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2004-01-05 Fifth Column
MoveOn.org features Bush=Hitler Ad
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Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-01-05 3:27:11 AM|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Incredible. And apart from being ignominous, it's absolutely idiotic. Did they actually understand what Hitler says in German? He talks about a new rise of Germany blabla, achieved with its own work blabla etc. It has absolutely no relation with the words of Bush.

I'm not familiar with the exact status of moveon.org. But if it is endorsed by the Democratic Party they should act fast.

And of course AC, it can never hurt to state the obvious. Because there are always people who don't understand the obvious.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-1-5 3:44:08 AM||   2004-1-5 3:44:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 These people are beyond the pale, plain and simple.

This kind of politics has NEVER been seen in this country outside of the absolute lunatic fringe...which they clearly are.

It's time to find out exactly who funds these people and contact them...

Ford Foundation?
Posted by RMcLeod  2004-1-5 4:31:24 AM||   2004-1-5 4:31:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 George Soros, euthanasia advocate and billionaire fatcat, is the primary donor to moveon.org. The organization was founded by a millionaire California banker.
The director is Morton Halperin, a veteran lefty activist who designed the left's successful strategy to weaken the CIA back in the 1970s.
Soros and several other moveon principals are now reported to be involved in currency speculation against the US dollar.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-1-5 5:02:33 AM||   2004-1-5 5:02:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 In a bizarre footnote, the Moscow office of Soros' Open Society Institute was involved in a violent clash over unpaid rent last November.

The dispute featured late night raids by up to 50 armed men as the building owners sought to evict the Soros minions and a failed counter-attack by a pro-Soros group.
Both groups apparently consisted mostly of local thugs recruited by the principals.
At least 10 people were injured.

The original story from Moscow Times requires paid access, but it was reposted in its entirety at Free Republic.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-1-5 5:17:57 AM||   2004-1-5 5:17:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Welcome to the club, AC. I quit the Democratic Party last February in disgust, after being a Democrat my entire adult voting life- 31 years.
Posted by Dave D.  2004-1-5 6:37:57 AM||   2004-1-5 6:37:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Let em keep producing dreck like this and it will poison their party all the way to the local level for voters
Posted by Frank G  2004-1-5 8:26:02 AM||   2004-1-5 8:26:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 TGA, your comment is invaluable, and I've posted a link at my website about it referencing this article and your comment.
Posted by Ptah  2004-1-5 9:38:13 AM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]  2004-1-5 9:38:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Ummm, I take it no one's seen the photoshop of Dean?????

And didn't we praise the brave soul who altered Castro on the mag cover????
Posted by Anonymous2U 2004-1-5 10:14:23 AM||   2004-1-5 10:14:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 [Hitler's words in the video have] absolutely no relation with the words of Bush.

Speaking of stating the obvious, TGA, the "words of Bush" in the video have no relation to the words of Bush in real life. I do not believe Bush has ever said that God told him to strike al Qaeda, or Saddam.
Posted by Angie Schultz 2004-1-5 10:23:13 AM|| [http://darkblogules.blogspot.com]  2004-1-5 10:23:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 ..the Moscow office of Soros' Open Society Institute was involved in a violent clash over unpaid rent last November.

Damn, what a cheapskate.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-1-5 10:28:27 AM||   2004-1-5 10:28:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Certainly a bunch of 'idealists' appealing to the angry masses that authoritarian imposition of a collectivist ideology is for our nations 'own good'... wait a minute?

Funny how familiar that sounds?

(D)emocrats... the new National Socialist American Worker's Party.
Posted by DANEgerus  2004-1-5 11:17:23 AM|| [http://www.danegerus.com/weblog]  2004-1-5 11:17:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 My wife quit the Dems after Shrillary held up that newspaper 'Bush Knew'. Now my wife knows how absurd the party has become.
Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter)  2004-1-5 11:29:17 AM||   2004-1-5 11:29:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Just where is a jackbooted thug when you really need one? The Reich seems to be slipping quite badly!
Posted by Craig  2004-1-5 1:01:27 PM||   2004-1-5 1:01:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Only Lieberman has the guts and/or integrity to denounce this prior to the primaries.
Posted by ruprecht 2004-1-5 1:12:18 PM||   2004-1-5 1:12:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 And didn't we praise the brave soul who altered Castro on the mag cover????

Castro actually runs concentration camps. And imprisons those who criticize him. And runs a police state.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-1-5 2:17:19 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-1-5 2:17:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Thank you Ptah for your kind words.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-1-5 2:24:22 PM||   2004-1-5 2:24:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Looks like they did it again (via LGF):

http://www.rnc.org/moveon-h2.mov
Posted by True German Ally 2004-1-5 2:45:06 PM||   2004-1-5 2:45:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 It looks like the Democratic Party is quickly becoming a Party of Low IQ population of the U.S.
Posted by Observer 2004-1-5 3:34:37 PM||   2004-1-5 3:34:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Observer: Not nice. But perhaps true.
Posted by Shipman 2004-1-5 3:41:10 PM||   2004-1-5 3:41:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 AC, I don't expect that repudiation to happen anytime soon. I'm pretty sure democrats.com is run "outside" the party, but they're calling outrage at the ad "censorship".
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-1-5 4:04:33 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-1-5 4:04:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#21  In the Tampa,Fl. area MoveOn has already been airing ads that imply Bush wouldn't give money to hire school teachers(fyi to non-US,education is local,not national govt. responsibility in US) and instead gave $87 billion to his friends.Ad ends with unflattering photo of Bush on screen and caption MIS-LEADER imposed over his face.A couple of my Democrat friends thought it was a vicious attack ad.I haven't seen ad in past week or so.Problem w/Soros and MoveON and others of left is they are too full of hatred too understand what they have unleashed.Once the Democrats pick their candidate various hard right groups will start to run their ads.(Conspiracy alert-after several months of wild attacks on Bush and just before Dem.Convention,the national media,"horrified" by attacks support sudden ACLU laswsuits asking for injunctions against third-party political ads.)This will be the harshest,most personally vicious election the US has ever had in the television era.
Posted by Stephen 2004-1-5 4:16:28 PM||   2004-1-5 4:16:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 This will be the harshest,most personally vicious election the US has ever had in the television era
Yes! Who sez TV ain't educational. This is gonna be good... hell it might be the nastiest election since Andrew Jackson's loss.
Posted by Shipman 2004-1-5 4:59:13 PM||   2004-1-5 4:59:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 This will be the harshest,most personally vicious election the US has ever had in the television era.

There's only one thing then, to tell the Democrats and their lackeys.

Link (turn down the volume if you're at work)
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-1-5 5:17:24 PM||   2004-1-5 5:17:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 It looks like the Democratic Party is quickly becoming a Party of Low IQ population of the U.S.

Twas always so!

Ever wonder why the Right took to the Internet like a duck to water, and the Left floundered badly in the new medium. Its because the Left has always sold its ideas to the 'don't bother me with facts and complex issues' crowd.

The Internet is a disaster for the Left.
Posted by phil_b 2004-1-5 5:19:36 PM||   2004-1-5 5:19:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 The lefty scum at moveon are backpedaling like mad, wolf blitzer is covering for them by reading their statement: "we had nothing to do with these ads!" - (even though they were on our servers); "they somehow got through our vetting process!" yeah right.

I hope the gop gets out with this trash there when moveon starts running their 'real' ads so people can see what kind of haters are filling the ranks of the left. This is going to come back to bite them in the ass, but that's what they get for going socialist.
Posted by 4thInfVet 2004-1-5 5:48:20 PM||   2004-1-5 5:48:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 From the Fox article:
A panel of celebrity judges like actor Jack Black, Hollywood director Michael Moore, Democratic strategist Donna Brazile, director and author Gus Van Sant, musician Michael Stipe, comedienne Margaret Cho, actress Janeane Garofalo and musician Moby are supposed to pick the best entries.

Wow--If that isn't the most highly qualified and intelligent political panel, I don't know what is! Why, I bet among them one could find two or even three high school diplomas and just maybe one college degree (in the fine arts)!

All eight of them together might just be a match in a debate with Condoleezza... or not.
Posted by Dar  2004-1-5 6:49:15 PM||   2004-1-5 6:49:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 How silly to compare Bush to Hitler. Hitler actually served in combat after all!
Posted by JoeDoe  2004-1-5 6:53:52 PM||   2004-1-5 6:53:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 How silly to compare Bush to Hitler. Hitler actually served in combat after all!

How cute...a troll :P
Posted by Val 2004-1-5 7:21:19 PM||   2004-1-5 7:21:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 I think the Hitler-Bush comparison is misleading. Bush is not a Nazi, although his family had plenty to do with Hitler and the Nazis. Generally speaking, Bush is a fascist, more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.
Posted by hypocrit  2004-1-5 7:46:46 PM||   2004-1-5 7:46:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 He can't be a fascist. My train was late this morning.
Posted by Steve (another one) 2004-1-5 8:40:40 PM||   2004-1-5 8:40:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 He can't be a fascist. My train was late this morning.

Heh! I'm going to use that one!

Does the Army of Steve (TM) have some sort of special One-Liner Boot Camp or something ?
Posted by Carl in NH 2004-1-5 10:04:17 PM||   2004-1-5 10:04:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 
#29
Fascism is a specific political ideology. It envisages the state binding together society's classes, each of them weak in themselves, into a powerful whole, hence the symbol of the Roman fasces. It's marked by a cult of personality around The Leader (Il Duce, in Italian, der Fuerher in German). Individual freedom is subordinated to the good of the state and "rights" are allotted by the party and/or the state. It is "socialist" in that the state directs the priorities of production toward the ends of state policy, and industries may or may not be nationalized in the overriding national interest. Like communism, fascism was predicated on mobilization of The Masses™, and both were characterized by bands of bully boys who could be counted upon to enforce party policy on a local level - the brown shirt and the black shirts.

There was a difference even in Germany and Italy, the two "textbook" fascist states, and to a lesser extent Spain, between conservatives and fascists. Fascism is a revolutionary ideology, which is what makes it attractive to tin hats like Saddam and the elder Assad. Much of fascism's thinking has gone into latter-day revolutionary ideology; try picking your way through Qadaffi's maunderings, for instance.

So my point is that Bush isn't a fascist, in fact is furthest thing from a fascist. No cult of personality, no bully boys, no subordination of the individual to the needs of the state, no "national industrial policy," no masses, not even a good marching song.

Today's American conservatism has nothing to do with fascism. In fact, the Democrats and the Greens, with their emphasis on "coalitions" of groups being bound into a whole that's greater than the parts, approach the notion of fascism much more closely. Conservatives are slow to change the status quo and tend to be more pragmatic, and we extend our respect to the individual, not to the group.

Near moribund after the Second World War, the conservative movement has grown in recent years by the injection of new ideas, which you can follow in ourline if you read even liberal journals like The New Republic. "Paleoconservatives" like Pat Buchanan are sidelined or discredited. The goofs like the John Birch Society were chased out in the very early '60s by William F. Buckley's well-directed sneer. The neo-conservatives are people who were leftists in their youth, but grew up, bringing with them many of the same techniques of argument that they learned when they were leftists. And a good part of "conservativism" today is libertarianism of one sort or another - people who demand to be left alone to make their own mistakes without a Party to "help" them.

"Conservative" ideas keep coming because we keep arguing among ourselves. Anybody can play, as long as they're willing to defend their ideas (as opposed to calling names or falling back on "Marx sez...") Someday our end of the political spectrum will run out of steam and become as silly as the Dems are today, but that's in the future. We're still growing and having fun. You're not. Thhhhpppp!
Posted by Fred  2004-1-5 10:13:29 PM||   2004-1-5 10:13:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Nicely done, Fred, but hypocrit will never understand: you used some three-syllable words after all, and it's all spelled and punctuated correctly.

Perhaps JoeDoe could comment on the personal integrity and courage required to fly an F-102. He undoubtedly know, after all.
Posted by Steve White  2004-1-5 10:39:38 PM||   2004-1-5 10:39:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 If Bush is a Fascist,how come Michael Moore is still alive?Why are Afghans writing a new constitution for their country,instead of being lead to gas chambers?How come every self-described,card-carrying Neo-Nazi claims Bush is just a Zionist tool?

If this is the new Reich,where's the action?
Posted by El Id  2004-1-5 11:04:33 PM||   2004-1-5 11:04:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 I'll cop. I voted for Carter. Twice, ouch!
Posted by Lucky 2004-1-5 11:28:37 PM||   2004-1-5 11:28:37 PM|| Front Page Top

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