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Good belated morning...
Posted by: Fred || 10/14/2011 12:55 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6462 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Happy Birthday/Daily Gam Shot

Stacy Keibler aka The Weapon of Mass Seduction on "Dancing with the Stars" aka Nitro Girl at "WCW" aka "The Legs of WCW" and "The Legs of WWE" aka "The Duchess of Dudleyville" aka "Super Stacy" aka WWE Babe of the Year (2004) aka model, and former professional wrestler and valet, best known for her work with World Championship Wrestling (WCW) and World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE). (age 32)



Tabling the Motion
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 10/14/2011 14:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Stacy might be late showing up here but everything else about her is definitely on time.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/14/2011 18:51 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan
Petraeus tells CIA analysts to heed troops on war
Appears to be disconnect on the assessment. Heed my troops generals you idiots!

More on the temporary local Afghan specific tactical successes, much, much less on the strategic regional implications. A more balanced report. Oh, ok, I think I get it.

It's the National Intelligence Estimate (NEI) report card that is important. Not the FACTS! Sorry General, I'll have to go with the CIA 'desk analysts' who see the larger picture on this one. By the way, best of luck with that "early in the process" input from unit commanders.



Posted by: Besoeker || 10/14/2011 11:39 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6464 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's better to have input early in the process BEFORE conclusions are drawn. Note that CIA analysts have been known to be wrong and/or influenced by outside political forces in the past.
Posted by: tipover || 10/14/2011 12:27 Comments || Top||

#2  A radical idea. I've one better, though. Make military service with honorable discharge a prerequisite for any CIA position.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/14/2011 12:33 Comments || Top||

#3  There has been massive turnover at Langley since 2001. By far the majority of those desk analysts are in their late 20s and early 30s now. One wonders how many of them go beyond online searches and twitter feeds to get important information - and how many of them have well-grounded frameworks within which to evaluate it.
Posted by: lotp || 10/14/2011 13:00 Comments || Top||

#4  I am certainly no huge fan of the agency, but to their credit, you can rest assured twenty and thirty year old analysts do not produce a finished intelligence product without senior comment, detailed QC, and extensive oversight. And you can bet your a** nothing goes into the NIE without a very thorough review and screening by the front office, director of opns, agency deputy director and director.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/14/2011 17:10 Comments || Top||

#5  Forgive my skepticism about the CIA's senior analysts, because I agree that there are things the CIA does quite some of which we know about, like the UAVs in Pakistan, and most of which I, at least will never have the slightest inkling, which is as it should be, regardless of my 'satiable curiosity. Nonetheless, when I think of CIA National Intelligence Estimates, that travesty about Iran comes immediately to mind, in which the CIA claimed Iran had given up pursuit of nuclear weaponry, even as MEMRI was translating public statements by all sorts of official Iranians that as soon as nukes were acquired Isrqeli would be wiped off the map. 2006, I think that was, designed to keep President Bush from acting. I very strongly suspect the report was not the idea of the inexperienced youngsters.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/14/2011 20:38 Comments || Top||

#6  you can rest assured twenty and thirty year old analysts do not produce a finished intelligence product without senior comment, detailed QC, and extensive oversight

IIUC, the turnover also extended to the upper levels as well, especially senior analysts.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/14/2011 21:33 Comments || Top||


Report: RPG downed Chinook in Afghanistan
The infamous "however."

However, it said the special operations task force commander did not reallocate intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft to ensure ongoing surveillance coverage for both missions. While this was not the cause of the shoot-down or crash, the report said the issue should be addressed in similar missions in the future.

Just a lucky shot in the dark by a Taliban RPG gunner who just happened to be standing by a logical HLZ:

The report dismissed speculation that the troops aboard the helicopter were lured into the valley by insurgents with advance knowledge of the landing site. “The shoot down was not the result of a baited ambush, but rather the result of the enemy being at a heightened state of alert due to three and one half hours of ongoing coalition air operations concentrated over the northwestern portion of the Tangi Valley,” the report said.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/14/2011 11:09 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6464 views] Top|| File under:


Last evenings "strategic level" commentary. Quite professional I'd say.
#10: Are you stupid or are you simply working hard at being deliberately moronic? This is not WW2. Bomber Harris was remarkably INEFFECTIVE in his bombing of civilians - it didn't do much at all to win the war compared to the strategic bombing of factories , resources and transport. And even that didn't compare to rolling in with tanks, and ultimately, the grunts with rifles. On toip of that, those methods were the only ones available with the technology and tactics of those days. Wake the f**k up, its not 1944. Nor is it 1964. So your idiotic comparisons don't stand even a cursory look - you're dead wrong on this.

Besoeker, you talk like the "sofa soldier" who has never had to pull the trigger for real. Try instead to lead men in the field, go to war (many times at many intensity levels), have locals and civilians you are trying to liberate and stabilize - then try telling me you can order your men to pull the trigger on women and children you know to be innocent - not like in a nuclear war situation, but what you advocate as a matter of routine operations. In a word, I'm calling you out as a bullshit wannabe. Nobody that's ever been in the shit for real and for long sees it that way, unless you have become morally depraved.

There is a code of honor we swear to in the US military. I'm glad I never served with a would-be war criminal like you.

There are times my anger gets the better of me, and I will post some pretty harsh stuff here but that's mainly at a stratetgic level, since that's where some of my work was. But in the real deal, never operated that way at a tactical level, with my squad and my platoon, nor would any of the people out there now put up with that sort of operation (and I know folks from a Marine LTC to a SF A-det Captain I mentored back when they were enlisted would would agree) - its simply not who we are as American Soldiers.

Zhang Fei is correct if we want to take a clear and clean approach to "infected" villages. In the short term it would take them out of fight mode and into survival mode.

The problem is in the long term they only end up being more easily recruited by the Talib and others like them, in refugee camps over on the border, with Pakistan and Iran, and China (If you're talking Afghanistan).

"Kill them all" is simply unsustainable in the modern world - politically we would end up as a nation of pariahs, our soldiers (justifiably) branded "baby killers", and the military torn to shreds by being forced into such dishonorable behavior. Especially when we do have alternative actions and tactics that can be taken. We aren't Nazi Germany and wiping out an entire town as you would have us do - and this isnt the middle ages where Tamerlane's approach of stacking up skulls would work. The only reason to resort to such actions is if they are our ONLY recourse - then it would be done. But its not, we do have other ways of working (see Iraq for a large number of examples), and you need to get that into your head - we will not turn our troops into the equivalent of the Einsatzgruppen. There are other ways, and duty, honor and country demand that we do things the American way.

Stop posturing and pushing self destructive bullshit like an ignorant fool, like those forlorn morons who believes if they had simply killed enough of the blacks, Rhodesia would have remained white ruled.

Words fail me at this point. To put it simply for you so you'll understand:

My advice to you: Stop being such a douchebag, "visitor".
Posted by: OldSpook|| 2011-10-13 22:09 Top||


Posted by: "Sofa Soldier" formally Besoeker || 10/14/2011 00:03 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6460 views] Top|| File under:


Africa Horn
Gunmen kidnap two Spanish aid workers from Kenyan camp
GARISSA, Kenya: Gunmen kidnapped two Spanish women working for Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) at Kenya’s Dadaab refugee camp on Thursday, the third abduction of Westerners in Kenya by attackers linked to Somalia in a month.

Kenyan police said they suspected Somalia’s Al-Qaeda-linked Al-Shabab insurgents were behind the kidnapping and that security forces had chased the abductors toward the border between the two countries, which has been sealed off. No group has claimed responsibility for the attack.

MSF said it had been unable to contact the two hostages and said it would not reveal their names until their families had been informed.

“We strongly condemn this attack,” José Antonio Bastos, the president of MSF-Spain, said in a statement. “MSF is in contact with all the relevant authorities and is doing all it can to ensure the swift and safe return of our colleagues.”

A spokesman at the Spanish Foreign Ministry confirmed the missing women were Spanish.

Aid workers have been targeted for abductions on numerous occasions in Somalia, where kidnappings can be a lucrative business, but attacks in Kenya had been relatively rare until a recent spate of incidents.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/14/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6463 views] Top|| File under:


Africa North
Libyan Rebels Accused of Torturing Prisoners
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/14/2011 01:16 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6479 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Let me make a prediction. A few years down the road, Arabs will think that pre-Spring was a golden age.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/14/2011 5:20 Comments || Top||

#2  And they'll blame someone else.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/14/2011 21:36 Comments || Top||

#3  that's a given. Arabs: Always supreme, always triumphant, and perpetually a victim.
Posted by: Frank G || 10/14/2011 22:29 Comments || Top||


Qaddafi snipers make it difficult for NTC fighters
That's what snipers do...
SIRTE: Fighters loyal to Muammar Qaddafi fought a last-ditch battle in an ever shrinking pocket of resistance in the ousted leader’s hometown Sirte on Thursday.

National Transitional Council (NTC) commanders moved up tanks to fire at buildings from close range to try to dislodge the remaining Qaddafi snipers who are now surrounded on all sides in one small part of the city.

“We have control of the whole of the city except neighborhood ‘Number Two’ where the Qaddafi forces are surrounded,” said Khaled Alteir, a field commander in Sirte.

“This operation is on its dying breath,” said another commander, Col. Mohammad Aghfeer.

Die-hard loyalists to the deposed leader have not given up the fight, answering NTC attacks in Sirte with small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades. An NTC commander said Qaddafi’s besieged forces were no longer using heavier weapons.

Green flags, the banner of Qaddafi’s 42-year rule, still fly above many of the buildings in Sirte, but the commander said, the defending forces appeared to have lost their cohesion.

“We’ve noticed now they are fighting every man for himself,” said Baloun Al Sharie, a field commander. “We tried to tell them it’s enough and to give themselves up, but they would not.”

NTC officers say Qaddafi loyalists correctly fear reprisals if they give themselves up.

Some captured fighters have been roughed up by NTC forces and Amnesty International issued a report on Wednesday saying Libya’s new rulers were in danger of repeating human rights abuses commonplace during Muammar Qaddafi’s rule. The NTC said it would look into the report.

As the tanks pounded the apartment blocks where Qaddafi’s men are holed up, pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns moved in behind, then infantry armed with AK-47s began their assault.

One field hospital received two NTC dead and 23 wounded on Thursday. One of the dead men had been hit while taking food up to the fighters on the front line, doctors said.

In the skies, NATO aircraft have been carrying out reconnaissance missions and Britain said its jets had bombed and destroyed two pick-up trucks belonging to Qaddafi’s forces in Sirte on Wednesday.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/14/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6462 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The bastards!
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/14/2011 5:20 Comments || Top||

#2  It's so unfair™!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/14/2011 14:34 Comments || Top||


Africa Subsaharan
Obama send US Troops to Africa

President Barack Obama is sending about 100 U.S. troops to Africa to help hunt down the leaders of the notoriously violent Lord's Resistance Army in and around Uganda.

"I have authorized a small number of combat-equipped U.S. forces to deploy to central Africa to provide assistance to regional forces that are working toward the removal of Joseph Kony from the battlefield," Obama said in letter sent Friday to House Speaker John Boehner and Daniel Inouye, the president pro tempore of the Senate.

Kony is the head of the Lord's Resistance Army.

U.S. military personnel advising regional forces working to target Kony and other senior leaders will not engage Kony's forces "unless necessary for self-defense," Obama said.
Posted by: TS9905 || 10/14/2011 14:55 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6480 views] Top|| File under:

#1  From another web site in the comments:

Rush just said that the LRA is “Lord’s Resistance Army. That it is Christians fighting Muslims. And if Obama is sending troops into another war, (as Libya started this way) that our troops will be fighting Christians.
Posted by: Sherry || 10/14/2011 15:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Scroll down to "Amid a world of threats, Panetta laments pending budget axe". Geeesh. Another stick your finger into places you do no need to be.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/14/2011 15:42 Comments || Top||

#3  ...Seriously mixed emotions here. On the one hand, Kony is about as James Bond supervillain/Hitler crazy and homicidal as they get. Osama's body count almost certainly wasn't what Kony's is. On the other hand, let's see:

Iraq
Afghanistan
Libya
Phillipines
Uganda

And sadly, in this country, little wars tend to grow like Topsy...

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 10/14/2011 16:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Kony is, I believe, nominally Christian, but it's his own religion, with borrowings from Islam. He's into child slavery and child concubinage.

I hope he dies soon and painfully, but I have no idea why U.S. troops should be training Ugandan troops, who're more familiar with the problem and the terrain.
Posted by: Fred || 10/14/2011 16:20 Comments || Top||

#5  Rush is wrong. Kony may have started out Christian, but now he is as much Muslim (other name Mohammed) as Christian and all animal. The pious Muslims in Khartoum are his lifeline of weapons and money.
Posted by: Eohippus Phater7165 || 10/14/2011 16:26 Comments || Top||

#6  He's into child slavery and child concubinage.

His specialty is raiding boarding schools, which I take it are Christian church based.
Posted by: Eohippus Phater7165 || 10/14/2011 16:29 Comments || Top||

#7  Beyond belief. No wait, it really isn't. In fact it was predicted some months ago right in this forum.

African problems should remain the domain of Africans. End of story.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/14/2011 17:16 Comments || Top||

#8  The only reason I agree with the anti-piracy operations along Somalia is that the Somalis have expanded out far enough to be a big problem in a lot of places in the oceans. Uganda can take care of the LRA, all that they need is more equipment and some specific training. This is how Vietnam started out: a few 'advisers' that got into combat and then we kept introducing more and more troops. We managed to avoid the whole African colonial period, why do we have to start in on it now?
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 10/14/2011 18:11 Comments || Top||

#9  LRA is not Christian at all. They are one of the more brutal African armies, and that's saying something. Kony's removal from the planet can only be a good thing. Christians vs. Muslims? Just total bullshit by the uninformed.
Posted by: gromky || 10/14/2011 18:35 Comments || Top||

#10  The bucket of African "bad actors" is bottomless, endless in fact. Once you're in, it's difficult to climb back out. I suspect the word quagmire is quite appropriate.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/14/2011 19:43 Comments || Top||

#11  The LRA are total scum, but I fail to see how this is in our national interest.
Posted by: Cincinnatus Chili || 10/14/2011 20:19 Comments || Top||

#12  CC, it is in our national interest because Obama said so.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 10/14/2011 20:34 Comments || Top||

#13  "Our troops will be fighting CHristians" > OH THE HUGE MANATEE!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/14/2011 20:37 Comments || Top||

#14  JosephM, I suspect you aren't in the least ashamed of that one. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/14/2011 21:58 Comments || Top||

#15  I'm sorry, this is just insane. I would be quite happy with Kony & Co. being taken out, and as other commenters have noted, there is nothing remotely Christian about this outfit.

BUT: what exactly does Obama expect the rest of the LRA to do as our guys go after their leadership? Sit on their hands?? There is some kind of weird Democrat Theory Of War that thinks that these things can be neat, clean, and compartmentalized. And it never works.

To be blunt, 100 troops in this area sounds EXACTLY like Mogadishu and Black Hawk Down.
Posted by: Free Radical || 10/14/2011 22:13 Comments || Top||

#16  Les Aspin denied them armored support
Posted by: Frank G || 10/14/2011 22:34 Comments || Top||

#17  Seen two types of reports. One is that the mission is to capture or kill the LRA bigs. The other is to advise and train local forces.
Training is all very well, but in places like Uganda, or Chad, or any other nation on the continent, the restriction on action is transport.
How many trucks, including fuel transports, does it take to get a battalion five hundred miles out into the bush to take on the LRA, or any other bunch of bastards? How many trucks does the government have? Can they operate fast enough to get where they're going before the bad guys find out?

I like the idea of finding the LRA bigs and calling in half a dozen cruise missiles.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 10/14/2011 22:46 Comments || Top||


Medical workers kidnapped in Kenya.
Posted by: "Sofa Soldier" formally Besoeker || 10/14/2011 00:40 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6461 views] Top|| File under:


Britain
IRA dissidents bomb office in Northern Ireland
DUBLIN: Northern Ireland police say IRA dissidents behind the latest bombing in the British territory are certain to kill a civilian eventually because of their erratic weaponry and tactics.
"Erratic", ya say? Are the boyos havin a wee taste before they go out a bombing?
A small bomb in a backpack damaged the entrance of the City of Culture office in Londonderry, Northern Ireland's No. 2 city, on Wednesday night. An Irish Republican Army splinter group using a recognized code word claimed responsibility.
What he say?
He said..."Begorrah!"
Yeah. It's the IRA all right...

The city's senior policeman, Chief Superintendent Stephen Martin, says the dissidents are too reliant on amateur timing devices and crude homemade bombs. He says Wednesday's blast an hour after the warning was strong enough to kill a passerby. Martin says it's "only a matter of time before a mistake does happen and these people take a life."
Posted by: Steve White || 10/14/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6462 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We'll laugh in a tolerant fashion...for a while.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/14/2011 0:37 Comments || Top||

#2  yup, Skidmark
Posted by: lotp || 10/14/2011 13:04 Comments || Top||


Europe
Debate over 'Leftist Terrorism' Erupts in Germany
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/14/2011 01:04 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6465 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Man made disaster" surely?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/14/2011 5:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Just like I said yesterday - Leftists are The Good Guys, anything they do is sacred.

The very fact that left-wing extremists are considered good enough to appear in Spiegel is part of the problem.
Posted by: gromky || 10/14/2011 13:25 Comments || Top||


16th firebomb found near Berlin rail tracks
BERLIN: Police on Thursday found bottles filled with a potentially explosive mix of liquid and powder beside train tracks in southwestern Berlin on Thursday, the 16th firebomb discovered in four days.

Investigators found the bomb, which hadn’t exploded, hidden in the grass next to the tracks. It was made of two bottles with yellow and brown liquids and two blue bags filled with powder.

Sixteen firebombs have been found in nine locations around the capital since Monday, forcing hundreds of trains to be delayed and frustrating thousands of passengers through partial shutdowns. One went off, damaging a track west of the city, and another ignited but did not explode. Nobody has been injured.

It was not clear when the most recent bomb was placed; authorities said that all of the devices could have been planted at the same time over the weekend.

A previously unknown communist leftist terrorist group has claimed responsibility for one of the firebombs.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/14/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6465 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Find the Parties responsible and MAKE them disarm these, watch closely.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/14/2011 0:29 Comments || Top||

#2  According to a federal court ruling in November 2007, politically motivated arson can only be considered terrorism if it poses considerable danger to the state.

What on earth? Since when is arson not a danger to public order, and hence to the state? Somebody please explain the nuance.
Posted by: mom || 10/14/2011 17:23 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Three convicted in NC terror trial
A federal jury has convicted three North Carolina Muslims of plotting to attack unspecified targets overseas, as well as the Marine Corps base in Quantico, Va., in what prosecutors called a case of "homegrown terrorism."

Omar Aly Hassan, 22, Ziyad Yaghi, 21, and Hysen Sherifi, 24, were convicted Thursday of providing material support for terrorists. Yaghi and Sherifi were also convicted of conspiring to kill, kidnap or maim unspecified people overseas; Hassan was acquitted on the conspiracy charge.

Prosecutors in the trial said the men traveled overseas, raised money and trained with weapons in the service of a jihadist plot to kill perceived enemies of Islam. Defense lawyers said evidence presented in court did not show the defendants discussing or agreeing to any specific attack.

The government collected 750 hours of audio and video that included conversations between the defendants and three paid FBI informants; in those conversations, the defendants discussed jihad and their hatred for non-Muslims.

Friends and family members who attended the trial said there was selective prosecution of Muslims. Hassan's father, Aly Hassan, said that the trial had been "a long nightmare."

"Every single witness came out and said they never conspired with my son," Hassan said. "Conspiracy is a very elastic word."

Outside the courtroom, Sherifi's mother shouted, "Racist vultures!"

Mauri Saalakhan, director of an Islamic organization called the Peace Thru Justice Foundation, said the convicted men were victims of guilt by association. He called the undercover informants "provocateurs" who entrapped them.

Eight men were indicted in the case in 2009. Their accused leader, U.S.-born Daniel Boyd, a Muslim convert, testified for the government in a plea deal. So did his sons, Daniel Boyd, 24, and Zakariya Boyd, 21. They are to be sentenced later. A trial for the seventh defendant, Anes Subasic, has not been scheduled. The eighth defendant, Jude Kenan Mohammad, is a fugitive.

Prosecutors named no specific places, times or dates for attacks, except for a potential attack on the Marine base in Quantico. The elder Daniel Boyd had visited the base, and he and Sherifi had discussed its vulnerability to an attack on Marines and their families. Sherifi was also convicted of conspiring to kill members of the U.S. military and weapons violations.

In court, prosecutors displayed a stockpile of almost two dozen guns and 27,000 rounds of ammunition taken from a bunker under Daniel Boyd's home; they also played tapes of the defendants praising jihadist publications.

Defense lawyers said the defendants were foolish young men who made "stupid'' and offensive comments but did not commit any crimes.

Hassan and Yaghi are U.S. citizens. Sherifi, a Kosovo native, is a legal permanent U.S. resident. Sentencing is scheduled to take place in 90 days.
This article starring:
Hysen Sherifi
Omar Aly Hassan
Ziyad Yaghi
Posted by: ryuge || 10/14/2011 11:18 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6461 views] Top|| File under:


Lawmakers suggest treating drug cartels as terrorist organizations
The foiling of a thickening plot by Tehran's Qods Force Militia In Leesburg (TQFMIL) to recruit a Mexican drug cartel to murder the Saudi ambassador by bombing a D.C. restaurant underscores that it's not just the ATF, FBI, CIA, and US State Department, but drug gangs as well “are providing material support and assistance” to terrorist groups and sponsoring states (sometimes known as simply as "State Sponsored Terror") Mrs. Ros-Lehtinen said during a hearing.

Posted by: Besoeker || 10/14/2011 07:13 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6479 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I've seen this movie before.

...but drug gangs as well "are providing material support and assistance" to terrorist groups and sponsoring states

So we can treat Americans also as agents 'providing material support and assistance to terrorist groups' too? Does it cease being a 'police' action and become a 'war' action? The latter question crosses the authorization line for Posse Comitatus [that little post-Reconstruction act, intended to remove federal troops from polling places so that black could have their 15th Amendment rights abridged by the states, today construed as 'protecting' civil rights].
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/14/2011 8:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Agreed. What the cartels are doing is essentially an outgrowth of free market forces, which is far more potent than idealistic philosophy. Even Stalinist regimes have been unable to stop it, though they are willing to kill everyone involved with it.

Instead, what should be done is to send a message to the cartels of a "disconnected agreement", that though what they are doing is criminal, it is "just" criminal, so will be treated as such. Crime and punishment.

But if they fool around with terrorists, they will have left the realm of "criminal", and will be exterminated, not arrested. A death penalty for mere membership in their organization, with no one spared, and no appeal.

The logic being that *nothing* terrorists can offer them is worth this. And tacitly, if they inform on terrorists on their turf, it will earn them "brownie points" with the US government.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/14/2011 9:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Does it mean a huge effort by the "intellectual" elites to argue that drugs are actually beneficent ("Religion of Peace" style)?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/14/2011 10:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Or we could, you know, treat them as what they are - criminal organizations willing to do anything for a price.

Let's hire them to whack the Mullahs.
Posted by: mojo || 10/14/2011 10:26 Comments || Top||

#5  Perhaps an approach should be used such as that used against Escobar in Columbia. The war against Escobar ended on December 2, 1993, amid another attempt to elude the Search Bloc. Using radio triangulation technology provided as part of the United States efforts, a Colombian electronic surveillance team, led by Brigadier Hugo Martinez, found him hiding in a middle-class barrio in Medellín. With authorities closing in, a firefight with Escobar and his bodyguard, Alvaro de Jesús Agudelo AKA "El Limón", ensued. The two fugitives attempted to escape by running across the roofs of adjoining houses to reach a back street, but both were shot and killed by Colombian National Police. Some of Escobar's more memorable quotes:

* "I prefer to be in the grave in Colombia than in a jail cell in the United States."
* "I'm a decent man who exports flowers.
"All empires are created of blood and fire.
* "Everyone has a price, the important thing is to find out what it is.
* "There can only be one king."
"Sometimes I am God, if I say a man dies, he dies that same day."
*"There are two hundred million idiots, manipulated by a million intelligent men."

Supply of drugs is going to have to be stopped. Also the demand characteristics for drugs in the U.S. will have to be altered. Our borders are going to have to be controlled. I read today that more than $300 million worth of pot was discovered in West Tennessee. It was a very elaborate set-up that suggested Mexican cartels.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/14/2011 10:47 Comments || Top||

#6  Supply & demand, JQC. Supply & demand.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/14/2011 10:54 Comments || Top||

#7  Maybe lawmakers are starting to see the threat. It's been brewing awhile.
Posted by: newc || 10/14/2011 12:14 Comments || Top||

#8  I have no problem with treating drug cartels like terrorists. I remember the giant car bombs in Columbia being set off by the cartels.

Execute the growers
Execute the smugglers
execute the cartel members
execute the dealers

It will be bloody but it won't last long really. These guys are alot easier to find than other terrorists and when Cartels start being whacked by special operations teams, they will fold rather quickly.

Incarceration is NOT punishment.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Halliburton Lost Drill Bit Division || 10/14/2011 12:36 Comments || Top||

#9  and then everyone who sells, uses or otherwise supports those who do is a terrorist too?
Posted by: 21984 || 10/14/2011 14:54 Comments || Top||

#10  Yes, pretty much. They make their own choices, and when they choose to support the cartels by buying their poisons, they are supporting them materially. To me that's no different than the ones that give the terrorist groups money and weapons.

Like it or not, drugs are illegal. That is the law of the land. We still haven't fought the war on drugs, we've simply been slapping it's wrist and whining about it. So the choice is either to actually fight it or just keep whining about it or surrender to it. And just like with government regulation of cigarettes, legalizing it will not make the cartels go away. The government will slap all kinds of sin taxes on it, driving the market back underground.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Halliburton Lost Drill Bit Division || 10/14/2011 15:44 Comments || Top||

#11  Execute the growers
Execute the smugglers
execute the cartel members
execute their dealers


Many Indian tribes, some of them direct descendants of the ancient Aztecs, and their communities in the Mexican Sierras in Durango, Chihuahua, Sonora and Sinaloa states are forced to grow and process drugs under the threat of murder and rape. Many have already been murdered and raped, and their homes have been burned to the ground.

You gonna punish them again?

Many migrants from Central and South America are forced to mule drugs in under threat of murder and rape, and extortion against their families at home.

Does your solution apply to them as well?

Many Mexican cartels get their recruits from transnational/youth criminal gangs such as MS-13.

You gonna execute a 14 year old Mexican thug-to-be because of his poor life decision to join a criminal gang?
Posted by: badanov || 10/14/2011 16:34 Comments || Top||

#12  Whether it makes sense or not, drugs are illegal. That is the law of the land, enacted by misguided people who could not and did not foresee the consequences. We are still fighting the war on drugs after decades. And we've simply been pissing up a rope. So the choice is either to actually modify our approach or just keep losing and whining about it. And just like with government regulation of cigarettes, legalizing it will not make the cartels go away. The government MAY slap all kinds of sin taxes on it, driving the market back underground. But hopefully, even if they make this error, the trade will involve less violence and not be destabilizing to neighboring countries.
Posted by: Hupailing Ebbuns || 10/14/2011 16:46 Comments || Top||

#13  And just like with government regulation of cigarettes, legalizing it will not make the cartels go away. The government MAY slap all kinds of sin taxes on it, driving the market back underground. But hopefully, even if they make this error, the trade will involve less violence and not be destabilizing to neighboring countries.

Horse pucky. The gangsters aren't going to go away and they aren't going to cede control of their cash crops. They will continue to butcher people to protect their revenues, and they will find more evil ways to make up any lost revenue.
Posted by: mom || 10/14/2011 17:28 Comments || Top||

#14  You gonna execute a 14 year old Mexican thug-to-be because of his poor life decision to join a criminal gang?

If he chose to join a cartel and become a thug, bringing pain and misery to others.....HELL YES.

We are responsible for the choices we make, be they good or bad. We bombed the hell out of German civilians who worked or lived near munitions factories during WWII. Were they any less undeserving of their fate? No, but in the interest of stemming their nation's aggression, they suffered. This is not a perfect world and never will be as long as there are human beings involved in the decision making.

And honestly, I see no reason to appease the cartels and their 'victims' instead of making the hard and better choice to bring their evil to an end.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Halliburton Lost Drill Bit Division || 10/14/2011 18:34 Comments || Top||

#15  The government MAY slap all kinds of sin taxes on it, driving the market back underground.

This. If you think the war on drugs is bad now, just wait till it's over.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 10/14/2011 18:36 Comments || Top||

#16  just plain stupid. Just like the rest of the war on drugs.
Posted by: Ominous1 || 10/14/2011 21:07 Comments || Top||

#17  John Dillinger was guilty of many murders, but it took a tax evasion charge to put him away.

The acts cited as justification for treating narco cartels as terrorists include bombings, abductions and political assasinations in Mexico. That's the tax evasion equivalent.

Look instead to reports from some time back that MS-13 mules are alleged to have brought at least one and probably more Hezb'allah sleeper cells across the Mexican border a while back. As the story was related in the press, the suspected cell disappeared into the hills north of Los Alamos.

Perhaps that story is apocryphal. Perhaps not. In any case the links between Islamicist terror groups and terror sponsors OTOH and the drug trade OTOH have been obvious for several years now.

The narcos now deploy .50 cal automatic weapons, effective body armor, military-grade night vision equipment and the equivalent of HUMVEES. They've begun using military-quality attack helicopers in their war with the authorities in Mexico. They've overflown our border with them, too. They've crossed into our territory, kidnapped or killed people here including US citizens, with impunity.

I don't think the issue here is really drug trade per se. Rather, it's the tight and effective alliance between the increasingly militarized narcos and the jihadis, stirred into a failing state to our south.
Posted by: lotp || 10/14/2011 21:08 Comments || Top||

#18  Along these lines, from time to time I post the link to this study:

Street Gangs as Urban Insurgencies by Max Manwaring of the Army War College.

It predates the more recent surge in narco capabilities and violence, but it was prescient in challenging the idea that gangs just want to be left alone to deal drugs / have respect etc. As Manwaring points out, gangs inevitably move to create wider and wider zones which the civil authorities cannot control or protect.

So whether the narcos are "just businessmen" or something more, Manwaring suggests the effect becomes the same thing once they get sufficiently established - insurgency and the breakdown of civil order.
Posted by: lotp || 10/14/2011 21:19 Comments || Top||

#19  John Dillinger was guilty of many murders

You mean Al Capone. John Dillinger was killed in Chicago in 1934.

Posted by: Pappy || 10/14/2011 21:41 Comments || Top||

#20  Yup. Capone it was - thanks, Pappy.
Posted by: lotp || 10/14/2011 22:58 Comments || Top||

#21  Execute...
execute...
execute...


Sounds rather like that scorched earth, destroy-the-village philosophy that caused such a stir in another thread.




Posted by: SteveS || 10/14/2011 23:43 Comments || Top||


Argentina was advised of possible Iran attacks
There is always that 10% that.... never gets the word.


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Amid a world of threats, Panetta laments pending budget axe
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/14/2011 01:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6473 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There are a lot of First World countries that should have picked up their own defense a generation or two ago. How about starting there.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/14/2011 8:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Agreed. The US currently deploys its military to about 100 nations around the world, in other than embassy guards roles. They and their families can be relocated to the perhaps dozen places around the world they need to be, or they should come back to the US.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/14/2011 9:44 Comments || Top||

#3  IIRC WMF > CHINA'S VICTORY IS CERTAIN: US BUDGET WOES MAY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF AMERICAN NUCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS [Nimitz-class] TO 8-9, SERIOUSLY HINDERING THE US' ABILITY TO WAGE TWO-OCEAN WAR. CALLS TO CANCELL THE NEW CVN21 FORD-CLASS CARRIER.

US Marine AMPHIB VARRIERS + USAF STRATEGIC BOMBERS also face serious cutbacks.

The "wild card" for both the US + China as per geopol competition, perhaps even mil confronttaion + conflict, will be the RISE OF NUCLEAR RADICAL ISLAMISM IN EAST ASIA + PACOAS.

Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/14/2011 20:54 Comments || Top||

#4  DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > INDIA-VIETNAM OIL EXPLORATION MUST BE STOPPED: PEOPLE'S DAILY [Global Times].

versus

* SAME > TAIWAN TO BASE MISSLES ON [China-claimed] DISPUTED ISLANDS, in SCS.

versus

* TOPIX > INDIA WILL NOT BOLSTER NAVAL FORCES IN SOUTH CHINA SEA.

Thus of course cameth ...

* IIRC BHARAT RAKSHAK > CHINA'S MOVES IN MALDIVES UPSETS/RATTLES INDIA.

2 ea. deepwater-port development, modernization.

* TOPIX > INDIA + CHINA RACE [Naval, seabed resource exploration] FOR THE BOTTOM OF THE WORLD.

Southern Indian Ocean including Antarctica/South Pole.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/14/2011 21:59 Comments || Top||

#5  ION TOPIX > RUSSIA'S FUTURE MISSLE DEFENSE TO BE BASED IN AIR.

First Sea-based, now Air-based BMD.

ARTIC = Ostensibly ABL + Fighter, FighterBomber tac aircraft platforms, but I'm inclined to think Russia infers much much more.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/14/2011 22:27 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Two boys run away from militants` captivity
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10 militants killed in drone attacks
[Dawn] Ten hard boyz were killed in US drone attacks on targets in North and South Wazoo on Thursday.

The attacks took place as Special US Envoy for Pakistain and Afghanistan, Marc Grossman, arrived in Islamabad and held talks with civilian and military leaders.

In the first attack, two missiles struck a compound in Dandi Derpakhel area near Miramshah in North Waziristan, early in the morning.

Official sources said a commander of the Haqqani network identified as Jamil and three other hard boyz were killed. They said the drone fired missiles when Jamil came out of the compound.

Members of Jalaluddin Haqqani's family and close relatives have been living in Dandi Derpakhel area since the start of the Afghan war. The group had set up a seminary in the area.

Another drone attacked an outpost of hard boyz on a hill in Zeba mountains close to the Afghan border.

Sources said the hard boyz were using the outpost to keep an eye on the movement of NATO
...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Originally it was a mutual defense pact directed against an expansionist Soviet Union. In later years it evolved into a mechanism for picking the American pocket while criticizing the cut of the American pants...
and Afghan troops at their forward base in Machadad Kot area of Paktika
...which coincidentally borders South Wazoo...
province across the border. Two Afghan and four local hard boyz were killed in the drone attack, sources said.

Agencies add: "Jamil Haqqani, an important Afghan commander of the Haqqani network was the target and was killed," a Pak security official said, adding that Jamil was working as a coordinator of the network in North Waziristan.

The official said the three other hard boyz killed in the strike were Haqqani's fighters, guarding the commander in the compound.

Other officials said Jamil was not related to Jalaluddin, or his son Sirajuddin who now runs the network but that he was "very close to the top commanders, including Sirajuddin".

Meanwhile,
...back at the shattered spaceship, Fffflirgoll the Arcturan slithered stealthily toward the control room, where the humans had barricaded themselves...
a US official on Thursday confirmed that a top Haqqani commander had been killed in a strike in Pakistain.

"It's been confirmed that Janbaz Zadran, aka Jamil, was killed earlier today in North Waziristan, Pakistain," the official said, adding that his death "makes him the most senior Haqqani leader in Pakistain to be taken off the battlefield."
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Militants attack police station in Shabqadar
[Dawn] Militants from neighbouring Mohmand
... Named for the Mohmand clan of the Sarban Pahstuns, a truculent, quarrelsome lot. In Pakistain, the Mohmands infest their eponymous Agency, metastasizing as far as the plains of Beautiful Downtown Peshawar, Charsadda, and Mardan. Mohmands are also scattered throughout Pakistan in urban areas including Karachi, Lahore, and Quetta. In Afghanistan they are mainly found in Nangarhar and Kunar...
tribal agency fired rockets and mortars on the Saro Kalli cop shoppe in Shabqadar area of Charsadda during the small hours of Wednesday.

Also in the day, Ziarat Khazena area of Mohmand agency and residential areas in Darra Adamkhel came under mortar attack, which left one dead and several injured.

Police said over a dozen armed Islamic fascisti fired nine rockets and mortar shells on the Saro Kalli cop shoppe on the Mohmand border early on Wednesday, partially damaging the boundary wall. The remaining rockets and mortar shells missed the target and fell outside the premises.

District police officer Charsadda Nisar Marwat told Dawn that he along with heavy contingent of police reached the cop shoppe soon after the attack as reinforcement, adding that the exchange of fire between police and Islamic fascisti continued until 3am. He said the attackers began fleeing after the arrival of the reinforcement.

The DPO said no damage to coppers was reported but said he had no idea as to how many Islamic fascisti were killed or maimed in the police firing as they all decamped in the dark.

It was the second Death Eater attack on the Saro Kalli cop shoppe but in the two attacks, no policeman was hurt.

In Ziarat Khazena, a child was killed and two injured after a mortar shell went kaboom!.

Locals said Sanaullah, Rahimullah and Abdul Hadi suffered critical injuries after an unwent kaboom! mortar shell they were playing with set off.

They said the injured children were taken to a hospital in Peshawar where Rahimullah pegged out, adding that the condition of the other children was critical.

In Darra Adamkhel, Islamic fascisti attacked residential parts with mortar shells injuring four members of a family, including two children.

At least, 20 mortar shells were fired from a mountain in Bulandara, which links Darra Adamkhel with Orakzai agency. Fifteen shells fell in Thandi Kalay in Akhorwal on the house of Amir Gul Afridi, who along with his wife and two children was critically maimed in the attack. They all were shifted to the Lady Reading Hospital in Peshawar for treatment. The house was partially damaged in the attack.

Five mortar shells were fired in Spina Thana area and Babozay Kalay near the check post of Frontier Constabulary but no damage to human life was reported.

The security forces returned the fire forcing Islamic fascisti to flee.
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Fata Secretariat official killed in Hayatabad
[Dawn] An official of Fata Secretariat was rubbed out here on Wednesday by unknown assailants when he was driving his car in Hayatabad, police said.

An official of the Tatara cop shoppe told Dawn that Javaid Akhtar was heading a community programme for Khyber Agency.

The official said that a bullet pierced his eye and he was killed on the spot.

He said that Mr Akhtar was rushed to the hospital but the doctors pronounced him dead
He's dead, Jim!
. Quoting his cousin, Ali Gohar, the official said that the dear departed had no enmity. Police have started the paperwork but haven't done much else and are investigating.
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Indian police say Delhi holiday bomb plot foiled
[Dawn] Indian police said Thursday they had foiled a planned bombing attack in New Delhi after seizing a car laden with explosives ahead of a key Hindu festival.

More than five kilograms (11 pounds) of explosives were recovered on Wednesday evening from the car in Ambala in the northern state of Haryana, Deputy Commissioner of Police Arun Kampani told news hounds in New Delhi.

The seizure came barely two weeks before the country celebrates the Hindu festival of light, Diwali.

Kampani said police had acted on intelligence that a unit of the Pakistain-based Lashkar-e-Taiba orc group had provided the explosives to a Sikh separatist outfit that planned to trigger the bomb in New Delhi.

"Ambala was the place where the explosives were meant to be exchanged," he said.

Police also recovered five detonators and two timers from the car outside the Ambala railway station.

The LeT was blamed for the 2008 Mumbai attacks that left 166 dead in India's financial capital.

The last orc strike in Delhi was in September when a bomb outside the High Court killed 14 people -- the latest in a series of blasts that has shaken public confidence in the government's counter-terror capabilities.

Experts say Indian security agencies, and in particular the police, suffer from under funding, a lack of training and poor intelligence gathering and sharing.
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Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Many freed Paleo prisoners may be deported
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip: A Hamas official said Thursday that close to 200 of the 450 Palestinians to be freed in the first phase of a swap for a captured Israeli soldier will not be allowed to return to their homes in the West Bank, Gaza or east Jerusalem, suggesting a substantial number may face deportation.

The official, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to release the figures, told reporters that 272 of the 450 prisoners to be released in the initial stage of the swap for Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit can go home. That means the remaining 178 are likely to be deported to third countries or — if they are from the West Bank or east Jerusalem — to the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip. The Hamas official did not name any countries that might be a destination for those expelled.

The prisoner swap was announced Tuesday, ending a five year saga of sputtering negotiations to release Shalit, who was seized by Hamas-backed Gaza militants in a cross-border raid in 2006. Israel will release more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners. About 550 are expected to be freed in a second phase in about two months.

The deportations would be a blow to the prisoners’ families, many of whom have waited decades to see their loved ones.
So visit Mauritania...
Hamas may come under fire from Palestinian critics for agreeing to so many deportations after it repeatedly said it would fight to allow prisoners to return home. Hamas officials note that Israel wanted far more prisoners deported, and that the release of so many Palestinians itself is a victory.

Israel pressed for the deportation of Palestinian prisoners who they worried would pose a security risk to the Jewish state if they were released back into their own communities. Most of those Israel objects to are blamed for masterminding militant attacks, or causing Israeli deaths.

The first phase of the deal will likely be concluded next Tuesday or Wednesday, said another Hamas official, Saleh Aruri.

Aruri said Israeli prison authorities would hand over Palestinian prisoners to the International Committee of the Red Thingy Cross, while they would transfer Shalit to Egyptian authorities.

“Israel will hand over our beloved brothers and sisters,” said Aruri, speaking to a television station loyal to the militant group.

On Thursday, Hamas chief Khaled Mashaal was in Cairo meeting with Egyptian intelligence chief Mourad Mowafi to discuss the logistics of the release. Egypt is credited with playing a main role in brokering the swap deal.

The Hamas official who offered a breakdown of the first phase of prisoners said they would include seven who have served around three decades in Israeli jails. It was not immediately clear what their sentences were, or if they would be among the deportees.

While the crimes the men were sentenced for were violent — and deadly — the case of prisoners in Israeli jails is deeply sensitive to Palestinians. Most Palestinians have either served time in an Israeli jail, or know somebody who has.

Shalit’s plight mesmerized Israel, a country where most adults are expected to undertake military conscription and see their government as responsible for ensuring their safety while serving their country.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/14/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6474 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Send them to be with their EU friends.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/14/2011 5:18 Comments || Top||

#2  nice. If you're unacceptable to the Paleo society, you're real scum. Nobody wants you
Posted by: Frank G || 10/14/2011 9:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Yemen!
How I love ya, how I love ya
My dear old Yemen...
Posted by: mojo || 10/14/2011 10:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Instanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Instanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night

Every Paleo thug in Constantinople
lives in Instanbul, not Constantinople
So if you're deported to Constantinople
You'll be dumped in Istanbul
Posted by: Pappy || 10/14/2011 19:09 Comments || Top||

#5  What's that, Pappy?
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/14/2011 22:21 Comments || Top||


Israel gives back some major league scumbags in the Shalit deal
They include Nasser Batima, convicted of planning the 2002 Passover Seder suicide-bomb attack on the Park Hotel in Netanya, in which 30 civilians were killed and 140 were wounded.

Israel Radio said that the unconfirmed list also named Husam Badran, head of Hamas terrorist cells in the northern West Bank, who took part in the planning of the 2001 bombing of the Dolphinarium nightclub in Tel Aviv, in which 21 youths were murdered, the Park Hotel bombing, and the 2002 bombing of the Matza Restaurant in Haifa, in which 14 civilians lost their lives.

Other men listed were Hamas member Yehieh Sinwar, sentenced to five life sentences for his role in the kidnapping and murder of Sgt. Nachshon Wachsman. Sinwar is the brother of one of the Hamas men who planned Gilad Schalit's kidnapping, and a founding member of Hamas's military structure in Gaza. Another name on the list is Jihad Yarmur, a member of the cell that killed Wachsman during the failed bid to rescue him from his kidnappers in 1994.

Ahmed Najar, former commander of a Hamas cell that murdered three Israelis in shooting attacks, is also to be released, according to Hamas's Al-Aksa TV.

Islamic Jihad member Abd al-Hadi Gnaim, a terrorist who hijacked an Egged bus in 1989 traveling from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and drove it over a steep drop, killing 16 passengers, is also reportedly on the list.

Muhammad Shrataha, head of the cell that kidnapped and murdered Sgt. Avi Sasportas and Pvt. Ilan Sa'adon in 1989, will also reportedly soon be free.

Additional names include Fahad Shaludi, convicted of his role in the kidnap and murder of Pvt. Yaron Hen in 1993, and Muhammad Atun, Mussa Akawi and Majad Abu Katish, members of a Hamas cell that kidnapped and murdered Border Police Sgt.- Maj. Nissim Toledano in 1992.

Two men convicted of stabbing to death yeshiva student Haim Kerman in 1998 in Jerusalem, Bassam Abu Sanina and Riad Asila, are also on the list.

According to reports, Muhammad Hamada, convicted of plotting to fire a missile at the Teddy Stadium in Jerusalem when it was filled with fans, will be set free. Na'el Barghouti, the Palestinian prisoner who has served the most time in an Israeli prison -- 30 years -- will be released, Hamas said.

The oldest Palestinian security prisoner, 78-year-old Sami Yunis, is also slated to be released.

In the first stage, 450 prisoners will be let go -- 280 of whom are serving life sentences. Schalit will then be sent to Israel, and another 550 prisoners -- including women -- will be released.

One of the women slated to be released was named on a list published on the website of the Al-Aksa TV channel. The woman, Ahlam Tamimi, was the first woman to join the Islamist movement and the person who drove the suicide bomber who carried out the attack at the Sbarro restaurant at the corner of King George Street and Jaffa Road in Jerusalem in August 2001. Sixteen people were killed, including five members of the Schijveschuurder family from the community of Neria in Binyamin.
This article starring:
Ahlam Tamimi
Muhammad Hamada
Na'el Barghouti
Sami Yunis
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/14/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6471 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The one thing Dar, and Paleo part in particular, is not short of are major league scumbags
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/14/2011 6:02 Comments || Top||

#2  No doubt they'll be picked up for cause soon enough, and in the meantime, room will be made for the next lot. *sigh*
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/14/2011 22:22 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Today in Thai carnage
Six people were killed and one was wounded on Friday in two separate attacks in Pattani province.

The first attack occurred in Mayo district as four gunmen in a pickup truck without license plate intercepted a vehicle of a local official and opened fire. The official and his driver were killed on the spot and a passerby was also killed. A 13-year-old student was injured by stray bullets.

Later, four gunmen on two motorcycles attacked a seafood processing business in Panareh district, killing the couple who owned the shop and a relative. The attackers then planted a bomb near the shop which was later defused by the police.

Defense volunteer gunned down

Suspected terrorists insurgents on Friday gunned down a defense volunteer who was on his way home after praying at a mosque in Narathiwat's Ba Joh district. Police who rushed to the scene found body of Abdullohman Sani, 40, near his motorcycle. He had been shot in the torso and back.

Police investigation showed that the victim was riding on his motorcycle when two suspected terrorists insurgents on a motorcycle fired at him. He just finished praying at a mosque near his home in Yatoh village.

Villager killed in Yala

Korde Balohsanor, 42, a resident Yala’s Bannang Sata district, was killed in an ambush on a local village road on Wednesday morning. Korde was riding a motorcycle heading to his home when attackers hiding in a roadside forest opened fire at him. He was hit several times and died on the spot.
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#1  Seems like the majority of victims here are muslim. To an extent, this is good in that they are killing their recruiting base and alienating themselves further.
Posted by: Rightwing || 10/14/2011 14:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Generally, Muslims who are killed are those who are considered to be cooperating with local authorities or the government. This includes not only policemen and informants, but also emergency workers, school teachers, people who attend or send their kids to government-run schools and the loved ones of anyone else "cooperating." The message to everyone is "we're going to destroy Thai authority and you'd better not stand in our way."
Posted by: ryuge || 10/14/2011 16:06 Comments || Top||

#3  This includes not only policemen and informants, but also emergency workers, school teachers, people who attend or send their kids to government-run schools and the loved ones of anyone else "cooperating."

Also anybody whose grandfather had a feud with mine. Anybody who ever dissed me. Anybody whose kid does better in school than mine. Unless, of course, they also joined up.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/14/2011 16:13 Comments || Top||


Indonesian terrorist gets eight years
An Indonesian terrorist militant yesterday was sentenced to eight years in prison for helping to set up a terrorist cell which plotted attacks on Western hotels and embassies in Jakarta. The sentence was less than the prosecution's demand for a 12-year term.

Abu Tholut is among more than 120 alleged members of "Tanzim Al Qaeda in Aceh" captured or killed since the authorities found their paramilitary training camp in Aceh province early last year.

Judge Musa Arif Aini told the court that the 50-year-old firearms expert helped set up the camp and obtain M-16 assault rifles and other weapons for the group. He said, "It has been proven legally and he is convincingly guilty of committing criminal and terrorist acts."

Tholut, also known as Mustofa, was arrested last December. Police said he went to Afghanistan in the late 1980's before returning to Asia to train with Jemaah Islamiah (JI).

Tholut became one of Indonesia's most-wanted fugitives after Noordin Top and Dulmatin - master bomb makers for JI - were killed in police raids last year. He was convicted for involvement in a 2001 bomb blast at a shopping plaza in central Jakarta that wounded six. He served five years of an eight-year sentence and was released for good behavior. But like so many other convicted extremists in Indonesia, he went back to his terrorist network after his release.
Posted by: ryuge || 10/14/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6464 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Not half enough.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/14/2011 0:31 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Obama censures Iran over 'plot'
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/14/2011 01:22 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6466 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The state department meanwhile said it had been in "direct contact" with Iran about the alleged plot.

I wonder why Hilarity didn't say that.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/14/2011 9:11 Comments || Top||

#2  This still doesn't pass the smell test.

Seemed that information gleaned from Mr. Arbabsiar was WAY too easy to get and suspiciously implicates Iran rather in-depth (not they're not deserving of some, just not likely for this).

Also, the explosive news releases and rapid finger-pointing by this administration is so out of character for them that it stinks.

As I wrote the other day, I believe this whole little escapade is a diversion by our Dear Leader®.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 10/14/2011 9:48 Comments || Top||

#3  In his usual, constipated teaching assistant, fashion?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/14/2011 12:30 Comments || Top||

#4  Alexrod and Jarrett, who are the Presidents brain, see this as a best case scenario to play Wag the Dog and take the heat off Holder while "rallying the people around a President in times of national crisis and looming war".
These people have no sense of the import of this kind of behavior outside of their political lenses, and will inch us ever closed to a catastrophy that lives and treasure, about which they care nothing, will be lost needlessly.
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 10/14/2011 14:01 Comments || Top||

#5  Mullah Richard Ditto that. Then the " This still doesn't pass the smell test". I believed O would dither the daylights out of this. Still I believe they have to do something to show that they have some leadership ability. They are looking really sad right now. They may bypass O since he is involved in more important matters of state. Day by day he looks weaker. He was up to the challenge but was found wanting.
Posted by: Dale || 10/14/2011 20:47 Comments || Top||

#6  His lips say censure but his hips say bow.
Posted by: Eohippus Phater7165 || 10/14/2011 20:56 Comments || Top||


Five dead in northwest Syria clashes: rights group
[Dawn] Troops clashed with armed dissidents and killed five people during a raid in northwest Syria on Thursday as anti-government protests flared across the country, activists said.

"The Syrian army backed by tanks and armoured troop carriers launched an assault this morning on the town of Banash, and festivities took place with gunnies who were apparently dissidents," the rights group said.

Five non-combatants were killed in Banash during the military operations, the Observatory said, adding that the army also launched an attack on Taum village, to the east.

"Several houses were partly destroyed and people were maimed... while the noise of heavy machineguns and kabooms could be heard in several parts of the town and ambulances seen racing through the streets," it said.

The Local Coordination Committees, which act as umbrella groups for protesters seeking to bring down President-for-Life Bashir Pencilneck al-Assad
Despoiler of Latakia...
, said soldiers and security forces also carried out a raid on Homs in central Syria.

Heavy gunfire could be heard.

Security forces have set up checkpoints and made more than 50 arrests during raids in Qusayr, near the city of Homs, the Observatory said.

Clashes also erupted in the flashpoint southern province of Daraa, where gunnies -- also apparent defectors -- killed one officer and eight soldiers, the Observatory said.

It said 25 civilians were jugged, including 12 members of the same family.

On Wednesday, thousands of Syrians who back the president rallied in the centre of Damascus
...The City of Jasmin is the oldest continuously-inhabited city in the world. It has not always been inhabited by the same set of fascisti...
to show support for the regime which has faced seven months of anti-Assad protests.

In apparent response to the loyalist rally, anti-regime protests erupted in Idlib in the northwest, in the port of Latakia, Homs, Deir Ezzor in the east, Daraa in the south and near Damascus, the Observatory said.

On Wednesday, a court in the capital freed on bail prominent dissident Walid al-Bunni, who was jugged in August, his lawyer Michel Shammas said.

"The Damascus court of appeals on Wednesday freed opposition figure Walid al-Bunni in exchange for a bail of 1,150 Syrian pounds (dollar 23).

He will be tried later for inciting (anti-regime) demonstrations and sectarianism," he said.

Bunni was jugged on August 6 along with his two sons, who were released shortly afterwards.

In 2000, Bunni was a prime mover of the short-lived "Damascus Spring" amid hopes for reform that followed Assad's rise to the presidency after the death of his father, Hafez.

Reforms were promised but never came, and according to the United Nations
...a formerly good idea gone bad...
the regime's crackdown on protests that began in mid-March has resulted in the deaths of more than 2,900 people.

Syrian authorities blame gangs of armed forces of Evil for the bloodshed.
Posted by: Fred || 10/14/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6462 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Syria


UK Urges Assad to Step Down
[An Nahar] Britannia's Foreign Office has again summoned the Syrian ambassador to London over the alleged intimidation of exiled activists, Foreign Secretary William Hague said Thursday, urging Syrian President-for-Life Bashir Pencilneck al-Assad
Despoiler of Latakia...
to step down.

It is the third time this year that Syrian ambassador Sami Khiyami has been summoned by the British government amid unrest in the Arab nation, while it also rescinded his invitation to Prince William's wedding in April.

"The Syrian ambassador was summoned to the Foreign Office this morning and told that any harassment or intimidation of Syrians in our country is unacceptable and will not be tolerated," Hague told parliament.

He urged al-Assad to "step aside now and allow others to take forward reform", adding that in contrast to Libya "appalling violence and repression continues in Syria."

Hague said the warning came a day after junior Foreign Office minister Alistair Burt had met members of the opposition Syrian National Council in Gay Paree, while Hague himself met Syrian activists in London at the end of September.

The Foreign Office first summoned Khiyami in May to protest at the crackdown against protesters by Assad's regime.

In June he was summoned again about media reports that a diplomat at the embassy had been intimidating Syrians in Britannia, and that members of their families in Syria had been threatened.

In April Britannia abruptly withdrew Khiyami's invitation to the royal wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton, following pressure from rights groups and the media.

Speaking after the Syrian ambassador attended the Foreign Office on Thursday, Burt said he was "deeply concerned by continued reports suggesting harassment and intimidation by Syrian diplomats in the UK.

"In summoning the Syrian ambassador today the UK made very clear that any such behavior will not be tolerated and must immediately stop.

"We will take appropriate action on evidence that such action is happening and continue to encourage anyone who has experienced harassment or intimidation to report this to the police.

"They continue to investigate allegations and we are working with them closely".

Posted by: Fred || 10/14/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6463 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Syria

#1  Preferably while you still Live, not necssary, but preferable.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/14/2011 0:34 Comments || Top||


Rantburg coffers are empty
The current balance in the 'Burg's hosting account is $2.17. Publishers' Clearinghouse hasn't shown up with any large checks, so if you've got spare change please feel free to kick in.

Brought forward from yesterday in case you missed your chance. Many thanks to those who've already kicked in.
Posted by: || 10/14/2011 11:40 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6487 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sent you a bit of dirty, filthy oil money.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Halliburton Lost Drill Bit Division || 10/13/2011 11:48 Comments || Top||

#2  I used a credit card, so I won't really have to pay until nobody will lend me any more money.

What? That's the New Way!

I mostly pay at the end of the month.
Posted by: Bobby || 10/13/2011 12:30 Comments || Top||

#3  As the artillery folks like to say, "On the Way!!!!...."
Posted by: Steve White || 10/13/2011 13:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Will send a check on payday (end of this week).
Posted by: Barbara || 10/13/2011 13:19 Comments || Top||

#5  A contribution via PayPal has been sent for Rantburg Bandwidth Maintenance™.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/13/2011 13:59 Comments || Top||

#6  Simoleons en route
Posted by: Jon Ericson || 10/13/2011 14:44 Comments || Top||

#7  will paypal you tonite
Posted by: Frank G || 10/13/2011 14:58 Comments || Top||

#8  Glad to help out!
Posted by: magpie || 10/13/2011 15:11 Comments || Top||

#9  Just donated for the first time after years of reading. I feel liberated!
Posted by: Clavimble Sproing8397 || 10/13/2011 15:20 Comments || Top||

#10  I like the way Amazon (or whoever) changed their interface so I can make more than a $10 payment. Hey, there is still plenty to rant about.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 10/13/2011 15:34 Comments || Top||

#11  Inbound via snail mail.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/13/2011 15:52 Comments || Top||

#12  Would somebody drop me a snail mail addy to an auxiliary email of mine at:

scrumpdillyish at australia dot edu

So I can post a little money order goodness?
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/13/2011 16:04 Comments || Top||

#13  Will send a few bucks.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/13/2011 16:21 Comments || Top||

#14  "Fire for effect"

On the way.
Posted by: mojo || 10/13/2011 16:56 Comments || Top||

#15  Serious, could someone please send me a mailing address for Fred at the previous email address?
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/13/2011 18:24 Comments || Top||

#16  "Serious, could someone please send me a mailing address for Fred at the previous email address?"

'Moose, try the link for "e-mail me" in the yellow box on the right-hand side, near the top. That should get you to Fred.
Posted by: Barbara || 10/13/2011 18:38 Comments || Top||

#17  Troll cleanup on Aisle 16 thru God knows what.
Posted by: Barbara || 10/13/2011 18:40 Comments || Top||

#18  Dang - y'all are quick! Thanks.
Posted by: Barbara || 10/13/2011 18:40 Comments || Top||

#19  *Sigh.* Now it starts on Aisle 19. :-(
Posted by: Barbara || 10/13/2011 18:45 Comments || Top||

#20  Helps to have the console when the little f*cker hits!
Posted by: badanov || 10/13/2011 18:45 Comments || Top||

#21  Aaaaannnd it's gone again. I'll shut up - y'all are obviously way ahead of me.

Thanks, mods.
Posted by: Barbara || 10/13/2011 18:46 Comments || Top||

#22  Good, bad, Bad's the guy with root.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 10/13/2011 19:17 Comments || Top||

#23  Hey, JUSTICE. When you kiss your mother can you still taste my dick?
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/13/2011 19:22 Comments || Top||

#24  PCH hasn't been by here lately either, Fred.

Kicked in a few (regretfully not the troll-boy's teeth).
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 10/13/2011 19:32 Comments || Top||

#25  Heh. I guess you can...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/13/2011 19:41 Comments || Top||

#26  Sent. Thanks for being here.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 10/13/2011 20:35 Comments || Top||

#27  Done. Fred and the Mods - thanks for all you do
Posted by: Frank G || 10/13/2011 20:40 Comments || Top||

#28  Sent. Thanks Fred & Co.!
Posted by: Free Radical || 10/13/2011 21:59 Comments || Top||

#29  Sent my regular backhander by Amazon- could never get Paypal to work.
Posted by: Grunter || 10/13/2011 22:45 Comments || Top||

#30  It might be worth considering planning this. That way we know to kick in before the piggy bank is empty. I do not know if this is acceptable to you Fred, but it is not right for you to run out.

Maybe just a number posted on the main page? A running balance.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 10/14/2011 11:12 Comments || Top||

#31  Sent mine out last night.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/14/2011 11:24 Comments || Top||

#32  Just sent. Many thanks for all your genius and hard work, Fred and mods!
Posted by: Ptah || 10/14/2011 11:38 Comments || Top||

#33  Hellfish kicked in a couple of bucks.
Posted by: Hellfish || 10/14/2011 12:20 Comments || Top||

#34  I kicked in some yesterday but if you have any left over don't forget me.
Posted by: Dale || 10/14/2011 15:01 Comments || Top||

#35  I sent an email to Fred, but so far nothing yet. I will even send it to a mod, if they will forward it. Send me an email with a mailing address.

scrumpdillyish at australia dot edu
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/14/2011 16:29 Comments || Top||

#36  Check's written, Fred. Will go in the mail tomorrow with the other bills.

It's not enough.
Posted by: Barbara || 10/14/2011 17:34 Comments || Top||

#37  Anonymoose, check your email.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/14/2011 17:53 Comments || Top||

#38  I'll kick it on over tonight after I get home.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/14/2011 18:13 Comments || Top||

#39  tw: Outgoing via USPS.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/14/2011 18:44 Comments || Top||

#40  Thank you, Anonymoose. And to the rest of you, as well.

 Just donated for the first time after years of reading. I feel liberated!

Congratulations on your liberation, Clavimble Sproing8397! :-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/14/2011 20:29 Comments || Top||

#41  Amazon!
Posted by: Ralphs son Johnnie || 10/14/2011 22:33 Comments || Top||



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Fri 2011-10-07
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