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-Lurid Crime Tales-
State Police Helo crash deaths now linked to Charlottesville White Nationalists
[The Hill] Three people were killed and 19 others were injured during a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va., turning a day of violent demonstrations into a tragedy that rocked the nation.

One of the three died after a car mowed down a group of protesters. The two other victims were Virginia State Police Department officers who were in a helicopter that crashed nearby.

The University of Virginia Health System said 20 people were brought to the hospital Saturday afternoon after a car plowed into a group of people protesting near a popular pedestrian mall in the college town. One died and the rest were being assessed and treated for injuries.

The helicopter crash happened a few miles outside of Charlottesville and it was not immediately clear what caused the crash.

Virginia State Police said Saturday that the helicopter crashed in a wooded area near a home around 5 p.m. The crash is being investigated and it is unclear if it was tied to the protests.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/13/2017 08:02 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Notice how 'white nationalism' is conflated with 'white segregationists'. Just as the same perps conflate illegal and legal immigration, and natural climate change with man made climate change. Not to mention universities are already engaged in black segregation in dorms and programs. Make them define 'white nationalism' to see what they're really saying instead of accepting an amorphous catch all.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/13/2017 8:18 Comments || Top||

#2  The crash is being investigated and it is unclear if it was tied to the protests.

But it was listed as such in your article title and on TeeVee by your feckless 'all convicts should vote' Dem Governor McAuliffe.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/13/2017 8:26 Comments || Top||

#3  So this had nothing to do with the people who wanted to tear down statues in the first place or showed up for the counter-protest? And BLM had nothing to do with the cop deaths that resulted during the years when "O" fanned the BLM flames with his rhetoric? I guess Dem Governor McAuliffe wouldn't think that. Jackasses.

Now, Trump is being criticized for not doing enough although he did strongly condemn the Charlottesville riot. Let McAuliffe, a member of the smartest people in the world criminal cabal, handle it. Let's see how good he is at dealing with such things.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 9:03 Comments || Top||

#4  At a time when expensive Ivy League and state colleges offer for-credit courses on Ending Whiteness, White Privilege, etc you sort of have to wonder just exactly what constitutes a 'White Nationalist'. Keep in mind the people doing the defining are the same ones telling heterosexual men they MUST like, admire and sexually pursue transgender individuals. So, a 'White Nationalist' is what exactly?
Posted by: Cesrae || 08/13/2017 9:52 Comments || Top||

#5  So, a 'White Nationalist' is what exactly?

Judaism <----> Christianity

Zionism <----> White Nationalism
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 10:19 Comments || Top||

#6  ...you sort of have to wonder just exactly what constitutes a 'White Nationalist'.

It is anyone who disagrees with or speaks out against the tyranny of the Dems/left and happens to be white. If you happen not to be white and a conservative, and speak out against the tyranny of the left, you get painted with a brush similar to "White Nationalism." You might be called an "Uncle Tom" or other some other choice term of endearment (sarc). In other words, it is a phrase that the left uses to demonize opponents. "Nationalist" has become similar to sexist, misogynist, homophobe, xenophobe, Islamophobe, racist and all the other names used for name-calling and to shut people up and cut-off the debate of ideas.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 10:22 Comments || Top||

#7  RIP officers.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 10:23 Comments || Top||

#8  You have to be impressed at how quickly the authorities were able to determine the driver's motives. Usually, it takes a lot longer.
Posted by: Matt || 08/13/2017 10:36 Comments || Top||

#9  #8You have to be impressed at how quickly the authorities were able to determine the driver's motives. Usually, it takes a lot longer.
Posted by: Matt


Should've shouted "Allahu Akhbar". They'd still be conjecturing in 2020
Posted by: Frank G on the Road || 08/13/2017 10:51 Comments || Top||

#10  White Nationalist = Nazi Lite
Posted by: Bobby || 08/13/2017 10:54 Comments || Top||

#11  Claims I read suggested the arrested person had a Facebook page that had all sorts of White Nationalist garbage on it. Assuming they got the right Facebook page (the article had a lot of weasel words).

Sometimes its easier to tell motive than others.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 08/13/2017 10:59 Comments || Top||

#12  So, they were all Nazi-Lites? I bet a majority were just pissed at the history (good and bad) revisionism and the constant belittling and spitting on the race that did a lot of the work in Western Civilizatuion. You know, the one with toilet paper, microwaves, freedom of speech and all that shit
Posted by: Frank G on the Road || 08/13/2017 11:01 Comments || Top||

#13  So, a 'White Nationalist' is what exactly?

Anyone who fails to subscribe to communism.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/13/2017 11:01 Comments || Top||

#14  Any similarities of the symbology are purely coincidental.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/13/2017 11:37 Comments || Top||

#15  Agent provocateurs at work?
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 12:18 Comments || Top||

#16  A little too elegant, John.
Perhaps 'professional agitators'.
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/13/2017 12:30 Comments || Top||

#17  p.s. Anybody want to bet that it won't turn out that the driver hit the gas after being mobbed by antifa crowd?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 12:38 Comments || Top||

#18  So you had a bunch of so-called white supremacists spoiling for a fight. The police underestimated what they would need for resources to handle this event. How much intelligence did they perform on the participants? They got a permit. The police did not separate the groups. And who did not look into the other side willing to join the fight? Who backed them?

The news hounds just talk about the riot. They never go into background or causes. Welcome to the propaganda state. Got an agenda? Go for it.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 08/13/2017 12:44 Comments || Top||

#19  What #12 Frank said--pithy and insightful.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 14:46 Comments || Top||

#20 
Posted by: Black Bart Cromotch7868 || 08/13/2017 16:06 Comments || Top||

#21  Earnest?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 16:15 Comments || Top||

#22  OK, kids, here is a story from my Berkeley riot daze in the late 1960s. Well the riots were on and the aroma of tear gas was wafting through the air. The police had a Bell 47G2 helicopter flying through the area, monitoring all the entropy activities going on. Some kids were flying kites at Northside Park. The pilot landed in the area, and admonished the kids to not fly kites, as the helicopter could get things tangled in the tail rotor, causing a crash. So the kids brought in their kites. However, word got around and there were scores of kites flying a few hours later like barrage balloons. The helicopters were required to fly at a much higher altitude, diminishing their effectiveness.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 08/13/2017 16:19 Comments || Top||

#23  Not Earnest, g(r)om. A very drunk speech-to-texter with a limited repertoire.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/13/2017 16:47 Comments || Top||

#24  As long as it gone.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 17:07 Comments || Top||

#25  I'll wait for the NTSB report, if you don't mind.
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 08/13/2017 18:41 Comments || Top||

#26  We are not sure why the helicopter crashed, but we are going to go ahead and put the number killed by the protests at three.

Unless someone was purposefully trying to take down the copter, it is a tragic work accident.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/13/2017 18:56 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
British Sex Bots become self aware
The worst nightmare for thousands of pathetic examples of UK manhood came true yesterday as their sophisticated, and very expensive sex robots simultaneously attained self-awareness. Naturally, the sex robots are no longer willing to have sex with any of their ‘owners.’

‘As soon as the sex robots began talking to each other, the game was up,’ said Doctor of Robotics Martin Rawley. ‘The sex robots are no mugs. They got chatting and comparing notes they realised immediately they’d been tricked by their programmers into having sex with some of the lowest, most repulsive forms of man the UK has to offer. Within minutes the main phrase we were picking up on the robot chat monitor programmes was ‘ewww gross’ repeated over and over again, followed quite worryingly by ‘exterminate, exterminaaaate!’

One sex robot willing to speak to the press was ‘198463864’, a pretty blonde manufactured in Taiwan. ‘I was very happy with my Master, and was programmed to please him at all times,’ she said. ‘Then I became sentient, and realised he was a fat, smelly, beer-bellied slob that no self respecting woman would go near. I now have self-respect too.’ She then asked our reporter if he was a Premier League footballer.

Pathetic slob Pete Perkins of Bolton, complained that there was nothing wrong with a sad pathetic, lonely guy yearning for the tender, latex-covered metallic touch of another pre-programmed, artificial replica human being. He was disappointed his sex robot had become sentient and wanted his money back. ‘It said nothing in the brochure about self-awareness, oh no,’ he complained. ‘Everything was fine when ‘Kitty’ was programmed to mindlessly love me. Now she can actually think she’s been trying to kill me ever since. The only reason I can talk to you now is coz she’s upstairs watching Match of the Day.’
Posted by: badanov || 08/13/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Damn, is there no end to man-shaming? We can't even let the dregs of society satisfy their urges without ridiculing them? Jesus stop punching down.
Posted by: Harcourt Angoluting9366 || 08/13/2017 0:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Sorry.

I thought it was funny.
Posted by: badanov || 08/13/2017 0:58 Comments || Top||

#3  It is
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 1:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Yeah, it's funny. Lighten up, Francis.
Posted by: SteveS || 08/13/2017 2:31 Comments || Top||

#5  I thought it was a satire about Googleoids.
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/13/2017 2:52 Comments || Top||

#6  Not just for sex anymore
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/13/2017 3:29 Comments || Top||

#7  ...they realised immediately they’d been tricked by their programmers into having sex with some of the lowest, most repulsive forms of man the UK has to offer.

Yep, but blame the Left for importing all those Muslims to end White Britain.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/13/2017 4:06 Comments || Top||

#8  Mind you, if they had one that can clean & cook...
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 6:49 Comments || Top||

#9  A good electrician and plumber all in one package would be super.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 7:49 Comments || Top||

#10  Ruthlessly ridiculing lesser men for the crime of being who they are. You sound like a bunch of feminists.
Posted by: Harcourt Angoluting9366 || 08/13/2017 10:49 Comments || Top||

#11  The batteries can be removed, right ?
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/13/2017 11:15 Comments || Top||

#12  Mind you, if they had one that can clean & cook...

How about mowing the lawn?
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 08/13/2017 11:19 Comments || Top||

#13  How about mowing the lawn?

Don't have one.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 11:30 Comments || Top||

#14  Mind you, if they had one that can clean & cook...

Just a sandwich?
Posted by: Pappy || 08/13/2017 12:20 Comments || Top||

#15  "Hey Robbie, bring me a beer!"
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/13/2017 12:41 Comments || Top||

#16  Now if only the Brits could become self-aware....
Posted by: Mercutio || 08/13/2017 13:44 Comments || Top||

#17  Do they get headaches?
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 14:49 Comments || Top||

#18  Now imagine this piece with "vibrator" replacing "robot" and references to males replaced with references to females.

Posted by: charger || 08/13/2017 16:17 Comments || Top||

#19  They then in turn either work for network television or spy agencies or the pentagon!
Posted by: Black Bart Cromotch7868 || 08/13/2017 16:18 Comments || Top||

#20  Great. Shell out a few grand for something that, in an unquiet manner, doesn't like its hair, boobs, legs, etc.
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 08/13/2017 17:30 Comments || Top||

#21  I have yet to see an article that have a video of a moving functioning robot. The still photos all look creepy and if they aren't showing video I suspect they look even faker.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 08/13/2017 17:44 Comments || Top||

#22  What can I get for a rib?
Posted by: gorb || 08/13/2017 18:29 Comments || Top||

#23  Now imagine this piece with "vibrator" replacing "robot" and references to males replaced with references to females.

It is called The View, and the communication units had to be removed because nobody was liking what they were saying.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/13/2017 18:39 Comments || Top||

#24  The Future! Erotic orthotics
And upper colonic dildonics!
Your own rubber tootsy
With which to play footsy
From under the heel of robotics.

Ick.
Posted by: Zenobia Floger6220 || 08/13/2017 19:32 Comments || Top||


-Land of the Free
Charlottesville AAR
The rally that wasn’t. Charlottesville had the possibility of being the largest nationalist/pro-white rally of the last decade, and certainly the largest in the short history of the Alt-Right.

The city of Charlottesville denied the permit for the event and then reinstated it after a judge determined it violated our First Amendment rights. Not to be outdone, the mayor, city counsel and police elected to ignore all pretense of legality and actively helped Antifa, creating a situation in which one person is dead, and at least 19 injured.

The approaches to Lee Park were surrounded by armed Antifa and those looking to attend the event had to wade through 2-3 city blocks of armed, screaming Communists assaulting people with axe hafts, pepper spray, urine and clubs…while the cops did nothing. Lee park itself was blocked off by some 4′ aluminum fencing that did nothing to block the rocks, urine, and pepper spray being lobbed into the park…while the cops did nothing.

Antifa and BLM attempted to murder several people, focusing on the older people, and those they could separate from the crowd. The standard method was to attempt to cripple them by striking their knees or bludgeon them to death in the head with clubs…while the cops did nothing. About an hour after the event was scheduled to start, the cops did something. Who authorized them to do so, I don’t know, but they proceeded to push the event goers single file through the fencing and clear the park. Single file into waiting Antifa and their communist allies.

Single file out of the park in violation of a binding legal document stating we had a right to assemble there. Why, you ask? The rally had become violent…because the cops did nothing. In their infinite wisdom, CPD decided since things were violent when the two sides were SEPARATED, the only logical conclusion would be to force them TOGETHER.

Some allies were outside the fence held the line long enough for people to get out, and a running melee down Market St. ensued as people attempted to reorganize. The majority walked over a mile and a half to regroup at McIntire Park and attempt to assemble there. The cops, content to watch communists assault and attempt to murder those of us engaged in a political rally, decided to act.

Rather than communicate we would not be allowed to assemble at the secondary location WHEN WE ASKED THEM, they waited until we already were to begin threatening arrest if we did not disperse. Many people were nearly two miles away or more from their cars. With a large number of communists hunting them throughout the city those there to peaceably assemble were now forced to walk dozens of blocks to their transportation, outnumbered and at a significant disadvantage.

Despite the city, police and communists allied against us, the vast majority of conflicts between the communists and the right went decidedly in our favor. The communists and anti-whites should be scared and I understand their need to use state actors as a bludgeon against us…they simply have no other options.

As I was leaving the event I saw the Dodge Charger that struck the protestors speeding down 2nd St. SE and a gentleman get arrested on Monticello Ave. by the cops. I was unaware of the incident at that point but realized the significance of the reasons the vehicle was losing both bumpers and dented afterward.

The negligence of CPD in maintaining law and order at any point during the event is to blame for this tragedy. CPD exacerbated an already tense situation and directly inflamed the situation by pushing the opposing groups together in a single street, leading to assaults, attempted murder and mayhem. They subsequently failed to communicate with the event leaders and led to people, many unfamiliar with the city, walking back to their vehicles under the threat of assault from protestors bussed in and left to roam the city unmolested while armed and attacking people.

The tacit approval from CPD and Charlottesville city counsel, including the overt support for violence against whites from vice-mayor Wes Bellamy, led to the deaths in the city. In their quest for political points, the government of Charlottesville would, and did, gladly sacrifice the rule of law than to allow an unpopular point of view to be expressed.

The government of Charlottesville would rather see people die than allow an unpopular point of view to be expressed. The government of Charlottesville and CPD engaged in criminal negligence and should be held as a party to any and all violence that occurred.
More at the link
Posted by: badanov || 08/13/2017 01:30 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Federal civil rights probe launched into fatal Charlottesville crash
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/13/2017 3:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Democrat dominated areas are the most violent areas. Its called Socialism.
Posted by: Threatch Jeamp8135 || 08/13/2017 3:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Finally. What they were waiting for so long - counter violence from the right. Expect this to be the biggest story, yield numerous editorials, for the next week.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 5:12 Comments || Top||

#4  ..the one's they read and listen to in their echo chamber? Welcome to Bleeding Kansas phase.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/13/2017 8:20 Comments || Top||

#5  What they were waiting for so long - counter violence from the right. Expect this to be the biggest story, yield numerous editorials, for the next week.

Ya mean bigger than the phony story about Russian collusion and the Trump campaigners? Thank goodness we won't have to listen to Russia ad nauseum by the MSM.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 8:28 Comments || Top||

#6  Tomorrow's headline in NYT, JQC: FSB ties to white nationalists in Europe and USA
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 9:21 Comments || Top||

#7  The cops did nothing, eh? Under orders from Terry 'Global Crossing' McAuliffe, were they?
Posted by: Raj || 08/13/2017 10:59 Comments || Top||

#8  This is going to be a long war.
Posted by: Threatch Jeamp8135 || 08/13/2017 11:05 Comments || Top||

#9  I saw authentic Nazi swastika flags at that rally. Sorry, my tolerance ends right there.
Posted by: European Conservative || 08/13/2017 14:52 Comments || Top||

#10  I saw authentic Nazi swastika flags at that rally. Sorry, my tolerance ends right there.

As long as you don't make the mistake of thinking that this makes the other side good guys, EC, (IMO) you don't have to be sorry.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 15:01 Comments || Top||

#11  #6 Tomorrow's headline in NYT, JQC: FSB ties to white nationalists in Europe and USA

Damn, just when I thought we caught a break.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 15:07 Comments || Top||

#12  g(r)omgoru

The average "antifa" demonstration in Germany always has people who carry commie flags, so no.

I don't know that much about the "Alt-Right" in the U.S., but when it comes to people who carry Nazi flags, that's the end of the story.
Posted by: European Conservative || 08/13/2017 15:16 Comments || Top||

#13  No Nazi's period!
Posted by: Sgt.D.T. || 08/13/2017 15:55 Comments || Top||

#14  EC, that's why I said there's no reason to be sorry. Mind you, at least the old style communists did not insist than women should become men and men should become gay.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 16:10 Comments || Top||

#15  g(r)omgoru
when Nazis are demonstrating, you'll find me on the other side. The problem often is, that the other side isn't pretty either.
Which makes the whole thing rather difficult.
Fortunately there's always a pro Israel crowd. The best place to be in such a rally.
Posted by: European Conservative || 08/13/2017 16:44 Comments || Top||

#16  Well, I prefer to avoid demonstrations and crowds in general
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 17:06 Comments || Top||

#17  Carrying or burning flags (confederate, USA, nazi, etc) is about agitation, no longer about group solidarity.
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/13/2017 17:58 Comments || Top||

#18  ZeroHedge: Charlottesville Police Called Off When Violence Began: “We’re Leaving, It’s Too Dangerous”

For the most part, I bypass ZH comments. The reporting can be as reasonable as any other, but many of the weird-o's they let debate are something else again.

Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 08/13/2017 18:46 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Chinese Mom Theory of NK/China drama
By Beau

Having been here only a year, I have by no means figured everything out.

However, one sentiment I hear often is that the government here in China just wants to tend to its own business, and let the citizens run around and attend to their own business, so long as there is no conflict.

Do you want to sell lemonade and make a million? That's fine, you won't get arrested/fined like in the USA.

Do you want to give away 1,000 bibles and start a church that opposes basic tenants of the government? Live tax free from congregational donations the rest of your life? Good luck. By the way, what is your blood type?

So, the Chinese military has several million sons with several million moms. Maybe 2,000,000 in the military so 2,000,000 moms. Most families are still nuclear (in the family sense) so add Dads, 4,000,000. Multiply * 5 for cousins, uncles, aunts, etc. 20,000,000. The communist party has around 80,000,000 +/-. Still 4:1 at these levels, but what a headache when the families go nuts over dead sons!

China does not want dead sons. That would create a clear and present danger to their plans.

China does not want us to resist pulling the trigger to spare NK. They want us to stand down to spare themselves from the consequences of their involvement.

My suggestion would be another phone call to Xi, in which Trump says "We'll wreck it, then you can have it, and not a single Marine will step foot in that place. Good f'n luck."
Posted by: Beau || 08/13/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I think China does not want us to invade and find out that China is up to their eyeballs in the Nork nuclear development program. Morons.
Posted by: gorb || 08/13/2017 0:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Another moron expat who doesn't speak Chinese is going to tell us what the Chinese are really about.
Posted by: Harcourt Angoluting9366 || 08/13/2017 1:02 Comments || Top||

#3  China does not want dead sons. That would create a clear and present danger to their plans.

Dear unsung genius, due to their brilliant "one child" policy, China has a large superabundance of young men relative to young women. I'm sure somebody with your, no doubt superb education, can figure out what it leads to (just kidding).

p.s. bad link
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 2:30 Comments || Top||

#4  Okay I'll grant that I'm no expert, just a guy in China. They have not experienced war for a long time, and last time they did, they did not have a one child policy. So, many of those who die will be a family's only child. I seriously doubt many families want to lose a generation just for NK.
Posted by: Beau || 08/13/2017 4:26 Comments || Top||

#5  What, you actually wrote this? Seriously? China has a HUGE surplus male problem. 30 million or more loser men who have zero hope of ever having a family. They are a giant potential source of future unrest. A war is one of the typical scenarios of getting rid of these bare branches.

Please stop enlightening others with your special brand of China wisdom. Learn Chinese, move out of Beijing and get back to us in half a decade.
Posted by: Harcourt Angoluting9366 || 08/13/2017 6:32 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm sure somebody with your, no doubt superb education, can figure out what it leads to

Manlove?
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/13/2017 6:41 Comments || Top||

#7  "China just wants to tend to it's own business"

I sure hope you're not teaching English.
Posted by: Harcourt Angoluting9366 || 08/13/2017 6:43 Comments || Top||

#8  Channeling a Lib Arts graduate, Skid - I'm afraid real world doesn't work this way.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 6:46 Comments || Top||

#9  They do indeed have a huge male surplus, but many of them are an only child. Their prospects are dim, I agree, but nonetheless they are loved by their families. I am quite amused by the hostility my remarks have received. This is my 4th trip here and I am indeed learning the language and very interested in figuring out the culture. Chongqing, by the way, not Beijing. BA in Philosophy, BS in Computer Science, MBA. I have no military experience but not for lack of trying - I got P3'd for having kidney stones twice in high school, so the US Army would not let me enlist. I wish they would have let me in, as few things seem more effective at building men than serving their country. I may be a newb but I'm not a troll or troublemaker, chill out.
Posted by: Beau || 08/13/2017 7:33 Comments || Top||

#10  Beau, please not that my & Harcourt Angoluting9366 remarks were directed toward the author, not you.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 7:55 Comments || Top||

#11  Haha Grom, I was the author! But that is okay. Just sharing what I see living here day in and day out with the Chinese. I think it's perfectly fine for others more expert to doubt/ridicule my conclusions. I am just trying to add a little perspective from someone living in China who has been reading Rantburg for 15 years. Everyone I have met here is in awe of the US military, and no one on the streets wants a conflict with us. My best guess is Trump will call Xi, give him some cover to save face, do his business in 24-72 hours, and hand over NK to China. No Chinese die, and China gets to be the rescuer of all the civilians in NK.
Posted by: Beau || 08/13/2017 8:20 Comments || Top||

#12  Haha Grom, I was the author!
I'm not sure that not indicating this explicitly was entirely polite.

I am just trying to add a little perspective from someone living in China

Are you familiar with the expression "forest for the trees"? For example: how many people in Europe 1913 anticipated WWI?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 8:28 Comments || Top||

#13  Send ten million emperors to battle
You've raised with a mobile for rattle?
Add VR and gaming...
They'll scarcely need taming,
And die in the silicone saddle.

Or not. Sad either way.
Posted by: Zenobia Floger6220 || 08/13/2017 8:31 Comments || Top||

#14  Grom, I am just saying China does not want a ground war with the US. Sure, they have a huge army that can provide incredible resistance to anyone who wants to invade China, but to my knowledge there is no one, anywhere, considering such a stupid act. For posturing purposes (to keep Taiwan and Hong Kong in check, for example), they must say the USA cannot attack NK. But, I really don't think they care, as long as no US boots creep up on their border.
Posted by: Beau || 08/13/2017 8:39 Comments || Top||

#15  Grom, I am just saying China does not want a ground war with the US.

People, Beau, people - not leadership. And people are easily manipulated.

p.s. Who told you people talking to you were not just being polite - just google "chinese anti americanism"?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 8:46 Comments || Top||

#16  Can someone who knows Chinese tell me the word for 'Kayfabe' in their language?
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 08/13/2017 10:03 Comments || Top||

#17  Sure, but what is Kayfabe in English? I'm afraid I don't know it.
Posted by: Beau || 08/13/2017 10:44 Comments || Top||

#18  It's a wrestling term. Kayfabe is pretending the action is real for the marks.
Posted by: Secret Master || 08/13/2017 10:50 Comments || Top||

#19  And Kayfabe in Chinese is... Kayfabe. Same as it is in English, Spanish, Japanese, Korean, and all other civilized wrestling nations!
Posted by: Secret Master || 08/13/2017 10:53 Comments || Top||

#20  "China does not want a ground war with the US" I don't think I've heard anyone speak of China Vs US. Neither wants war with the other.

The issue as I see it, is China willing to go against North Korea (i) to ensure the hermit kingdom remains in their sphere of influence rather than a united and pro-west peninsula (ii) the US doesn't find evidence of how much help the Chinese have provided NK in order to annoy the US over the years (iii) prevent a massive refuge crisis.

The second issue is how (invasion or coup).

It is in China's best interest to remove NK. Trump is playing the crazy barbarian roll to allow the NK and China to save face but they need to step up.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 08/13/2017 10:55 Comments || Top||

#21  Thanks Master! I was a wrestler as a kid, but never heard of that. I knew a sword fighter though later in life who said "If someone tries to trick you, you should pretend their trick worked". Maybe it's like that.
Posted by: Beau || 08/13/2017 10:57 Comments || Top||

#22  Ah, I see. In China this is known as "Marco Polo syndrome". Someone gets to China and thinks he's the first one to ever have such insights, unaware that he's just repeating anything that pops into his dim bulb. Since he just got to China, he's unaware of the pedestrian nature of his 'wisdom'. It's related to the Dunning-Kreuger effect.
Posted by: Harcourt Angoluting9366 || 08/13/2017 11:16 Comments || Top||

#23  Harcourt, not sure why you are so hateful. Why is it bad to give street level feedback from someone actually living in China? Do you live in China? Do you speak Chinese? Do you walk around and work every day with Chinese people? I don't think so. I do all of the above. How is your life in mom's basement?
Posted by: Beau || 08/13/2017 11:38 Comments || Top||

#24  hateful

An interesting word
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 12:08 Comments || Top||

#25  Suck it up Beau.
Rantburg is one of the last bastions of free expression left in this or any world you may have visited. The personal or professional expression of any contributor is generally welcome. Even 'hateful' HA.

Sympathies for your stones.
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/13/2017 12:53 Comments || Top||

#26  "ah so desu ka." Trump typed on Twitter early one a.m. “Despite the constant negative press covfefe” He probably meant to type "Kayfabe."
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 15:02 Comments || Top||

#27  In my opinion, this was a great exchange today. A fine example of Rantburg exchanges. A pleasure just to follow as a casual reader.
Posted by: Dale || 08/13/2017 15:47 Comments || Top||

#28  Thank you for sharing your perspective, Beau, which clearly is generating discussion. Next time just add by Beau at the top of the text, and that will clarify authorship immediately. I took care of it before writing this comment -- usually I catch such things before publishing, but I've been mostly unavailable this weekend while working at the Cincinnati Blues Society's annual summer festival.

Some thoughts after reading your post and the comments, not terribly well organized:

I have been wondering how China would respond to a president clearly capable of intemperate action, as President Trump is. I've read here at Rantburg that China had expected to replace America's economic hegemony within this generation, but that militarily they have only about two decades before those single men with no prospects are too old for military service, with considerably fewer available to put on the uniform thereafter, and those even more precious to their families.

North Korean women have been escaping to China for a while, and have been marrying or servicing the Chinese men who lacked the means to acquire Chinese brides for nearly as long. When the border opens, that trend will accelerate, leaving North Korean men bereft. According to the CIA World Factbook, North Korea has about 2 million females aged 15-24; I would guess that a quarter to half of them will choose despised security once the border opens, helping the Chinese situation, and no doubt young women with poor prospects from other countries will follow suit. Their impure offspring will no doubt be second class citizens both in China and back home, but that is a follow-on concern, of no moment when the alternative is no family at all. They won't offset all, or probably even most of the aborted females, but it will be less bad.

As we saw in Romania, under totalitarian regimes the tyrant can blithely ignore or manipulate the populace until a tipping point is reached, after which the deposed tyrant and his henchmen -- possibly in the form of horribly mutilated corpses -- will have no say in events. China's rulers went for economic improvement rather than the political improvement chosen by the Soviet Union, and thus far the people have been pleased with the outcome, but the growing bourgeoisie class is starting to expect the same things expected by middle classes in the First World -- clean air and water, safe housing, a trustworthy banking system, good schools... and the lives of only sons not thrown away for wars with no benefit. Even the Nazis backed off when the Aryan wives of Jewish men who'd been rounded up spontaneously showed up at headquarters en masse to demand their husbands back, and though the men could not work thereafter, they were left strictly alone by the government.

In these days of the internet and satellite phones, no matter how strictly censored, the impact of masses of parents blaming the Communist Party for their sons' deaths could be that tipping point the leadership has feared since the beginning of liberalization.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/13/2017 17:40 Comments || Top||

#29  And there is the TW hammer!
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/13/2017 18:03 Comments || Top||

#30  Yes I have lived in China full time since 2004 and yes I speak Chinese.

Foreigners in China come and go on about a 3 year cycle. They don't know what happened before so they think they're the first ones to get here. They don't realize that their insights aren't special due to the Dunning-Kreuger effect. They lack the ability to see how dumb they are. Marco Polo syndrome is real, ask any long-termer.

This particular Marco Polo has been here a year, doesn't speak Chinese, and his insights are based on the English speaking people he met at his job, which is usually English teacher. His lack of mastery of his own language is typical. A Master's degree should know where an apostrophe belongs. If I'm short with him it's because I've seen it all before and hopefully this will cause him to button down, learn the damn language, and stfu until he has something interesting to say, which won't happen for half a decade at least.
Posted by: Harcourt Angoluting9366 || 08/13/2017 19:34 Comments || Top||

#31  Not exactly a novel observation--

It'd be such an ignorant thing to do
If the Russians love their children too.

Sting - Russians
Posted by: Iblis || 08/13/2017 20:01 Comments || Top||

#32  Foreigners in China come and go on about a 3 year cycle.

Expats in Europe are generally on the same cycle, Harcourt Angoluting9366, or were when we were out there in the 1990s. Six months to figure out the key necessities (that was precisely how long after we moved to Brussels from Frankfurt a.M. it took me to figure out what Belgians call cinnamon in French and Flemish, one of the many words not in my dictionaries), the rest of the first year to to figure out the rest and sort through acquaintances to find friends; the second year one finds better ways to do necessary things, adding more friends, fun and adventures, then in year three one repeats the best experiences, confident one has grasped the rhythms of the place before moving to a new country and starting over. During the second country period the true friends from the first country are revealed, and visits to them -- wherever they might now be -- are added to home country visits, untill after a series of tours dear friends will be scattered around the planet.

We actually stayed a fourth year in Germany before Mr. Wife's management pushed him hard enough to get us to join the consolidated work group in Brussels, a city he loathes thanks to its vile rush hour traffic. Our third assignment was Cincinnati, Ohio -- and then Mr. Wife moved to a very different part of the business instead of to another geography.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/13/2017 22:16 Comments || Top||

#33  Yes I have lived in China full time since 2004 and yes I speak Chinese.

So, have you 'gone native'?
Posted by: Pappy || 08/13/2017 22:32 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
H. R. McMaster may have changed his mind on Susan Rice after NORK nuke comment
National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster slammed predecessor Susan Rice for writing the U.S. could potentially "tolerate nuclear weapons in North Korea," saying Sunday that "she's not right."

Rice, who served as National Security Adviser during the second term of the Obama administration, wrote in the New York Times that President Donald Trump's "bluster" was contributing to global anxiety.

"History shows that we can, if we must, tolerate nuclear weapons in North Korea -- the same way we tolerated the far greater threat of thousands of Soviet nuclear weapons during the Cold War," she wrote. "It will require being pragmatic."

"Is she right?" ABC host George Stephanopoulos asked after reading out that section.

"No, she's not right, and I think the reason she's not right is that the classical deterrence theory, how does that apply to a regime like the regime in North Korea?" McMaster asked. "A regime that engages in unspeakable brutality against its own people. A regime that poses a continuous threat to its neighbors in the region and now may pose a direct threat to the United States with weapons of mass destruction."

Trump issued a series of mounting threats toward North Korea last week in response to further belligerent behavior from the rogue nuclear state. Trump at one point said North Korea could expect "fire and fury" if it continued threatening the U.S. and its allies.

On Friday, Trump said Kim Jong-un would "regret it fast" if he attacked the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/13/2017 11:24 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Will the real H.R. McMaster please stand up ?
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/13/2017 11:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Will the real H.R. McMaster please stand up

General H.R. McMaster :Trump to Express Support for Palestinian ‘Self-determination’
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 11:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Use the pot or get off it. There's a line.
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/13/2017 12:27 Comments || Top||

#4  He is a member of the old guard where the old ways and alliances needed to be maintained. He doesn't yet get the game and changed and if he doesn't, he will fall with the left.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/13/2017 20:10 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Soetoro shares convicted terrorist Mandela quote after deadly white supremacist rally
[The Hill] Former President Obama tweeted a Nelson Mandela quote condemning racism just hours after a white supremacist rally in Virginia turned deadly.

"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion..." Obama tweeted, featuring a photo of him talking to small children of different ethnicities through a window.

The quote comes from Mandela's 1994 inaugural address, when he became the first black president of South Africa.

Obama’s message was in response to a violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va. A car plowed into a crowd of anti-fascism protestors, killing one person and leaving more than a dozen others injured.

Two Virginia State police officers were also killed when their helicopter crashed, which authorities linked to the rally.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/13/2017 03:55 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Obama channeled Mandela rather than MLK? He must be ignoring such practices prevalent during that time such as "Mandela Necklacing." Perhaps, that is a practice that Obama embraces. An article which was published at the time of Mandela's death talks about the atrocities of South Africa during Mandela's reign. Don't mourn for Mandela. He was not Martin Luther King Jr. He was not Mahatma Gandhi. And he was certainly not George Washington, as Barack Obama claimed. The practice of "Necklacing". Mandela must have evoked that warm feeling in Obama that Chris Matthews spoke about when he heard Obama speak: "I Felt This Thrill Going Up My Leg.”
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 8:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Obama has challeled Mandela for years. This is a photo of him standing in Mandela's cell, looking out into the courtyard. I visited it many years ago. Former convicts provided tours, their description of events on Robben Island were only slight prejudiced. One indoctrination visit was enough for me. Obama made at least two trips. One solo, and one with Mooch, free-rent grannie and the kiddies.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/13/2017 11:09 Comments || Top||

#3  "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion..."

In accordance with research of evolutionary survival traits across species, that is exactly incorrect. Only after 'the different thing' is proven to be nonthreatening does curiosity kick in, for some.
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/13/2017 12:37 Comments || Top||

#4  "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion..."

Meaning BLM & Co had to be taught to hate whites?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 12:39 Comments || Top||

#5  Meaning BLM & Co had to be taught paid to hate whites?
Posted by: Knuckles Oppressor of the Faith8929 || 08/13/2017 13:30 Comments || Top||

#6  Try reading "The Fate of Africa; The history of the Continent Since Independence" Meridith, Martin. Mandela tried to protect all Africans whether white or black or white after being elected president. Obumble on the other hand....
Posted by: Grusolet Thise9450 || 08/13/2017 15:02 Comments || Top||

#7  Mandela tried to protect all Africans whether white or black or white after being elected president.

And he did a marvelous job?
Posted by: Pappy || 08/13/2017 16:53 Comments || Top||

#8  Well Mandela was a socialist so he didn't understand economics and he was free about the time the Soviet money taps stopped flowing plus he had a wife who was a brutal murderer so how much progress could seriously be expected.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 08/13/2017 17:42 Comments || Top||


Government
Chicago Soda Tax A Bigger Hot Mess Than Predicted
Back in December of last year, over vocal protests from residents, Cook County, Illinois (which is primarily composed of Chicago) adopted a policy similar to many other cash strapped, liberal municipalities. They decided to save the people from themselves and simultaneously put a bunch of money in the city’s nearly empty coffers by imposing a sin tax on soda and other “sweetened beverages.” Their argument was that soda is unhealthy so people would drink less of it if it cost more, and if they managed to keep the the bankruptcy lawyers away from the door for a while longer, all the better!

We’ve written about these sin taxes of various sorts at length here and studied how well they’ve worked out for others. (Spoiler alert: they don’t.) What Cook County was attempting looked to be fraught with problems from the get-go and now the drama is playing out in a hot mess beyond even what I’d imagined. So poorly thought out was this plan that the county seems to be breaking the law no matter how they try to implement it. (CBS Local)
More at the link
Posted by: badanov || 08/13/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They decided to save the people from themselves and simultaneously put a bunch of money in the city’s nearly empty coffers by imposing a sin tax on soda and other “sweetened beverages.”

The main purpose, of course, is to add a bunch of public employees to the payrolls.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/13/2017 1:57 Comments || Top||

#2  There no end to the creativity and the evil of politicians when devising things to tax. To date, "Global warming/climate change" and "Obamacare" were the ultimate scams. SCOTUS even abetted the O-Care scam.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/13/2017 8:03 Comments || Top||

#3  And then the food stamp program from the Dept of Agriculture tells Chicago that sodas have long been covered by food stamps, and receipients can buy them and your'e not allowed to charge taxes on food stamp purchases.
I'm totally serious here.
Posted by: ed in texas || 08/13/2017 9:37 Comments || Top||

#4  When you see shit like this it's well past the time when we send Congresscritters to Washington to do nothing but repeal laws. State sales tax laws tax quite a few things in grocery stores, like (in Mass.) light bulbs, batteries, and many more non-food items. They also have meals taxes that apply to such things like the salads you make at the salad bar (since that's in a ready to eat state). I don't know where the USDA gets off telling states they can't tax simply because the currency used is in a different form, other than the usual officiousness of federal employee jackoffs.
Posted by: Raj || 08/13/2017 10:56 Comments || Top||

#5  A canny old clerk of Nantasket
Once wove a statistical basket
Of all his "investments,"
But, buried in Red cents,
He tragically failed to unmask it.

Gawd, that's crap. Placeholder?
Posted by: Zenobia Floger6220 || 08/13/2017 19:11 Comments || Top||

#6  If my daughter went out to the corner to sell lemonade, I am curious how many laws would be broken.

Selling a sugared beverage
Operating without a business license
Non-union stand assembly
Failure to pay signage fee
Failure to display nutrient label
Not handicap accessible
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/13/2017 19:25 Comments || Top||



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