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Happy Memorial Day
"Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives, that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate—we cannot hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

A. Lincoln
Posted by: Warthog || 05/25/2020 09:23 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Perfect, Warthog. Thank you!
Posted by: trailing wife || 05/25/2020 11:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Good Old Abe "Habeas Corpus" Lincoln, America's first dictator.
Posted by: Clem || 05/25/2020 11:05 Comments || Top||

#3  Thank you sir. Over half the nation hated him, not unlike today. But on a day like today Clem, you sir are out of line.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 05/25/2020 12:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Opinion respected, 49 Pan. Abe could have cared less about black people for one, and his generals were war criminals.

But, yes, enough of that as today is the day (begun in honor of those fallen in the Civil War/War between the States/War of Northern Aggression) for remembrance. It is to the fallen that I shall tip a sarsaparilla later today.
Posted by: Clem || 05/25/2020 12:55 Comments || Top||

#5  "Your freedom was bought by war crimes." Great way to turn white guilt on its head.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 05/25/2020 14:57 Comments || Top||

#6  Good recovery, Clem.
Pan's the kinda guy that gets quiet and/or polite right before he knocks somebody down.

The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract.

Regardless of those who try.
Posted by: Skidmark || 05/25/2020 17:00 Comments || Top||

#7  ^ 49 Pan's someone to be respected
Posted by: Frank G || 05/25/2020 17:54 Comments || Top||

#8 
Posted by: Frank G || 05/25/2020 17:57 Comments || Top||

#9  After Antietam in 1862, the morning of October 4, a Baltimore newspaper reported on President Lincoln's visit to wounded Confederate soldiers:

“Passing through one of the hospitals devoted exclusively to Confederate sick and wounded, President Lincoln’s attention was drawn to a young Georgian — a fine noble looking youth — stretched upon a humble cot. He was pale, emaciated and anxious, far from kindred and home, vibrating, as it were, between life and death. Every stranger that entered [was] caught in his restless eyes, in hope of their being some relative or friend. President Lincoln observed this youthful soldier, approached and spoke, asking him if he suffered much pain. ‘I do,’ was the reply. ‘I have lost a leg, and feel I am sinking from exhaustion.’

‘Would you,’ said Mr. Lincoln, ‘shake hands with me if I were to tell you who I am?’ The response was affirmative. ‘There should,’ remarked the young Georgian, ‘be no enemies in this place.’ Then said the distinguished visitor, ‘I am Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.’ The young sufferer raised his head, looking amazed, and freely extended his hand, which Mr. Lincoln took and pressed tenderly for some time.
Posted by: Lex || 05/25/2020 18:33 Comments || Top||

#10  Nice
Posted by: Frank G || 05/25/2020 18:47 Comments || Top||

#11  #2 Good Old Abe "Habeas Corpus" Lincoln, America's first dictator.
Posted by Clem


Clever. Thank you Clem for reminding us how badly fucked up our public education system is.
Posted by: Woodrow || 05/25/2020 21:24 Comments || Top||

#12  You are welcome, Woody. Somebody had to do it! Our public education system is so messed up...no words.
Posted by: Clem || 05/25/2020 21:26 Comments || Top||

#13  Sorry Clem. My father was a history teacher and his deep passion, specialty was the civil war. You would not believe the amazing discussions I was fortunate to listen in on.

If I had a dime...
Woodrow.
Posted by: Woodrow || 05/25/2020 21:52 Comments || Top||

#14  "We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."
Posted by: Lex || 05/25/2020 22:00 Comments || Top||


-Land of the Free
Texas mayor under fire for quoting the Bible accurately
[Right Scoop] A Texas mayor got everyone upset by quoting the Bible accurately because that’s all it takes these days:
Posted by: Besoeker || 05/25/2020 06:54 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And we laugh at the Koranians.
Posted by: Skidmark || 05/25/2020 14:58 Comments || Top||

#2  The mayor probably should have just kept his biblical trap shut and keep his beliefs to himself. But if they are opening city council meetings with a prayer, then I suppose he's got the appropriate audience.
Posted by: Clem || 05/25/2020 15:08 Comments || Top||

#3  Nothing worse than a well read idiot.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 05/25/2020 20:29 Comments || Top||

#4  Keeping in context, by Paul.

20 Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21 In the Law it is written:

“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”[e]

22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24 But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all, 25 as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”

Good Order in Worship
26 What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.

29 Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.

34 Women[f] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.[g]

36 Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38 But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.[h]

39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
Posted by: Woodrow || 05/25/2020 21:44 Comments || Top||


As Russia stalks US satellites, a space arms race may be heating up
[The Bulletin dot org] In August 2008, after skirmishes between pro-Russian separatists and government forces in Georgia, Russian forces invaded the former Soviet republic. Russian troops came within a few miles of its capital, Tbilisi, before agreeing to a ceasefire. On the surface, Russia appeared to get what it wanted during the five-day war: de facto independence for two restive regions of a country that overall had been clearly turning toward the West. But the swift victory masked the degree to which the war served as a wake-up call: the Russian military had gone to war in the 21st Century using World War II-era compasses for navigation and outmoded equipment for weapons targeting.

The Georgian conflict proved a far cry from the US military’s GPS-powered assault on Iraqi forces in a 100-hour ground offensive in 1991. For Russia, the conflict signaled the need for a major military upgrade–particularly in the satellite systems critical for navigation, targeting, and communications.

Twelve years and billions of rubles later, Russia is now challenging the United States’ long-standing supremacy in space and working to exploit the US military’s dependence on space systems for communications, navigation, intelligence, and targeting. Moscow is developing counter-space weapons as a part of its overall information warfare strategy. For example, Russia just tested an anti-satellite missile system designed to destroy satellites in low earth orbit. Moreover, military leaders in Russia view US satellites as the key enablers of America’s ability to execute rapid, agile, and global military operations; they are intent on echoing this success and modernizing their own military satellites to more effectively support Russian forces.
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Posted by: 3dc || 05/25/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Russian military had gone to war in the 21st Century using World War II-era compasses for navigation and outmoded equipment for weapons targeting.

The Georgian conflict proved a far cry from the US military’s GPS-powered assault on Iraqi forces


That's groovy. Except, Russia won in Georgia whereas USA (on the long term) lost in Iraq. Maybe, just maybe, it's not gadgets that win wars?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 05/25/2020 1:51 Comments || Top||

#2  The solar power to beamable microwave experiment aboard USSF-7 would be easy to task for frying satellite electronics even at a distance.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 05/25/2020 6:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Did they learn nothing from Star Wars?
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 05/25/2020 14:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Did they learn nothing from Star Wars?

Of Reagan's time, yes. Quite a bit.
But the old hands are pastured now.
Posted by: Skidmark || 05/25/2020 17:04 Comments || Top||

#5  Yes, there are plenty of retired DoS functionaries still telling their grand children (in their 30s now) about crying when Reagan walked away at Reykjavik.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 05/25/2020 21:31 Comments || Top||


Africa Horn
When armed groups obstruct peace in Sudan
By Mahmoud A. Suleiman

[Sudan Tribune] It is regrettable that some Armed struggle movement factions stand as a stumbling block against the path to the grinding of the peace processor for Sudan. Having said that, one will start by asking himself as to how can the grinding of the peace processor in Sudan be pushed forward in the presence of barricades against it made by those who demand peace? It is appalling that some factions of the armed struggle movements who turned semi-pirates stand as a stumbling block against the path to peace. Thus, the Barricades and Stumbling Blocks have been created by the aggressively selfish and the self-centred are delaying the Sudanese Peace Process in Juba, the South Sudan Capital.

The foregoing title of this article comes against the backdrop of the Major General Yassin Ibrahim Abdel Ghani, the Governor of Blue Nile State, called on all the Armed Struggle Movements and the Peoples Liberation Movement (SPLM) -Abdul Aziz al-Hilo wing, in particular, to push the grinding of the peace processor forward in order to reach a comprehensive and sustainable peace, stressing that the negotiating parties are serious in the grinding of the peace processor and that they are making appreciable efforts had it not for the emergence of the coronavirus (aka COVID19 or Chinese Plague)
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Posted by: Fred || 05/25/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Sudan


China-Japan-Koreas
Hong Kong, All Alone - 'Commies gonna commie'
[National Review] China is currently transgressing the terms of its 1997 treaty over Hong Kong, which promised a "one country, two systems" settlement that preserved Hong Kong’s somewhat autonomous democratic institutions. These institutions guarantee rights to Hong Kongers and guard its common-law inheritance.

China’s legislature in Beijing is preparing a new national-security law aimed at Hong Kong to prohibit and punish terrorism, foreign influence, and secession. By that, they mean demonstration, free speech, and a functioning democratic system with rights guaranteed to citizens. Meanwhile, Beijing’s loyalists installed in Hong Kong’s legislative council have been making open attempts at a putsch against the pro-democracy majority.

China’s move against Hong Kong is likely dictated by propitious circumstances. Democracy protesters in Hong Kong may be fatigued. And while the rest of the world deals with the economic fallout from the COVID-19 pandemic, there is little appetite to expend the diplomatic energy or engage in the trade actions that could protect Hong Kong.

At the time of the treaty, little Hong Kong accounted for nearly 20 percent of China’s overall economy, and it was a crucial engine of China’s economic growth. Companies that wanted to do business in a liberalizing China headquartered in Hong Kong. Financial markets still prefer it. Why? Because it has inherited a property-rights regime and a judicial system from the Anglo tradition. One could make a case in a Hong Kong court and expect a fair hearing, rather than a political judgment dictated by a party boss.

Abrogating the two-systems settlement is an injustice, and a foreseeable one. Hong Kong now represents less than 3 percent of China’s economy. And so Beijing senses it can strike a new bargain, renege on its treaty obligation, and put to death any notion that Hong Kong’s style of government will ever win out by persuasion.

Past attempts at "security legislation" or other measures aimed at Hong Kong’s independence were met with furious protests. Hong Kong’s democracy movement has taken to the streets in 2003, in the 2014 Umbrella movement, and in the massive civil unrest of 2019. The advanced guard of Hong Kong activists are hardened, committed, and, in many cases, radicalized. But they may face a problem of protest fatigue and resignation among supporters.
Posted by: Besoeker || 05/25/2020 07:46 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The inevitable failing of a 'two state' solution.
Posted by: Besoeker || 05/25/2020 8:51 Comments || Top||

#2  "Long" Singapore.
Posted by: Clem || 05/25/2020 9:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Treaties are never viable without enforcement.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 05/25/2020 11:48 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Gropey Joe Thinks He's an Expert On What Minorities Should Think
It's Kurt
[Townhall] Old Grandpa Badfinger is the go-to source for many things: how to raise an awesome achiever kid like his snortunate son Hoover, how to not awkwardly molest women in Senate corridors, and how to not be manifestly senile. But, as my unicorn Chet recently observed, his greatest contribution may be as the mentor to black America. Recently, in an interview with someone called "Charlemagne tha God," the sinewy old weirdo opined that "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black." The guy who is now assuming the mantle of arbiter of defining "What is black?" is the same guy who spends most mornings looking around his basement for his lost slipper.

Now, Democrats have a long history of telling black people how to think, but even for the Party of Bull Connor this was an Edmund Pettus Bridge too far. Mr. tha God himself was taken aback by the crusty candidate's bizarre riff, dismissing this ham-handed ploy to make the election about Trump instead of about how the Democrats have shafted the black community. Now, putting aside the notion of whether any election should be about any particular "community," even under that dubious premise Biden fails just like he has failed at everything else. What has the Democratic Party done for any minority community lately besides demand utter fealty and deliver nothing?

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Posted by: Frank G || 05/25/2020 09:50 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, you know what they say, "Those who can't..."
Posted by: Seeking Cure For Ignorance || 05/25/2020 10:53 Comments || Top||

#2  the sinewy old weirdo opined that "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."

I woke up to one of the weekday morning shows playing that clip... The thought that occurred to me was that he doesn’t sound senile there, so perhaps his handlers concluded it’s better for him to have a tin ear than be gaga.
Posted by: trailing wife || 05/25/2020 11:01 Comments || Top||

#3  Biden is the Great White Dope.

Nice. Well played
Posted by: Lex || 05/25/2020 15:27 Comments || Top||

#4  Gropey Joe Sings! (apologies to Al Yankovic and that dead old white lady pedophile):

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin'
Just wait 'til I get through
Because I'm black, I'm black come on
You know I'm black, I'm black come on, you know
You know I'm black, I'm black come on, you know
And the whole world has to
Answer right now
Just to tell you once again
Who's black
Posted by: JHH || 05/25/2020 16:29 Comments || Top||


Re: Sullivan - What the Media will not ask
[New Reform Club] Will anyone in the media inquire from: Judge Sullivan, John Gleeson, Beth Wilkinson, and the Chief Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, and ask:

If Gleeson's work and Wilkinson's work is pro bono or paid?

If paid, then paid by whom?‐Sullivan or the Treasury (or other)?

If the Treasury, then through what fund or under what specific legal authority?
Posted by: Frank G || 05/25/2020 09:13 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Others:

If Wilkinson has been hired, who exactly is her client? The judge personally? The judge officially? The entire District Court?

No lawyer of Wilkinson's competence would undertake the representation without an engagement letter stating the scope of her engagement and the fee basis for her services. Is that letter a matter of public record? If not why not?

The Constitution contemplates that cases before a federal court will be decided by an "Article III" judge, although some matters -- like discovery disputes --- can be referred to "Article I" judges like magistrate judges, and judges can appoint special masters to assist on specific matters (e.g., complex accounting issues.) Which one of these critters is Ms. Wilkinson? If the judge can hire Ms. Wilkinson to write a response for him, can he also hire her to decide the whole case?

Judges of all shapes and sizes are supposed to refrain from ex parte communications, i.e., listening to one guy's attorney without the other guy's attorney present. Does Flynn's attorney -- the formidable Sydney Powell-- get to participate in discussions between Ms. Wilkinson and Judge Sullivan? If not, why not?

Is Ms. Wilkinson sort of a law clerk for the judge? What can she do that the judge or his actual law clerks can't?
Posted by: Matt || 05/25/2020 10:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Seems to me that Sullivan (and the usual donk suspects/MFM behind him) just wants to keep torturing Flynn until the sun goes out. Right now the question is will the DC circuit end the madness or allow Sullivan more delays?
Posted by: PBMcL || 05/25/2020 10:29 Comments || Top||

#3  ^Lets look at DC circuit?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 05/25/2020 10:33 Comments || Top||

#4  The Court asked HIM to respond, not his paid monkey
Posted by: Frank G || 05/25/2020 10:36 Comments || Top||

#5  What can she do that the judge or his actual law clerks can't?

She can keep the honorable judge from saying or doing any stupid. It's like having your Mom read over your high school English class essay.
Posted by: SteveS || 05/25/2020 11:49 Comments || Top||

#6  #5 LOL. True, but my mom didn't charge $1500/hr, or whatever Ms.Wilkinson's rate is. (Or maybe she's got it on a contingency -- $100,000 for every year Flynn serves, or something like that.)
Posted by: Matt || 05/25/2020 11:55 Comments || Top||

#7  Safety valve. She will tell him it's over and time to let go. "On advice of counsel..."
Posted by: M. Murcek || 05/25/2020 15:01 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
California Democrats Want to Bring Racial Preferences Back
[National Review] Rather than focus on COVID-19 or the economic recovery, California liberals insist on pushing their pet issues. The "stimulus" bill rammed through the House this month by Speaker Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco was a liberal wish list of subsidies and spending. Now other California Democrats are ramming through an effort to repeal the state’s ban on racial preferences.
Posted by: Besoeker || 05/25/2020 07:56 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Final nail in the coffin for the U. of California. These sj!theads were bequeathed the world's greatest public higher ed system and they've trashed it. Mexifornia is here.
Posted by: Lex || 05/25/2020 8:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Thank you for identifying who the real racist are. It's all been Freudian Projection on their part.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 05/25/2020 8:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Preferences for California's racial majority.
Posted by: Phugum Spump3764 || 05/25/2020 8:15 Comments || Top||

#4  Until this long accepted paragraph is removed from job applications, the "Preferences" will likely continue.
Posted by: Besoeker || 05/25/2020 8:16 Comments || Top||

#5  #3 Preferences for California's racial majority.
Posted by: Phugum Spump3764

Bingo. Hispanics now make up ca. 54% of CA public K-12 schoolchildren. That share is increasing one percentage point every year. Per the CA Dept of Education, which collects exhaustive data from tests at nearly every grade level from every public school in the state, Hispanic kids typically have a failure rate of 70-80% on Verbal tests and 80-90% on Math tests.

Which means that within a decade, a majority of CA school kids - not kids in East LA or Compton but overall across the entire state, i.e. close to 3 million kids out of 5 million - will be illiterate and incapable of doing not just algebra but simple math.

IOW, California has literally created a medium-sized third-world country underneath a tiny stratum of virtue-signaling wealthy tech and entertainment company professionals.

God's children. Loki's school system.
Posted by: Lex || 05/25/2020 8:46 Comments || Top||

#6  We have a lot of Hispanics in the state legislature, both the assembly and the senate, and you can bet they'll vote for this. But when Hispanic kids are burdened with massive amounts of student loan debt and worthless degrees they will still blame white people.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 05/25/2020 12:32 Comments || Top||


NY Times on Memorial Day Weekend: US Military celebrates white supremacism
Betcha there were frissons going off all over the staff bullpen as this went to press.
[FOX] As Americans reeling from coronavirus stay-at-home orders struggle to celebrate the nation's heroes on Memorial Day, The New York Times published an editorial over the weekend that claims the U.S. military celebrates white supremacy.

On Sunday, The New York Times Editorial Board published the piece titled "Why Does the U.S. Military Celebrate White Supremacy?" The editorial made the argument that it’s time to rename military bases after "American heroes, not racist traitors."

Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Rath Hoffman tweeted Sunday night in response: "On a solemn day for remembering those that have given their lives for our country fighting against tyranny and subjugation, the NYT has more than a million possible stories of the ultimate sacrifice by American patriots that they could tell. But they don’t."

The New York Times editorial board wrote that "the federal government embraced pillars of the white supremacist movement when it named military bases in the South."

The editorial listed Fort Benning, Ga., as an example, noting that the military base honored Henry Lewis Benning, a Confederate general "who devoted himself to the premise that African-Americans were not really human and could never be trusted with full citizenship."

The editorial pointed to Benning’s "now-famous speech in 1861" during which "he told secession conventioneers in Virginia that his native state of Georgia had left the union for one reason — to ’prevent the abolition of her slavery.’"

The editorial board noted that Benning’s statements "strongly resemble that of present-day white supremacists — and reference the race war theme put forward by the young racist who murdered nine African-Americans in Charleston five years ago."

In 2017, Dylann Roof was formally sentenced to death for the church massacre in Charleston, S.C., two years before.

The editorial also pointed to another Georgia base named after a Confederate general, John Brown Gordon, writing that by naming the base after him, "the federal government venerated a man who was a leader of the Georgia Ku Klux Klan after the Civil War and who may have taken on a broader role in the terrorist organization when its first national leader — a former Confederate general, Nathan Bedford Forrest — suffered declining health."

The New York Times editorial board referenced comments made by an Army spokesman who told TIME in 2015 there was no need to remove Confederate base names because the "historic names represent individuals, not causes or ideologies."

Posted by: Besoeker || 05/25/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  While I'm sure their mothers love them, or did at one time, these people are scum. Any other day of the year, this would be business as usual, but on Memorial Day, it's unbelievable. Congratulations on starkly highlighting the divide between the Red and Blue parts of the country.
Posted by: SteveS || 05/25/2020 0:55 Comments || Top||

#2  /\ I certainly hope "their mother's love them" as they have no fathers.
Posted by: Besoeker || 05/25/2020 1:00 Comments || Top||

#3  In that case I suggest the outlaw the Democratic Party. It is the party of Slavery and Jim Crow laws after all!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 05/25/2020 1:02 Comments || Top||

#4  There is a certain perspective in military history that Braxton Bragg did more for the Union in his incompetence than could have been achieved had he not been in command.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 05/25/2020 7:00 Comments || Top||

#5  The New York Times editorial board, established in 1896 by Adolph Ochs when he became the newspaper’s publisher, is currently composed of 14 writers and editors drawn from the Times Opinion department, which also includes opinion columnists, Op-Ed editors and others.
The Opinion department is independent of the Times newsroom...
"The purpose of Times Opinion is to supply the wide-ranging debate about big ideas that a diverse democracy needs. Amid that debate, the role of the editorial board is to provide Times readers with a long-range view formed not by one person’s expertise and experience but ballasted by certain institutional values that have evolved across more than 150 years. That’s why the editorials, unlike other articles in The Times, appear without a byline.
[If you don't hate America, you don't belong.]
Posted by: b || 05/25/2020 7:47 Comments || Top||

#6  Are they trying to incite another civil war?

Among the 14 bios listed above, I don't see any flaming SJWs or BLM activists (Sarah Jeong apparently was kicked out). These are for the most part rather boring, largely garden-variety Times staffers. It looks like a stint on the Editirial Board is a kind of sabbatical.

Why on earth are they insulting our nation this way?
Who is behind this?
Posted by: Lex || 05/25/2020 8:01 Comments || Top||

#7  Choice of words just slay me: "celebrate white supremacy". They are sicker at the "Slimes" than I'd ever thought.
Posted by: Clem || 05/25/2020 8:10 Comments || Top||

#8  the bulk of the citizenry in the NYT's precious North felt the same way about blacks at the time of the Civil War

but I'm sure the NYTs thinks it was only the Southerners who were racist.
Posted by: Bob Grorong1136 || 05/25/2020 9:42 Comments || Top||

#9  Americans are such excitable people - what does it matter that a rag like NYT (1619 anyone?) says?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 05/25/2020 9:50 Comments || Top||

#10  Who's getting excited? We comment on news articles. That's what we kinda do here pretty much, right?

Meanwhile, I can give a rat's a$$ about the NYT.
Posted by: Clem || 05/25/2020 10:43 Comments || Top||

#11  Letter to the NYT, name redacted:

I abhor racism and those that continue to push any notion of the supremacy of one race of human beings over another, but your article, which I assume is generally historically accurate, fails our nation and its citizens in many ways.

First, Memorial Day is about honoring all those in service who made the ultimate sacrifice -whether or not you might agree with the war(s) in which they fought. Publishing such an article on this day is disrespectful and misses an opportunity to honor our fallen, tell as yet unrevealed stories of sacrifice and valor, and, perhaps, offer some form of solace to our Gold Star families.

Second, It is no secret that the US military is highly diverse with opportunities for all who serve, to include those who are not white, many of whom have achieved the highest positions of rank and responsibility possible. General Colin Powell comes to mind, as does my West Point classmate, General Lloyd Austin. I saw no reference to these two stellar American Patriots, or others like them, nor any mention of interviews for thoughts from those serving or who have served.

Third, while our military services are imperfect, the brotherhood and sisterhood of service is a bond that transcends past wrongs, has nothing to do with the name of a base, and certainly doesn’t translate to the celebration of white supremacism. How many of your editorial board served?

Fourth, the institution of the US military understands selfless and honorable service, and takes action to discipline and/or remove those who fall short.

Fifth, names of military bases, chosen long ago, can certainly be changed if our elected leaders so choose, but to claim the US military celebrates white supremacism is simply nonfactual.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

NAME REDACTED
Major General, US Army (Ret)

Posted by: Besoeker || 05/25/2020 12:24 Comments || Top||

#12  ^ Hooah! Nicely said
Posted by: Frank G || 05/25/2020 12:29 Comments || Top||

#13  The entire point is to evoke revulsion and disgust. On the one hand as with anything else there is revulsion fatigue, and this type of gibberish helps produce it. Further, by presenting a constant stream of genuinely revolting crap like this they begin to stretch the public perception of revulsion altogether.

Thus, in their next foray into the pulpit most normative people will think, 'Certainly this is morally repugnant, but at least it's not as bad as that aberration they published over Memorial Day.', and the window moves their direction just a bit.

Propaganda isn't there to convince anybody. Certainly anybody who waits 8 hours on line to walk into an empty store knows more about 5 year plans and their architects than any economist.

The point is the control through humiliation. The powers that be will force the people to say and cheer what they manifestly know to be utterly false. Then the trick is to move from ancillary, spaces to areas where personal choice makes judgement more ambiguous, and finally into venues that matter food, energy, financial system.

Not that we ourselves have any, oh, examples of that kind of behavior. Locally I mean.
Posted by: Cesare || 05/25/2020 13:08 Comments || Top||

#14  Watching "Viet Nam in HD" on History Ch. Tet Offensive - noted that 90% of News coverage on Network News was on VN, and actively showing bad news as the
"Troof"
Posted by: Frank G || 05/25/2020 14:25 Comments || Top||

#15  Biden says if you served,you can't possibly be black.
Posted by: bbrewer126 || 05/25/2020 16:02 Comments || Top||

#16  They know they're violating American sacred values by shitting on them on a holiday meant to celebrate them. They love it.

It doesn't matter if anyone renames any bases or not. They'll move the goalposts. I mean, the names of army bases is pretty weak tea.
Posted by: Spike Grineng8188 || 05/25/2020 17:09 Comments || Top||

#17  Ochs-Sulzberger family
The Ochs-Sulzberger family, one of the United States' newspaper dynasties, has owned The New York Times ever since. The publisher went public on January 14, 1969, trading at $42 a share on the American Stock Exchange.
Posted by: Woodrow || 05/25/2020 21:26 Comments || Top||

#18  I love how history gives lefties a belly ache.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 05/25/2020 21:35 Comments || Top||



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