Participants in an international symposium in Sanaa this week stressed that the world has moved closer toward cultural polarization after Sept. 11, but at the same time witnessed serious calls for dialogue between nations. That's because one civilization declared war on the other, and the other for some reason just won't pretend it never happened and forget the fact... Intellectuals from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Germany, France, Switzerland, Britain and Japan met in a three-day symposium to discuss the implications of Sept. 11 on international relations. Titled War in Times of Peace and International Relations after Sept. 11, the symposium dealt with three major issues: the West, the East, and the regional order. Sounds ever so impressive. Pray, tell on...
Some participants believed that Sept. 11 has proved the validity of the clash of civilizations model, and has fuelled ideological radicalization, while others felt that the dangers imposed by such clash had urged more vigorous cultural dialogue between civilizations and cultures. That means some of the participants think the time for yakking is past, and other think they can continue to bat their gums until hell freezes over...
The participants also discussed the price some countries are paying for their cooperation with the US in its war on terrorism. Prince Turki Al-Faisal, chairman of the King Faisal Center for Islamic Studies and Research in Saudi Arabia, highlighted the impact of the Sept. 11 attacks on the Arabian Peninsula. He criticized the title of the symposium saying it should have been Peace in Times of War for the region has been living in war for a long time. He said the region needs reform, democracy and human rights. Human rights includes freedom of religion, which the Soddies would no more accept on their own than they'd accept being gutted. At an even lower level than that, they're culturally unable to accept the idea of people being left alone. There's no cultural disapproval of people who demand that other people not do things they don't approve of.
One of the main issues that should be addressed is the US bias toward Israel. This issue provokes backlash with Arab and Muslim peoples, Al-Faisal noted. It also provides an all-purpose excuse, to be trotted out whenever things aren't looking perfect, which is near-daily...
Dr. Abdul Kareem Al-Iryani, Yemen's former prime minister, who is now working as an adviser to President Ali Abdullah Al Saleh, said: "Sept. 11 has raised a lot of questions on how the international relations should be... Our frustration has partly resulted from Sept. 11. What has made it even worse is the American bias toward Israel, the Israeli intransigence, and the total helplessness of the Arabs." See what I mean? 9-11 had nothing, in the American mind, to do with Israel or with anything else except for a bunch of Arabs, mostly Soddies, hijacking four planes and killing thousands of innocents. The "total helplessness of the Arabs" doesn't seem to stand up to scrutiny when one looks at the network of terror machines that are funded by Arab princes and Iranian theocrats and driven by spittle-spewing mullahs and ayatollahs. Uncovering the machines gives us something to fight back against â the military and diplomatic problem boundaries are much more clear than they were a year ago. In the Muslim world the alignment is still going on, and they're still making progress. A large hunk of Pakistan wants on the Soddy bandwagon to an Islamic future, and Turkey's wobbling toward Islamism. We'll be able to tell we're winning the fight when Muslim nations start discovering that their bread is buttered on the Western side. If they don't discover that, the fight will become more vicious with time, more ideological, and they might find themselves facing a genuine "crusade" when we start pushing freedom of religion. A hundred years from now Islam might be a quaint little cult, confined to a few remote corners of a world that's majority Christian and/or agnostic.
Professor Mohammed Ahmed Al-Afandi, chairman of the Yemeni Center for Strategic Studies, said combating terrorism should not be used as a pretext to oppress moderate Islamic movements. Guess that depends on one's definition of what's "moderate," doesn't it? If there are firearms involved, most people in the U.S. don't consider it to be "moderate." If there are explosives involved, most people in the U.S. don't consider it to be "moderate." And the Salafists do a pretty thorough job of oppressing non-Salafist Muslims.
Abdul Azeez Al-Maqaleh, chairman of the Yemeni Center for Research and Studies, stressed the importance of dialogue for eradicating terror. The use of force in dealing with terrorism is illogical and unacceptable. There is a need for dialogue and for studying every case individually, Al-Maqaleh said. (GN) If responding to force with force is illogical, God help logic. If killing people who want to kill us is illogical, there is no logic. It's impossible to hold a "dialogue" with people who are determined to kill us and destroy our civilization.
Masato Iizuka, a Japanese professor, said: Japans foreign policy was formed with two major objectives: keeping good relationship with US, the biggest customer of Japanese products, and building friendly relations with Muslim countries to secure a supply of oil. That's a pretty good example of trying to cover one's ass with both hands, isn't it?
Dr Michael Ehrke, German political scientist, presented a paper on common grounds and tensions in American and European foreign policies. He reviewed the options of the EU vis-a-vis the U.S saying three options are considered: a policy of rearmament and military modernisation aiming at balancing the American military power; a policy aiming at increasing the strategic value of Europe for the U.S. and, consequently, increasingly influence on American decision building; and a policy of appeasement and the abandonment of an autonomous global political role of the EU. If they intend to rearm to "balance" American military power, that raises that possibility, even the probability, that at some point in the future their military will find itself on the other side of our military. The option of "increasing the strategic value of Europe" seems to involve periodic opposition to our goals, even when they logically coincide with those of Europe. The appeasement option seems already to have been chosen â and it's not the U.S. that's being appeased.
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An American man, who was among the six suspected al Qaeda terrorists killed by a U.S. missile in Yemen, may be linked to an alleged sleeper terror cell in the United States, a U.S. government source told CNN Friday. U.S. officials said the CIA did not know that the American, Ahmed Hijazi, was in the vehicle Monday before it launched a Hellfire missile from a Predator drone. "It doesn't change anything," an official said. "If you're an American citizen, it doesn't mean you get a free pass to be a terrorist." As a matter of fact, that makes bangin' you the more satisfying...
A law enforcement source said, "It will be up to the State Department to confirm whether he is in fact linked to the cell" in the Buffalo, New York, suburb of Lackawanna. According to the source, a link is "actively being sought." Six men — all U.S. citizens — were indicted on charges of providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization, specifically, al Qaeda. Prosecutors say the men traveled to Pakistan and then to al Qaeda terror training camps in the spring and summer of 2000, then returned to their homes in New York. At least one man — identified as Kamal Derwish and referred to as "Mr. Big" ... "Raskolnikov! Not Mister Big! You don' think squirrel and moose in on this, do you, Natasha?"
... by law enforcement sources — was still being sought, believed to be in Yemen or somewhere else in the region. Derwish was described as the recruiter for the cell and, like the other suspects, lived in suburban Lackawanna at one time. It is unclear whether Hijazi could be that man or another suspect with alleged ties to the "Lackawanna Six." Five of the six men already indicted in western New York are being held without bail. A sixth man — Sahim Alwan — was granted bond but has not yet posted it. "Alas, poor Derwish..."
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A man who claimed to be a saint has been shot dead in a shootout with police outside the Saudi Finance Ministry, the official Saudi Press Agency reported Friday. He must have been pretty devout, to get waxed in a shootout with the cops...
Nasser bin Habis al-Morqi was killed Thursday after he started firing at random on the perimeter of the Ministry of Finance and Economy, the agency said. Al-Morqi had tried to enter the ministry, and one of his shots wounded a security guard in the leg. Police tried to persuade the gunman to turn himself in, but he demanded money and free passage to leave the kingdom, claiming he was a saint who was out to save the world. "Just gimme some dough, and I'm off to convert the Pope in Rome..."
Al-Morqi attempted to flee, firing his gun. In the ensuing gunbattle, he was wounded and arrested. He died of his wounds in hospital. Damn. Oh, well. Guess somebody else will have to save the world...
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Out of ignorance (obviously) - was that a Christian saint? Are there Islamic equivalents? Was it definite in what faith's interests he was doing this act?
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Hmm...makes you wonder if the building is empty ;-)
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The official Iraqi News Agency on Saturday said Iraq's leaders were studying the "bad and unjust" resolution and are inclined to respond in the "next few days." "What're we gonna do now, Sammy?"
"I'm thinkin'! I'm thinkin'!"
A cautiously worded statement from the Arab League in Cairo said it "respected" Security Council resolutions. "The repercussions of this resolution and the means of reacting to it will be discussed during the Arab foreign ministers' meetings on Saturday and Sunday" in Cairo, League spokesman Hisham Yussef said. Bet Muammar's glad he bailed on that one...
The 15-member council voted unanimously for the US-drafted Resolution 1441, giving the inspectors enhanced powers including the right to "immediate and unimpeded access" to Saddam's underwear drawers palaces. The unanimous vote surprised diplomats who had expected Syria, the only Arab member of the council, to abstain. Syria's deputy U.N. Ambassador Fayssal Mekdad said Damascus voted "yes" after assurances from Washington and Paris "that this resolution would not be used as a pretext to strike Iraq." The resolution also reaffirmed "the central role of the Security Council" and Iraq's sovereignty, key issues for Syria, he said. I wonder what the real deal was. They're going to get something...
Iraq has seven days to agree to comply with the resolution, which demands that it destroy its weapons of mass destruction. Iraq has a further 23 days to make a currently accurate, full and complete declaration of its programs to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. False statements or omissions, together with a failure to cooperate, would constitute "further material breach" of Iraq's obligations. It looks like Sammy's backed into a corner. There's no way he can adhere to the terms without putting himself in danger from the ambitious within Iraq — starting with his sons. It will be interesting to see the Frenchies and Arabs try to quibble him out of that corner...
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Somebody once said:"If you feel betrayed by the Syrians,you don't understand them."I think Syria just decided there's no reward in clinging to a sinking ship.
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Yeah, but being Syrians, they'll try and exact a price for leaving the sinking ship. Count on it.
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Seems awfully convenient that Muammar bailed on the Arab League just a couple of weeks before the vote. Now he doesn't have to pledge anything in Cairo. Two possibilities: 1) he saw the writing on the wall and didn't want any more tents bombed 2) he struck a deal and is going to get something. Wonder which way it went, and if the latter, who promised what?
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There were 13 others (Not counting the UK) on the SC that we had to pay off for their cooperation. I'd like to see a litany of what we had to pay in the way of direct aid, concessions, military aid and the like for each country's cooperation.
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I'd like to see that too Bob!
In the meantime, I'll quote some (rather sarcastic) advice from an Iraqi:
"my advice to blixy: demand to interview some high government official abroad the moment you are in iraq, you'll save everybody a lot of time."
My instinct with his instinct. That's the one that will break any pretense of 'cooperation'.
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Israeli troops killed Eyad Sawalhe, the commander of Islamic Jihad military wing in Jenin area, early Saturday morning. Three Israeli soldiers were lightly wounded in the gunfight in Jenin's Old City. According to Israeli reports, Sawalhe was located by troops early Saturday morning out in a hideout that was built behind a revolving wall inside a kitchen of one of the houses near the Old City. Sawalhe's wife turned herself over to the soldiers, but Eyad resisted arrest and started to shoot at the soldiers and throw hand grenades at them, the Israeli reports claimed. "You'll never take me alive, coppers! Ow!... Ow!... Ow!"
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Palestinian groups are to meet over this weekend in Cairo to discuss ending attacks inside Israel, officials from Fatah said. A Fatah delegation is to demand from Hamas that they restrict their attacks to Jewish settlers and Israeli soldiers in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, instead of all Israelis, a senior Fatah official said. If they regard their territories as occupied, that would appear to make some kind of sense, though sense of a bloodthirsty sort. If, on the other hand, the objection is the eradication of the state and its people, then it wouldn't make any sense...
Meanwhile, in response to statements made by the head of the Israeli national security council, Ephraim Halevy, in which he advocated dialogue between Hamas and Israel, the Palestinian Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) announced Saturday its complete rejection to dialogue with Israel. âThe movement decisively rejects dialogue with what is âcalledâ Israel because we in the movement have not and will not recognize this state,â prominent Hamas leader, Abdel Aziz al Rantisi, told Albawaba.com. He added, âthey are angry but we will not hold a dialogue with them.â Guess that settled that little bit of confusion, didn't it? The only way Israel is going to win its security is to set an official policy of wiping out Hamas (and probably Islamic Jihad as well). Hamas, like al-Qaeda, doesn't even hold out the possibility of dialogue, and won't until it's on its last legs. Even though the Israelis will feel bad about it afterward, they have to kill them.
On the talks with Fatah, Rantisi told Albawaba.com âthere is no fixed agenda for the planned talks with the Authority. These are supposed to be an open dialogue that will address all the issues of interest for both sides and the Palestinian people.â He added that Hamas delegation would be headed by the movementâs politburo member Mousa Abu Marzouq. Marzouq, unlike the other four politburo members, is based in Beirut, where he can coordinate with the Syrians and Iranians...
Hamas leader confirmed that Cairo played a major role in getting the two sides to agree on the meetings, adding that the outcome of these contacts would depend on the intentions of the Palestinian Authority. It's always an indication that a government has lost control when militia formations negotiate with them as equals. The same situation applies to MILF in the Philippines, to the Philippine government's disadvantage.
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The Jordanian foreign minister has called on Palestinians to halt suicide bombing attacks during the upcoming Israeli election period. Marwan Muasher warned Palestinians that suicide attacks during the election period could contribute to the election of a far right-wing government in Israel. Speaking to the London-based Al-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper, the Jordanian minister stressed that the collapse of Sharon's government was a result of domestic issues and not of the peace process. A hundred years from now, when the world is mostly divided between agnostics and atheists, an historian will analyze why religion died en masse. Here's the reason: this man, an educated Muslim, cannot come out and say that killing innocents is wrong. The reason Christianity is on the edge of disappearing is exactly the same — Unitarians, Episcopalians, United Methodists, and the like cannot bring themselves to say "this is an abomination in the eyes of God." Even more fundamentalist branches of Protestantism spend much, much more time evoking the Glory of God than they do examining right and wrong. I put that down to ecumenism, which is fine in theory, but which ends up looking for the similarities among religions while ignoring or downplaying the differences. The resulting thin gruel is devoid of both flavor and sustenance. Chris Johnson and Mark Byron know much more about the subject than I do, but it seems to me that Islam's appeal is that it does present that "right-wrong" aspect; it just draws it out to the point of absurdity, with fatwas on everything down to how to pee correctly (Muslims are supposed to squat because The Prophet did) and how to pack the pork to the Little Woman. The one will die because it's bloodless, and the other because it's bloodthirsty.
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I have no major problem with Islam nor do most of my friends. However, if the East keeps pushing this jihad/fatwa crap, we (the West) will have to turn Mecca and Medina into a sheet of glass. We are capable (although not liable; just yet) of doing that.
Church creeps who think it's okay to cornhole altarboys hold no sway over me. Rabbis who think they can talk their way outta the Islamofascist gas chamber are also in for a big surprise.
Human beings know instinctively the difference between right and wrong despite what our "moral leaders" say!
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Quite right about the Protestant mainline which has effectively reduced the number of sins down to four: racism, sexism, homophobia and not ratifying Kyoto. Most of these will dissolve or be kept around by kind of a historical force of habit, like the British monarchy.
Pentecostalism, which is not the same as fundamentalism, does seem to spend a lot of time on the glory of God and not much on confronting sin. Although it should be said that my experience with it mainly comes through watching TBN; I don't attend a Pentecostal church.
I think a great many Roman Catholics and fundamentalist Protestants like the Southern Baptists do spend quite a bit of their time on what's right and what's wrong. This is the main reason they are regularly cast as intolerent bigots by the culture at large and have been ever since Mencken.
And it's mainly been the Southern Baptists and similar groups who have made a point of highlighting the differences between Christianity and Islam. Which earned them the wrath of the Episcopalians and other Christian milquetoasts ecumenists, much to my personal disgust.
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Two Palestinians were killed and a third was seriously wounded during an attempted suicide bombing at the Jit junction near the West Bank city of Nablus on Thursday evening, Israeli media reports said. An Israeli patrol stopped a taxi in which the three men were travelling. According to the Israeli press, one of the Palestinians started running toward the soldiers and tried to detonate his explosive belt. Soldiers opened fire as he hit the ground, and the explosive belt went off, killing a second Palestinian nearby, the Israeli army said. Gosh. Dontcha hate it when that happens?
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No, as a matter of fact, I love it!
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In the Gaza Strip, four armed Palestinians kidnapped a German Red Cross official, a spokeswoman said. Nicolai Panke, the official who was abducted, is "safe and well" and Red Cross officials were in contact with the Palestinian Authority in an effort to arrange his release, said Alexandra Matijevic, the spokeswoman, according to AP. Panke was kidnapped around midday in front of the Red Cross office in the southern Gaza town of Khan Younis, she said. Panke "is responsible for our activities in those areas and was assisting people who had their houses demolished. He was kidnapped by four armed young men," Matijevic said. Palestinian security officials said the gunmen were former police officers who had been fired from their duties in the Palestinian security services. Just picking up a few bucks to get by, grabbing an infidel for ransom...
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Didn't some Palestinian security guys who had been fired kidnap some Westerners in mid-September? Maybe terrorism is in reruns now.
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Here's a link to the story about the September kidnapping: http://www.factsofisrael.com/load.php?p=http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000390.html
National Police chief Gen. Da'i Bachtiar said here on Saturday that Indonesian investigators had met with Omar al-Faruq, a terror suspect being held by U.S. security forces in Afghanistan. "Police had met directly with al-Faruq and we had taken his finger prints, we even have documentation," Da'i was quoted by Antara as saying. Taking his prints kind of implies a face-to-face meeting, doesn't it? Koran Tempo reported on Saturday that Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle legislator Permadi said Da'i had told him on Friday that the investigators had failed to meet al-Faruq face to face. Al-Faruq has reportedly linked Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Ba'asyir to the shadowy terrorist organization, Jamaah Islamiyah (JI). JI are suspected of having played a role in the deadly Bali bomb blasts on Oct. 12. The admission emerged after he questioned the investigation team's official report which contained just "yes" and "no" answers from al-Faruq, who was arrested in Indonesia but handed over to U.S. authorities. The Islamists and their supporters are going all out to discredit Faruq and to paint him as a CIA stooge. The coppers having Amrozi in custody presents a bit of a problem for them, since he's a second line to Bashir, through Hambali.
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Bali bomb blast investigators are investigating whether a man in police custody could be terror suspect Hambali, a man wanted for a string of bomb attacks in Indonesia and arguably Southeast Asia's most wanted man. Damn. My throat's still sore from ululating after the elections...
Metro TV reported the team raided two houses belonging to a man identified as Ustadz (Muslim teacher) Zakaria in the compound of the Al-Islam Islamic boarding school in Tenggulun village, Solokuro, on Saturday. The team was searching for evidence linking Zakaria, said to strongly resemble photos of Hambali, also known as Ridwan Isamuddin, to Abu Bakar Ba'asyir, a Muslim cleric with suspected links to international terrorist networks, including Jemaah Islamiyah (JI), the Indonesian television station reported. Zakaria himself is being interrogated by the investigative team in Denpasar, Bali. I hope they've sent for the large men with moustachios and truncheons if it there's a chance it is Hambali...
Police reportedly seized several rifles, nine video cassettes, three tape cassettes, documents containing military training instructions for his disciples and a photocopy of a marriage certificate belonging to Amrozy, the alleged Bali bomb maker. Sounds pretty devout, doesn't it?
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Former pro-Indonesia militia leader Eurico Guterres, who three years ago ordered his followers to murder pro-independence East Timorese, now denies any wrongdoing and claims he is a victim of the government's desire to deflect international criticism. Guterres, 28, is being tried at Jakartaâs special human rights court for one of many atrocities committed in the months surrounding East Timorâs 1999 vote for independence. On April 17, 1999, he ordered his fighters to kill pro-independence supporters, including Manuel Viegas Carascalo and his family. Shortly after his speech, pro-Jakarta militiamen murdered 12 people at Carascaloâs residence in Dili, the capital of East Timor. Yep. Sounds like there might be a connection there...
This is what the militia leader said at the time: âFrom today, 17 April 1999, I order all militias of pro-integration to clean up the traitors of integration, arrest and kill them⊠I, Eurico Guterres will be fully responsible.â Sounds like he's being held so, doesn't it?
At the commencement of his trial on October 24, 2002, he told the court he felt no remorse because his violent actions in East Timor were based on his moral and legal obligation to fight for Indonesian sovereignty. "Yes. I had a moral obligation to wipe out entire families..."
But on Thursday, Guterres claimed he could not be held responsible for the attack because he was not in control of the frenzied mob. "I'm not a monster who has no heart. I never ordered, directed or assisted people to injure or kill other people," he was quoted as saying by Agence-France Presse. "Well, maybe I did, but they had no obligation to listen to me, did they?"
Reading out a lengthy defense plea, the former leader of the Aitarak (Thorn) militia group claimed he did not witness the attack and did not know who did it. "So therefore it never happened, and I can't be held responsible for something that never happened, right?"
Guterres claims his current trial is politically motivated. âThis political trial is just a formality and in the end I will be punished," he was quoted as saying by AFP. "The reality I'm facing now is extremely ironic and painful. It's like I'm being dumped because I'm not useful anymore." Y'know, he's right. He's not useful anymore. In fact, he's an embarrassment to the Indons. He'll go down, but the current crop of terror artists won't associate that fact with their own current reality. Things like that only happen when you back the wrong side...
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The Indonesian Defense Forces (TNI) has surrounded hundreds of rebels at a secret base camp in Aceh province and ordered them to surrender, but the separatists have vowed to die fighting. "You'll never take us alive, coppers!"
The standoff could jeopardize peace talks that are due to resume next month in Switzerland between representatives of the Indonesian government and Free Aceh Movement (GAM). Well, yeah. Guess it would. If they're all dead, how're they gonna negotiate?
At least five people have been killed since the latest round of violence started on October 30 when the Army attacked the GAM base in northern Aceh. âWe are spreading leaflets to the rebels asking them to surrender. We haven't exchanged fire in the past two days. But we will keep them surrounded until they surrender,'' provincial military spokesman Major Zaenal Muttaqin was quoted as saying by the Associated Press on Saturday. Doesn't sound particularly bloodthirsty, especially for the Indonesian army...
GAM spokesman Sofyan Daud said the rebels would prefer to perish fighting if attacked by the âthousandsâ of soldiers outside their camp. âWe will not surrender. We are ready if they attack us, and we are waiting for it,â he was quoted as saying by AP. As an unbiased outsider, I'm hoping for catastrophically high casualties on both sides...
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A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
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Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
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