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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Monica Lewinsky makes a rare public appearance (YJCMSU)
For the last few years Monica Lewinsky has done her best to avoid the limelight. The 35-year-old is rarely seen in public, but was out-and-about in New York with her actor friend Alan Cumming yesterday.
OMG!! I must allow the snarks to write themselves.
Monica became the world's most famous intern following her affair with President Bill Clinton when she was aged just 21. She was thrust back into the political limelight last year when his wife Hilary Clinton ran for selection as the Democratic candidate, eventually losing to Barack Obama.

Yesterday a fuller-faced Monica joined Scottish-born Cumming and his artist husband Grant Shaffer for a spot of lunch in New York's Soho district.
It gets worse: Fuller-faced?
Casually dressed, she waved and smiled when she spotted the cameras, while 44-year-old Cumming wheeled his bike alongside her. Monica is a long-term friend of the actor, and attended his wedding in 2007.

Initially following her rise to notoriety Lewinsky started a venture making handbags, appeared on Saturday Night Live and hosted a short-lived reality show Mr Personality.

Then she attempted to drop out of public life.She even moved to Britain for a time to study at the London School of Economics, from where she graduated in December 2006 with a masters in social psychology. Apart from the occasional sighting, Monica has succeeded in becoming almost invisible.

'After she graduated we tried to keep a low profile,' her friend and sometime publicist, Barbara Hutson, told The Times. 'She's getting on with her life, she never wanted to be a public figure. She's going to try and be as anonymous as possible.'
Her figure and profile are very public any time she goes out, by virtue of taking so much public landscape. see pic.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 06/11/2009 16:15 || Comments || Link || [336076 views] Top|| File under:

#1  his husband?

Ohhhhhhhhhh....I see
Posted by: Frank G || 06/11/2009 16:40 Comments || Top||

#2  I wish her well. She was a young, gullible, mixed-up adult who did some stupid things that I'll just bet that she regrets today. She did exactly the right thing to get out of the limelight and get on with having a quiet, private life. It's too bad the paparazzi have to hover like vultures, though it's good to see that she handled it with some style.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/11/2009 16:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Alan Cumming? The loopy Scots git?
Posted by: mojo || 06/11/2009 16:41 Comments || Top||

#4  Ohhhhhhhhhh....I see

Yeah, it took me a minute or so to figure that one out too.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 06/11/2009 17:12 Comments || Top||

#5  Alan gay? Nahhhhhhh. Must be a typo.
Posted by: JDB || 06/11/2009 17:44 Comments || Top||

#6  She and Chastity Bono would make a cute couple.

Posted by: Frozen Al || 06/11/2009 18:26 Comments || Top||

#7  She's kinda hefty but not grotesque or anything. And she seems to have been living a responsible life since ... well, since being horribly abused, in my opinion. By Clinton, by the whole political establishment, by the media, and by the people. It's just wrong to keep harassing her for a long-ago and understandable mistake which was much more the fault of others than of herself.
Posted by: Glenmore || 06/11/2009 20:35 Comments || Top||

#8  Ok, she's back. So she blew it, so what? Can't they all just get along?
Posted by: Muggsy Glink || 06/11/2009 20:48 Comments || Top||

-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Democrat mutiny on climate bill grows
More and more Democrats are ready to vote against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's climate change bill, according to a congressional committee chairman who opposes his leader.
So call your Dem congresscritter and put the pressure on!
The House Agriculture Committee Chairman Collin Peterson (D-Minn.) said Wednesday that he's at an impasse with the lead sponsor of a climate change bill strongly backed by Pelosi (Asshole- D-Calif.), and that his list of Democratic members who would join him in voting against the measure is growing rather than shrinking.
Good! Keep it up, boyz.
"We're stuck," Peterson said regarding a clash he's had with House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) over a number of issues in the bill. "And there's a lot of issues that haven't even come up yet."

The two powerful chairmen are butting heads at the staff level, despite a deadline set by Pelosi for all committee action to be completed by June 19.

But that may be the least of the trouble. Peterson has warned that the bill put together by Waxman and Energy and Environment subcommittee Chairman Edward Markey (D-Mass.) will fail if agriculture-related provisions aren't altered, and he's said he has as many as 45 votes on his side. That number of Democratic defections would certainly doom the prospects of passing the bill in the House.
Doom away.
And while the Agriculture chairman said he's working to resolve those differences and not intentionally trying to torpedo the legislation, he noted that skepticism toward the bill is growing, not shrinking.
You mean some of Congress is getting a clue?
Trouble emerged before the Memorial Day recess when Peterson and Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) objected to Waxman moving the bill only through his committee. The two chairmen insisted they have a chance to mark up the bill, or at least see that changes were made.

Peterson threatened to have enough votes to kill the bill if he didn't get satisfaction, while Rangel said he wanted to focus on healthcare first before the rubes figure out how much that will mess their lives up - permanently, and leave the climate change bill for a later time.
Howzabout for NEVER. For both bills.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/11/2009 12:32 || Comments || Link || [336074 views] Top|| File under:

#1  “The House Agriculture Committee Chairman Collin Peterson (D-Minn.) said Wednesday that he's at an impasse…”

Rep. Peterson (D-Minn.) has traditionally been a loyal Dem. foot soldier. But there is no way he’s going to support the Climate change boondoggle. The way it’s written agricultural states will get screwed. He also represents a state that depends heavily on that icky coal energy. It’s hard to imagine Pelosi can pay him off enough to bend over for that kind of double penetration.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 06/11/2009 18:40 Comments || Top||

If you liked Dan Hannan's speech then you might like this.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 06/11/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336063 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Speaks well, doesn't he. I find myself envious of his skills.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 06/11/2009 6:19 Comments || Top||

#2  And he does it all without a teleprompter.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 06/11/2009 12:33 Comments || Top||

Business groups dare Obama to limit pay for union bosses
Heh heh heh...
Business groups are daring President Barack Obama to impose pay caps on labor union bosses in light of indications the White House will limit how much corporate executives can be paid.
Limit the pay for trust fund executives too while you're at it, Bambi ...
President Obama has argued "corporate greed" has contributed to the economic crisis and appointed a "compensation czar" to review executive pay for several companies receiving taxpayer bailout money Wednesday. Now White House officials have told the press legislation should be enacted to limit executive pay in private companies through nonbinding shareholders votes.
Which will become 'binding' in a short period of time ...
The Workforce Fairness Institute, which has lobbied heavily for the defeat of the Employee Free Choice Act to ease organization rules for labor unions, points to a 2008 Hudson Institute study that suggests unions have short-changed benefits for their rank and file in favor or generous executive compensation packages and to pad the coffers of their political allies, who are mostly Democrats.
There's a reason why union bosses have large diamond pinky rings ...
"On average, the 21 largest unions pension plans had less than 70 percent of the funds that they would need to cover their total obligations, and none were fully funded," the study said. "Seven were less than 65 percent funded. Yet 23 officer and staff funds from the same unions had 88.2 percent of the funding they would need to pay promise pensions, including seven full funded plans and another 13 with at least 80 percent of the required funds."

Business leaders who oppose plans to limit executive pay say if it is to be passed, labor unions should be included as well.

"Given that union bosses' job performances have yet to be scrutinized despite numerous, credible reports that they have engaged in 'creative accounting' and have mismanaged and underfunded worker pension plans, while wholly funding their own, is deplorable," said Katie Packer, executive director of the Workforce Fairness Institute
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/11/2009 15:58 || Comments || Link || [336062 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What is a union boss worth these days? I like to know both the pulic amount and the total compensation.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 06/11/2009 19:15 Comments || Top||

#2  As I said on another thread here, union bosses should be paid no more than union members - that seems to be what they want for companies, and their pensions should be paid out of the same fund as the members.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 06/11/2009 20:25 Comments || Top||

Bawney Fwank gets his panties in a knot - Host says goodbye
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 06/11/2009 13:55 || Comments || Link || [336077 views] Top|| File under:

BofA’s CEO: Fed pressured bank to buy Merrill
House lawmakers on Thursday accused the federal government of orchestrating a "shotgun wedding" between Bank of America Corp. and Merrill Lynch that cost taxpayers $20 billion, as a top bank executive said publicly for the first time that he was pressured into going through with the deal.

Bank of America Chief Executive Officer Kenneth Lewis testified that the federal government threatened to remove board members at his bank if it reneged on a promise to acquire Merrill Lynch, despite Merrill Lynch's crumbling financial state.

"What gave me concern is that they gave that threat to a bank in good standing," Lewis told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

The panel is investigating claims that then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke pressured Lewis and urged him to keep quiet about Merrill Lynch's financial problems. Not divulging that information would have violated Lewis' fiduciary duty to the bank's shareholders.

Lewis said he did nothing wrong. In the end, the decision to go ahead with the acquisition — with the promise of government support — was in everyone's best interest, he testified.

"This course made sense for Bank of America and its shareholders, and made sense for the stability of the markets," he said. "We viewed those two interests as consistent."

Lawmakers on the committee said they remain troubled by internal e-mails and other documents provided to them by the Fed after they issued a subpoena.

One e-mail, by an employee at the Richmond Federal Reserve, said Bernanke had made it clear that if Bank of America backed out and needed financial assistance, "management is gone."

Rep. Darrell Issa of California, the panel's top Republican, said the documents also "show that the government sought to manage the public disclosure of Merrill's mounting losses in order to control the situation."

Democratic Committee Chairman Edolphus Towns of New York said serious questions remain as to the timing of events.

"Why did a private business deal — announced in September and approved by shareholders in December — with no mention of government assistance, end up costing taxpayers $20 billion in January?" Towns asked.

Bank of America has received $45 billion from the government's $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. As part of that money, the bank received $20 billion in January after Lewis requested it to help offset mounting losses at Merrill Lynch & Co.

Just a few weeks after the deal was completed, Bank of America's fourth-quarter earnings report showed the hit taken by its balance sheet because of the Merrill Lynch transaction, which made Lewis the target of shareholder anger.

In January, Bank of America reported a $2.39 billion fourth-quarter loss, and Merrill Lynch disclosed a loss of more than $15 billion.
Posted by: Beavis || 06/11/2009 13:25 || Comments || Link || [336074 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Just shut up and buy it, Ken. -- Paulson/Bernanke
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 06/11/2009 15:19 Comments || Top||

#2  If no one bought Merrill, the damage would have been a lot bigger than $20 billion.
Posted by: Perfesser || 06/11/2009 16:39 Comments || Top||

#3  "We had to burn the village in order to save it"?
Posted by: Pappy || 06/11/2009 23:06 Comments || Top||

US to issue new executive pay curbs
[Mail and Globe] The Obama administration will give a new Treasury official power to reject executive pay packages at firms that receive United States government assistance and wants legislation that would seek to tame compensation across the corporate world, an administration official said on Wednesday.

President Barack Obama will ask Congress to give shareholders a non-binding voice on executive pay in an effort to link compensation to long-term performance rather than short-term gains, the official said.

Executive pay is a politically charged issue in the US. Bonuses totalling $165-million issued by one bailed out company in March set off a public and congressional outcry.

Obama and his economic team have been trying to temper the populist urge to cap salaries while at the same time trying to make the case that compensation practices contributed to the current crisis by encouraging high risk taking.

The president also will seek legislation that requires corporate compensation committees to be independent from corporate management. The move would give the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) authority to strengthen the independence of the corporate panels that set executive pay.

The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the proposal has not been made public.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was expected to spell out details of the plan later on Wednesday.

The proposals are part of an effort by the administration to rein in a compensation system that Obama and his economic team say has encouraged excessive risk taking and contributed to the financial crisis.

While the shareholder votes would not be binding, they would shed more light on skyrocketing executive pay and exert pressure on boards of directors. The administration believes the so-called "say-on-pay" plan will make directors more accountable to shareholders.
Posted by: Fred || 06/11/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336084 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Pulling into the station right on time. Wage and price controls.
Posted by: Besoeker || 06/11/2009 8:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Businesses and banks are learning what states learned decades ago, take a penny from the Federal government and you play by the Fed's rules. It's the mob approach, you borrow and they own you for life.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/11/2009 8:41 Comments || Top||

#3  No one in America should make more than Obama because no CEO runs several banks, a few automobile makers and 2 wars.

Compared to the "one" everyone is overpaid.
Posted by: airandee || 06/11/2009 8:42 Comments || Top||

#4  What I would like to know is who is getting fantastically wealthy from all these bold fresh moves by the government on our banks and our auto industry. Someone is. Someone always his. My guess is that it is someone high on the DNC list of contributers. The money trail will probably lead back to some friends of the president.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 06/11/2009 8:50 Comments || Top||

#5  No one in America should make more than Obama

Yeah, but how many execs get $100 million severance packages ala Clinton and Gore?
Posted by: ed || 06/11/2009 8:57 Comments || Top||

#6  Richard O,
I suspect you're almost on the right track. The money trail will lead to people somehow connected to Zero, but they're probably not 'friends' of his. Rather, he's a puppet of theirs. All during the election I tried to figure out who was the power behind him, because his path to power was way too easy - must have been quietly cleared for him. Nobody seemed to be interested in addressing that question though.
Posted by: Glenmore || 06/11/2009 8:58 Comments || Top||

#7  Who's Getting Bailout Money
Committed $10.5 trillion
Spent $2.7 trillion

I think I am going to be sick.
Posted by: ed || 06/11/2009 9:11 Comments || Top||

#8  “While the shareholder votes would not be binding, they would shed more light on skyrocketing executive pay…”

Yesterday I watched some interviews with Democrats on this proposal. Not surprisingly, Rep. Maxine Waters couldn’t even grasp the concept that a “bonus package” is all part of an overall “compensation package”. And when asked what’s the objective if the shareholders votes are non-binding she babbled about the discrepancies in executive vs. workers pay in very broad terms – not just recipients of TARP money. Rep. Barney Frank, as way to bolster his position, also couldn’t resist conflating excessive risk taking with executive compensation across the entire financial sector spectrum.
I hate to sound paranoid or conspiratorial but other then the architects of this grand scheme could anyone imagine where we would be less then six months into this administration? Yes we need oversight of the taxpayer’s dollars. But can you say “Spray the fire hose down the ski hill”?
Posted by: DepotGuy || 06/11/2009 11:50 Comments || Top||

#9  CNBC had a live interview with Bawney Fwanks on this. He didn't like the questions and walked off.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 06/11/2009 12:32 Comments || Top||

#10  ' Pulling into the station right on time. Wage and price controls.'

Obama - a skinny, swarthy Nixon for the 20th century.
Posted by: no mo uro || 06/11/2009 14:24 Comments || Top||

#11  ed, one of the programs on your (CNN's) list of Who's Getting Bailout money is called Making Home Affordable. My question is: making home affordable for whom? Certainly not the taxpayers. Certainly not prospective first time home buyers either because this program will prop up the already hyper-inflated housing prices. Maybe for the morons who signed their names on mortgages without reading them or understanding that they really couldn't afford them. Maybe for the bankers who should have known better than to make those loans. Pardon me if this is a little off the thread but they have $50 billion committed to that program. That doesn't seem very affordable to me.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 06/11/2009 14:26 Comments || Top||

#12  Republicans should offer amendments to cap the earnings of musicians, actors & NBA players.
Posted by: AzCat || 06/11/2009 15:01 Comments || Top||

#13  How can Bawney Fwanks tax these people if they're not going to be rich anymore?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 06/11/2009 15:08 Comments || Top||

#14  We can have pay curbs for executives right after we have pension curbs for SEIU leaders ...
Posted by: Steve White || 06/11/2009 15:34 Comments || Top||

#15  AzCat is on to something. How about the top 5 execs at Proctor/Gamble & Harpo Productions?
Posted by: Andy Ulusoque aka Broadhead6 || 06/11/2009 17:01 Comments || Top||

#16  One picayune detail of life: Obama, your days in office are only so many, and any decision you make can be reversed. No matter how bad you punk things up, the end is in sight. There, I forced myself to say something optimistic about a gloomy situation, as Americans are always optimistic, even when evidence points to the chance we might have no reason to be optimistic. Stump speech over.
Posted by: GirlThursday || 06/11/2009 19:34 Comments || Top||

#17  Dr Steve, I absolutely agree - all union bosses should be paid no more than the top union wage. After all, aren't the union leaders supposed to be union members as well? Why should they get more than the workers?
And their pensions should come out of the same fund as the other members.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 06/11/2009 20:16 Comments || Top||

#18  How about the top 5 execs at Procteror/ & Gamble & Harpo Productions?

Here in the middle of the Midwest the Proctoids make themselves clear on the proper spelling, Broadhead6. According to local legend, one of the senior executives even had business cards made up that said "It's -er, dammit!" Anyway, because P&G promotes exclusively from within -- they only hire at the entry level -- they don't have to compete on salary. Beyond the entry level their managers are from somewhat to significantly underpaid relative to their peers... the differential in pay versus outside increasing as one climbs the ladder.

I don't know anything about that other company, though. It must be headquartered in another city. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/11/2009 22:29 Comments || Top||

Home Front: Politix
AMA Opposes Public Insurance Plan
As the health care debate heats up, the American Medical Association is letting Congress know that it will oppose creation of a government-sponsored insurance plan, which President Obama and many other Democrats see as an essential element of legislation to remake the health care system.

The opposition, which comes as Mr. Obama prepares to address the powerful doctors’ group on Monday in Chicago, could be a major hurdle for advocates of a public insurance plan. The A.M.A., with about 250,000 members, is America’s largest physician organization.

While committed to the goal of affordable health insurance for all, the association had said in a general statement of principles that health services should be “provided through private markets, as they are currently.” It is now reacting, for the first time, to specific legislative proposals being drafted by Congress.

In the presidential campaign last year and in a letter to Congress last week, Mr. Obama called for a new “public health insurance option,” which he said would compete with private insurers and keep them honest.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California said Wednesday that she supported that goal. “A bill will not come out of the House without a public option,” she said Wednesday on MSNBC.

But in comments submitted to the Senate Finance Committee, the American Medical Association said: “The A.M.A. does not believe that creating a public health insurance option for non-disabled individuals under age 65 is the best way to expand health insurance coverage and lower costs. The introduction of a new public plan threatens to restrict patient choice by driving out private insurers, which currently provide coverage for nearly 70 percent of Americans.”

If private insurers are pushed out of the market, the group said, “the corresponding surge in public plan participation would likely lead to an explosion of costs that would need to be absorbed by taxpayers.”

While not the political behemoth it once was, the association probably has more influence than any other group in the health care industry. Lawmakers seek its opinion and support whenever possible. It has repeatedly persuaded Congress to cancel or postpone cuts in Medicare payments to doctors, though it has not secured a “permanent fix.”

If the doctors are too aggressive in fighting the public plan, they risk alienating Democrats whose support they need for legislation to increase their Medicare fees.

The group has historically had a strong lobbying operation, supplemented by generous campaign donations. Since the 2000 election cycle, its political action committee has contributed $9.8 million to Congressional candidates, according to data from the Federal Election Commission and the Center for Responsive Politics. Republicans got more than Democrats in the four election cycles before 2008, when 56 percent went to Democrats.

Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, said that in his address to the group next week, Mr. Obama would “outline the case for health care reform and make clear why we can’t afford to wait another year, or another administration, to bring down costs that are crushing families, businesses and government.”

Mr. Gibbs did not say whether Mr. Obama would discuss a public insurance plan, the most contentious issue in the debate.

The A.M.A., an umbrella group for 180 medical societies, does not speak for all doctors. One group, Physicians for a National Health Program, supports a single-payer system of insurance, in which a single public agency would pay for health services, but most care would still be delivered by private doctors and hospitals. In recent years, some doctors have become so fed up with the administrative hassles of private insurance that they are looking for alternatives.

Until now, stakeholders in the health care industry have generally muted their criticism of Democratic proposals. But as details of the legislation have emerged, the criticism has become more pointed.

America’s Health Insurance Plans, a lobby for insurers, said Tuesday that the government plan proposed by some Senate Democrats could “dismantle employer-based coverage and significantly increase costs for those who remain in private coverage.”

Under a proposal favored by many Democrats, doctors who take Medicare patients would also have to participate in the new public plan. Democrats say that requirement is needed to make sure the public plan can go into business right away with a large network of doctors.

The medical association said it “cannot support any plan design that mandates physician participation.” For one thing, it said, “many physicians and providers may not have the capability to accept the influx of new patients that could result from such a mandate.”

“In addition,” the A.M.A. said, “federal programs traditionally have never required physician or other provider participation, but rather such participation has been on a voluntary basis.”

In an interview, Dr. Nancy H. Nielsen, president of the American Medical Association, said she was delighted by Mr. Obama’s plan to address the doctors.

“Health care reform is as important to us as it is to him,” Dr. Nielsen said. “We will be engaged in discussions in a constructive way. But we absolutely oppose government control of health care decisions or mandatory physician participation in any insurance plan.”

Mr. Obama’s trip recalls a speech to the A.M.A. in Chicago on June 13, 1993, by Hillary Rodham Clinton. She proposed “a new bargain” in which the White House would limit malpractice lawsuits and free doctors from onerous rules if doctors supported her effort to overhaul the health care system.

The association agrees with Mr. Obama on some points. It says that individuals and families who can afford coverage should be required to obtain it.

Like Mr. Obama, the association wants Congress to cut payments to private Medicare Advantage plans. The White House says Medicare pays the private plans 14 percent more than it would cost the government to care for the same people in traditional Medicare.
Posted by: Beavis || 06/11/2009 10:47 || Comments || Link || [336074 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The A.M.A., with about 250,000 members, is America’s largest physician organization.

I'm guessing these boys (and lady doctors too) make substantial contributions to election campaigns. There may be hope yet.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 06/11/2009 12:49 Comments || Top||

#2  I thought the AMA was traditionally in favor of socialized medicine.

Wonders never cease.
Posted by: Mike || 06/11/2009 12:52 Comments || Top||

#3  They checked the amount Medicare and Tricare pay out and then Obama's rhetoric about 'cutting costs' and figured they weren't going to be able to pay for even their educational costs when it was all done.

Samuel Johnson - Nothing focuses the mind like a hanging.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/11/2009 13:06 Comments || Top||

#4  Only about 35% of all physicians are AMA members. Don't take all they say as representing physicians at large.

Socialized medicine = the end of America. Obama and his cronies know this. 2010 can't come soon enough.
Posted by: no mo uro || 06/11/2009 14:28 Comments || Top||

#5  The AMA is an organization that I would never belong to, for lots of reasons. If the AMA is coming out against this it's only because Bambi didn't meet their price.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/11/2009 15:26 Comments || Top||

#6  In the 60s the AMA fought Medicare tooth and nail until it was tooled into a nice Fee for Service profit center for their practice. The bloom fell off that rose when the government starting running Medicare more like Managed Care instead of Fee for Service.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 06/11/2009 16:02 Comments || Top||

Ford, Jr.: Letterman Wrong, But Palins 'Unique'
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: I wonder if it was the kid of Al Gore or Bill Clinton when he was president, or the Obamas, if that joke would ever be told.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: No, it never would.

HAROLD FORD, JR.: No, I disagree, I disagree. I've seen him go after --

BRZEZINSKI: But I mean this is an edge, this is an edge, to go after the kid and the issue of pregnancy in talking about a kid. I mean, come on. I'm talking about in this way.

FORD: Don't get me wrong. It was wrong. But I think he goes after, he's gone after--you do not have--the Palin situation is unique, and I don't want to get in the middle of their situation.

BRZEZINSKI: Why is it unique? I know a number of Democrats who have kids who have gotten pregnant.

FORD: Well --

BRZEZINSKI: Why is it unique?

FORD: I don't. Not at that--anyway, I don't want to get in the middle. He apologized.

BRZEZINSKI: Or have had problems with drugs.

SCARBOROUGH: Even though now the child is much older, there was a very powerful Democrat who everybody knew in Washington, their child had gotten in trouble with drugs --

BRZEZINSKI: I know of two.

SCARBOROUGH: And everybody stayed away from it, everybody protected that, that person. I think this is just an extension that people have for the Palins on the East Coast. I'm not saying that she's a good candidate or she's a great politician. I'm not saying it. I'm just saying we've seen this from the first day that Sarah Palin has come onto the scene politically, nationally, the Palins have been treated like aliens from another planet. And been targeted. We saw it. I mean, the Daily Kos lies about Sarah Palin. And the media just chased it, they were rabid. We saw it the first night it broke. There's something about the Palins that make people --

BRZEZINSKI: -- feel like they can go further.

SCARBOROUGH: that liberals hate.
Posted by: Fred || 06/11/2009 10:37 || Comments || Link || [336076 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mika is SO sexy...
Anyway, back to real-time...

Personally, I'd love to see 1.) Todd Palin ferret-out letterman in NYC; 2.) Rip lettermans tits off, and; 3.) Rip lettermans lungs out.

I'd sleep well---just knowing that had been taken care of. -as-
Posted by: Asymmetrical Triangulation || 06/11/2009 21:36 Comments || Top||

Visiting Hotair.com gets you pinged by CIA
I installed a fun bit of programming lately, which tells me who is pinging my computer when I go various places and blocks them if I don't wish them to do it. And one thing I noticed every time I loaded the Hotair.com page is that I get pinged by the Central Intelligence Agency.

Now, I have no way of verifying it's actually them and honestly it seems a bit silly of them to try and monitor something that way. And when I do a search on their IP, it does seem to match the CIA's own website.

I was astounded however to find that apparently Rantburg is not being monitored by the CIA. Perhaps it's not well known enough yet? Yet another fun bit of news to add to an already depressing day.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 06/11/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336077 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's weird...
What about the left sites?
Posted by: 3dc || 06/11/2009 0:07 Comments || Top||

#2  ping could be a "web bug" you picked up elsewhere.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/11/2009 0:09 Comments || Top||

#3  That's entirely possible OldSpook, I don't know a great deal about malware, etc. So far though it's the only place that ping does occur. And since I rarely visit lefty sites, I haven't really checked any.

I have seen quite a few interesting pings out of China and former eastern bloc countries though, which I assume to be coming from spambots or things.

The funniest so far are the People's Government Office of Mang Mountain District, New York Public Schools, Princess Royal Barracks and Swiss Federal Post and Telephone.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 06/11/2009 0:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Just making reservations for the re-education centers and labor camps is all.

Nothing to worry about. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Have a nice day.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/11/2009 1:05 Comments || Top||

#5  The following websites are also aboard the server of the IP you just posted:


Now, as a general guideline, nothing, as in zero should be pinging anything from any server unless the server is running automatic scripts with or without the knowledge of the server master/owner.

Pinging serves no useful purpose aboard a web server once it is deployed. Pinging is used by some automated malware as a precursor to check for open ports and potential vectors of attack by some classes of bots.

In fact pinging is hardly used in modern hacking tools. It is possible to check connectivity and for open ports to any internet node without pinging it at all.
Posted by: badanov || 06/11/2009 1:16 Comments || Top||

#6  Addendum: The server at the IP posted is running an unknown distro of Linux
Posted by: badanov || 06/11/2009 1:18 Comments || Top||

#7  Is that really a "ping" or are they hosting ads by those organizations and you are seeing traffic relevant to those ads?

I will check it out soon with some real network tools.
Posted by: crosspatch || 06/11/2009 2:57 Comments || Top||

#8  You're already way out beyond the things I know. The software lists IP's that attempt access to my computer as I move around on the web. That's as much as I know about it really.

I suspect that people are simply using such names to make people think it's something legit or the like, hoping to avoid getting blocked or noticed.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 06/11/2009 3:35 Comments || Top||

#9  On a hunch, I went to the cia web site; it is https://www.cia.gov. Note the s in https. Everyone else here may already have known that, but I didn't and was heartened to see it.

Does the https site ping as well? Maybe we should let them know if it does; they might have malware on their server.

I am reluctant now to go to http://www.cia.gov to cross check. The famous (mis)quote 'One can't be too rich, too thin, have too much ammo, or be too cautious where you go on the web' applies, methinks. I thought .gov was restricted.

The original quote is attributed mainly to 'Babe' Paley. The Duchess of Windsor and Gloria Vanderbilt are also reputed to have used the phrase. FYI, if you care.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 06/11/2009 6:41 Comments || Top||

#10  My guess is that being part of the federal government the CIA prolly has access to network tools so good, they would bring tears to your eyes...
Posted by: badanov || 06/11/2009 7:44 Comments || Top||

#11  Silent, do you use a hardware firewall, such as that comes with a WiFi router? It seems to eliminate the intrusions/garbage getting to the computer. I also run software firewalls, but that comes w/ the antivirus programs. I only see pings/attempted intrusions when on dialup (mostly from the ISP) when there is no HW firewall.
Posted by: ed || 06/11/2009 8:42 Comments || Top||

#12  I haven't been to Hotair lately and I got pinged. Spend a lot of time elsewhere and at the Burg. My spyware was removed and the modem blocked but I have dial-up. I contacted the server and they are scanning to find the problem.
Posted by: Lumpy Elmoluck5091 || 06/11/2009 8:57 Comments || Top||

#13  I always go to conservative and rightwing blogs, conspiracy online radios, and to pr0n websites.
Does this mean the CIA is watching me masturbate?
That would be very disturbing, and, yet, strangely arousing.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 06/11/2009 10:21 Comments || Top||

#14  badanov: The truly strange thing about technology is that it's there when you don't expect it to be, and not there where it should obviously be.

The latest incarnation is the "CSI Effect" where, because of a TV show, police departments all over the country were assumed to have high tech laboratories instead of what they actually had, two guys in what used to be a restroom, with some file cabinets, a fax machine and a microscope.

If I was getting pinged by cia.gov, the first thing I would guess is that somebody there with an Internet connection on his unclassified only PC, had gotten infected with a rootkit while surfing for p*rn.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/11/2009 10:24 Comments || Top||

#15  For anonymous5089: Playboy Girls of the CIA (NSFW, Duh!)
Posted by: ed || 06/11/2009 10:58 Comments || Top||

#16  Now there goes the thread.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/11/2009 11:23 Comments || Top||

#17  If, at some point during your life, you have not been interviewed by a federal agent of some type (FBI, ATF, NCIS, etc.) you really aren't applying youself and need to try harder.
Posted by: GORT || 06/11/2009 13:09 Comments || Top||

#18  While I haven't been interviewed, I HAVE already passed 2 background checks to buy rifles through the DCM programs and of course, passed my background check for my carry permit. Heck, it was fun going to the police station and asking to be fingerprinted for my paperwork on the first DCM rifle I bought. The officer who fingerprinted me told me that the best ink remover was moonshine but the chief refused to let them use it.

So no, I'm not worried about being noticed:p It's just funny to see these sorts of things.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 06/11/2009 17:35 Comments || Top||

#19  I can let ya have some silentbrick.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 06/11/2009 19:08 Comments || Top||

#20  Admit it Silentbrick, this is all just an elaborate setup to avoid explaining the Russian pr0n bill on the credit card. :p
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 06/11/2009 23:36 Comments || Top||

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