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2007-01-08 Olde Tyme Religion

No wonder the authorities are nervous! Millions of Muslims Converting to Christianity

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Posted by trailing wife 2007-01-08 11:34|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Converts tend to be more active than born members. Remember it's not just the number who belong nominally; it's how many are really practicing.

Posted by Clush Thavitch6306 2007-01-08 12:11|| 2007-01-08 12:11|| Front Page Top

#2 Why don't you send a couple battalions of evangelists into Europe?
My thoughts, exactly, and I don't mean just for the muslims.

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-01-08 12:48|| 2007-01-08 12:48|| Front Page Top

#3 I had written a speculation on this a couple of months ago; wondering if what we are seeing in Islam is the last spasm of the bitter-enders, lashing out because Islam is crumbling from the foundations, with so many either quietly converting, or just walking away. With a death penalty for apostacy, of course everyone has a good reason to remain quiet about abandoning Islam... but it is kind of telling, don't you think, that generally the sort of Westerners that convert to Islam are either prisoners, or the sort of unstable people that shop around among religions a lot?

Posted by Sgt. Mom 2007-01-08 12:51|| www.ncobrief.com]">[www.ncobrief.com] 2007-01-08 12:51|| Front Page Top

#4 All the numbers are suspect. However, there is good reason to believe that the Muslims in India could be converting to Christianity in relatively large numbers.
- There is a rising level of literacy.
- There is a rising level of knowledge of the six hundred year Islamic genocide against Hindus.
- Relatively Little fear of reprisals.
- Relatively little society pressure and intimidation.
- Converts to Hinduism don't get a particularly warm reception - for one thing they can't be Brahmin.

Posted by mhw 2007-01-08 12:56|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2007-01-08 12:56|| Front Page Top

#5 On the other hand, I'm willing to bet that a large fraction of these converts will relapse to Islam if they are persecuted to any extent. Most people, when confronted with a choice between their faith and the welfare of themselves and their family, will choose the easier path.

Posted by Jonathan">Jonathan 2007-01-08 12:56|| 2007-01-08 12:56|| Front Page Top

#6 "In 1990, there were only three known Christians in Kazakhstan"

LOL!!!

I take it our evangelical friends dont count Russian Orthodox as "Christians" since Kazakastan is over a third ethnic Russian, and they cant all be good Marxist atheists.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-01-08 13:23|| 2007-01-08 13:23|| Front Page Top

#7 In 1990 there wasn't even a Kazahkstan. Soviet union broke up in late 1991.

Posted by Greremp Spimp7128 2007-01-08 13:43|| 2007-01-08 13:43|| Front Page Top

#8 there was a Khazak SSR, however.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-01-08 14:03|| 2007-01-08 14:03|| Front Page Top

#9 Why don't you send a couple battalions of evangelists into Europe? They got lotsa Moose limbs there that need converted, and they don't have government protection from religious competition.

But the evangelical Christian churches are growing - in Western Europe, at least. There was an article here not long ago how the young people of Holland are joining house churches in droves while the traditional Dutch-whatever cathedrals sit empty, and the same in France. The ministers are coming with Christian refugees from the Mid East and Africa, and also being sent from the US, if I recall correctly.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-01-08 14:03|| 2007-01-08 14:03|| Front Page Top

#10 my general impression is that the biggest religious conversion movement on the planet is the decline of african paganism at the hands of BOTH Christianity and Islam. And the biggest threat of apostasy from Islam, by far, is the defection toward secularism (like that Ali woman in Holland) not conversion to Christianity.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-01-08 14:10|| 2007-01-08 14:10|| Front Page Top

#11 Why don't you send a couple battalions of evangelists into Europe? They got lotsa Moose limbs there that need converted, and they don't have government protection from religious competition.

My church sponsors a protestant mission church in France.

Posted by DoDo 2007-01-08 14:42|| 2007-01-08 14:42|| Front Page Top

#12 "More Muslims converted to faith in Jesus Christ over the past decade than at any other time in human history. A spiritual revolution is underway throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia. As a result, a record number of ex-Muslims are celebrating Christmas this year, despite intense persecution, assassinations, and widespread church bombings," said Joel C. Rosenberg, the author of a New York Times best selling political thriller.

Hope they can do it without Santa Claus.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-01-08 15:13|| 2007-01-08 15:13|| Front Page Top

#13 Predicted by churchs that by 2030 most missionaries to the EU will come from a Christian China.

(put that in a pipe and smoke it for awhile.)

Posted by 3dc 2007-01-08 15:17|| 2007-01-08 15:17|| Front Page Top

#14 Unfortunately, they're not keeping up with the Muzzies rat-like birth rate...

Posted by OyVey1 2007-01-08 15:27|| 2007-01-08 15:27|| Front Page Top

#15 That is an interesting fast 3dc.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-01-08 15:30|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2007-01-08 15:30|| Front Page Top

#16 #6,7,8. Darn you guys. I had to check out Kazakhstan in the CIA Factbook:
Ethnic groups: Kazakh (Qazaq) 53.4%, Russian 30%, Ukrainian 3.7%, Uzbek 2.5%, German 2.4%, Tatar 1.7%, Uygur 1.4%, other 4.9% (1999 census)

Religions: Muslim 47%, Russian Orthodox 44%, Protestant 2%, other 7%
I agree with LH. Salem Voice must not be counting Russian Orthodox as Christians.
However, significantly increasing the number of Protestants among the population can't be a bad thing.

Posted by GK 2007-01-08 17:04|| 2007-01-08 17:04|| Front Page Top

#17 That's why its other name is Rantburg University, GK. :-)

Posted by trailing wife 2007-01-08 18:52|| 2007-01-08 18:52|| Front Page Top

#18 So now we know where all the moderate muzzies have gone. It's the better option, no doubt. I don't think it will have a direct influence on jihad for a decade or two. But, this is in step with my final solution, the end of Islam, final and forever.

Posted by wxjames 2007-01-08 18:58|| 2007-01-08 18:58|| Front Page Top

#19 SalemVoice was probably counting only ethnic Kazakhs. Mission orgs are increasingly focusing on ethno-linguistic groups without an indigenous Christian church.

Posted by Slinesing Angomolet1065 2007-01-08 19:36|| 2007-01-08 19:36|| Front Page Top

#20 This troubles me greatly, it implies (Correctly) that Christianity is the closest religion to Islam.
Converts therefore have to make the least changes to assimilate into being Christians.

Very disturbing.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2007-01-08 20:24|| 2007-01-08 20:24|| Front Page Top

#21 HHMMMMM, HHHMMMM , e.g. physical evidence of Mother Mary atop an Eqyptian Coptic Church, non-Marian apparations + prophecies/dreams/visions said to had come true etc.; versus Talking Animals = Weird Fruit - Its a quagmire, they tells ya, a quagmire. *BRADGELINA/ANGELINA vs MADONNA on proper adoptions = future OWG > DAD SAYS SETTLE DOWN OR ITS OFF TO MILITARY BOARDING SCHOOL = RIFLE DRILL TEAM LIKE HILLARY DUFF ON DISNEY CHANNEL 51.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-01-08 20:56|| 2007-01-08 20:56|| Front Page Top

#22 JosephMendiola is the greatest resource that Rantburg has ever had.

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