[Seems rather quiet, you know, all those wretched people who screamed about Americans and their bombing of 'innocents' in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Americans have spent over 60 years to do pin point attacks on specific targets to reduce civilian casualties. When other don't even try, those voices go silent.]
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Bombing civilians didn't work for Hitler when he did it to Britain. I think there are lots of other examples to show that it tends to stiffen civilian resolve rather than demoralize. Putin was probably seriously pissed about the bridge to Crimea but he'd do better striking Ukrainian infrastructure than civilians. Could be that his aim just isn't all that great.
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Oh, I don't know. Maybe if the Ukrainians would stop positioning artillery near train stations, schools, and shopping centers, then maybe a few less civilians (weren't those same civilians given AK-47s?) would get flattened.
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[Korrespondent] 23:09 Against the backdrop of intensified missile attacks on infrastructure, the supply of air defense systems to Ukraine has become a top priority, German Foreign Minister Annalena Berbock said in an interview with Phoenix: "If we talk about tanks, they are already being supplied by other countries. In addition, thanks to the advance to the east, Ukrainian troops were able to capture a large number of Russian tanks. Therefore, now this issue is not as acute as the need for air defense."
23:05 Zelensky said that the key hot spots in the Donbass now are Soledar and Bakhmut, very heavy battles are going on there: "The invaders have thrown everyone they could against our forces, including 2000" prisoners "- they are among the mercenaries right there. And these are "zeks" with long sentences for serious crimes. They are kept at the front not only with money, but also with the promise of an amnesty. This is how the Russian state sponsors terror - it looks for murderers in prisons and promises them freedom if they kill again. Someone then the world still doubts whether it is worth officially recognizing Russia as a terrorist state?
23:03 Zelensky said that Ukraine now has the most meaningful relations with Saudi Arabia in 30 years: "There are serious agreements. Among other things, this is the partners' decision to provide a $400 million humanitarian support package. This is very important."
22:58 Zelensky said that Ukraine has already been able to export almost 8 million tons of food by sea - more than 300 ships. At the same time, 60% of the volume was sent to Africa and Asia. "We must do everything to ensure that Ukrainian grain exports only expand... This week, which begins, I expect new international results for our state," the president stressed.
22:51 Zelensky, in an evening video message, urged Ukrainians to be conscious of electricity consumption during peak hours: "This is an insignificant thing for every person's life - but very significant within the entire energy system. For example, this Saturday, residents of the Chernihiv region limited their electricity consumption by 20% "In the whole country - by an average of 10%. Kiev and the region - only by 7%. Please do more - if possible. From 17:00 to 23:00 we must reduce our electricity consumption. This is such a step, who, together with others, will ensure the defeat of Russian terrorist plans."
22:36 As a result of today's shelling from Russia, there were emergency shutdowns in the Sumy region, said the head of the OVA Dmitry Zhivitsky. So, at present there is not enough capacity for the Shostka district. Power engineers are trying to stabilize the grid, but they need help to speed up the process: the population is urged to limit electricity consumption today until the end of the day and tomorrow from 8:00 to 11:00.
22:27 The head of the Nikolaev OVA, Vitaly Kim, said that the Russians were attacking the region with Iranian drones, several of them were shot down, but there were also hits.
22:15 The Foreign Ministers of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania issued a joint statement calling on the EU, together with international partners, to help Ukraine create a Special Tribunal that will judge the top leadership of the Russian Federation.
21:53 The occupiers do not let people into the free territory of Ukraine: only 173 people left during the day, including 36 children, said the head of the Zaporizhzhia OVA, Alexander Starukh. According to him, the Russians continue to brutally shell Orekhov and Gulyaipole: 52 civilian infrastructure facilities in 20 settlements were damaged, 23 buildings were completely destroyed.
21:26 Belarus is reinforcing the border with Ukraine - "enlarged border detachments and mobile groups of territorial bodies of the border service" are being withdrawn there, the Border Committee of the Republic of Belarus said. The decision was made against the backdrop of "an increase in intelligence activity on the Ukrainian side."
20:07 On Monday, October 17, the EU Council will consider the ninth package of sanctions against Russia, said Latvian Foreign Minister Edgars Rinkevics: "The EU Foreign Affairs Council will call for greater support for Ukraine, work on the ninth package of sanctions against the Russian Federation, as well as the confiscation of frozen Russian state assets and the creation of a special tribunal for crimes committed by Russia."
19:48 The invaders are stepping up filtration measures in the Kherson region and have begun the process of evacuating the so-called "state institutions." According to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, employees and property of banks and a pension fund are being taken from Kherson to Crimea.
18:43 Obama said that communication between the White House and the Putin administration is even weaker than during the Soviet era: "I think that now we are dealing with a type of Russian regime that is even more isolated and closed. Putin has consolidated the decision-making process to such degree, which we did not see even in Soviet times".
18:36 Washington will respond to Russia's use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine, regardless of the scale of the strike, Biden's national security adviser Jake Sullivan said: "The use of nuclear weapons on the battlefield in Ukraine is the use of nuclear weapons on the battlefield, we are not going to make gradations" .
18:21 Peskov said that NATO "de facto has already got into the Ukrainian conflict, but this in no way affects all of our goals and assumptions, that is, the operation continues, and it will be brought to an end." According to him, NATO's participation "complicates" Russia's tasks, but it has enough resources to complete the "special operation."
17:30 France will supply Ukraine with Crotale short-range air defense systems, Defense Minister Sebastien Lecornu said. According to him, they will be especially useful in the fight against drones and aerial bombardments.
17:23 Israeli Diaspora Minister Nachman Shai believes it's time for Ukraine to receive the same military assistance from Israel as from the US and NATO: "This morning there were reports that Iran is transferring ballistic missiles to Russia. There are no more doubt which side Israel should take in this bloody conflict."
16:44 In the southern direction, the ratio of losses among Ukrainian defenders and Russian occupiers is approximately 1 to 6.5. The commander of OK Pivden, Major General Andrey Kovalchuk, says that the critical limit of the loss ratio is 1 to 8, after which the enemy army will begin to psychologically "crumble".
16:17 Due to the strike on the Kerch bridge, the Russians have lost the opportunity to transfer weapons and equipment to the Crimea, said the speaker of the Operational Command Pivden Natalia Gumenyuk: "They are in a very critical condition with equipment, with supplies, with logistics. Because the reserves were really pulled up from there ", and almost 75% of these deliveries passed through the Crimean bridge. Now even the sea is on our side, even nature is against something functioning there, because they even stopped ferries. Because of the wind, it is impossible to communicate between points across the strait , so they really suffer because of the lack of equipment, ammunition, military equipment."
15:58 The aviation component of the regional group of troops has started arriving in Belarus from Russia, the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Belarus has reported. It is also reported that the number of Russian military, which will be in Belarus as part of the deployment of the group, will be up to 9,000 people.
15:41 The missile attack on October 11-12 was planned with the participation of Russian power engineers - this is evidenced by the choice of targets in the Ukrainian power grids and its scale, said Volodymyr Kudrytsky, Chairman of the Board of NPC Ukrenergo, in an interview with BIHUS info.
14:14 The Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced that it guarantees the payment of 100 thousand dollars for the transfer of Igor Girkin (Strelkov) to Ukrainian captivity.
12:47 Iran is strengthening its commitment to supply weapons to Russia and is ready to transfer not only drones, but also ground-to-ground missiles, writes The Washington Post, citing US and allied security officials. According to Western intelligence, Iran's industry is preparing the first batch of Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar missiles, two well-known short-range Iranian ballistic missiles capable of hitting targets at a distance of 300 and 700 km, respectively. If the plan is implemented, this will be the first delivery of such missiles to Russia since the beginning of the war.
In addition, Iran is preparing new deliveries of unmanned aerial vehicles for Russia, including dozens of additional Mohajer-6s and more Shahed-136s.
12:16 Kyiv and the entire central region spent the evening of October 15 without forced restrictions on electricity consumption due to the fact that Ukrainians deliberately limited the use of electrical appliances in the evening. According to Ukrenergo, consumers in Kyiv and the region together reduced their consumption by 7%, and the residents of the Chernihiv region became the most conscious, their result is almost 20%.
11:40 The Egyptian Embassy in Ukraine called on its citizens to leave the country as soon as possible.
11:38 The air defense system worked over Belgorod, at least 16 explosions sounded, Russian media write.
11:33 Mayor of Melitopol Ivan Fedorov outlined the successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in recent days in the Zaporozhye direction:
an ammunition depot was destroyed near Hulyaypole and more than 20 invaders were wounded;
in Tokmak, ten units of military equipment were destroyed and up to 40 Russian servicemen were wounded;
in Pologi - up to 30 wounded invaders;
in Kamenka-Dniprovska, seven units of military equipment were destroyed and about 40 enemy servicemen were wounded;
the number of dead, which the invaders are trying to carefully hide, is being specified;
in the areas of the settlements of Orekhov, Horse Discord and Tokmak, about 100 invaders were struck, among them more than 25 were just mobilized;
in the Berdyansk region, four S-300 complexes were destroyed.
10:05 British intelligence notes that the Russian defense industry is probably not able to produce ammunition quickly enough. On October 10 alone, Russia fired more than 80 cruise missiles into Ukraine, of which more than half were shot down by air defense forces. The Russian defense industry is likely unable to produce advanced munitions at the rate they are used up, analysts conclude.
10:03 The General Staff announced the approximate losses of the enemy on the morning of October 16. The enemy suffered the greatest losses in the Krivoy Rog and Bakhmut directions.
personnel - about 65,000 (+300) people liquidated,
tanks - 2529 (+5),
armored combat vehicles - 5193 (+14),
artillery systems - 1589 (+7),
MLRS - 365 (+0),
air defense systems - 186 (+0),
aircraft - 268 (+0),
helicopters - 242 (+0),
UAV operational-tactical level - 1224 (+14),
cruise missiles - 316 (+0),
ships/boats - 16 (+0),
automotive equipment and tankers - 3959 (+8),
special equipment - 143 (+1).
09:52 In the Kharkiv region, over the past day, the enemy has been shelling settlements near the collision line and the border with the Russian Federation in the Chuguevsky, Kharkov, Izyum and Kupyansky districts. In the Kupyansky district, three people were hospitalized with a wound, Oleg Sinegubov, head of the OVA, said.
09:43 The enemy attacked the Nikolaev region from the Bastion coastal missile system with one Onyx-type cruise missile from the territory of Crimea, there were no losses, OK Pivden reported. Also on October 15, during enemy shelling of the Resurrection community, one person was injured, a residential building and an administrative building of the railway station were damaged, Vitaly Kim, head of the Nikolaev OVA, said.
09:38 In the Pologovsky district of the Zaporozhye region, as a result of the morning shelling of the Russians, two schools were destroyed, the head of the OVA, Alexander Starukh, said. Also tonight, the enemy fired two rockets at a school in the village of Vozdvizhenka. The educational institution was almost completely destroyed. Another rocket hit a local park, damaging private houses around. Also, a school in the village of Dobropolye was destroyed by rockets, no one was injured.
09:32 In the Donetsk region, as a result of Russian shelling over the past day, one civilian was killed - in Bakhmut. In addition, the bodies of six more civilians killed by the Russians during the occupation were found in Liman. Three more people were injured yesterday, Pavel Kirilenko, head of the OVA, said.
09:30 The "DPR" stated that the building of the city administration of Donetsk was damaged as a result of shelling by Ukrainian troops.
09:01 The Chinese Foreign Ministry called on its citizens to leave Ukraine for security reasons.
08:02 Over the past day, units of the Defense Forces of Ukraine repelled enemy attacks in the areas of the settlements of Torskoye and Disputed in the Kramatorsk direction, Berestovo, Soledar and Bakhmut in the Bakhmut direction and Maryinka, Pobeda and Nevelskoye in the Avdievsky direction, the General Staff said in the morning report .
07:31 Russians at night fired from Gradov and heavy artillery at the Nikopol and Marganets community of the Nikopol district of the Dnipropetrovsk region. Nikopol suffered the most - as a result of the shelling, one person was wounded there, said the head of the UVA, Valentin Reznichenko.
05:15 The American Institute for the Study of War (ISW) writes that PMC Wagner is trying to establish an advantage over the Russian Ministry of Defense, and its founder Yevgeny Prigozhin wants to curry favor with Putin and separate Wagner's forces from the conventional forces of the Defense Ministry.
02:28 It will be much more difficult for the Russians to fight in winter than the Armed Forces of Ukraine, because, compared to the Ukrainian troops, they are not well equipped, not ready and not trained, says Ben Hodges, ex-commander of the US Ground Forces in Europe.
00:37 The former "Minister of Defense of the DPR", the ex-leader of the Donetsk militants Igor Girkin (Strelkov), is probably fighting in Ukraine again - this follows from his wife's post on social networks. Ukrainian activist Sergei Sternenko wrote that he would give $10,000 from his personal savings to anyone who would take Girkin prisoner. After that, the leader of the Antitila group, Taras Topolya, announced that he would add another 10,000 to this money. Military writer Valery Markus also promised $10,000. They were joined by tennis player Serhiy Stakhovsky, as well as the head of the Luhansk OVA Serhiy Gaidai - each for 10 thousand dollars.
Thus, as of the beginning of Sunday, 50 thousand dollars have already been promised for the living prisoner Girkin. “I feel that the Buryats can bring it to us in the trunk,” summed up Sternenko.
00:08 Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian claims that his country does not supply drones to Russia: "The Islamic Republic of Iran has not supplied and will not supply weapons to any side involved in the war in Ukraine. We think that arming any side of the crisis will lead to prolongation of the war, therefore we did not and do not consider war to be the right decision either in Ukraine, or in Afghanistan, or in Syria and Yemen."
Kindly note that several entries in this article were removed because they included discussions of the grand strategic level.
[NewsFrontInfo] 23:31 There is a major fire in Nikolaev. The warehouse of fuels and lubricants is on fire. Drones "Geran-2" worked.
22:47 UAV strikes destroyed four reconnaissance radar stations of the Ukrainian troops "Zoo" and a US-made AN/TPQ-36 counterbattery combat station. 22:31 Russian servicemen repelled attacks on the Andreevsky and Nikolaev directions.
22:17 The RF Armed Forces have been attacking military command and control facilities and the energy system of Ukraine for 24 hours, the goals have been achieved, all facilities have been hit, the Defense Ministry said.
21:30 Several explosions were heard in Odessa and the region.
19:34 Svatovsko-Kremenskaya defensive operation: the enemy went on the offensive and was defeated by the forces of the "tvazhny" and ZVO.
Situation for 1.5 days:
▪ Our troops are strengthening the front along the left bank of the Zherebets River, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are constantly probing our defenses.
▪ The enemy continues to accumulate forces and carry out offensive operations in small groups.
▪ A day ago, the Armed Forces of Ukraine went on a counteroffensive in the Torsky area with two armored groups, the enemy was driven back by dense artillery fire and the Brave MLRS.
▪ At this time, from the side of Dibrovo, mobile groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to break through to the flank. We drove into the mines, were finished off by the special forces of the "O" group with the help of ATGMs and AGS.
▪ Later, the Armed Forces of Ukraine again tried to conduct reconnaissance in battle near the settlement. Torskoe and Novosadovoe, Sergeevka and Makeevka. They were traditionally met by artillery and tankers, as a result of a fire defeat, the enemy was thrown back. Up to 60 militants, two infantry fighting vehicles and seven technicals were destroyed.
▪ Also, near Kreminnaya, the Armed Forces of Ukraine unsuccessfully tried to force the Stallion River near Nevsky and Tern.
▪ The enemy is trying to advance near Kupyansk on Olshany, Kislovka and in the direction of Svatovo near Raigorodka, fighting is going on in these areas.
▪ After many days of long battles, the enemy failed to succeed at Tavolzhanka and went on the defensive.
▪ Part of the forces from Tavolzhanka is transferred to Petropavlovka, where the Ukrainian command forms a strike force.
19:01 Information from the Kherson direction. Over the past day, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction have lost:
- killed and wounded - more than 350 people;
- 11 tanks, 18 armored fighting vehicles, eight vehicles were destroyed;
— destroyed two guns;
— 2 RAV warehouses were destroyed;
- Air defense forces intercepted six UAVs, eight shells of MLRS HIMARS and Alder
19:00 The enemy has gathered large forces near Soledar and is attacking, trying to break through the front. All previous such attempts have bogged down. Now the enemy is using even more people, even more equipment, and NATO artillery is even more active.
With heroic efforts, the fighters of the 2nd Army Corps hold back the enemy. Inflict fire defeat on its units. The fight is tense. Ours are smart and efficient.
17:56 Four artillery reconnaissance radar stations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Zoo" and a US-made counterbattery combat station AN/TPQ-36 were destroyed by strikes from Russian UAVs - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
17:28 Kremenchug air raid alert.
15:52 The Armed Forces of Ukraine are losing positions near Donetsk and retreated to Nevelskoye. A unit of the 100th Brigade of the DPR overwhelms the Ukronazis from all guns in the Avdievka direction. Ukrainian militants can only retreat to previously prepared positions. They are fortified strongholds connected by communications.
13:27 Arrivals in Kremenchug and Kirovograd are reported. Kamikaze drones are flying towards western Ukraine, - the mayor of Kamenetz-Podolsky. Ukrainian sources write about the takeoff of the MiG-31 with the Kinzhal missile.
13:14 Explosions are heard in Kyiv.
13:08 Russian missiles have been spotted over Kharkiv and the Zaporozhye region - drones are flying to the West. Previously, two "Caliber" fly towards the Ukrainian capital. In addition, several Geran-2 drones were seen flying towards the western part of Ukraine.
12:45 An air raid alert has been announced throughout Ukraine.
11:02 Zelensky announced a critical situation in the Bakhmut direction.
08:10 Air alert is reported in almost all regions of Ukraine.
#1
Russian AF has some severe problems. This is inside Russia and note the pilot and parachute. Putin and his oligarch thieves have stolen from this nation so bad and the slaves of Russia keep letting them.
Kinda weird seeing US GOP types pulling for Russia and Iran:
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[NewsFrontInfo] 22:11 An attempt at an offensive by Ukrainian troops was thwarted in the Kupyansk direction, attempts to force the Zherebets River were thwarted in the Krasnolymansk direction, Russian troops captured the dominant heights in the Neskuchny area in the DPR in the Zaporozhye direction. 19:09 The administration of Donetsk continues to work in operational mode, despite the morning shelling. This was announced by the mayor of Donetsk.
19:05 Ukrainian troops changed their plan to seize the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, choosing a place to force the Dnieper - the western part of the Kakhovka reservoir, Rogov, a member of the main council of the administration of the Zaporizhzhya region, told RIA Novosti.
18:02 The number of wounded due to the shelling of the administration building in Donetsk has increased to five people - the headquarters of the DPR's defense.
17:37 Shelling from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was recorded in the following directions:
-- n.p. Friendship - n.p. Gorlovka (Nikitovsky district): four rounds of 152mm caliber were fired;
-- n.p. Orlovka - n.p. Makeevka (Kirovskiy district): four rounds of 155mm caliber were fired.
17:20 Shelling was recorded from the side of the VFU in the direction:
— n.p. Friendship - n.p. Gorlovka (Nikitovsky district): six rounds of 122mm caliber were fired.
16:37 On the operational lines of the DPR JCCC for October 16, received additional information on civilian casualties in the cities of the Republic:
Donetsk (Voroshilovsky district):
- a man born in 1949 was wounded.
Received additional information on damage as a result of shelling of the VFU cities of the Republic:
Donetsk (Kuibyshevsky district):
- st. Frunze, 213, 228 - private residential buildings;
- st. Krakowska, 20 - multi-apartment residential building.
n.p. Yakovlevka:
- st. Kolkhoznaya, 1 - MOU "Yakovlevskaya school of the city of Yasinovataya".
15:27 Shelling was recorded from the side of the VFU in the direction:
-- n.p. Avdiivka - n.p. Yasinovataya: fired five rounds of 122mm caliber.
15:05 Shelling was recorded from the side of the VFU in the direction:
-- n.p. Krasnogorovka - Donetsk (Kirovsky district): three rounds of 152mm caliber were fired.
13:41 The Kuibyshevsky district of Donetsk is again under enemy fire. According to the JCCC at 13:28 from N. p. 4 more NATO-style rounds of 155mm caliber were fired at civilians in Netaylovo.
11:25 Shelling was recorded from the side of the VFU in the direction:
-- n.p. Netaylovo - Donetsk (Kuibyshevsky district): three rounds of 155mm caliber were fired.
11:05 Shelling was recorded from the side of the VFU in the direction:
-- n.p. Orlovka - n.p. Makeevka (Kirovskiy district): three rounds of 155mm caliber were fired.
09:45 Fire was recorded from the side of the VFU in the direction:
-- n.p. Netaylovo - Donetsk (Leninsky district): three rounds of 155mm caliber were fired.
09:36 During the shelling of the Armed Forces of Donetsk City Administration on the street. Artyom was injured by civilians: a man born in 1963. and a man born in 1984 The injured were taken to the Republican Trauma Center.
09:07 Over the past day, one person died on the territory of the DPR, four more residents were injured - Headquarters of the Territorial Defense of the DPR.
09:05 Shelling was recorded from the side of the VFU in the direction:
-- n.p. Orlovka - Donetsk (Kuibyshevsky district): three rounds of 155mm caliber were fired.
09:00 The mother of a Ukrainian militant from Energodar voluntarily handed over her son's cache: weapons, nationalist literature and symbols and called on fellow countrymen to follow their example.
08:54 Fire was recorded from the side of the VFU in the direction:
-- n.p. Kurakhovo - Donetsk (Voroshilovsky district): three missiles were fired from the M142 Himars installation.
08:28 More than 10 explosions thundered in Nova Kakhovka, Kherson region, air defense systems are working - authorities.
08:08 Fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired at the evacuation groups that were taking refugees out of Artemivsk. According to the affected residents, Ukrainian troops began dropping grenades from drones.
08:06 Arrival took place at the administration building of the Voroshilovsky district of Donetsk - Zvezda.
08:00 Shelling was recorded from the side of the VFU in the direction:
-- n.p. Orlovka - Donetsk (Kyiv region): three rounds of 155mm caliber were fired.
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[REGNUM] Officers from the Armed Forces of the United States, Britain and Poland are directly involved in the battles in the Kharkiv direction, said a captured militant of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a video of whose testimony was published on October 17 by the RIA Novosti agency.
In particular, militant Viktor Berezhnoy, who was captured near the village of Berestovoye in the Kharkiv region, said that during his service in intelligence units, his group led at least five groups of foreign military personnel totaling about 100 people to specified areas.
In addition, he stated that he personally saw active officers of the Armed Forces of the United States, Britain and Poland in ranks from lieutenant to lieutenant colonel.
"If foreigners had not helped us, we would have disintegrated immediately. There are very few of us and we have a lot of inexperienced fighters," complained a captured militant of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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If we don’t tap the brakes on our involvement we’ll be in a real live honest to goodness shooting war with Russia and its minions
Once that starts a nuke is almost inevitable
#4
Like it or not, if Russia isn't stopped in Ukraine the next stop is Poland, Moldova and the Baltic States. The Western Europe becomes their bitch. I'd far rather they were our bitch.
They gave up on taking Kiev ages ago. Now they’re going for turning the country into depopulated rubble as punishment for daring to try to escape Moscow’s embrace.
If Russia will not stop, why did Russia return territory to Georgia once Georgia stopped its belligerency in 2008?
Anyways, there's enough open source - Brooklyn and Cockney accents among UAF troops, English being spoken over comms, English classes for UAF troops - it does not take a leap of faith to come to this conclusion.
#8
No surprise that Zelensky's boys aren't winning this thing without a little help. I just don't wanna hear any moaning about Americans, Brits and Poles who get their butts blown off fighting somebody else's war. I don't like paying for it either.
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Like it or not, if Russia isn't stopped in Ukraine the next stop is Poland, Moldova and the Baltic States. The Western Europe becomes their bitch. I'd far rather they were our bitch.
Bullshit.
If Putin attacks a NATO country, he will get a NATO response and justifiably so. He knows that. He won't do it.
But Ukraine is not a NATO country nor should it be. Ukraine is not Poland. Donbas is not the Sudetenland. Putin is not Hitler. Crimea was Russian centuries before it was Ukrainian and even then only on the map when it was all part of the Soviet Union and nobody thought it mattered. Asking Putin to give Crimea back would be like asking America to give Oklahoma back. It won't happen without a fight and America has no dog in that fight.
Joe Biden's primary responsibility is to the security of the American people. He ignores our security on our own border while risking that security in a part of the world where the American people have no interest and where Russians have a great interest. Biden is asking for trouble that we don't need. Biden should be impeached.
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If Russia wins in Ukraine, Dale's spontaneous emission will knock that entire hemisphere back for a thousand years...
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If Putin attacks a NATO country, he will get a NATO response
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#13
Stalin did not attack NATO. Neither did Khrushchev, Brezhnev or Gorbachev. Those people were all ruthless, ambitious murderous thugs but they did not they did not attack NATO because they didn't want to get their asses kicked. If you think that Putin is cut from the same cloth, why would he be any different?
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I think NATO might be a paper tiger. Germany, France and others have turned their militaries into make work programs. They couldn't fight if they wanted to, and they don't want to. Plus I don't see this administration as good for anything but hand wringing. Putin could nuke the whole continent and we'd sit by and watch IMHO.
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[REGNUM] The militants of the nationalist Azov Regiment (an organization whose activities are banned in the Russian Federation) confessed to the repeated killings of civilians in Mariupol.
Renat Aliev, one of the captured members of the unit, said he killed four civilians with a Dragunov sniper rifle in early April. According to him, this happened unintentionally, during the battle.
Sergeant "Azov" Mikhail Shvets admitted that he shot a civilian during a shootout with the Russian military.
“I didn’t see that it was a civilian, I just shot at him on a reflex ... I admitted everything at the investigative committee,” he told RIA Novosti. According to him, another nationalist shot a pensioner in the shop.
Earlier it was reported that the commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine threatened to shoot militants from the Azov regiment (an organization whose activities are banned in the Russian Federation) for trying to surrender during the battles for Mariupol.
#4
'We', 'debated', 'voted'... You are assuming this administration is legitimate and works for America.
All those cheering Ukraine and the Globalist clown bastard flunkey are actually cheering the ones who they hate, the ones out to get them and their kids in the end. This has been the story of the Right wing for a long, unhealthy amount of time. Not knowing who the real enemy is. The red scare is so deeply ingrained in everyone, and fed anti-Russian tropes by Hollywood and popular humour, all America now looks eastward for sources if communism. While being successfully subjected to it by their own administrations everyday. Trillions are poured into 'protecting democracy' while democracy is denied Erica itself.
People look at the 'boo hoo hoo they killed my baby who I was walking in a pram in the middle of a motherfucking WAR!' news, and gnash their teeth at ye Olde enemy. And end up cheering for Zelensky.
Watch this thread too populated by comments saying I'm a Russian sympathizer, Putin is eee-vil, and Woohoo! for the Biden and other leftist regimes all deciding correctly in supporting Ukraine.
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Dron66046, there is also the hatred of the Far Left towards Russia. Think of all the people like Sen. Bernie *spit* Sanders that wax nostalgic about the Soviet Union. Putin betrayed their Socialist Dreams! So we have a shared mania of Russophobia between Far Left and Far Right.
#7
I agree, magpie. Of course the Left is something we cannot expect sanity from. We can only reproach our own house.
I preferred DJTs treatment of Russia. It was firm, respectful and no-nonsense. The thing in Syria too wasn't dialled down to any significant level, but even so he was building a live-and-let-live rapport. True balance of power.
But then DJT was not real GOP. He was just 100% sane.
Watch this thread too populated by comments saying I'm a Russian sympathizer, Putin is eee-vil, and Woohoo! for the Biden and other leftist regimes all deciding correctly in supporting Ukraine.
Yeah, it’s bizarre. We should be cheering on the killers of the Ukrainian Nazis.
Or at a minimum supporting Trump’s wise and sober policy instead of the “batshit crazy” Nuland-Biden policy
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We can only reproach our own house.
Yes. Precisely. The Democrats are fools and grifters but no one expects otherwise. There are no excuses for tolerating the insane warmongering of the likes of McCain and Miss Lindsey Graham. Shame on us for letting these little maniacs drag us into this mess.
I preferred DJTs treatment of Russia. It was firm, respectful and no-nonsense. But then DJT was not real GOP. He was just 100% sane.
Just imagine how much better off everyone would be, Ukrainians included but especially ourselves, if we could have continued with Trump’s tough-but-respectful, restrained, balanced approach toward Russia.
The only question now is how to stop this train and get to a negotiated settlement before Nuland-Biden drives it off a cliff.
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Just in case Billy B, purchase your ThyroSafe this week. 60 day supply ought to do it.
“Kyiv is well aware that such a step would mean a guaranteed escalation to World War Three," TASS quoted Alexander Venediktov, the deputy secretary of Russia's Security Council, as saying.
Venediktov, who is deputy to Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev, a powerful Putin ally, said he felt Ukraine's application was propaganda as the West understood the consequences of Ukrainian membership of NATO.
"The suicidal nature of such a step is understood by NATO members themselves," he said.
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* Why are we doing this?
Who the hell is Biden’s puppet master?
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Ref #12: As far ad I can tell, our tech oligarchs are in league with the Deep State and Klingons. Not sure who is actually in the driver's seat.
#18
Not even kidding: I bought a bottle of potassium iodine. It's on the way. I couldn't even buy tablets because they're all sold out. I had to buy powder, which you use to make a solution.
Thanks, Brandon, now I'm a fucking prepper. I really did this because they are really and truly escalating and could very well start a nuclear war.
#19
Ukrainian Nazis, Russian white supremacists — I see no difference between the two, especially since they were training together in St. Petersburg only a few years ago.
And I find it really tiresome to be insulted by both sides for refusing to see only the evil of the party they aren’t.
- have killed thousands and raped and tortured thousands more in eastern Ukraine
- set off a civil war that began in 2014 and that continues to this day
- bullied a weak amateurish new Ukrainian president into rejecting the peace platform he ran on and was elected to pursue, forcing him to walk away from the Minsk accords and escalating the war
- goaded that puppet president into making unreasonable and foolish demands — eg “taking back” Crimea — thereby pushing the US and Russia to the brink of a nuclear war.
Nuclear war. Largely because of the wicked and extraordinary influence of these monsters.
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* Boo hoo
Cry me a fucking river
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Commentary by Russian military blogger Andrey Chervonets The situation at the Andreevsky and Berislavsky sections
by the end of October 15, 2022
Early in the morning of October 15, after a short artillery preparation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the help of two battalion-tactical groups of the 60th Infantry and armored vehicles of the 17th Tank brigades, with the support of mobile groups of the 140th regiment of the Special Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, made an unsuccessful attempt to attack from Novaya Kamenka to the Dudchany-Mylovoe-Novogrigorovka line.
▪️ From the side of Davydov Brod, the Ukrainian command did not take offensive actions.
▪️The largest losses in manpower were suffered by units of the 140th regiment of the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which conducted reconnaissance in combat of the positions of the RF Armed Forces and were the first to enter the battle.
▪️Motorized infantry and enemy tanks following in the second echelon came under concentrated fire from 152mm self propelled Giacint-B guns and Smerch MLRS.
▪️At the same time, the air defense positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of Zeleny Gay, Novogrednevo and Murakhovka were attacked by Geran-2 and Lancet drones.
▪️After the suppression of the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a series of air strikes were inflicted on enemy units that suffered losses from artillery fire.
▪️The surviving fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fled across the fields in different directions from the places of fire destruction of columns of Ukrainian equipment. Mobile infantry groups of the RF Armed Forces are clearing forest belts near damaged and abandoned vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
▪️The Su-25 and Su-34 attack aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces continued to work on clusters of equipment and starting positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The attack cost the Armed Forces of Ukraine at least 120 people killed. At least 20 M-113 and BMP-2 armored vehicles were destroyed, as well as at least five T-64BV tanks.
Commentary by Russian military correspondent identfied as Kitten (Kotenok)
[ColonelCassad] Answers to questions about the course of the SVO for the channel "Voenkor Kotenok".
- Kyiv and NATO are increasingly discussing the use of tactical nuclear weapons by the Russian side. Is the West ready to detonate its own charge on the territory of Ukraine in order to accuse Moscow?
- Such a possibility exists, especially since the practice of provocations with the use of chemical weapons in Syria is already known. In the case of Ukraine, such a scenario has existed since the first days of the operation. This applies to both provocations and the possible use of a dirty bomb, which could have been created even before the start of the war or imported from outside. With the subsequent accusation of the Russian Federation of the use of WMD.
- Continues to receive information that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are accumulating in the Zaporozhye direction. Kyiv has not abandoned the idea to take Energodar and Zaporizhzhya NPP at any cost?
Of course, there are prerequisites for the active actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Zaporozhye direction. This applies both to river landings in the area of Energodar and the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, and to possible offensive actions in the direction of Vasilyevka, Tokmak and Pologi. Signals about such enemy activity continue to come through military channels. However, it cannot be ruled out that this is a certain psychological game of pulling Russian reserves in various directions.
Nevertheless, Zaporozhye remains one of the potential directions of the main attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the ongoing autumn campaign.
- Is there any military sense in the strikes against Belgorod, which are delivered from Ukrainian territory?
- There is no significant military meaning in these strikes, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not plan an attack on Belogorod. The strikes are for informational and logistical purposes. They cannot significantly undermine the military potential of the RF Armed Forces in the Belgorod sector. Nevertheless, it is necessary to strive for a situation where the ability of the Armed Forces to shell Belgorod will be reduced to zero, which requires the occupation of a significant part of the Kharkiv region in the medium term.
- In a number of areas, the weather is already deteriorating with an increase in mud, which seriously complicates the use of heavy military equipment. How long will the operational pause last after the onset of the autumn-winter period?
- Some decrease (but not a cessation of hostilities) will most likely last until the second half of November-December. In winter, one can expect the intensification of offensive operations from both sides.
So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are using the last weeks before the worsening weather to achieve operational and tactical results in the Kherson and Svatov directions, and are also preparing a strike in Zaporozhye.
— What caused the tightening of rhetoric on the part of official Minsk? Is it worth waiting for the entry of Belarusian troops into the NVO zone?
- The rhetoric of Minsk is associated with an increase in the number of provocations by NATO and Ukraine, as well as attempts of terrorist attacks on the territory of Belarus. In fact, a terrorist war is going on against Belarus, supported by NATO countries and Ukraine. Therefore, Lukashenka's rhetoric is more than justified, as are security measures. At the moment, Belarusian troops are not engaged in assembling a strike force for the invasion of Ukraine and are engaged in defensive measures on the border.
- How significant is the liberation of Artemovsk (Bakhmut) and how will this affect the situation at the front?
- The liberation of Artemovsk will break the strategic defensive line (axis) Slavyansk-Kramatorsk-Artemovsk-Dzerzhinsk and deprive the Armed Forces of Ukraine of an important road junction. The story of the “Popasnaya flower” may repeat itself, when the loss of a large logistics center caused a crisis of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in many areas at once. That is why the Armed Forces of Ukraine have clung to Artemovsk so much and are constantly throwing reserves here in order to keep the city, which is of the utmost operational importance.
- It is known that the assault detachments of the "Wagner Group" play a primary role in the liberation of Artemovsk. How significant is the PMC factor within the entire Ukrainian front?
- Wagner PMCs show themselves as highly effective assault units, using their rich experience in participating in local conflicts and trained personnel. This makes it possible to more effectively break into the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and maintain the pace of the offensive, pushing the enemy directly to Artemivsk.
PMCs do not replace the armed forces, but effectively complement them. In the future, efforts should be made to increase coordination of actions and to review the role of PMCs in operational and strategic planning.
- In Kyiv, they report on the elimination of the consequences of strikes on the energy infrastructure. Should we trust such statements?
- Part of the consequences of strikes may well be eliminated in the medium or long term. And such work is constantly going on.
Even in conditions of obvious damage to infrastructure, there will be a longer-term and systemic effect if such strikes are carried out fairly regularly, which will lead to the fact that some of the objects will be completely destroyed, and some will be brought to a state where repairs will take too long, which will lead to inevitable rolling blackouts on a systemic basis, even without impacts on the infrastructure of operating nuclear power plants.
— What caused the partial evacuation of the population of the Kherson region? How likely is an attempt to break through the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the city with the imposition of urban battles?
- The evacuation was caused by systemic shelling of the cities of the Kherson region of the Russian Federation. Plus, in the event of a breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there is a high probability of intensifying battles for the city, which can lead to heavy casualties among civilians. Therefore, from the point of view of security, it is better to evacuate part of the population in advance for the same reasons that the residents of the DPR were evacuated before the start of the war.
Commentary by Russia military journalist Boris Rozhin
[ColonelCassad] Russian military historian Ilya Topchiy regarding the balance of power in Ukraine according to open sources.
The following commentary by Russian military historian Ilya Topchiy In terms of the balance of power and prospects in Ukraine
The recent reconnaissance - otherwise, as probing and reconnaissance in battle - offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson region again activated the attention of the general public to the topic. It also showed a possible strong shortage of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in personnel, capable of reaching 40-50%.
So, 400 people went on the offensive with 50 pieces of equipment: a tank battalion of the 17th Tank Brigade, an infantry battalion of the 60th Mechanized Brigade (motorized infantry), forward detachments from the 140th Regiment of the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The tank battalion was more or less completed: 25-30 tanks. The motorized infantry or mechanized battalion clearly had a severe shortage of personnel (at least half, moreover, from the peacetime staff). Depends on the battalion. Tank battalions from maneuver units (motorized rifle and tank brigades) are 31 tanks, from a divisional commander's personal guard it is 40 tanks. Unless Russia has changed the establishment of tank battalions.
In this connection, the real balance of forces and prospects are interesting. At the same time, when assessing the forces, it will be primarily the troops located at the front or in the direction, and not the total number of Ukrainian troops that can reach at least 600,000 people, including the NSU and various paramilitary formations like the State Border Guard Service.
So, according to some information, at the front in Ukraine today:
- up to 60,000 - the Kherson direction (here the ratio is most favorable for them, up to 2: 1);
- 30,000 - Zaporozhye direction (some promise another 10 thousand);
- 10,000-15,000 - in the Ugeldarsk direction;
- 10,000-15,000 - near Donetsk;
- 30,000-40,000 - in the section from Gorlovka to the Seversky Donets. Including 15,000-20,000 - near Artemovsk (Bakhmut), where the balance of forces is the most favorable for us (why we are gradually advancing);
- 35,000-40,000 - a section of the front from the Seversky Donets to the border (Svatovo-Kremennaya).
TOTAL: 175,000-210,000 people on the front of 1,100 kilometers. No rears.
The number of Russian troops is more difficult to estimate.
- at the end of September, about 55,000-60,000 people remained in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (only through the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) (quite "dipped" since the end of February). Another 16,000 managed to send from the newly mobilized. Total for today, probably, taking into account some decrease in the number for various reasons, about 70,000.
- BARS and various volunteer formations - apparently, at least 30,000;
- LDNR - about 50,000-60,000 people;
- Russian Guard -? (at the end of February there were at least 60,000-70,000 );
- "The Wagner Group" -?
AROUND: Apparently, also about 200,000 people. Comparable to the Armed Forces of Ukraine (and there was also a rear).
The most favorable ratio for the Russian troops, it is worth repeating, is near Artemovsk (Bakhmut). The least profitable - near Kherson.
Plus - the parties did not create sufficient troop densities, which are necessary not only for defense - for the offensive. For a front of 1,100 kilometers, for example, only in the first line there should be 370,000 on the defensive. No reserves.
Other directions (and first of all - Belarusian):
Armed Forces of Ukraine:
- at least 7,000 - Chernihiv, up to 10,000 - Sumy (the whole region), a certain amount - Poltava. At least 25,000 people cover the north-east of Ukraine;
- up to 30,000 - Belarusian direction (from Kyiv to the Polish border). Including 5,000 near Kyiv and 10,000 - near Rivne. Part - in the second line. Volyn is poorly covered.
Russia and Belarus:
- according to some sources, at least 50,000, built in two operational echelons. Perhaps this is only the Volyn group.
That in the direction from the north creates a well-known temptation to hit Lviv along the road through Vladimir-Volynsky along the border. True, having a flank threat in the form of the Kovel and Lutsk railway junctions.
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Vyacheslav Molotov with Hermann Goering, 1940.
- Kyiv and NATO are increasingly discussing the use of tactical nuclear weapons by the Russian side. Is the West ready to detonate its own charge on the territory of Ukraine in order to accuse Moscow?
