:20|| Front Page Top

#6 Abd = servant of or slave of
Bin = son of.
Posted by ed 2006-01-12 10:29||   2006-01-12 10:29|| Front Page Top

#7 No big deal, he's just reiterating what Mein Koranf says.
Posted by Wheat Crunchie 2006-01-12 10:33||   2006-01-12 10:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Wheat Crunchie!
Posted by RD 2006-01-12 10:58||   2006-01-12 10:58|| Front Page Top

#9 Does it mean hating Hugo Chavez?
Posted by gromgoru 2006-01-12 11:30||   2006-01-12 11:30|| Front Page Top

#10 "There's lots to criticize about this guy and his pronouncements without resorting to elementary school playground kinds of taunts about names."

In case you missed the train, it happens that fun and taunts are part of what makes Rantburg so enjoyable.

As for forgetting ancestral languages, it's call evolving and moving beyond a primitive association with a rural, peasant, pre-modern form of existence.

Read Barrington Moore, Jr. on the "Social Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy: Lord and Peasant in the Making of the Modern World." After you're done, come back and talk about playground taunts.
Posted by The Angry Fliegerabwehrkanonen 2006-01-12 11:38|| http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]">[http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]  2006-01-12 11:38|| Front Page Top

#11 Does it mean hating Hugo Chavez?
Posted by gromgoru 2006-01-12 11:59||   2006-01-12 11:59|| Front Page Top

#12 "Positive Hatred" is that like a Progressive thing?
Posted by ed 2006-01-12 12:04||   2006-01-12 12:04|| Front Page Top

#13 "Someone who permits and commits fornication - as is the case in Western countries, where fornication is permitted and not considered a problem ..."

As opposed to the ME where pedophilia and camel-doinking are common and approved?

"This is not racism, my brother. We don't hate a polytheist because of his color, gender, blood, country, or because he is American, European, Chinese, or Asian.

Yes, we're equal opportunity haters here as attested to by the EHOC.
Posted by Xbalanke 2006-01-12 12:23||   2006-01-12 12:23|| Front Page Top

#14 Sheikh Abd Al-Aziz Fawzan Al-Fawzan

Let's all hope that, somewhere, this name is being penciled in on the dance card of a hunter-killer team.

Again, why is this administration sitting still for state sponsored propaganda bile like this being spewed by the Saudis? No wonder they feel free to sh!t all over us in the Middle East. By now they must think we like it so much that we eat sh!t sandwiches for lunch each day.

Saudi Arabia needs to begin finding a major price tag attached to this horrendous hatemongering.
Posted by Zenster 2006-01-12 13:04||   2006-01-12 13:04|| Front Page Top

#15 Yup, 'abd' means 'servant' or 'slave' and 'bin' means 'son'. (And 'Abu' means 'father' ....)

Typed faster than my brain was working .... LOL

And yes, HF, the name embeds tribal identity. My point is that there are far more substantive things to criticize than the fact that he uses a name in the form of names common to his country and ethnic identity.

As do most of the people in our society as well.

But if that's the level at which you can critique him, fire away.
Posted by lotp 2006-01-12 14:54||   2006-01-12 14:54|| Front Page Top

#16 "Moreover, this hatred must be positive hatred. It should make me feel compassion for him, and should make me guide and reform him."
I believe that the professor's Islamic "positive hatred" is a very twisted cousin to what Christians call "love" -- hate the sin but love the sinner; punish the sin but forgive the sinner. Jesus loved everybody that could be saved. Islam hates everybody until such time as they submit. Makes for a very ugly world.
Posted by Darrell Bin Gordon 2006-01-12 15:58||   2006-01-12 15:58|| Front Page Top

#17 ...but it's a good kind of hate.
Posted by tu3031 2006-01-12 16:03||   2006-01-12 16:03|| Front Page Top

#18 I wanna give some Negative Love, baby.
Posted by Joluck Snaque8678 2006-01-12 16:30||   2006-01-12 16:30|| Front Page Top

#19 lotp

"And yes, HF, the name embeds tribal identity. My point is that there are far more substantive things to criticize than the fact that he uses a name in the form of names common to his country and ethnic identity.

As do most of the people in our society as well.

But if that's the level at which you can critique him, fire away."

Ummm... I'm not the Happy Fliegerabwehrkanonen today. Sometimes I am, but today, I'm the Angry Fliegerabwehrkanonen since my 88mm has been misfiring. Damn those B-17s!

Ever since the car accident, my critiquing skills have been reduced to ethnic humor.

P.S.: I lived in Saudi (Jeddah) and worked for Saudis for three-and-a-half years, so yes, I do know about names and such.

Abu = friend of

Bint = daughter of

Bin = son of

Al-Saud = Royal family

Al Sheikh = Related to Al-Wahhab
Posted by The Angry Fliegerabwehrkanonen 2006-01-12 19:57|| http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]">[http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]  2006-01-12 19:57|| Front Page Top

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