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Translations and Weapons Technical Terms
by Chris Covert
Sit up straight, y'all! Rantburg U. is now in session.
I just noticed in later versions of the Juarez Horizontes Sur massacre last Friday night a brief accounting of the spent weapons shells the police found at the scene of the crime.

Those caps, as the Mexican term translates, include ammunition for the AR-15 and AK-47 assault rifle,which are the two most common rifles used in the Mexican Drug War. Also found were 5.7mm spent cartridges, which Mexican press routinely call "cop killer" munitions.

With the August 9th robbery of a Chihuahua state police armory of 40 German made G-36 5.56mm assault rifles plus ammunition, a change in terms are probably in order, especially as they apply to the Mexican state of Chihuahua.

A similar change is probably in order for shootings committed with weapons using 5.7mm cartridges as well. As I understand it 5.7mm is used in the P-90 submachine gun by Mexican Special Forces and by Mexican Naval Special forces as well as is use with the Policia Federal, as is the 5.7mm FN pistol,the same weapon used by Major Hassan in Fort Hood terrorist attack a few months ago.

In cases which 9mm spent shells are found I try to as much as the facts permit me to refer to them as 9mm weapons unless the Mexican press writes the weapon used was a pistol, which it will in those cases where witnesses will talk to the press. 9x19mm ammunition is used by a wide array of pistols and in some submachine guns found in Mexican drug crimes, and because of that 9mm weapons means they found a 9x19mm spent cartridge casing at the scene and that is all.

The 7.62x39mm, as far as I know is a cartridge used only by the AK-47 assault rifle and its variants, so anytime those are found I will continue to refer to those as AK-47 assault rifles being used in a crime.

With the .223 caliber, it becomes murky. I never read about 5.56mm cartridges instead of .223, and that matters, because putting 5.56mm rounds through a .223 barrel is not advisable. Almost every crime scene in which a .223 caliber shell is found is referred to as an AR-15 assault rifle, which is a reasonable assumption.

The robbery of the G-35 5.56mm rifles changes things somewhat. One of the rifles were found last week in an abduction case by Mexican Federal agents, and I suspect more will be found before too long, as they are sold to Mexican criminals.

So as much as I can I will refer to those weapons as 5.56mm assault rifles instead of AR-15, since I can find no instances of a pistol using that class of rounds.

One last item: grenades.

I have found two classes of grenades used in Mexican Drug crimes, the hand grenade and the 40mm grenade. Those are bright lines to be sure, but the means of delivery is not.

Under the barrel launchers for the 40mm grenades (M203) for the 5.56mm assault rifles are not very common in Mexico, and I suspect the ones Mexican criminals get are either pilfered from Mexican Army armories or they are imported/stolen from other places. The old venerable M-79 grenade launcher is still is use in police forces worldwide, uncluding Latin American police agencies, as is the HK69 unde the barrel and independent system.

I have read reports in which 40mm grenades were fired from launchers, but without any specifics as to the type of launcher. It could be from any one of those systems.
Posted by: badanov || 10/25/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Badanov, the Kel-Tec PLR-16 pistol fires the 5.56 mm round. JFIP.
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 10/25/2010 6:45 Comments || Top||

#2  I never read about 5.56mm cartridges instead of .223, and that matters, because putting 5.56mm rounds through a .223 barrel is not advisable.

I always thought 5.56mm and .223 were synonyms. Any comments?

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al || 10/25/2010 11:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Ruger's Mini 30 shoots 7.62x39
Posted by: Alistaire Hupish7825 || 10/25/2010 11:32 Comments || Top||

#4  The 5.56 is a more powerful round and there is a slight shape difference that requires a specifically chambered 5.56 barrel to shoot 5.56. You can shoot .223 in a 5.56 chamber but generally should not shoot 5.56 in a .223 chamber.
Posted by: Hellfish || 10/25/2010 12:20 Comments || Top||

#5  Actually Hellfish, IIRC, the 5.56 NATO cartridge and the .223 Winc are identical in outward shape. You are correct in that the 5.56 has a higher powder charge making them dangerous in barrels rated for .223 only. 9 out of 10 times they work correctly but you may get disastrous result if you have a critical mis-fire or even a FTE.

I defer to more experienced Rantburgers however.
Posted by: Warthog || 10/25/2010 15:57 Comments || Top||

#6  Is this the same with the NATO 7.62 and the .308 Win rounds? I've always been told they are interchangeable.
Posted by: Alan Cramer || 10/25/2010 19:09 Comments || Top||

#7  7.62x51mm AKA 7.62 NATO is NOT the same as .308 Winchester. The .308 has a much higher permissible chamber pressure than the 7.62 NATO and is in fact dangerous to shoot in a 7.62 NATO rifle. However, 7.62 NATO can safely be shot from a .308 rifle.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 10/25/2010 20:43 Comments || Top||

#8  The following website has a very good explanation of the differences : http://www.303british.com/id36.html.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 10/25/2010 21:42 Comments || Top||


Economy
Bankers derived 'erotic thrill from credit crunch'
Bankers derived an erotic thrill from the losses suffered during the credit crunch, according to a new academic study.
Posted by: tipper || 10/25/2010 15:08 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It is probably far more mundane. It's long been noted that the brains of gamblers are stimulated far more when they lose than when they win.

But I doubt that bankers would appreciate being compared to some ignorant trailer park po'bucker pulling on the lever of a quarter slot machine.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/25/2010 15:27 Comments || Top||

#2  I fail to see how banksters could get an erotic thrill from collapsing their own institutions. Now on the other hand, when they total up the proceeds from the bets they made on the short side...well then, who the hell needs little blue pills?
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) || 10/25/2010 16:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Glad someone had a good time.
Posted by: Iblis || 10/25/2010 17:19 Comments || Top||

#4  When you see something completely wrong like this The bankers who brought the global economy to its knees two years ago may have enjoyed the sensation of losing hundreds of billions of pounds and plunging the world into recession, according to Paul Crosthwaite of Cardiff University. you know the rest of the article is just as likely to be bunkum.

The decision to mess up the economy was made by the regulators who wanted as much credit as possible to cover over the cracks (money velocity problems) caused by their taxation of earnings.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/25/2010 17:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Beat me, hurt me, make me short Yuan futures! Ummmm .... no
Posted by: DMFD || 10/25/2010 18:57 Comments || Top||

#6  Banksters didn't lose money in the collapse. You have to understand that only we lost money. It's the same thrill that Tony Montana gets when he hoses down his rivals with an AK-47. The same thrill a wolf gets when it rips out the throat of a sheep.
Posted by: gromky || 10/25/2010 20:03 Comments || Top||

#7  what a crock. Only an academic could get paid for such an incredibly stupid "study". Sigh.

Like Gromky said the banksters didn't lose the money, they made it when the packaged and sold the loans. They weren't left holding the bag. But then one would not expect an academic to have such a deep (scoff) level of insight into the crisis.

I suppose on some level, the young buck banksters should have known it was unsustainable and that their jobs could be lost when it all came tumbling down. But that was tomorrow and they were living high for today.

Whatever we paid in taxes for this study was too much. Can we get a refund?
Posted by: Martini || 10/25/2010 21:28 Comments || Top||


San Francisco retirement costs for employees only grew 66,733 percent. in the past 10 years
This is not a conspiracy but, rather, a mathematical certainty. It's also not a surprise. Every San Francisco government official who can do math has known about this calamity for years.

This isn't a uniquely San Franciscan problem. Cities and states across the country are facing a pension and health care meltdown. In fact, compared to many retirement systems nationwide, San Francisco's has been well run. There's no rampant corruption (cough, cough, Bell), and it wasn't spectacularly mismanaged (Achoo! San Diego). Many retirement systems would gladly trade places with this city's.

But that's because, given the chance, those other cities would actually try to solve the problem. What's uniquely San Franciscan about our benefits crisis is that we aren't trying. San Francisco has known about this looming crisis for a decade — and gone out of its way to make things worse.

Want to see the complete list of San Francisco employees whose pensions are over $75,000 (all 2,384 of them!)?
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 10/25/2010 02:23 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Damn. I should have left my retirement in back in '78. I'd be a millionaire.
Posted by: Wheager Hatfield2132 || 10/25/2010 12:48 Comments || Top||

#2  No problem. We'll just up taxes 66,740 percent.

Problem solved. Next!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/25/2010 14:43 Comments || Top||

#3  ANd iff one believes that US-DEBT-TO-GDP-RATIO is now 93% as a number of MSM-Net Analysts claim, + no longer the official 83%, SAN FRAN HAS A MERE/PALTRY 7.0% LEFT OF DEBT EXPANSION VIA $$$ SPENDING To REACH THE MAGICAL 100%.

Or 17% left to reach the magical 110%, becuasde nothing says "SUCCESS" THAN BEING 110.0%-N-HIGHER IN DEBT + RIGHTEOUS BANKRUPTCY.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/25/2010 19:08 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
The Day Cliff and Trev, Met Bill and Bernie
My friend Cliff Kincaid of America's Survival and yours truly, Trevor Loudon went along to the Green Fest in the Washington DC Convention Center yesterday.

Cliff wanted to challenge two of the Fest's Keynote speakers, former Weather Underground terrorists, turned Obama enablers, turned Green activists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.
Posted by: tipper || 10/25/2010 08:14 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bill and Bernie still have the same terrorist mentality as when they were dangerous narcissistic adolescents. Can we say still $hit for brains after all these years.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/25/2010 11:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Leftism = Narcissism.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/25/2010 12:17 Comments || Top||

#3  it also pisses off lefties to no end when I suggest that their side of the aisle suffers from a twisted messianic complex...tying anything religous to leftys makes them go apoplectic...
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 10/25/2010 12:51 Comments || Top||



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Two weeks of WOT
Mon 2010-10-25
  22 die in battle for Mogadishu
Sun 2010-10-24
  Iran 'handing cash to Karzai's chief of staff for influence in Afghanistan'
Sat 2010-10-23
  4 Boomers In Burkas Attack UN In Herat
Fri 2010-10-22
  Mistrial for Wilders
Thu 2010-10-21
  Bomb on bus in Philippines kills seven
Wed 2010-10-20
  Four convicted over NY bomb plot
Tue 2010-10-19
  Somali government seizes Bulo Hawo town from al-Shabab
Mon 2010-10-18
  Merkel: German multiculturalism failed
Sun 2010-10-17
  German terrorist gets three year sentence
Sat 2010-10-16
  Nine militants killed in drone attacks in N. Waziristan
Fri 2010-10-15
  Attack on Iraqi politician kills four
Thu 2010-10-14
  Four drone strikes kill 11 in N Waziristan
Wed 2010-10-13
  Tamaulipas: 10 Die in Gang Firefight
Tue 2010-10-12
  15 killed in clashes in Mogadishu
Mon 2010-10-11
  Dronezap waxes eight in North Wazoo


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