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TSA halts all NY airport departures do to infected people showing up at each one.
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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Police in North Carolina find stolen trailer full of toilet paper
[FOXNEWS] With the American population fighting over a single precious roll of toilet paper amid the coronavirus
...the twenty first century equivalent of bubonic plague, only instead of killing off a third of the population of Europe it kills 3.4 percent of those who notice they have it. It seems to be fond of the elderly, especially Iranian politicians and holy men...
outbreak, police in North Carolina uncovered nearly 18,000 pounds of commercial bathroom paper products inside a stolen tractor-trailer on Wednesday.

Police said they aren't releasing the name of the driver because the topic of toilet paper is "fairly sensitive right now."

"After further investigation, it was determined the 53-foot Hyundai dry-van trailer was reported stolen locally and was being utilized to transport nearly 18,000 pounds of commercial bathroom paper products," the Guilford County Sheriff's Office said in a news release.

Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  the topic of toilet paper is "fairly sensitive right now."

So they let it go.
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:35 Comments || Top||

#2  In a tale of true crime muy romantico
An innocent hijo, Abednigo,
Betrayed by his Garmin,
Got caught pinching Charmin
While hauling papel higienico!
Posted by: Elmitle Ebbavilet1364 || 03/21/2020 1:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Jeff Foxworthy pointing out, "yall get tore up by that chili"
Posted by: Woodrow || 03/21/2020 8:05 Comments || Top||

#4  It's 2050, and "Hey, Fred! We finally used up that last roll of toilet paper Uncle Bob bought in 2020."
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 11:14 Comments || Top||


-Obits-
Kenny Rogers: Country music legend 'folds em' at age 81
[BBC] A family representative said he "passed away peacefully at home from natural causes".

Rogers topped pop and country charts during the 1970s and 1980s, and won three Grammy awards.

Known for his husky voice and ballads including The Gambler, Lucille and Coward Of The County, his career spanned more than six decades.

He once summed up his popularity by explaining that he believed his songs "say what every man wants to say and that every woman wants to hear".

After growing up in poverty on a federal housing estate in Houston, Texas, Rogers began recording with a string of bands, including Kenny Rogers and the First Edition, before launching his solo career in 1976.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/21/2020 07:59 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Gambler broke even.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/21/2020 8:38 Comments || Top||

#2  He once summed up his popularity by explaining that he believed his songs "say what every man wants to say and that every woman wants to hear".
Bravo! Well said. He will be missed.
Posted by: magpie || 03/21/2020 11:57 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
SVBIED attack...
[Twitter]
Posted by: 3dc || 03/21/2020 14:47 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


69-year-old Italian tourist, who had recovered from COVID-19, dies of cardiac arrest in Jaipur
[PUBLISH.TWITTER] Can't win for losing. Sfortuna, paisan.
Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Heart surgery tourism? It's big in India.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 0:26 Comments || Top||


Interpol arrests 121 criminals in 90 countries cashing in on coronavirus
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Kinda think an immediate on the spot execution is in order.
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh, wait.
That's for hoarders looters carpet bagers rapists child rapists mothers-in-law

Well, somebody should hang.
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Homegrown Uni-Party Coronacriminals

Both Burr and Loeffler are adamant they did not engage in insider trading, the buying or selling of stocks based on private or classified inside information. And two other senators — Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Jim Inhofe (R-OK) — who reported large trades around the same time also say the sales were unrelated to coronavirus.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/21/2020 6:48 Comments || Top||


Victoria’s Secret Launches Transgender, Plus-Sized Campaign
[BREITBART]
I can remember when they had a pretty good handle on the concept of "women's" underwear. Goodbye, Victoria.
Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Noooo!
Don't
ARGH....
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:36 Comments || Top||

#2  I can remember when they had a pretty good handle on the concept of "women's" underwear

I can remember when they had a pretty good handle on the concept of "woman".
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 3:39 Comments || Top||

#3  So, somewhere some dude named Victorious
At whom you may not look censorious
Is plying his halberd
On Mr. Prince Albert
In feminine scanties. Oh, glorious!
Posted by: Elmitle Ebbavilet1364 || 03/21/2020 4:44 Comments || Top||

#4  The chain went tits up after changing the basic lace designs. Expecting next, black latex facemask for fat crossdressers. That will work.
Posted by: Woodrow || 03/21/2020 7:51 Comments || Top||

#5  No pictures please.
Posted by: Mercutio || 03/21/2020 8:11 Comments || Top||

#6  I thought transgender were now women. Why would they need special underwear?
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/21/2020 8:46 Comments || Top||

#7  That's one link I *wont* follow...
Posted by: Photer Prince of the Trolls1673 || 03/21/2020 8:49 Comments || Top||

#8  You know every now and then when one of us says 'pics or GTFO'? I think we're all good here, thanks.
Posted by: Raj || 03/21/2020 9:12 Comments || Top||

#9 
Posted by: DarthVader || 03/21/2020 9:18 Comments || Top||

#10  Makes Christmas shopping easier; one less store to consider.
Posted by: USN,Ret. || 03/21/2020 11:05 Comments || Top||

#11  Didn't Wexner put it on the block?
Posted by: Lex || 03/21/2020 11:11 Comments || Top||

#12  Time Fredrichs of Hollywood to make a comeback, except they have that Hollywood in their name which has to be limiting.
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/21/2020 13:31 Comments || Top||

#13  They could change their name to Frederick`s of Manteca and give Victoria`s some competition.
Posted by: JHH || 03/21/2020 15:17 Comments || Top||

#14  So, they're shifting their market to Brazil, Thailand and Walmart?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/21/2020 18:55 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
TSA halts all NY airport departures due to infected people showing up at each one.
[TWITTER]
JFK LGA EWR
Posted by: 3dc || 03/21/2020 14:07 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Infected travelers or infected air controllers?

I guess it won't be long until air travel is shut down due to quarantined/isolated air traffic controllers.
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 15:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Snake Plissken to the white courtesy telephone. Mr. Plissken to the white courtesy telephone, please,
Posted by: KBK || 03/21/2020 19:26 Comments || Top||

#3  @#1: See Air traffic control tower at Chicago Midway airport closed after workers test positive for coronavirus

I'd also be checking nearby strip clubs.
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 03/21/2020 19:57 Comments || Top||


More than 70% of coronavirus deaths in Italy are men and scientists admit they are 'mystified' by the disparity between genders
[Daily Mail]
  • Italy reports that fewer than 30 per cent of its coronavirus victims are women

  • Men are also more likely to pick up the infection in the first place, experts found

  • Data from China has also found that men make up the majority of fatalities
That would be the scientific definition of mystified, where they haven't studied the question specifically for this disease, not the general definition. It is already known that at all stages of life the XY combination is more fragile than XX, starting from conception, and then males engage in riskier behaviours, from smoking and drinking to choice of occupation.
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 11:47 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Men die sooner. Women are the reason why.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 12:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Wild guess I'd say Italian men smoke more than Italian woman.
Also heavy drinking? How about overeating. These things can create pre-existing conditions the virus can exploit.

There might also be things such as work in leather industry or something that has chemicals that compromise the lungs in a way Coronavirus takes advantage of.
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/21/2020 13:34 Comments || Top||

#3  As mentioned earlier, men also don't seek help when the get sick.
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 14:10 Comments || Top||

#4  men also don't seek help when the get sick.

That would be one of the riskier behaviours, Skidmark, along with becoming firemen, policemen, soldiers, and generally putting yourselves between women & children and danger to keep the w&c safe.
Posted by: trailing wife || 03/21/2020 15:26 Comments || Top||

#5  ^The basic axiom of mating systems' behavioral ecology: Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 15:47 Comments || Top||

#6  Women hardest hit.
Posted by: charger || 03/21/2020 17:48 Comments || Top||


Locust plague puts millions at risk of food insecurity in nine countries, forecasters warn, as Saudi Arabia uses field teams to clear 6,550 hectares of the devastating insects
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 11:25 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ask Chinese to develop coronavirus that attacks locusts?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 12:36 Comments || Top||

#2  No more restaurants, so food delivers itself.
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 14:11 Comments || Top||


Sending in the troops: More than 3,300 National Guard soldiers are deployed across 28 states and US Army Corps of Engineers work to convert 10,000 hotel and dorm rooms to hospitals in New York as military expands role in coronavirus outbreak
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 11:09 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Empty (or near-empty) malls could be re-purposed as well. Utilities already in place, decision-makers who evaluated the real estate pre-construction knew location, location, location, etc.
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 03/21/2020 16:18 Comments || Top||


Deep State Department: Global Level 4 Health Advisory – Do Not Travel
[DOS Travel Advisory] The Department of State advises U.S. citizens to avoid all international travel due to the global impact of COVID-19. In countries where commercial departure options remain available, U.S. citizens who live in the United States should arrange for immediate return to the United States, unless they are prepared to remain abroad for an indefinite period. U.S. citizens who live abroad should avoid all international travel.

Many countries are experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks and implementing travel restrictions and mandatory quarantines, closing borders, and prohibiting non-citizens from entry with little advance notice. Airlines have cancelled many international flights and several cruise operators have suspended operations or cancelled trips. If you choose to travel internationally, your travel plans may be severely disrupted, and you may be forced to remain outside of the United States for an indefinite timeframe.

On March 14, the Department of State authorized the departure of U.S. personnel and family members from any diplomatic or consular post in the world who have determined they are at higher risk of a poor outcome if exposed to COVID-19 or who have requested departure based on a commensurate justification. These departures may limit the ability of U.S. Embassies and consulates to provide services to U.S. citizens.

For the latest information regarding COVID-19, please visit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) website.

You are encouraged to visit travel.state.gov to view individual Travel Advisories for the most urgent threats to safety and security. Please also visit the website of the relevant U.S. embassy or consulate to see information on entry restrictions, foreign quarantine policies, and urgent health information provided by local governments.

Travelers are urged to enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive Alerts and make it easier to locate you in an emergency. The Department uses these Alerts to convey information about terrorist threats, security incidents, planned demonstrations, natural disasters, etc. In an emergency, please contact the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate or call the following numbers: 1(888) 407-4747 (toll-free in the United States and Canada) or 1 (202) 501-4444 from other countries or jurisdictions.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/21/2020 10:38 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...you may be forced to remain outside of the United States for an indefinite timeframe.

Perfect for all those Hollywood types who promised to leave if Trump was elected. Now is the time to go!
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 15:43 Comments || Top||

#2  I ask all who will respond if they know of anyone who knows of anyone who has been diagnosed with or exhibits the symptoms of COVID-19.

Thus far, all have answered in the negative. If I hear an increasing number of "yeses," I'll go to heightened concern.

Until then, common-sense hygiene coupled with a little luck and a dash of paranoia is the best I can do.
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 03/21/2020 16:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Anomalous Sources:

Had it. Got better.
Posted by: Iblis || 03/21/2020 16:56 Comments || Top||


Coronavirus killing more than a person an hour in NYC
[FoxNews] The coronavirus killed city residents at a rate of more than one per hour on Friday.

Between just 10 a.m. and 6 p.m., 14 people in New York City died from the virus, pushing the Big Apple’s total death toll to 43.

The toll had been 29 prior to Friday’s jump in deaths.

During that eight-hour period Friday the city’s positive cases also climbed from 5,151 to 5,683.

At 1,750 Brooklyn has the most COVID-19 cases followed by 1,514 in Queens, 1,402 in Manhattan, 736 in the Bronx, and 285 in Staten Island.

Authorities attribute at least part of the jump to increased testing capacity.

Horrifying moment man gasps and collapses in New York City subway sparking panic amid coronavirus outbreak
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 09:55 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But they're all old people with previous condition, so it's OK.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 10:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Not "OK" but a valid question is, "How many lives and businesses is it worth to save a life?"

Nothing we can do is gonna save everybody.
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 10:57 Comments || Top||

#3  And how many suicides because of business failures?
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 03/21/2020 11:01 Comments || Top||

#4  #2 Wait a few weeks and there's going to be an effective treatment. Meanwhile, just clench your teeth - that's life.

p.s. Do a search to see the new businesses appearing due to Covid.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 11:05 Comments || Top||

#5  Chloroquine is going to change everything. Trump nailed it.
Posted by: Iblis || 03/21/2020 11:47 Comments || Top||

#6  If not chloroquine, then something else already in the pipeline. Mr. Wife reminded me last night that 90% of drugs that do well in small scale clinical testing — the one in France was 40 people — fail at the next stage of development. Still, the South Koreans have been using it for this thing, which is a hopeful sign.
Posted by: trailing wife || 03/21/2020 12:25 Comments || Top||

#7  Pretty much everyone outside NYC says "Fack You"
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 14:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Chinese used chloroquine too, which is the more toxic version. hydroxychloroquine, known as plaquenil, is commonly used for Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. Mylan, a US-based generics maker, has restarted production of hydroxychloroquine at its West Virginia plant and is looking to increase manufacturing outside of the US too. Supposedly they are capable of making approximately 1 million doses per day.

Per the Korea Times, it is on the list of the WHO's most essential and effective medicines. It is one of the cheapest drugs to manufacture and could easily be made available to everyone concerned worldwide.

The second is the experimental drug "remdesivir" being developed by the US based company Gilead to target the machinery helping the Ebola virus to divide and increase its population to cause the death of its host and leading to its spread and survival. The drug is currently undergoing a few clinical trials in China and soon in the U.S. for the SARS-CoV2 virus. It was given to the first American infected with the virus and he survived, seemingly cleared of the SARS-CoV2 virus.

Both drugs are safe and available today, or can be manufactured. The scientific research supporting their individual effects on SARS-CoV2 virus was made public in earlier February 2020.

Where do we go from here? President Moon has the power to commandeer all drug manufacturers in South Korea by executive order, and in the name of national security, order them to begin producing and distributing plaquenil and remdesivir. These companies have received funding and bailout-money from the government many times over, and benefited from many other privileges and tax incentives. It is their time to step up, shine, and help save their fellow countrymen and the world from this looming pandemic.


Posted by: Marilyn Tojo7566 || 03/21/2020 18:44 Comments || Top||

#9  per this report, NYers only die during normal business hours

actually, I think this is because of the way the dept of vital statistics works

anyway, the daily State reports of infections and deaths seem to be revised frequently over the days following the initial reports
Posted by: lord garth || 03/21/2020 20:26 Comments || Top||

#10  The real pressing issue is patients literally being suffocated by the Chinese virus before they can fight it off.

If chloroquine or any other drug were to significantly reduce the incidence and/or severity of Chinese virus pneumonia this pandemic would be comparable to a very severe flu pandemic; bad but not a global catastrophe.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 || 03/21/2020 22:51 Comments || Top||


99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
[Bloomberg] More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

After deaths from the virus reached more than 2,500, with a 150% increase in the past week, health authorities have been combing through data to provide clues to help combat the spread of the disease.

Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte’s government is evaluating whether to extend a nationwide lockdown beyond the beginning of April, daily La Stampa reported Wednesday. Italy has more than 31,500 confirmed cases of the illness.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/21/2020 07:55 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Is it worth it?

We are now told daily by our policy makers that this induced depression will send the unemployment and bankruptcy and economic decline rates to levels that are only seen in wartime. This, in order to spare an overwhelmingly elderly population that suffers from pre-existing conditions. and that is therefore more than an order of magnitude more likely to succumb to this disease than young people, and many times more likely than people under 60.

Before you reach for the mots du jour - "exponential", "pandemic," or attack yours truly (I myself like most Rantburgers am on the cusp of entering the above risk group and don't say any of this lightly) -- ask yourself: are the deaths and misery that will surely result from actually destroying the economy for not a week or two but now, possibly, for YEARS?

Is it really worth destroying the hopes of, and sending into the stratosphere the suicide rate among, a BILLION people -- is prolonging the lifespan of a tiny % of a % of that number, of elderly folks?

I'm not trying to be needlessly contrarian and not snarking or attacking anyone. I ask: Is this wise policy? Do our leaders really know what they're doing?

Are we sure we're doing the right thing?
Posted by: Lex || 03/21/2020 8:31 Comments || Top||

#2  60+ year old owner of business soon to be forced to close by Gov. Dewine.
I stand with Lex.
Posted by: Thimp Clusort2035 || 03/21/2020 8:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Groovy, the supermen plague.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 8:44 Comments || Top||

#4  Grom, EC, anyone: please look at the data compiled by Italy's Health Ministry from an 18% sample of the records. 48.5% of those who've died in Italy had three or more pre-existing conditions.

Nearly HALF were already on the verge of dying, and nearly all the remainder had at least one serious medical condition already. Overwhelmingly a case of a flu-like virus killing elderly, ill people.

There is no realistic scenario in which this thing kills more than a thousand or so Americans who are not elderly and suffering from serious medical preconditions.
Posted by: Lex || 03/21/2020 8:47 Comments || Top||

#5  Yes Herb, I mean Lex.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 8:49 Comments || Top||

#6  Perhaps grom is the new Herb?
Posted by: Thimp Clusort2035 || 03/21/2020 8:56 Comments || Top||

#7  I am waiting for someone to explain how this will end. When there are no more new cases? When deaths fall below some number? When everyone not sick has starved to death?

We have guys planning (and leaking) for an 18-month shutdown; who is planning for the re-opening?
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 9:06 Comments || Top||

#8  Are we sure we're doing the right thing?

You mean the massive overreaction? In that case, no we aren't doing the right thing. We're gonna look back on this soon and realize what a bunch of massively overprotective assholes most of our politicians & supposed 'leaders' are.

Also - please stop comparing other commenters to Herb. You think that helps in any way? I don't.
Posted by: Raj || 03/21/2020 9:06 Comments || Top||

#9  Raj, I would expect an accountant to understand compound interest (exponential growth) and to understand that once medical resources are overstretched, young and healthy people - like the ones gamboling on Florida beach now - will start dying.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 9:12 Comments || Top||

#10  Virginia police investigating teens coughing on produce for social media
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 9:24 Comments || Top||

#11  I won't do to G. what he's been doing here.

I mean, I really didn't want to go there - I don't know Grom or any of you, to be honest, and nothing we say here amounts to a hill of beans, as the man once said.

This isn't a pissing match. This is about changing a false narrative and calling out an unfolding global catastrophe in which our presumed cure will be far deadlier to many more people than the illness would be.

Despite all the hysteria, the empirical reality is simply overwhelming. Reality: not bullshit journalism and not speculation about exponential this or that or hypothetical models but actual case data that's been carefully analyzed by serious medical experts here and around the world.

This scrupulously-collected and analyzed, official Italian data confirms, in spades, what should have been obvious to policy makers from the Diamond Princess case.

It's simply not that lethal to the general population. It just ain't.

Remember, the Princess was a cruise ship - a demographic that is heavily skewed toward the elderly: ca. 33% over the age of 60, per industry data, vs only about 20% for the population overall.

Even there, in that ideal incubation environment, the Case Fatality Rate per WHO and CDC was less than 1 in 100, and over 80% of those who were exposed, for 25 days (!) to these ideal incubator conditions, on a quarantined ship, were likely immune.

Apply the math correctly - revise downward from the Diamond Princess infection rate:
- down from 17% to 8% if applied correctly to remove the extreme elderly population & elderly morbidity rate skews;
- then down again by at least 80%, maybe 90%, to eliminate the effects of confining people for 25 days in what a virologist called an ideal incubation environment

... and this actual, hard, empirical data indicates there is simply no way can this thing kill more than, tops, 100k Americans and most likely somewhere between 17k and 34k.

To quote a famous Italian man of science against superstition,
Eppur si muove.
Posted by: Lex || 03/21/2020 9:38 Comments || Top||

#12  Thank you, g(r)om, you condescending prick. Are we at / past the point of overstretching our medical resources (however that's defined)? I don't think so.

Albeit a new one, this is a flu virus. I'm fine with 'wash your hands' and I had the social distancing shit down forty years ago, but I'm with Lex in this belief - this is a massive overreaction, and I know a lot of local businesses are gonna go tits up because of this overreaction, which is what this is.

We'll agree to disagree, or you can just fuck off.
Posted by: Raj || 03/21/2020 9:40 Comments || Top||

#13  ^So, you don't know what a compound interest means?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 9:48 Comments || Top||

#14  Once a condescending prick, always a condescending prick.
Posted by: Raj || 03/21/2020 10:02 Comments || Top||

#15  Coronavirus cases doubling faster in the U.S. than any other country, report says

Probably a consequence of more tests becoming available: it can't be because USA has more people who can't wait for a few weeks until a cure (probably several) is found and treat any (temp) restrictions as the abolition of Constitution.

p.s. Raj, mi hermano, didn't you tell us a few weeks ago that you have a serious heart (?) condition. What do you think will happen to you if you caught Wuhan cold?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 10:14 Comments || Top||

#16  Jesus fucking Christ people. Take a deep breath (6 feet away from others) and calm the fuck down.

Some places are being hit very hard and it isn't the only the old getting it. Others not so much. We just don't know and what we are doing to shut things down has been used for thousands of years to help combat plague.

Trump just declared NY a disaster area and is sending in the Army. Here in Castle Rock it is just annoying AF. Latest from Tim Pool.
Posted by: DarthVader || 03/21/2020 10:43 Comments || Top||

#17  Coronavirus cases doubling faster in the U.S. than any other country, report says

That's a consequence of 10 times more tests being performed. As more test are done, the rate of positive tests is dropping.
Posted by: Spike Hupush2094 || 03/21/2020 10:46 Comments || Top||

#18  That's what I said.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 10:48 Comments || Top||

#19  China had an exponential curve - until it didn't.

No, I don't trust their data either, but the FedEx CEO with 970 employees in Wuhan seemed to believe it, (interviewed on Fox News a couple of days ago) saying 80% of heavy industry and 60% of other stuff was up and running.

A lot of conflicting data and stories out there.
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 10:55 Comments || Top||

#20  ^I posted an article two days ago, says it's all Potemkin village. Fits with expelling journalists.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 10:56 Comments || Top||

#21  My observation is government is way overreacting by shutting down large parts of the economy.

Instead, individuals must take anti-transmission protocols like wearing masks and gloves in public to halt transmission to them. Even wear Tyvek bunny suits at work if that is what will halt the spread. Don't hardly see any of that where I live and people congregate, even at crowded grocery stores.

Shutting down work for people (who are mostly in lower tier jobs) until summer can't work since they don't have the savings to tide them over. Masks, gloves and personal precautions, not killing the economy will get us through this.

Over 70 and heart or respiratory problems? Stay home.

Posted by: Spike Hupush2094 || 03/21/2020 10:59 Comments || Top||

#22  Oh lord.

That MITRE report doesn't even indicate source data, let alone show the data, let alone tell us whether they REMOVED from the tallies those people whose condition improved. And of course this doubling is skewed by starting from a minuscule base, plus better testing equipment, which leads of course to the inevitable qualifier: it's a meaningless data set.

As they themselves admit:
" We believe that COVID-19 cases are currently underrepresented in large part due to our current limited testing capability and the multi-day period of asymptomatic infectivity associated with the COVID-19 pathogen."

Ok, so none of this data is accurate. How on earth can you calculate a meaningful trendline when - as you yourselves admit - the very method of collecting data is inconsistent, varying not just over time but from place to place?

Who would put out such a data set? How is this at all helpful?

Then they insert this qualifier:
"these values are very sensitive to starting assumptions and are trailing statistics, and should not be used to extrapolate forward values.

"In addition, the many NPIs being implemented around the country in recent days should, over time, have some beneficial impact on doubling times in the United States."

Please stop extrapolating from inconsistent, inaccurate data.

MITRE and bullshit journalists make money off of spreading fear with sloppy data handling and unjustified conclusions. We should not repeat the error.
Posted by: Lex || 03/21/2020 11:01 Comments || Top||

#23  Everyone reading this has a preexisting condition. Good Christ...
Posted by: 49 Pan || 03/21/2020 11:51 Comments || Top||

#24  How does this end? A better question is, what does this look like in five years? My guess:

• We now have a third class of RNA virus endemic in the human population: corona on top of cold and flu.

• It is endemic, i.e. it never goes away.

• It is an RNA virus, so it mutates rapidly and new strains emerge every few years like the flu and cold. We will produce vaccines, but they will never be effective enough to provide true herd immunity -- like the flu.

• This strain seems to be somewhere between five and twenty times more deadly than the stains of flu currently in circulation. So for the next few years, we will see five to twenty times the rate of early mortality in at-risk populations.

• The higher levels of mortality will be seen when the number of seriously ill exceed the capacity of the healthcare system. This is the point a lot of folks keep missing. When the numbers are within the capacity of the healthcare system, you see mortality rates like you see in Japan and Singapore. When the capacity is exceeded, it's 1918, baby.

Finally, the way you view this depends on whether you see the world through the tragic or therapeutic lens. If you are of a tragic mind, mortality is a constant. When death comes, it comes. Face it as bravely as you can. One of the therapeutae can perhaps explain that frame of mind better than I ever could.
Posted by: 11A5S || 03/21/2020 11:55 Comments || Top||

#25  #24 Corona is cold.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 11:58 Comments || Top||

#26  Paging Carl Linnaeus. Carl Linnaeus please come to the white courtesy phone.
Posted by: 11A5S || 03/21/2020 12:04 Comments || Top||

#27  How does it end? My guess:
(1) Most everybody will be infected at some point and "herd immunity" to that strain will arise in the population; and
(2) Many susceptible people will die, many more people than in the "Golden Age of Penicillin" that we are seeing the end of.

It sucks to look back at a Golden Age and *sigh* knowing that it is over. Maybe, just maybe, our medical research can pull a new rabbit out of a hat in the future.
Posted by: magpie || 03/21/2020 12:07 Comments || Top||

#28  #26 If the distinction wasn't important you could use influenza vaccine for current coronavirus
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 12:15 Comments || Top||

#29  Coronavirus cases doubling faster in the U.S. than any other country, report says

That's a consequence of 10 times more tests being performed. As more test are done, the rate of positive tests is dropping.


Exactly. Remember there is going to be a bit of lag between between identifying all the people already sick and brand new cases. While that happens a lot of fear tickets are going to be sold.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 03/21/2020 12:26 Comments || Top||

#30  The damage being done to the economy and the mindset of Americans is going to be difficult to undo...and for what? We're not Italy...we're not China or Iran. Our demographics and lifestyles are nothing like theirs. And we already have promising treatments (is it too soon to call it a cure?).
Posted by: Crusader || 03/21/2020 12:35 Comments || Top||

#31  /\ And we already have promising treatments (is it too soon to call it a cure?

Yes, entirely 'too soon.' The presidential election is looming and the Trump MAGA economy is still not destroyed.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/21/2020 12:37 Comments || Top||

#32  We're not Italy

People shit on sidewalks in Italy?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 12:52 Comments || Top||

#33  My wife is a nurse. She is certain she had it this winter. I suspect she is not alone in that. We need a test to see who has the anti-bodies.

My guess of how this plays out (no insider knowledge besides the nurse connection):

(1) During quarantine as we test more people the numbers go up, and then they plummet.
(2) Tests come online to test for anti-bodies and we find the number of people that have already had it is massive. Everyone comes down as they re-estimate the death rate to be really low.
(3) We continue work on a vaccine and such to be ready for the second spike as cold weather returns. This is as much about calming people as it is about actually vaccine.
(4) As a society we trust the media less, Trump more, and work at home and home schooling really get pushed into the mainstream. Robots start to take industrial jobs and folks don't complain about it, and that guaranteed wage thing starts to gain traction as a lot of folks become unemployed and unemployable and terrified about it.
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/21/2020 14:21 Comments || Top||

#34  home schooling really get pushed into the mainstream

Which may be the biggest, and most significant, outcome of the crisis. Even bigger than, h/t TW, preparing us for a real plague.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 14:26 Comments || Top||

#35  How does it end?

Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 14:35 Comments || Top||

#36  #20 Here's the article I've mentioned.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 17:04 Comments || Top||

#37  Lex 2020-03-21 08:47

Without measures, the exponential curve will be brutal. You'll have tens of millions infected within a very short time frame, and we know that at least 10-15% will need intensive care.

No country is able to cope with that.
Posted by: European Conservative || 03/21/2020 17:27 Comments || Top||

#38  https://www.pressdemocrat.com/multimedia/10841359-181/why-outbreaks-like-coronavirusspread-exponentially
Posted by: bbrewer126 || 03/21/2020 17:48 Comments || Top||

#39  The simplest thing is to tell anyone under the age of 60 with no risky conditions like COPD to go back to work, and get the nation back on its feet. Pay the elders to stay home until a cure is widespread, its ultimately cheaper than hospitalizing them and losing their income in years to come.

It will take guts to make that call, real leadership. But its going to be time to get America back to work, and the states and businesses that do this first will be the ones to boom.

Aside from that, those under least threat will likely develop only the mild version, and then become immune, giving the entire population "herd immunity". Based on the stats in S Korea, the only real population with tight testing and control, the fatality rate is less than 0.05% for <55 healthy people, especially non-smokers, and women.

Time to face the facts.
Posted by: Marilyn Tojo7566 || 03/21/2020 19:45 Comments || Top||

#40  At lease make the people who manufacture toilet paper go back to work, my god, the wife and I are seriously inconvenienced at the idea of using paper napkins....for this indignity alone we need use a small grade nuke on the city of Wuhan.
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 03/21/2020 20:24 Comments || Top||

#41  What Marilyn Tojo said. Young (<60) people need to get to back to work, pronto. Wear masks if necessary, keep your social distance wherever possible. But take care of the elderly and get the bulk of the working-age population back on its feet, and working.

S.t. tells me Trump, alone among our political class, would have the guts to make that call.
We shall see.
Posted by: Lex || 03/21/2020 23:40 Comments || Top||


Trump's company CLOSES Mar-a-Lago, fires staff, shutters golf courses and warns of 'shortfall in revenues' - and even closes the bars at its Washington D.C. flagship
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Closes THE BARS!
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Smart. Sharing the pain is a leadership thing.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 0:24 Comments || Top||

#3  "Fires staff". Hack version of "Laid off due to temporary business closure"
Posted by: Frank G || 03/21/2020 7:18 Comments || Top||

#4  That headline is baby diaper loaded.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 03/21/2020 12:27 Comments || Top||


President Trump declares New York a major disaster area as NYC hospitals run low on ventilators and masks and 'epicenter' city makes up a THIRD of all US coronavirus cases
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well YEAH.
We've known that for years!
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:17 Comments || Top||


#3  Hizzoner was too busy worrying about Global Warming to care about his constituents.
Posted by: magpie || 03/21/2020 11:56 Comments || Top||

#4  The safe thing to do would be to repatriate anyone associated with the UN. For the children.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 03/21/2020 12:48 Comments || Top||


Former director of Massachusetts biotech firm faces up to seven years in Chinese prison after 'hiding her coronavirus symptoms
  • [Daily Mail, Where America Gets Its News] The Chinese citizen gobbled down anti-fever medicine at LAX before boarding

  • She also lied about her condition to flight attendants during the 13-hour flight

  • She and her husband both tested positive and are being treated in Beijing

  • Police are investigating her on suspicion of preventing the control of diseases

  • Offenders can be jailed for up to seven years if their case is 'particularly serious’

  • Jie Li, 37, worked for Biogen, a multinational at the center of a coronavirus outbreak in Massachusetts. Around 30 per cent of the confirmed cases in the state are believed to be linked to a conference held by the company in Boston in February.
Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Commies

#1  A follow-on to the "running back to china" story.
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Why bad thing happen to good people?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 3:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Hiding a spy?
Posted by: Woodrow || 03/21/2020 7:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Cleaning up evidence?

'Jie Li didn't incinerate herself'
Posted by: swksvolFF || 03/21/2020 10:45 Comments || Top||


Coronavirus update: Hospital CEO says face mask supplier charging $7 for 58-cent masks amid coronavirus crisis


[INDEPENDENT.CO.UK] A face mask supplier began charging $7 for the medical gear that typically costs just 58-cents, according to one hospital CEO, as hospitals throughout the US began seeing an influx of Covid-19 patients this week.Scott Steiner, CEO of Phoebe Putney Health System, said in an interview with CNN on Wednesday that his staff has been forced to create additional masks made of cloth to place over their N95 masks ‐ which are typically discarded after each use ‐ to extend their usability amid a severe shortage in medical supplies.

The CEO said at least one supplier for the N95 masks "want $7 per mask" and added that "they’ve got a million of them in-hand."

"This is a mask that normally would cost us 58-cents," he added, "but, I’ll tell you, we’re probably going to take them for $7 each because we’re that desperate."

Mr Steiner also said his Georgia-based hospital saw a rise in the number of patients infected with the new coronavirus
...the twenty first century equivalent of bubonic plague, only instead of killing off a third of the population of Europe it kills 3.4 percent of those who notice they have it. It seems to be fond of the elderly, especially Iranian politicians and holy men...
last Tuesday and Wednesday, as the number of cases continued to soar nationwide amid an increase in testing for the deadly illness.


Cops investigating disturbing trend of teen jerks coughing on produce
[NYPOST] A group of teenagers filmed themselves coughing on produce at a Virginia grocery store, and then posted the sick stunt to social media — a “disturbing trend” amid the coronavirus
...the twenty first century equivalent of bubonic plague, only instead of killing off a third of the population of Europe it kills 3.4 percent of those who notice they have it. It seems to be fond of the elderly, especially Iranian politicians and holy men...
pandemic.

“We have learned that this appears to be a disturbing trend on social media across the country, and we ask for help from parents to discourage this behavior immediately,” Purcellville police said in a Facebook post Thursday.

“We are asking for parental assistance in monitoring your teenagers’ activities, as well as their social media posts to avoid the increase of any further such incidents.”

The cops didn’t cite other specific incidents but urged parents to “talk with your children and explain to them why such behavior is wrong.”

The grocery store, which was not mentioned by name, removed the befouled fruits and veggies. The teens remain at large.


NBC News Employee Dies from Coronavirus
[BREITBART] An NBC News employee has died from the Chinese coronavirus
...the twenty first century equivalent of bubonic plague, only instead of killing off a third of the population of Europe it kills 3.4 percent of those who notice they have it. It seems to be fond of the elderly, especially Iranian politicians and holy men...
, according to a company memo published by the Daily Beast on Friday morning.

NBC Chairman Andy Lack told staffers that audio technician Larry Edgeworth is the first staffer to pass away from the illness, calling him "longtime member of our NBC News family." According to Lack, Edgeworth had "suffered from other health issues that led him to succumb to the illness."

"Many of you were fortunate enough to work with Larry over the years, so you know that he was the guy you wanted by your side no matter where you were," wrote Lack. "Stacy Brady says he was known as the ’gentle giant who would give you the shirt off his back.’"

Edgeworth’s passing comes as some of NBC’s biggest stars, such as Savannah Guthrie, Al Roker, and Craig Melvin, have been working from home after a Today show staffer working at its headquarters at 30 Rockefeller Plaza contracted the illness.



Adults Under 45 Years Old Make Up 20% of U.S. Coronavirus Hospitalizations
[BREITBART] People aged 20 to 44 make up a significant portion of those hospitalized for the Chinese coronavirus in the United States, according to data released Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

“Among 508 (12%) patients known to have been hospitalized, 9% were aged 85 years, 26% were aged 65–84 years, 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, and 20% were aged 20–44 years,” the report by the CDC said.

Since February 12, 4,226 COVID-19 cases were reported in the United States; 31% of cases, 45% of hospitalizations, 53% of ICU admissions, and 80% of deaths occurred among adults aged ≥65 years with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged ≥85 years.

These findings are similar to data from China, which indicated >80% of deaths occurred among persons aged ≥60 years (3). These preliminary data also demonstrate that severe illness leading to hospitalization, including ICU admission and death, can occur in adults of any age with COVID-19.






It's really dumb, but I like it.

How to find remote work amid coronavirus unemployment

Deaconess asks public to sew CDC-compliant face masks for staff
Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yeah, and Home Depot is sold out of dust masks.
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Sort of like those $18.00 aspirin and $22.00 band aids at the hospital. Pot, meet kettle.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 0:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Irritating, isn't it?
Posted by: gorb || 03/21/2020 2:48 Comments || Top||

#4  CEO going public might be the only price gouging disinfectant.
Posted by: Woodrow || 03/21/2020 7:48 Comments || Top||

#5  18% were 45–54 years, and 20% were aged 20–44 years,” the report by the CDC said.

The Dallas Morning News headline on the front page a few days ago read 'Corona Virus Significantly Affects Young People.'

Later on, they clarified they meant "under 55".

Under 55: The New Young.
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 9:11 Comments || Top||

#6  Brazil's health system will collapse by April: Health minister

Brazil: 210 million people, 977 cases, 11 deaths. I can see why their health system will 'collapse next month'. [sarc]
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 9:18 Comments || Top||

#7  Same page Skid linked:

3M N95 Sanding Painted Surfaces Respirator Dust Masks ((20-Pack) (Case of 4))
Model# 8110PB1-A (64)
$79.88 /case Limit 10 per order

That's a buck each, if you buy 80. Now, I didn't actually try to order any...
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 9:22 Comments || Top||

#8  Now, I didn't actually try to order any

Wanna bet they're out?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 9:27 Comments || Top||

#9  Nope. Site updated:

Out of stock online
Not sold in stores
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 10:49 Comments || Top||

#10  #9 Nope ????
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 10:53 Comments || Top||

#11  This is how markets work. The alternatives are worse.
Posted by: Iblis || 03/21/2020 11:51 Comments || Top||

#12  ^ Yes. Elizabeth Warren would have a trans child decide if you could have a mask.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 12:50 Comments || Top||

#13  /\ In Communism there were "Party Member only stores" where the shelves were always full and the stores for normal people had long lines and empty shelves. Apparatchiks like Elizabeth Warren would always get hers first.
Posted by: magpie || 03/21/2020 13:14 Comments || Top||

#14  It Pays to Be Rich During a Pandemic
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 14:44 Comments || Top||

#15  ^But the rest of the time it sucks!
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 14:52 Comments || Top||

#16  It Pays to Be Rich During a Pandemic in major population areas

1. if you insist in being in the middle of a man made Petri dish of millions of other human beings piled upon each other.

2. where most of your neighbors are not just as well armed as your body guards and likely to tolerate theft or appropriation of the commons.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/21/2020 15:25 Comments || Top||


Africa Subsaharan
Here's what you'll pay to get toilet paper delivered by Takealot, Checkers, Pick n Pay, and more
BLUF:
[Bus Insider South Africa] Typical fees are in the range of R60 to R90 (aprox USD $ 3.5), not counting first-time-user promotions and other specials. But delivery fees can range widely, and buying just enough can see them waived.
Emphasis added.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/21/2020 12:18 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The wording certainly worthy of the Babylon Bee.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/21/2020 12:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Did they specify new or used?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/21/2020 15:27 Comments || Top||


Switzerland is now also on South Africa's Covid-19 travel ban list. Here's the full rundown.
[Babylon Bee Bus Insider South Africa] South Africa has extended its travel ban to Switzerland, now making for ten countries from which travellers to SA are not welcome.

The list is "subject to change in line with risk rating of the World Health Organisation", according to regulations published on Wednesday, formalising the restrictions.

South African citizens and permanent residents will always be allowed to enter the country, regardless of their point of origin, under the rules.

The bans are in place indefinitely, and must be lifted by proclamation.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/21/2020 11:41 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Britain
UK food supply at full capacity thanks to ‘no deal' Brexit planning
In 2018 – amid Brexit contingency planning, the Government made top-secret moves to stockpile processed food in the event of EU trade talks collapsing – to show Brussels that “no deal” was not a bluff.

Former Prime Minister Theresa May ordered “no deal” planning “to step up” – and thanks to her foresight Britain now has tons of supplies amid the Chinese Coronavirus crisis and it will keep us going for months.

The British Government imported more than £22 billion worth of processed food and drinks in the event of a no-deal Brexit and to show that Britain was ready to go it alone.

Similar stockpiles were also prepared for medical supplies amid fears of chaos at British ports in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 14:14 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We will fight them on the loading docks, we will fight them on M3, we will fight them in the aisles....
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/21/2020 15:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Smart move, great negotiating practice.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 03/21/2020 15:37 Comments || Top||

#3  So all of the pre-Brexit posturing about the total economic meltdown if Brexit was actually gone through with had already been preempted? I feel terribly clever now for having believed it would not cause major disruptions.

And goodness knows the NIH needs all the help it can get even under normal circumstances.
Posted by: trailing wife || 03/21/2020 15:39 Comments || Top||

#4  May did something right. Totally by accident no doubt...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 15:46 Comments || Top||

#5  Currently Brexit means nothing. The UK still enjoys the benefits of the single market this year. It has only lost its voting rights.

I'm 100% sure that Boris will ask for an extension soon. No better face saving than Corona.
Posted by: European Conservative || 03/21/2020 15:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Did the Brits stock up on toilet paper?
Posted by: Spike Hupush2094 || 03/21/2020 16:45 Comments || Top||

#7  If reports of Germany being unhelpful to Italy during the crisis turn out to be true the EU might be done.
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/21/2020 20:47 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
N. Korea fires 2 short-range ballistic missiles into East Sea from North Pyongan Province
[PUBLISH.TWITTER] Who's the bozo without a mask?... Oh. Wait. It's Fearless Leader.
Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Commies

#1 

Little commie fat face trying to stay impotent...

Posted by: Woodrow || 03/21/2020 8:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Cleaning out the Health Ministry?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/21/2020 8:28 Comments || Top||

#3  The East Sea doesn't stand a chance against the mighty Nork Army! Juche all the way, baby!
Posted by: Raj || 03/21/2020 9:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Fearless Leader is able to digest Wuhan Flu, and he can do it without pooping.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 03/21/2020 12:46 Comments || Top||


N. Korean soldiers die after suffering from fevers and breathing problems
[DAILYNK] Three soldiers guarding the Sino-North Korea
...hereditary Communist monarchy distinguished by its truculence and periodic acts of violence. Distinguishing features include Songun (Army First) policy, which involves feeding the army before anyone but the Dear Leadership, and Juche, which is Kim Jong Il's personal interpretation of Marxism-Leninism, which he told everybody was brilliant. In 1950 the industrialized North invaded agrarian South Korea. Twenty-one countries of the United Nations eventually contributed to the UN force opposing the invasion, with the United States providing around 90% of the military personnel. Seventy years later the economic results are in and it doesn't look good for Juche...
n border in Chagang Province recently died after suffering from fevers and breathing problems, Daily NK has learned.

All of the soldiers were in their late teens and early twenties and were stationed at a sentry post near the Wiwon Dam in Chagang Province, according to a Daily NK source in the North Korean military.

They reportedly began suffering from fevers and severe breathing problems on the evening of Mar. 14, but had complained of fevers, coughing and headaches for three days. Despite their condition, they still continued to work and were told to take cold medicine and fever reducers.

When the soldiers began suffering from intense fevers and severe breathing problems, they were sent to the emergency room in a local hospital in Kanggye’s Sokhyon neighborhood.

All three of the soldiers died on Mar. 16, two days after they had been admitted to the hospital.

"The soldiers’ corpses are still in the hospital mortuary. Their bodies will be disinfected and then transported back to their military unit for burial," the source said.

PANIC IN THE RANKS
Their death sparked panic among the military’s leadership, which initially believed that the men had died of COVID-19 infections.

Hospital and military authorities, however, ultimately ruled that the deaths were caused by acute pneumonia, not the novel coronavirus
...the twenty first century equivalent of bubonic plague, only instead of killing off a third of the population of Europe it kills 3.4 percent of those who notice they have it. It seems to be fond of the elderly, especially Iranian politicians and holy men...
, and even claimed that the deaths were the result of "pre-existing conditions," not COVID-19.

Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Commies

#1  Maybe "our Leader" was 'venting'?
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:38 Comments || Top||

#2  the deaths were caused by acute pneumonia, not the Chinese novel coronavirus

These diagnoses aren't mutually exclusive.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 || 03/21/2020 0:42 Comments || Top||

#3  They are in North Korea.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 3:53 Comments || Top||

#4  All of the soldiers were in their late teens and early twenties

Suurre...acute pneumonia
Posted by: Frank G || 03/21/2020 6:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Did the fever kill their tapeworms?
Posted by: Woodrow || 03/21/2020 8:09 Comments || Top||

#6  Between the garlic and chili peppers in the Kimchee the South Koreans should be safe from tape worms.
Posted by: Thaith Elmeresing6163 || 03/21/2020 9:00 Comments || Top||

#7  the deaths were caused by acute pneumonia high velocity projectile tissue damage, not the novel coronavirus
Posted by: Glenmore || 03/21/2020 11:28 Comments || Top||


Europe
WATCH: African woman ignores France's lockdown to curb spread of virus; purposefully coughs in faces of police officers when detained
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 14:41 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  An immediate bullet to the face will teach others that it's not a good idea.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 03/21/2020 15:48 Comments || Top||

#2  At the very least some stick time and assault with a deadly weapon charges.
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/21/2020 20:48 Comments || Top||


Italian Virologist: Italy Was Slow To Restrict Travel From China Because of Fear of Being Called Racist
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 10:46 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hmmmm. When Trump started to restrict travel from the hot zones, guess what he was called?
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 11:04 Comments || Top||

#2  They had a choice: Appear to be racist temporarily or be stupid. Liberals choose poorly.
Posted by: gorb || 03/21/2020 17:18 Comments || Top||


Bad video... Italy: they’re fighting a war here, and they’re losing
[Twitter]

"Severe pneumonia more than flu...Live and recover or die"
Posted by: 3dc || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If you've never been there, you need to see it.
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:22 Comments || Top||

#2  The Austria - Italy border country was pristine. Florence was beautiful but gritty. By the time I got to Rome it was filthy. Back in 1983.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 0:46 Comments || Top||

#3  The main catastrophic effect of the Chinese virus disease is the collapse of health care infrastructure.

In the affected regions people can die of the virus pandemic without ever being infected because those who ordinarily would need & get ICU care to survive can no longer get any.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 || 03/21/2020 0:57 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
NYTimes Shitshow: Germany-Based Correspondent Claims "Trump is Ceding Leadership on Coronavirus... TO CHINA"!
Posted by: Lex || 03/21/2020 12:25 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  As long as they don't blame the Jews, they're not really serious.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 12:56 Comments || Top||

#2  We ceded gas chamber development to the Chermans also.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 13:22 Comments || Top||

#3  And nobody beats them on dual use exports.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 13:23 Comments || Top||

#4  I didn't know that lying and trying to cover it up qualifies as 'leadership'.
Posted by: Raj || 03/21/2020 13:39 Comments || Top||

#5  You do understand the difference between "Germany-based correspondent" and "German correspondent"?

I'm getting a bit tired of these knee-jerk reactions.
Posted by: European Conservative || 03/21/2020 15:28 Comments || Top||

#6  Well every MO and Abdrool with a Cherman passport is referred to in the media as a Cherman. So the distinction is a bit thin...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 15:48 Comments || Top||

#7  Steven Erlanger is the chief diplomatic correspondent in Europe for The New York Times.

An American.
Posted by: European Conservative || 03/21/2020 15:59 Comments || Top||

#8  And the American Mr. Erlanger, the Times correspondent in question, is based in Brussels at the moment. But more importantly, the conclusion of the article does not match ithe title:

“What will this mean in five years for great-power competition?” asked Ms. Major. “In 10 years will we say, ‘This is the moment that China rose and the U.S. declined,’ or will the U.S. rebound?”

In the past, the United States has rebounded, even if slow out of the starting gate.

That was true in both World Wars, when the country’s efforts to remain separated from the rest of the world by an ocean were replaced by strong commitments from the government and the society to win wars and become, as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt put it, “the arsenal of democracy.’’

Mr. Westmacott, the former British ambassador, sees a new seriousness in Mr. Trump over the last few days.

“The tone seems to have changed, despite some unrealistic claims about the availability of new tests, with less bluster and a bit more leadership,’’ he said.

And the capacity of the United States for medical research is unparalleled in the world.

Stefano Stefanini, a former Italian diplomat, was struck by the size of the emergency funding that Congress was so quickly preparing.

“For a country that struggled with Obamacare, it’s huge,’’ he said. “This is also part of the real American greatness, the capacity to act boldly when something happens.’’
Posted by: trailing wife || 03/21/2020 16:12 Comments || Top||

#9  Oh I may have forgotten to call BS on that article.
Leadership means responsibility. Last thing I heard Xi is blaming everybody but himself for the greatest disaster of the 21st century.

China rose... and failed.
Posted by: European Conservative || 03/21/2020 16:31 Comments || Top||

#10  Can't read the article, what's the Germany-Based Correspondant's name?
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/21/2020 20:47 Comments || Top||

#11  His name is Steven Erlanger, ruprecht.
Posted by: trailing wife || 03/21/2020 22:26 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Pharmacies in Karachi run out of cholroquine tablets after positive outcome of COVID-19 clinical tests
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Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  Drink the water out of your aquariums!
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Has anyone looked into whether people with malaria are immune to COVID-19?
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 0:43 Comments || Top||


#4  Ugh. The last time I had to take chloroquine was prior a visit to Karachi.
Posted by: Woodrow || 03/21/2020 7:56 Comments || Top||

#5  I hear that it's not friendly to your body, Woodrow. What is your experience with the drug?
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 03/21/2020 8:05 Comments || Top||

#6  headache.
loss of appetite.
diarrhea.
upset stomach.
stomach pain.
skin rash or itching.
hair loss.
mood or mental changes.
Posted by: crazyhorse || 03/21/2020 10:16 Comments || Top||

#7  But I don't want to be Danny De Vito.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 03/21/2020 10:43 Comments || Top||

#8  ^????
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 10:48 Comments || Top||

#9  Or, behaving like Danny De Vito.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 03/21/2020 12:27 Comments || Top||

#10  RE #5: 13 years of hydroxycloroquine with none of the side effects of #6. IIRC, Wikipedia said my version* has fewer side effects.

*I am not spelling hydroxyclorquine again!
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2020 12:39 Comments || Top||

#11  "plaquenil", the brand name, is the easy way to spell it.

After a brief web research, apparently its generic, easy to produce in large quantities, and fairly cheap. Been around since the 1950's.
Posted by: Marilyn Tojo7566 || 03/21/2020 19:38 Comments || Top||

#12  "New study says 'high temperature and high relative humidity significantly reduce' spread of COVID-19"

Hell I guess I should have stayed in Cozumel. I came back from there on Tuesday! WTH man!
Posted by: Texhooey || 03/21/2020 23:44 Comments || Top||


Delhi Gangrape-murder convicts Hanged, Modi Tweets ‘Justice has prevailed’
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Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Short rope hopefully.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 3:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Long drop method. The four of them broke down and wept when they were weighted and measured for the gallows.
Posted by: John Frum || 03/21/2020 7:04 Comments || Top||

#3  Their lawyer filed a last minute appeal and had the Indian Supreme Court hearing the case at 3 AM. He also wrote to the ICJ in the Hague.
Posted by: John Frum || 03/21/2020 7:12 Comments || Top||

#4  #2 Pity.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 13:07 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Israel's coronavirus count up to 833, more patients in serious condition
Another 178 people have tested positive for coronavirus in Israel over the past 24 hours, bringing the country's total to 833, according to new statistics released Saturday morning by the Health Ministry.

Of the latest number, 812 have light symptoms, 19 are in moderate condition, 15 are in serious condition

and 36 people have recovered, an increase of 21 cases since Friday morning.
812 + 19 + 15 =?= 833 Journalist math?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 09:14 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I think it has something to do with compound interest, g(r)ommie - better check it out...
Posted by: Raj || 03/21/2020 10:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Is that how you think compound interest works?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 10:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Ask Lex :)
Posted by: bbrewer126 || 03/21/2020 11:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Ok, it was a typo: 883 Israelis diagnosed with coronavirus, 15 in serious condition
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 12:23 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
The coronavirus did not escape from a lab. Here's how we know.
[LiveScience] As the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 spreads across the globe, with cases surpassing 284,000 worldwide today (March 20), misinformation is spreading almost as fast.

One persistent myth is that this virus, called SARS-CoV-2, was made by scientists and escaped from a lab in Wuhan, China, where the outbreak began.

A new analysis of SARS-CoV-2 may finally put that latter idea to bed. A group of researchers compared the genome of this novel coronavirus with the seven other coronaviruses known to infect humans: SARS, MERS and SARS-CoV-2, which can cause severe disease; along with HKU1, NL63, OC43 and 229E, which typically cause just mild symptoms, the researchers wrote March 17 in the journal Nature Medicine.

"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus," they write in the journal article.

Kristian Andersen, an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research, and his colleagues looked at the genetic template for the spike proteins that protrude from the surface of the virus. The coronavirus uses these spikes to grab the outer walls of its host's cells and then enter those cells. They specifically looked at the gene sequences responsible for two key features of these spike proteins: the grabber, called the receptor-binding domain, that hooks onto host cells; and the so-called cleavage site that allows the virus to open and enter those cells.

That analysis showed that the "hook" part of the spike had evolved to target a receptor on the outside of human cells called ACE2, which is involved in blood pressure regulation. It is so effective at attaching to human cells that the researchers said the spike proteins were the result of natural selection and not genetic engineering.

Here's why: SARS-CoV-2 is very closely related to the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), which fanned across the globe nearly 20 years ago. Scientists have studied how SARS-CoV differs from SARS-CoV-2 ‐ with several key letter changes in the genetic code. Yet in computer simulations, the mutations in SARS-CoV-2 don't seem to work very well at helping the virus bind to human cells. If scientists had deliberately engineered this virus, they wouldn't have chosen mutations that computer models suggest won't work. But it turns out, nature is smarter than scientists, and the novel coronavirus found a way to mutate that was better ‐ and completely different‐ from anything scientists could have created, the study found.

Another nail in the "escaped from evil lab" theory? The overall molecular structure of this virus is distinct from the known coronaviruses and instead most closely resembles viruses found in bats and pangolins that had been little studied and never known to cause humans any harm.

"If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness," according to a statement from Scripps.

Where did the virus come from? The research group came up with two possible scenarios for the origin of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. One scenario follows the origin stories for a few other recent coronaviruses that have wreaked havoc in human populations. In that scenario, we contracted the virus directly from an animal ‐ civets in the case of SARS and camels in the case of Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). In the case of SARS-CoV-2, the researchers suggest that animal was a bat, which transmitted the virus to another intermediate animal (possibly a pangolin, some scientists have said) that brought the virus to humans.

In that possible scenario, the genetic features that make the new coronavirus so effective at infecting human cells (its pathogenic powers) would have been in place before hopping to humans.

In the other scenario, those pathogenic features would have evolved only after the virus jumped from its animal host to humans. Some coronaviruses that originated in pangolins have a "hook structure" (that receptor binding domain) similar to that of SARS-CoV-2. In that way, a pangolin either directly or indirectly passed its virus onto a human host. Then, once inside a human host, the virus could have evolved to have its other stealth feature ‐ the cleavage site that lets it easily break into human cells. Once it developed that capacity, the researchers said, the coronavirus would be even more capable of spreading between people.

All of this technical detail could help scientists forecast the future of this pandemic. If the virus did enter human cells in a pathogenic form, that raises the probability of future outbreaks. The virus could still be circulating in the animal population and might again jump to humans, ready to cause an outbreak. But the chances of such future outbreaks are lower if the virus must first enter the human population and then evolve the pathogenic properties, the researchers said.
Posted by: JohnQC || 03/21/2020 15:43 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We had this, ridiculous, article before.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 16:08 Comments || Top||

#2  "My name is Xi Jinping, and I approve this message."
Posted by: Matt || 03/21/2020 16:43 Comments || Top||

#3  So wehby then did the Chinese try to bury it?
Posted by: gorb || 03/21/2020 17:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Another nail in the "escaped from evil lab" theory? The overall molecular structure of this virus is distinct from the known coronaviruses and instead most closely resembles viruses found in bats and pangolins that had been little studied and never known to cause humans any harm.

The guy in charge of the Wuhan facility was doing research involving bats. The facility at Wuhan was there due to the number of bats in the area which, not suprisingly, wound up in the market stalls of the local wet market. Add to that the finding that one of the guys at the facility was making money on the side selling the lab animals when protocols required that they be incinerated.
Posted by: Ptah || 03/21/2020 17:54 Comments || Top||

#5  The other question ignored in this article:

How did a strand of HIV gene get into the RNA of this virus? They are 2 very different types of viruses. (Think humans and orangutans)

Not likely without lab intervention.

Posted by: Martin Angeang2170 || 03/21/2020 18:25 Comments || Top||


Variants of the virus.
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Posted by: 3dc || 03/21/2020 12:09 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Commies

#1  Might an engineered virus mutate more quickly than a naturally occurring one? I have no idea.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 12:55 Comments || Top||


Open-source project spins up 3D-printed ventilator validation prototype in just one week
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 03:30 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Genesis of need.
Posted by: Woodrow || 03/21/2020 7:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Necessity is the mother of invention. See USA in WWII, Israel.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 8:21 Comments || Top||

#3  Merits of an oxygen concentrater vs. Wuhan Flu?
Posted by: swksvolFF || 03/21/2020 12:30 Comments || Top||


U.S. military says it tested a hypersonic missile late Thursday night
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Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "We were listening for it and we tried to get pictures, but we missed!"
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:18 Comments || Top||

#2  If you can hear it it won't get you it already landed somewhere else.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/21/2020 0:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Target and shoot the virus with all your awesome tech than idiots!
Posted by: Gerthudion Phavimp5421 || 03/21/2020 8:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Here?
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 03/21/2020 8:06 Comments || Top||


Mars Lander Jams...So NASA Orders It To Hit Itself With a Shovel
Slightly oversimplified, but, what the heck!:
[JonathanTurley] It appears that NASA follows the same principle of many homeowners that the last resort for any stuck machine is to give it a good kick. In the case of the NASA InSight Mars lander, the solution was to order the lander to literally hit itself with its own shovel. It worked.



The problem was the digging probe used to go below the surface. It turns out that Mars soil is clumpier than anticipated. So, as reported in Popular Science, the lander was told to hit itself.
In the mainframe era the first thing an IBM repairman would do is hit various parts of the machine with a rubber mallet. Why? Because card contacts and wire plugs can get insulating corrosion and a good whack sometimes takes care of it.
The comments are worth a visit. PS source story HERE.
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 03/21/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Spetsnaz solution

Posted by: Skidmark || 03/21/2020 0:33 Comments || Top||

#2 

When in doubt, use a bigger hammer.
Posted by: Woodrow || 03/21/2020 8:04 Comments || Top||

#3  If they were technologically literate they would have resorted to the universal cure...turn it off and turn it back on. No wonder the western world is in a state of panic.
Posted by: Cesare || 03/21/2020 10:06 Comments || Top||

#4  hope they called 811 first
Posted by: USN,Ret. || 03/21/2020 11:17 Comments || Top||

#5  NASA tool kit - hammer, bigger hammer, condom; if it doesn't work, hit it with a hammer, if it still doesn't work, hit it with a bigger hammer, if that doesn't work, f*** it.
Posted by: Glenmore || 03/21/2020 11:22 Comments || Top||

#6  Old IDF saying "If force doesn't work, use more force."
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 11:25 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Florida Man Friday: Coronavirus Is a Real Beach
STEPHEN GREEN via Instapundit
[PJMedia] I don't know what to say about spring break in Florida, where college kids are maintaining the social distance by putting on bathing suits and crowding the beaches.

Just because young people are extremely unlikely to die of COVID-19, which is caused by the Chinese coronavirus from Wuhan, a city in China ruled by Chinese Communists where the Chinese-sourced Sino-virus came from, doesn't mean they can't catch it, then bring it home to their parents and grandparents.

I don't know which is worse: Closing the beaches or hoping half-naked college kids will do the right thing.
Spare the rod and spoil the child
...Florida Woman inaugurates the #CoronaVirusChallenge by licking an airplane toilet seat. With her tongue, in case that wasn't absolutely 100% clear already.

...Last week I reported to you the story of Florida Man LeRoy Stotelmyer, who had been arrested for shoplifting but tried to get out of it by flashing a fake badge and claiming to be a law enforcement officer.

Well, he's at it again. Or still:

A man in Flagler County was arrested for impersonating an officer just two days after going to jail for the same thing.

...Florida Man had sex with a dolphin called Dolly for a year - and claimed she seduced him.

...Florida Man takes off pants after crashing into car, deputies say.
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#1  Oops.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 03/21/2020 4:48 Comments || Top||



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