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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Anyone can play guitar
Posted by: tipper || 08/16/2004 00:47 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Can Abu Hamza play guitar?
Posted by: ed || 08/16/2004 2:58 Comments || Top||

#2  ... every pout and sneer and elongated tongue was going to count.

And this, boys and girls, is where Rock & Roll ceased to be culturally relevant.
[/Mr. Rogers]
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2004 3:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Ed - LOL!! He can't even wipe hs ass at the mo' Ha ha!!
Posted by: Howard UK || 08/16/2004 8:54 Comments || Top||

#4  This is why you spell loser with a capital L kids.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 08/16/2004 9:15 Comments || Top||

#5  Can Abu Hamza play guitar?

Abu Hamza plays 'air guitar' with his 'air hands'.
Posted by: Bulldog || 08/16/2004 9:19 Comments || Top||

#6  It may seem a harmless enough practice, but the anti-air guitar lobby claim it is the first step on the road to ... buying a Harley Davidson

They say that as if it were a bad thing ....
Posted by: too true || 08/16/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
Chavez Apparently Survives Recall Vote
But perhaps not the vote fraud. Major EFL to just the new stuff.
President Hugo Chavez survived a referendum to oust him, according to results Monday, prompting his backers to set off fireworks and celebrate in the capital, while Venezuela's opposition swiftly claimed fraud. With 94 percent of the votes counted, Chavez had 58 percent of the vote and the opposition 42 percent, according to Francisco Carrasquero, president of the National Elections Council. But Carrasquero stopped short of declaring Chavez the outright winner.

Chavez, the champion of Venezuela's majority poor and the nemesis of the wealthier classes, claimed victory and said he would continue to wage his "revolution for the poor." "Venezuela has changed forever," he said in a speech. "There is no turning back." He also claimed repeatedly that opposition leaders were pawns of President Bush. "Hopefully, from this day on Washington will respect the government and people of Venezuela," Evita Chavez boomed from a palace balcony.
We already do, more than he does.
Carrasquero said 4,991,483 votes were cast against recalling the former army paratrooper, and 3,576,517 in favor. Opposition leaders refused to accept the results and demanded a manual recount, claiming their own exit polls showed almost 60 percent of citizens voted to oust Chavez. At opposition headquarters in Caracas, opponents watching Carrasquero's announcement on television shouted, "Fraud! Fraud!" "We categorically and absolutely reject these results," said Henry Ramos Allup, leader of the Democratic Coordinator coalition of opposition parties. "The National Elections Council has committed a gigantic fraud." Indicating a possible split in the five-member elections council, Sobella Mejia - who is aligned with the opposition - told a news conference before the tallies were announced that any release of partial figures would be premature and invalid.
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Posted by: Steve White || 08/16/2004 11:29:02 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wasn't it Lenin who said something like "It's not who gets to vote, it's who gets to count the votes."?
Posted by: PBMcL || 08/16/2004 11:49 Comments || Top||

#2  I understand Richard J. Daleyito voted four times...
Posted by: mojo || 08/16/2004 12:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Vote early, and often!
Posted by: James Michael Curley || 08/16/2004 12:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Former President Carter, who monitored the vote, said it was the largest turnout he had ever seen....

What is he, an election groupie? Whenever some third world dump wants to showcase how supposedly legit it's political system is, Jimmah get's a plane ticket and a two week vacation to warmer climes.
With him keeping tabs on this, Hugo's good as gold.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2004 12:58 Comments || Top||

#5  Carter was probably there giving Chavez official Democratic advice on stealing elections.
Posted by: someone || 08/16/2004 13:02 Comments || Top||

#6  We may not like the outcome but we got to respect it. The votes over, Chavez won, now next issue. After a couple more years of Chavez they will be ready to throw him out of office through the ballot box.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/16/2004 13:19 Comments || Top||

#7  Carter: Observers Agree with Chavez Recall Results

Nice work, Jimmah. Stay the rest of the week. Get some sun.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2004 14:26 Comments || Top||

#8  I knew Chávez was going to win when the Cuban government said that the referendum was conducted in a fair mode...
Posted by: True German Ally || 08/16/2004 15:37 Comments || Top||

#9  First rule of dictatorship: always declare victory first.
Posted by: eLarson || 08/16/2004 18:32 Comments || Top||


Venezuela's Chavez on brink of referendum defeat
Until he starts to really count the votes, and count, and count, and count....
The Venezuelan President, Hugo Chavez, looked to be losing his grip on power last night as exit polls showed him to be trailing the opposition by almost a million votes. The figures were early indications that, for the first time in the country's history, the President may have his term in office cut short by a referendum. The mid-morning results showed that the opposition, already boasting an enormous 1,758,000 votes to Chavez's 798,000, is well on its way to reaching the target of 3.76 million votes it needs to oust the authoritarian, left-wing President. Turn-out for the referendum was high, with millions of Venezuelans queuing from the early hours at polling stations all over the oil-rich country to decide the political fate of the firebrand Mr Chavez.
SNIP

And they kept the polls open very, very late.
Posted by: Anonymous2u || 08/16/2004 12:57:47 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I predict the will "win by a landslide."
Posted by: Flamebait93268 || 08/16/2004 1:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Reuters declares that with 94% of the vote counted Chavez "survived", with the notation that if he had lost supportive oil workers could have disrupted oil production ...
Posted by: Edward Yee || 08/16/2004 5:07 Comments || Top||

#3  As I predicted. He had it rigged to win regardless. Rooters is happy I bet as it loves oppressors of every ilk.
Posted by: Flamebait93268 || 08/16/2004 5:16 Comments || Top||

#4  Jimmy Carter is, apparently, in Venezuala today. Oil is down slightly on news of Chavez's claim of victory.
Posted by: mhw || 08/16/2004 10:27 Comments || Top||

#5  Rooters is happy I bet as it loves oppressors of every ilk.

I don't know about Reuters, but the Beeb's Listen with Mother lunchtime news was plainly overjoyed.
Posted by: Bulldog || 08/16/2004 10:34 Comments || Top||

#6  The Devil's Excrement is reporting on the developing story... the short form, excerpted:

The CD says the results are exactly the opposite based on : Exit polls and the addition of all of the final results of all of the polling stations in the country added by Sumate. They said that the two CNE Directors that are not pro-Chavez were not allowed in the totalling of the data of the CNE. There was no audit of the paper ballots and this was a gigantic fraud. Nothing yet from OAS and the Carter Center. I hear two different rumors, one that at ten AM ther willbe a press conference, two, that OAS may leave the country without saying anything a la Peru. Very sad and confusing outcome. This is the worst possible. The Cd also said they will ask for the addition of all paper ballots printed by the voting machines.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 08/16/2004 10:51 Comments || Top||

#7  Former Prez Carter has endored the Chavez victory.
Posted by: mhw || 08/16/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||


Europe
The New Europe: new Euro Commission leaders shift away from Germany, France
Since the European Union's birth almost 50 years ago, the Franco-German axis has been driving its agenda. So when the new president of the European Commission announced the composition of his Commission late last week, it marked the end of an era. yes - but it didn't get much press here. wonder why???

As Jose Manuel Barroso read the names of the Commissioners he had chosen for the key portfolios, it became clear that the center of gravity has shifted. France and Germany are no longer calling the shots. Almost none of the duo's central demands were met while all important economic positions went to avowed free-marketers.

It all began when 10 new members, mostly from the former Communist East, joined the EU in May. In contrast to Paris and Berlin, the newcomers pursue largely free-market policies and support the U.S. war in Iraq. Heralding that tectonic shift in the balance of power was Mr. Barroso's own nomination in June. France and Germany had pushed for Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt. Particularly in foreign policy, Belgium had been toeing the Franco-German line.

But in this new Europe, Portugal's Prime Minister was chosen instead. With his free-market credentials and support of the U.S. war in Iraq, it was hard to imagine a greater setback for the Franco-German ambitions in Europe than Mr. Barroso's nomination. But last week it got even worse for Berlin and Paris.

When they couldn't push through Mr. Verhofstadt, France and Germany demanded to be compensated with key economic posts.
France lobbied hard to get the competition position, probably the most important portfolio. Paris has had many run-ins with current Competition Commissioner Mario Monti, who tried to curtail the billions of euros of illegal subsides propping up ailing French national champions.

But the job went to Neelie Kroes-Smit from the Netherlands. The 63-year-old Ms. Kroes-Smit belongs to the free-market Liberal Party and as transport minister in the 1980s supervised the privatization of the former state-owned postal and telephone monopoly Dutch PTT. French Commissioner Jacques Barrot, meanwhile, received the rather minor transport portfolio (from which energy policy was subtracted and handed to a Hungarian). Heh

Berlin didn't fare much better. Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder had wanted his man, GÃŒnter Verheugen, to become a kind of "super commissioner," responsible not only for industrial policy but also for overseeing competition, taxation and internal market polices. In the end, he got just the industrial policy portfolio and lacks any of the special powers Mr. Schroeder craved.

Britain was the only big country to receive an important portfolio, underlining its central role in this new Europe. Fancy that! Peter Mandelson, a close ally of Tony Blair, will be responsible for trade. The important internal market position went to Ireland's former Finance Minister Charlie McCreevy. What better man to tear down the last obstacles to free trade and the free movement of capital and people in Europe than the man whose supply-side policies helped steer Ireland toward 8% growth rates?

Taxation was split off from internal markets portfolio and given to Latvia's Ingrida Udre. Mr. Barroso could have hardly sent a clearer message to France and Berlin that they are wasting everybody's time with their calls for a Europe-wide minimum tax to stop tax competition from the East. Chuckle Latvia adopted a 25% flat tax almost 10 years ago and experienced economic growth rates averaging over 6% during the past five years.

Our only concern would be with the appointment of Benita Ferrero-Waldner as external affairs commissioner. We are not sure whether Austria's foreign minister is best qualified for Europe's most important foreign policy need, repairing relations with the U.S. We hope that Mr. Barosso's own strong belief in the importance of the trans-Atlantic relations will prevail.

That aside, clearly the U.S., and Europe itself, will be dealing with a very different Commission in the months ahead.
Posted by: too true || 08/16/2004 6:25:10 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What happens if Europe really does get its act together. We may never get a vacation.
Posted by: Lucky || 08/16/2004 20:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Perhaps if the EU superentity was as democratic as the member states France and Germany could use their larger populations to ensure some positions.
Posted by: Yank || 08/16/2004 20:19 Comments || Top||


Olympics: Public "Staying Away in Droves"
Games chiefs ready to give away tickets
By Paul Hayward in Athens
The Olympics came home to Greece at the weekend but nobody was in. Three days into the 28th modern Olympiad, officials in Athens are under pressure from the International Olympic Committee to paper the city with free tickets if necessary to solve the growing crisis of low turn-outs. Broadcasters cringed as television audiences around the world saw tennis, weightlifting, hockey and gymnastics played out in half-empty stadiums. Even last night's main attraction - the clash of the two young Titans of the pool, Ian Thorpe and Michael Phelps - failed to sell out as Athenians declined to buy into the rhetoric of the great Olympic homecoming. Many have supported a more modern Greek tradition by fleeing to the holiday islands.

(more)
Posted by: mojo || 08/16/2004 12:32:00 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Maybe they're afraid of becoming convenient terrorist targets. Putting enough people in one spot would definitely get a terrorist's attention...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 08/16/2004 13:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Its also possible Americans are staying away because they were warned not to appear to American and because they've been reading about how much the Europeans hate us for over a year now.

The attendence has been falling for the last two olympics. Terrorism has something to do with it, but that's only part of the answer because the South Korean olympics had lower numbers than expected and that was pre 9/11.
Posted by: yank || 08/16/2004 13:47 Comments || Top||

#3  200 Euro for swimming tickets. Thanks but *definitely* no thanks. Will go and watch some baseball instead (Greece-Japan), which only costs 15 Euro.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 08/16/2004 13:47 Comments || Top||

#4  I saw some rowing heats and it was like a mile of empty bleachers befor coming to the finish line. Where the bleachers had about twenty raving fanatics.

I can't fault Greece for any of this. The Olympic bigshots have taken a once incredible event, that celebrated amatuer athletics and somewhat obscure events, and turned it into a stupid Super Bowl half time show. I saw the Mens road race through a sleeping city that could care less though. That race should have been out in the country side with a finish at some important spot.

US media has been guilty for twenty years into turning the event into a PC beauty contest, suited more for women then sports fans.
Posted by: Lucky || 08/16/2004 13:53 Comments || Top||

#5  Rush Limbaugh noted that if al-Queda fielded a team, the ratings would skyrocket...
Posted by: Seafarious || 08/16/2004 13:59 Comments || Top||

#6  Biggest single factor, IMO: drug cheats. Who honestly isn't a cynic nowadays as regards athletes taking performance enhancing drugs? Hardly anyone. So what's the point going out to watch the sports when it seems half the time the winners fail a drugs test at some point down the line...? The scandal involving Kostas Kenteris and Katerina Thanou has probably put the final nail in this Olympiad's coffin by reducing locals' turnout. I expect many Greeks are mighty pissed off.
Posted by: Bulldog || 08/16/2004 14:04 Comments || Top||

#7  Its also possible Americans are staying away because they were warned not to appear to American and because they've been reading about how much the Europeans hate us for over a year now.

That's part of it, at least insofar as Americans go. Certainly, I and others I know have turned down offers to speak at technical conferences in Europe this year. Not worth the hassle. I might take up India on their request for the spring, tho ....

But lucky - what makes you think only men are sports fans? Bah.
Posted by: too true || 08/16/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||

#8  In the light of this article posted at Rantburg I might reconsider...
Posted by: True German Ally || 08/16/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||

#9  That's funny... the women's beach volleyball event looked pretty well-attended. ;)
Posted by: BH || 08/16/2004 14:14 Comments || Top||

#10  That's funny... the women's beach volleyball event looked pretty well-attended. ;)

No! I still saw some empty seats. Couldn't believe it!
Posted by: Bulldog || 08/16/2004 14:27 Comments || Top||

#11  Maybe the men were....ummm.. standing up?
Posted by: True German Ally || 08/16/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#12  Many have supported a more modern Greek tradition by fleeing to the holiday islands.

Sounds like Boston during the DNC, which is what we were told to do. Then the pols all bitched afterwards that the city didn't make any money off of it because all the residents blew town.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2004 14:36 Comments || Top||

#13  As seen on Allahvision:

News Flash for Aldo Montano: if you can taste it, it ain't gold...
Posted by: mojo || 08/16/2004 15:04 Comments || Top||

#14  You've got to take the foil of first, Aldo!
Posted by: Bulldog || 08/16/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||

#15  200 Euro for swimming tickets
Geebus... screw that...

Baseball is your best entertainment value.
Posted by: Shipman || 08/16/2004 15:22 Comments || Top||

#16  I checked it out: ALL female beach volleyball games are sold out (not the male ones).

Sorry Athens...

They still have tickets for the closing ceremony: 500 or 750 Euro....
Posted by: True German Ally || 08/16/2004 15:45 Comments || Top||

#17  Drug scandals combined with Olympic committe bribery scandals and the whole thing starts to look like the UN General Assembly after awhile.

No wonder few take it seriously these days.

They need to trim down the events instead of always adding new ones and they should stop playing political games with who can send athletes. Why do Puerto Rico and Palestine have teams but the Basques, Quebequios, and Kurds do not? What criteria do they use to decide?
Posted by: yank || 08/16/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||

#18  I checked it out: ALL female beach volleyball games are sold out (not the male ones).

TGA - Where were you looking? According to the official site there are seats left for every remaining session (only the greyed-out prices represent sold-out ticket types), some at the bargain price of 20 euros! Seems pretty miraculous, if you ask me!
Posted by: Bulldog || 08/16/2004 15:57 Comments || Top||

#19  ... So, Aris - get your butt to the beach! That's probably the best advice anyone'll you'll ever get from me!
Posted by: Bulldog || 08/16/2004 15:59 Comments || Top||

#20  Ahh, I thought these were for the male competitions only, obviously they apply to male and females...

Then again, I'm no longer the Olympic fan I used to be. I lost the spirit in 1972.

And seeing people applauding frenetically when the Palestinian team marched in hasn't really been that helpful.
Posted by: True German Ally || 08/16/2004 16:08 Comments || Top||

#21  And seeing people applauding frenetically when the Palestinian team marched in hasn't really been that helpful.

Well, that certainly seems to confirm a definite lack of American attendance.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2004 16:33 Comments || Top||

#22  The "palestinians" have a team? I thought you had to be a country to enter the Olympics. Who's next? The Houyhnhnms?
Posted by: BH || 08/16/2004 16:44 Comments || Top||

#23  If they rounded up all the beggars like they originally proposed, they could be sued as an audience for some venues - well ventilated ones would be more appropriate. It will be sort of ironic that you can get a free ticket to an event and then be ejected for wearing a pirated tee-shirt.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/16/2004 17:08 Comments || Top||

#24  too true, but what makes you think that I think that only men are sports fans?

Was it my comment about AG Reno and her remarkable little boy thing. Wonder if Elian got any lap time with Janet before he got evaluated for the Cuban sports acadamy?

Or was it my implying that sports media marketers focus on a PC beauty contest rather than nitty gritty stuff. Sort of like the mags you seee at the checkout stands of your normal supermarket. Super models, dressed so modestly, with a headline like "Learn the 3 Things He Likes," so guys will buy the rag? "UffDa, what three things?" More a girl thing, no?

Beach volleyball? Yeah, I could believe Auziland going bonkers at such a hip, laidback, skinsy sport, But serious sport compared to say, Boxing, racing, wrestling, not for me, I'd rather watch cheerleading comp.

Bah indeed, to true. The Olympics have been PC/feminized almost to death. Of course women love sports as much as men, equal! Thats why the F#&king games aren't being watched! And as for the good sport aspects, I still think SK hates us due Apollo Ono's speed skating victory.

You want a sell out!? Try pistols at twenty paces,
or last man standing.
Posted by: Lucky || 08/16/2004 18:00 Comments || Top||

#25  Botton Line:
Without the Cold War it's Track & Field.
:(

Sometimes I miss the USSR (for about a minute)
Posted by: Shipman || 08/16/2004 18:32 Comments || Top||

#26  Heard a quote earlier today (Limbaugh?): "Can you imagine the ratings if Al-Qaeda had an Olympic team?"
Posted by: eLarson || 08/16/2004 18:39 Comments || Top||

#27  Oops... I guess it was on Limbaugh... as I would have noted had a read the rest of the posts (#5) more carefully before typing. /oops
Posted by: eLarson || 08/16/2004 18:41 Comments || Top||

#28  Ships right. Who was that one 3CP guy, "Worlds Fastest White Guy!"? Prolly finished just out of the medals?

No worry eLarson, Seafarious is a girl and could care less about sports.)
Posted by: Lucky || 08/16/2004 19:34 Comments || Top||

#29  We'll see... maybe these games will get their due late... maybe during the Marathon!

Aris how come they didn't (or did they?) use the original route? Hell it seem purdy damn natural for PR to me.
Posted by: Shipman || 08/16/2004 19:43 Comments || Top||

#30  The games are still fun for me to watch. I like to compare successful athletic attitudes against attitudes that that guarantee failure. Usually, I use the USA men's gymnastics team in the summer games and watch the USA men's figure-skating team a case studies in doom.
Allow me to provide an example. This summer two of the USA men's gymnasts found out in practice that several elements of their high-bar routines weren't going to be graded as highly as anticipated. Faced with this eventuality, one gymnast, Blaine Wilson, who I have been watching for three Olympics, decided that he would replace the element with the most difficult element he could come up with, one that I'm pretty sure he never successfully completed in practice. The result of his strategy was a flying face plant that knocked him out of the pommel horse as well as his sub-9 score on the bar. His decision to make himself the Eddie the Eagle of the Summer Games forced another guy who had not practiced the pommel horse to step up and run a routine cold.
Team America is on again tonight. I asked my wife to tape it for me.

Note: if you want to see a successful team attitude, check out the Chinese women. After their best gymnast had a bobble on the balance beam I saw her go down to her circle of teammates and perform a silly imitation of her mistake. They all burst out in giggles. I am betting they perform pretty well under the gun.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/16/2004 21:44 Comments || Top||


French Riviera thieves clean out wealthy Arabs
Just so no one can say there's no good news out of France.
Thieves stole thousands of euros' worth of jewellery and cash from guests staying at a luxury French Riviera hotel on the weekend, striking several times in the same night in a major embarrassment to the property's managers. The criminals hit Saturday night, targeting the Noga Hilton in the ritzy coastal resort town of Cannes, police said. Three rooms were burglarised, netting the thieves USD 210,000 (EUR 160,000) in cash and jewellery from one suite being used by Saudis related to their country's defence minister, Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz, and USD 10,000 and passports from two other rooms occupied by Kuwaitis.
Ok, the first thing that popped into my mind, how many passports?
The hotel's management confirmed that "some clients have reported thefts and a police inquiry is under way," but refused to give further details. The police were trying to determine whether any of the crimes were an "inside" job.
Posted by: Steve || 08/16/2004 10:24:18 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Is Cary Grant still alive?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 08/16/2004 10:37 Comments || Top||

#2  A statistical happenstance. Incidences of this sort of crime on the French Riviera is astronomical.
Posted by: Bulldog || 08/16/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Correct Bulldog. I spent 5 days in Nice and left without my belongings. Had to explain over and over to the gendarme, that, no, this has never happened to me in America. She was, shall we say, disbelieving.
Posted by: Doolittle || 08/16/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Gotta love a good cat-burglar...
Posted by: mojo || 08/16/2004 12:02 Comments || Top||

#5  I am on zee case!
Posted by: Inspector Clouseau || 08/16/2004 12:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Why on Earth would anyone steal Saudi passports? Carrying one gets you extra scrutiny at borders these days, and its not likely to get you welcomed at home, either.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/16/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#7  I bet a Saudi passport works wonders in the Northwest Frontier.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/16/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#8  A Soddy passport could get you a room with an Eastern view at every five-star hotel on the globe, or across the border and into most of the sandy spots.
Posted by: Seafarious || 08/16/2004 14:35 Comments || Top||


France marks the 'other D-Day'
A naval display off the French Riviera has capped two days of celebrations to honour Allied veterans who liberated southern France during World War II. French President Jacques Chirac and the leaders of 14 African states that contributed troops to the 1944 invasion attended the ceremony. Mr Chirac was joined by African leaders aboard the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle for the climax to the ceremony.
I hope they got tested for radiation poisoning, I wouldn’t want to be w/in at least 10K miles of that rusting piece of junk.
The two major Western allies - the UK and the US - had sent lower-ranking delegations to the ceremonies, both UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and Vice-President Dick Cheney declining the invitation. Mr Chirac told their representatives France "will never forget the blood spilled by your children for liberty".
Posted by: anonymous2u || 08/16/2004 12:48:07 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mr Chirac told their representatives France "will never forget the blood spilled by your children for liberty".

When they liberated you, I don't think they intended to have their children die later.
Posted by: Charles || 08/16/2004 2:10 Comments || Top||

#2  We shoulda sent Tommy Franks. He coulda told the frogs we still do the liberation thing but only twice for one country.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 08/16/2004 8:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Question, is the DeGaul truly "rusting". I would have thought it'd spent enough time in dry dock to be well clear of rust. Piece of junk I have no problem with, and I agree with the 10 klicks as well, but I would think rusting is probably inaccurate.
Posted by: yank || 08/16/2004 9:47 Comments || Top||

#4  If it's ferrous and in salt water, it's rusting.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 08/16/2004 9:54 Comments || Top||

#5  My High School math teacher participated in that invasion. He said they called it the ‘Champaign Campaign’ because there was little resistance. He did mention that the French women were very ‘grateful’ to the troops.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/16/2004 10:21 Comments || Top||

#6  It was nothing compared to the Moonshine War.
Or was that the Whiskey Rebellion?
and
Who Dumped the Gin into the Creek?
(Shall We Gather By The River)
Posted by: A Alda || 08/16/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||

#7  #4 Ferrous and rusting? Only if ze French forgot to attach ze sacrificial zinc anodes.
Posted by: penguin || 08/16/2004 16:22 Comments || Top||


New U.N. Official Assumes Kosovo Control
The new U.N. administrator for Kosovo took control Sunday of the Serbian province, which has remained deeply divided along ethnic lines since the end of a 1999 war.
"Waiter! More escargot to celebrate the arrival of our new administrator!"
Soren Jessen-Petersen, a Danish refugee expert and former European Union representative to Macedonia, was named to the post June 16 by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan. On arriving in Kosovo on Sunday, he pledged to work for peace. "I firmly believe that Kosovo is the last piece in a puzzle taking the western Balkans from the conflicts of the 1990s toward normalization, stabilization and European integration," he said.
"Visa, Mastercard or UN chit, sir?"
"The usual, man, the usual."
Jessen-Petersen replaces Harri Holkeri, a former Finnish prime minister, who resigned because of ill health in May. Hokeri served for less than a year, but his tenure saw Kosovo was wracked by violence.
Certainly made his mark, didn't he?
Jessen-Petersen, a lawyer, served as assistant high commissioner for the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees from January 1998 to December 2001. He became chairman of an EU initiative to manage population movements in the western Balkans and since February has been the EU special representative to neighboring Macedonia.
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Fifth Column
Kerry photo in Ho Chi Minh City museum
It seems to be from '93 though--about two decades after his treason.
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#1  Kerry photo in Cambodia
Posted by: ed || 08/16/2004 8:56 Comments || Top||


Newsweek lies
Hat tip LGF.
Aug. 23 issue - Foreigners are not strangers to the old spice shop on Genoa's Via del Campo. The narrow little street near the port was first built up during the Crusades. In legend and song, it's glorified as a place where people on the edges of society find their way, and for several decades many of those people have been North African. But when a couple of middle-aged men walked into the shop the other day and asked for some dried fruits in Arabic instead of Italian, the old woman behind the counter blew up. "If they talk their language, then we talk our language!" she shouted—in a Genoese dialect which even many Italians wouldn't understand.
Yeah, speak English, lady!
Such outbursts aren't unique to exasperated shopkeepers. Resentment of immigrants, along with fear of Muslim terrorists, is fueling intolerance almost everywhere in Europe. Some incidents, like recent desecrations of Muslim and Jewish graves in France, draw wide attention. But Italy is fast acquiring a reputation for pervasive racism that's at once more passive and more passionate than elsewhere.
So says a smug Newsweek columnist.

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Posted by: Korora || 08/16/2004 12:03:04 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I find it kind of interesting that Newsweek condones colonization as long as Third Worlders are colonizing European countries. Will Newsweek stand up for the right of Europeans to swarm into Third World countries without limitations on their right to hold property or to abide by local customs and religions? Does Newsweek know that foreigners are not allowed to own property in many Third World countries?
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/16/2004 0:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Newsweek? I always thought it was Newsweak!

Perhaps Newsleak or NewsSheik could work.
Posted by: B || 08/16/2004 0:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Isn't this that EurodickproPaleo idotrarian Christopher Dickey? I believe this is his article that attacks Oriana Fallaci for writing the truth about radical islam (even before the 911 commission came to the same conclusion). Go Oriana and Go Shoplady!
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 08/16/2004 3:35 Comments || Top||

#4 
Moslem radicals who wanted to drag the West into a war against Moslem fanaticism imagined that Western casualties would compel the West to fear and respect Moslems. They did not foresee the Western tidal waves of contempt, mockery, revulsion, suspicion and criticism that would flood over Moslems everywhere, but especially over Moslems living in the West.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 08/16/2004 8:22 Comments || Top||

#5  I agree with Mike's post 100%.
Posted by: yank || 08/16/2004 9:59 Comments || Top||

#6  Moslem radicals who wanted to drag the West into a war against Moslem fanaticism imagined that Western casualties would compel the West to fear and respect Moslems.

Wretchard has the answer to that:
The concept of assymetric warfare was supposed to exploit the "fact" that transnational terrorist organizations operating in areas of chaos could strike at a civilization hamstrung by constraints. They could attack orphanages and then seek shelter in the Church of the Nativity; they could fly wide bodied aircraft into Manhattan, then seek shelter in "sovereign" Afghanistan; they could call for the death of millions from the pulpits of Qom; they could fire mortars from the Imam Ali Shrine and never expect the favor to be returned.

But the logical flaw in this conception was that civilization could put aside these constraints in a moment. Hiroshima and Dresden are reminders that it could.
Posted by: Steve || 08/16/2004 10:24 Comments || Top||

#7  But when a couple of middle-aged men walked into the shop the other day and asked for some dried fruits in Arabic instead of Italian, the old woman behind the counter blew up. "If they talk their language, then we talk our language!" she shouted—in a Genoese dialect which even many Italians wouldn’t understand.

Such outbursts aren’t unique to exasperated shopkeepers. Resentment of immigrants, along with fear of Muslim terrorists, is fueling intolerance almost everywhere in Europe.


WTF is this idiot talking about? It isn't unreasonable to expect that someone living in Italy be expected to speak Italian to the local shopkeepers. A tourist might be forgiven for being unable to speak the language, but not residents (assuming that the individuals in question are indeed residents). I go through that same crap here with Mexican immigrants; on the street someone will say something to me or ask a question in Spanish and I will more often than not shoot them a dirty look followed by "what?", at which point they will either speak accented/broken English. Relatively speaking, I'd have a lot more respect for them if an effort was made to communicate in English at the outset but that never happens.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 08/16/2004 13:59 Comments || Top||

#8  B-a-R, I was in Tuscany a couple years back (hmmmm, Tuscany in August, beautiful!). I don't speak a word of Italian, but fortunately many Italians speak English. I was there two weeks, and even as a tourist, I made a concerted effort with my pidgin Italian. And I was humble. It's their country. In return, every single Italian I met was polite, generous and helpful. I'm just betting that the shop lady in this story would have been equally kind and courteous to me had I walked into her store.

And I bet that a Muslim immigrant with MY attitude -- humility, willingness to work on the language, courtesy -- also wouldn't have a problem with Shop Lady.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/16/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||

#9  I go by I am a guest in your country attitude. I attempt to communicate in that countries language and quietly enjoy myself. Nothing worse than loud tourists and surly imigrants (illegal mexican imigrants.)

What I don't get is often these people will boldly tell you it's better where they cam from. If that is so WTF are they here for? I imagine the italian BS detector goes off around lots of imigrant types.
Posted by: Flamebait93268 || 08/16/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||

#10  I spent a wonderful week in Rome several years ago. I did my best to speak Italian, with the help of four years of Latin. I ate in the regular shops with regular people. I bought and wore a scarf like the natives that January, at which point the gypsies stopped hasseling me. I was treated wonderfully and I was happy and humble and glad to be a guest.
Posted by: Sgt. D.T. || 08/16/2004 16:35 Comments || Top||

#11  Much of this anger and fear, across southern Europe, is a hangover from the careless complacency of the recent past. These countries, which sent economic and political emigrants across the world for a century or more, began attracting net immigration only in the last three decades: Italy in 1972, Spain and Greece in 1975 and Portugal in 1981, according to a study from Sussex University. And few people expected the immigrants to stay. But many did.

Unlike America which embraced its immigrant populations (albeit with some notable exceptions) to a much greater extent. Exactly how am I supposed to feel sorry for Europe after it has sheltered some of the most vicious radicals, left disaffected populations completely unmonitored and essentialy ghettoized much of their own foreign nationals?
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2004 17:11 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Kerry Encapsulates Self Loathing AntiAmericanism of the Left.
The fact is that the press killed the Dean candidacy and created Kerry's. They have far too much of themselves invested to simply let it go at this point, or worse, contribute to their own choice's downfall - and in the case of the Boston Globe, for one, almost literally lessening the value of their own stock. It goes against human nature. John Kerry is far too perfect a candidate for many on the Left to let go - the veteran who turned against his own, the perfect encapsulation of a generation's self-loathing, the man who can speak as a soldier while so many of their own can't while at the same time legitimizing their own anti-military-America-can-do-no-right impulses. Will they ever understand why so many of Kerry's own peers loathe this man? It's not likely. For many, it is utterly unfathomable that a man that trumpeted the uncritically accepted narrative of America-as-evildoer in Vietnam may be viewed as anything other than a hero. Such a viewpoint is an understood truism of a certain class of Northeastern Liberal Elite entrenched firmly in the dominant media culture. So one may understand how, even with over 250 of Kerry's peers on the record viewing the Senator as not a hero, but a backstabber, there is some major league denial going on in editorial boards across the nation.
Sorry to post from a blog - but this was a good read. Besides..it'd be pretty tough to find any MM quotes on this subject...just for the very reasons stated above.
Posted by: B || 08/16/2004 12:06:58 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "...over 250 of Kerry’s peers on the record viewing the Senator as not a hero, but a backstabber..."

I seem to recall the technical term we used in the Army back in those days for someone like Kerry was "buddyf*cker."

That, and "glorygrabber."
Posted by: Dave D. || 08/16/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#2  The New England Republican has a good comparison of the MSM's handling of the Bush AWOL item and the MSM's complete disregard of Kerry's Cambodia lie.

Those questions take up 37 minutes of a 45 minute press conference. The transcript shows the tenacity with which the press corp handled the AWOL controversy but it doesn't even begin to show the contempt some of the reporters displayed for McClellan and the President. The attitude and disrespect from some of the reporters is unbelievable.

Can you imagine the reporters following the Kerry campaign covering the Christmas in Cambodia story like this? Of course it would be nice if they covered it at all!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 08/16/2004 14:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Good blog comment.

Self-loathing (hating oneself, shrinking from the essence of one's own being) can only be accomplished with the permission of a self which thinks it is guilty and irredeemable. There is one solution to this trap--fashioning oneself into a hero so that one can fake self-esteem in the eyes of one's peers and feel worthy and valuable.

Hmmm-I hadn't thought of it before, but this mindset bears something in common to that of suicide bombers, doesn't it?
Posted by: jules 187 || 08/16/2004 15:16 Comments || Top||

#4  I think these two episodes-- the "Bush AWOL" fracas and the Swiftboat Vets accusations-- are a good illustration of not just media bias, but of outright media dishonesty and connivance between the media and the Democratic Party.

Someone ought to write a book and lay it all out.
Posted by: Dave D. || 08/16/2004 15:27 Comments || Top||

#5  Lead by Kerry, these liberal loons are dissing our Vietnam vets a second time. Anyone watch the asshole James Carville, Lanny Davis, and Chris Matthews? How dare these losers accuse the swift boat vets for truth of being liars?
Posted by: Capt America || 08/16/2004 15:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Here is a partial transcript of Carvelle, and Davis on Crossfire attacking O'Neil rather than dealing with the substance of his claims.
Posted by: yank || 08/16/2004 15:52 Comments || Top||

#7  "Anyone watch the asshole James Carville, Lanny Davis, and Chris Matthews?"

No. I keep a gun in the house, and my impulse control really isn't all that terrific; if I watched shows featuring any of those vile cretins I'd soon have a 9mm hole in my TV set.
Posted by: Dave D. || 08/16/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#8  I heartily approve, Dave D. Used to do the same thing whenever I saw Robert Goulet on the screen. The man didn't even know the words to the Star-Spangled Banner...
(fades back to Parts Unknown...)
Posted by: Elvis || 08/16/2004 16:25 Comments || Top||

#9  A perspective if you please: If 80% of the Management at Halliburton claimed that Dick Cheney was incompetent, would the press attack them? Would they call their charges irrelevant? I saw the Dick Cavette debate on CSPAN this weekend and Kerry could not defend his position! What really stuck in my mind was the point about flood refugees from Laos and Cambodia. I am paraphrasing: “If we were really evil in the minds of the civilian population, why didn’t they flee to the Viet Cong (instead of from)?” Come to think of it I can’t think of one instance where people fled to Communists country. The exception being North Koreans fleeing to the PRC.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/16/2004 16:39 Comments || Top||

#10  Not that there's anything wrong with self-lothing of course.
Posted by: El Kapo Americano || 08/16/2004 19:49 Comments || Top||


WSJ on Kerry: Holiday In Cambodia
Posted by: Frank G || 08/16/2004 10:12 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Kerry's Brief Brotherhood
In the last few days, there's been a new accusation floating around the Internet about John Kerry's Vietnam record. It involves speculation that David Alston, one of the "band of brothers" who served on board Kerry's Swift Boat, did not actually serve with Kerry at all. If such a story were true, it would be sensational news, given that Alston has made extensive public statements, including a speech at the Democratic National Convention, about his time with Kerry. The only problem is, it's not true. Alston did indeed serve under Kerry.

But the attention the rumor brought to Alston and his service aboard Kerry's boat, PCF-94, has cast new light on the time the men were together. And it appears that while Alston was in fact on board PCF-94 when Kerry was in command, his total time of service under Kerry was quite brief — perhaps as little as seven days. According to records of Kerry's service posted on his campaign's website, it appears the two men were in actual combat together on two of those days.

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Posted by: Steve || 08/16/2004 9:04:43 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Captain's Quarters blog has been following this particular sub-story extensively.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/16/2004 11:49 Comments || Top||


BUSH: THE MISSING YEARS
Posted by: tipper || 08/16/2004 02:53 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Someone should ask him a question in Arabic—bet you he'd answer it."

Or ask John Kerry a question in Vietnamese and he would answer it. But all this does is let the cat out of the bag. Now, I, the troll and Anon6936677845321 have to find new identies since our time in the 70's have been revealed. If only Bush had forgot about the God@#$% cowboy boots and stoved the Rebel Yell!!
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 08/16/2004 3:45 Comments || Top||

#2  The GQ article is a prank.... Do the google search.
Posted by: 3dc || 08/16/2004 3:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah, we saw this last week. He kept us safe from the Allman Brothers.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2004 8:55 Comments || Top||


More quantitative models predict Bush victory
Shhh! Let's not disturb lefty overconfidence.
Posted by: someone || 08/16/2004 2:20:39 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The law of large numbers provides assurance that quantitative models can be developed showing a Kerry win also.
Posted by: mhw || 08/16/2004 8:42 Comments || Top||

#2  They must have included Kerry's Blah blah blah count in the formula.
Posted by: crazyhorse || 08/16/2004 9:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Here's an NYT interview with Ray Fair (registration probably required) properly identified as being with Yale, not Harvard as in the Sun article. Note that Fair is a Kerry suporter as all the other academics probably are, especially in NY.

These models seem to focus on economic and polling data taken substantially before the election. The assumption is that people vote with their pocket books and know the candidates positions pretty well before the campaigning starts. This seems to be a reasonable asumption.

A truly interesting test of the model, unlikely to ever be made, would be for the leader in the forecast to stop TV advertising as soon as the model projections come out. This could save a lot of money and create a lot of positive publicity and press coverage.

Nonetheless, it is hard to imagine that the election results are impervious to exogenous variables in the interim such as a successful attack by Baathists freeing Saddam from captivity, a Chinese invasion of Taiwan or an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel.

OTOH, it's the economy, stupid!
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 08/16/2004 9:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Hari Seldon's psychohistorical analysis predicts that it doesn't matter who wins, the Islamofacists will still hate the US and the Europeans will still look down on the US and the US will get tired of the whole thing and return to a form of isolationism.
Posted by: yank || 08/16/2004 15:41 Comments || Top||


Pro-Troop Organization Set to Fight Back
In just three weeks, thousands of Republican delegates from around America will descend upon New York City for the 2004 Republican National Convention. While convention delegates will announce their support for the re-election of President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, another constituency will also be making its way to New York with a very different agenda. Anti-war organizations have been planning for several months to organize the largest anti-war rally in U.S. history. And thousands of these "Blame America First" organizers have already arrived in New York, conducting meetings on how to disrupt the Republican National Convention and sabotage the message of support for our troops and the war on terrorism.
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Posted by: tipper || 08/16/2004 12:32:01 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  yawn. One million. Yeah, right. Grandiose dreams are the sign of a deranged mind.

Go home and go to bed, Grandma… the Vietnam War’s been over for 30 years…long enough for your children to become “the establishment”. You are embarrassing your grandchildren. Go home!
Posted by: B || 08/16/2004 0:42 Comments || Top||

#2  I believe the largest anti-war demonstration in NYC history was the 1863 Draft Riots.

No doubt, many among the LLL would love to trash Manhattan 'for peace' and possibly even lynch some 'neo-cons', again strictly for peace, you understand.
Posted by: JDB || 08/16/2004 1:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Remember, the dumber they look, the more votes we get.

Go moonbats go!
Posted by: someone || 08/16/2004 2:06 Comments || Top||

#4  http://RNCWatch.typepad.com/
Monitoring security procedures and items prohibited from bringing in to the RNC convention – urges supporters to work around these rules, follow and harass and intimidate convention delegates. Also urges members to occupy housing arrangements made by pro-troop organization “Protest Warrior.”


This one is the most worrying, and probably qualifies as harassment for crimnal offense purposes ... the legality of the postering is in doubt, based on the number of Post No Bills signs I see ...
Posted by: Edward Yee || 08/16/2004 4:24 Comments || Top||

#5  Actually it's consparacy to commit a criminal act. If you cross a state boundary to do it; it is a federal offence. It can be a federal civil rights violation.
Posted by: Flamebait93268 || 08/16/2004 5:34 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Anarchists' Convention Debates Voting
A group of anarchists is taking an unusual step to make its political voice heard — going to the polls. Anarchists generally pride themselves on their rejection of government and its authority. But a faction of them fed up with the war in Iraq say they plan to cast anti-Bush votes this fall. The voting debate was just one of the topics explored at the three-day North American Anarchist Convergence,
Bwahahahah
which brought about 175 participants
Wow! I'm sure those voices will be heard over the cacophony of other moonbats
to Ohio University. Some attendees rejected the voting proposal. "Ultimately, those who are voting are either bad anarchists or not anarchists at all," said Lawrence, a "Californian in his mid-40s" who declined to give his last name. "No one can represent my interests. We reject political professionals."
Then what the hell is he doing at a conference?
Posted by: Spot || 08/16/2004 1:25:07 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  which brought about 175 participants

...bringing 176 political agendas.
Posted by: BH || 08/16/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#2  ...which represents an all-time low for the conference. Normally the agenda-to-attendee ratio never drops below 3.2 to 1...
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/16/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||

#3  Anarchists Unclear on the Concept.
Posted by: mojo || 08/16/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||

#4  North American Anarchist Convergence

Sounds like flies on shit...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2004 15:34 Comments || Top||

#5  ...or herding cats.
Posted by: Bulldog || 08/16/2004 15:38 Comments || Top||

#6  When the anarchists are in town, be sure to padlock your bicycle and loose your German Shepherd in the vegatible garden.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/16/2004 17:10 Comments || Top||

#7  if your a true anarchists then how can you support kerry??

anarchists for kerry unite!
Posted by: Dan || 08/16/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#8  North American Anarchist Convergence

Well, what did you expect, tu3031? They had a convergence. It's not like they're going to register for seminars and all that. I picture all of them on different street corners around the town, raving about their individual agendas and then going home without actually ever having gathered in one particular place.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2004 19:38 Comments || Top||

#9  This kind of reminds me of the episode of The Simpsons where Ned Flanders is institutionalized. While discussing his childhood with a psychiatrist, Ned recalls a scene where his beatnik parents took him to a child psychiatrist. His father told the doctor "We've tried nothing and we're out of ideas."
Posted by: Tibor || 08/16/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||

#10  tibor...lol!
Posted by: B || 08/16/2004 20:42 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Tech
Fuel Cells smaller than a pencil eraser
EFL

'Cool' fuel cells could revolutionize Earth's energy resources
UH researchers developing efficient, practical power source alternatives
HOUSTON, July 22, 2004 [just saw this refered to on another site] — As temperatures soar this summer, so do electric bills. Researchers at the University of Houston are striving toward decreasing those costs with the next revolution in power generation.
Imagine a power source so small, yet so efficient, that it could make cumbersome power plants virtually obsolete while lowering your electric bill [this is a little misleading- the technology is for electricity storage not generation - one reason we have big power plants is for the economies of scale in controlling pollution- you still have to generate electricity somehow]. A breakthrough in thin film solid oxide fuel cells (SOFCs) is currently being refined in labs at the University of Houston, making that dream a reality.

Originating from research at UH's Texas Center for Superconductivity and Advanced Materials (TcSAM), these SOFCs of the "thin film" variety are both efficient and compact. With potential ranging from use in the government in matters of defense and space travel to driving forces in the consumer market that include computers and electricity, this breakthrough carries tremendous impact.

Posted by: mhw || 08/16/2004 12:24:33 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  MHW,

No, this technology is for electric generation, not storage.

One thing the article does not address is the fuel source:

1. Natural gas supplies in this country are becoming very tight. Just witness the rise of prices on NYMEX over the past few years, especially the winter spikes.

2. No one has come up with the magic answer as to the economical production and transport of hydrogen.
Posted by: dreadnought || 08/16/2004 12:38 Comments || Top||

#2  “the technology is for electricity storage not generation”

According to the linked article, the FUEL-cells that the University of Houston is working on will use NATURAL GAS to generate electricity. Advanced nano materials mean fuel cells are getting smaller, more efficient, and operate at lower temperatures.

Here’s another link on a coal burning fuel cell:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-05/ou-ppc052903.php
Project pairs coal with fuel cells to create cleaner, more efficient power

So fuel cells are used for generating power and are now looking very promising due to advances in material science.
Posted by: Anonymous5032 || 08/16/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#3  This is good news:
1) f*ck the Saooodis
2) decentralized power generation (less vulnerable to attack; more efficient)
3) generate hydrogen by solar electrolysis of water (store and burn later)
4) f*ck the Saooodis.
Posted by: Spot || 08/16/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#4  decentralized power generation (less vulnerable to attack; more efficient)

Excellent idea in theory but as things stand today, regulatory burdens & entrenched bureaucracies will prevent it from ever happening on a large scale. I recall a few cases here in CA where folks were generating enough to essentially take themselves off of the grid but wanted to be connected as a backup. The power companies fought them tooth & nail citing safety & reliability concerns. IIRC one well-publicized case where the homeowner finally prevailed, required the expendature of upwards of six figures on additional equipment mandated by the power company as a condition of being tied into the grid & a like amount on legal fees & navigation of the regulatory process.
Posted by: AzCat || 08/16/2004 14:47 Comments || Top||

#5  The cheapest way to distribute hydrogen is to not distribute it. Distribute the electricity and make the hydrogen on site through electrolysis of water.

I'm not sure that hydrogen use will ever make sense though... it's currently denser and easier to store energy in the form of syntetic fuels than it is to store hydrogen.

Regardless if they can figure out how to mass produce these thin film fuel cells cheaply their use would explode over night... especially since their efficiency is based on their material structure and not based on efficencies of scale which require power plants to generally be huge, expensive and located far away from where the power is used.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 08/16/2004 14:49 Comments || Top||

#6  AzCat, are you sure those lawsuits weren't over the fact that the power producing locations wanted to sell their power back to the grid (run their meter in reverse) and not that they wanted to produce their own power and use the grid as backup? There are many many homes and businesses that produce their own power all over the country (especially in california)... sounds like the lawsuit isn't quite what you made it out to be.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 08/16/2004 14:52 Comments || Top||

#7  decentralized power generation (less vulnerable to attack; more efficient)


ITYM "less efficient". Look up "economies of scale" and ponder the question of which is easier to move: electromotive force or the equivalent power in fuel.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/16/2004 15:30 Comments || Top||

#8  Al-co-hol, folks. Lotsa hydrogen in booze. C6-H12-O6 IIRC, or is that sugar?
Posted by: mojo || 08/16/2004 15:33 Comments || Top||

#9  Where ya gonna get the alcohol? Sure, sugars and fermentation are cheap and easy, but then you gotta distill it, and THAT takes energy.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/16/2004 16:04 Comments || Top||

#10  C6-H12-O6 IIRC, or is that sugar?

It's sugar. But lots o' hydrogen in that, too.
Posted by: eLarson || 08/16/2004 16:22 Comments || Top||

#11  Fuel Cells smaller than a pencil eraser

Fine, but who needs a hydrogen powered pencil?

generate hydrogen by solar electrolysis of water

Not efficient. Solar collection simply requires covering too much surface area with photovoltaics, mirrors, whatever. Nuclear is much more effective, although fusion would be even better.

The cheapest way to distribute hydrogen is to not distribute it. Distribute the electricity and make the hydrogen on site through electrolysis of water.

Nope. Transmission losses and economy of scale makes this totally unworkable. Imagine a car with water in the fuel tank and solar cells on the roof. I'd estimate about a one mile travel radius at best.

Al-co-hol, folks. Lotsa hydrogen in booze.

Nope. Growing all of that vegatative mass for subsequent digestion is way to labor intensive. So far, nuclear power generation coupled to bulk electrolysis facilities are the only viable option. This has been covered here many times before.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||

#12  More efficient: fuel cells are about twice as efficient at converting fuel to electricity as
combustion sources; no power loss during transmission; no need for transmission infrastructure; easily scalable.
Of course, cost and fuel are currently major impediments, but the market should eventually
make them competitive. The correct analogy is supercomputers vs. the web. The web is small, local, distributed and democratic.
Posted by: Spot || 08/16/2004 16:56 Comments || Top||

#13  no power loss during transmission; no need for transmission infrastructure; easily scalable.

Yes, but where does the hydrogen to run these small fuel cells come from in the first place? How about the initial power needed to electrolycize the water to make the hydrogen?
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2004 17:33 Comments || Top||

#14  Zenster, you completely missed my point. I'm saying produce the hydrogen at peoples homes and at refueling stations through electrolsis of water. I'm not saying produce the hydrogen in the car itself! That doesn't even make sense... why would you take electricy that you generate from solar power and convert it at a loss to hydrogen only to be converted at a loss back again to electricity to run a car that needs electricity at that moment. That's obviously not what I was talking about...
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 08/16/2004 18:07 Comments || Top||

#15  Also, the cost of generating electricity through solar power is not limited in the least by the surface area that the panels take up. The limiting factor is the cost to produce the panels, mostly in the cost of silicon. Once panels get down to about $1 a watt then solar electricity will be cheaper than nuclear, natural gas or any other form of power that we currently have. The new generation of plastic panels hitting the market now has the theoretical capability to get us down to 20 cents per watt over the next 5-10 years, assuming production yields work out the way they anticipate.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 08/16/2004 18:12 Comments || Top||

#16  It will come in the form of pellets, six days a week, do not try to story them.
Posted by: Moshe Exxon || 08/16/2004 19:51 Comments || Top||

#17  The solar powered fuel cell car was merely a logical extension to the extreme as a joke.

I'm saying produce the hydrogen at peoples homes and at refueling stations through electrolsis of water. I'm not saying produce the hydrogen in the car itself!

You still have not answered the central question, DPA. Where does the power being transmitted to the homes for electrolysis come from? That remains a critical issue. I also dispute the validity of generating hydrogen at point of use.

Electrolysis is much like any other industrial process in that it depends upon economy of scale. Just the electrical transmission losses from distributing all that power to residential hydrogen generators makes your plan unworkable. Far better to have large cracking plants making the H2.

None of this addresses the tremendous obstacle of actually storing H2 prior to use. Spherical tanks are too space consuming, metal hydride sources are not effecient enough and tubular storage tanks with a better automotive form factor are not strong enough, although progress is being made.

Until politicians from both sides of the aisle wean themselves off the big oil campaign contribution teat, no significant progress is going to be made towards a H2 economy. Americans are most likely going to die in terrorist attacks as a result of this illegitimate conflit-of-interest. I can only hope they remember at election time.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2004 20:03 Comments || Top||

#18  Zen, my point is that it's far cheaper to distribute electricity and generate the hydrogen at site than it is to distribute the hydrogen itself. If you read my post again I state further that I'm not sure it makes sense to have a hydrogen based economy for other reasons though. Once again. My only point is that it's cheaper to distribute the electricity and make hydrogen on site than it is to distribute the hydrogen. Therefore the analysis that needs to be done is what is the cheapest way to generate electricity since the hydrogen economy is based on electricity being generated in the first place. In other words, we're saying the same thing.

Btw, electrolosys requires virtually free machinery. The only real cost is the cost of the electricity. The process is no more efficient in converting water to hydrogen on a large scale than it is on a small scale (unlike most other processes). Therefore the cost to distribute the hydrogen FAR exceeds the gains of centralized hydrogen production.

You, and virtually everyone else, must stop looking at hydrogen as a power source. It, like any other fuel, is just a battery that stores power that was provided in a previous reaction. In other words gas, diesel, hydrogen, ethanol and batteries are all really the same thing with different characteristics in one major respect... the efficiency and stability of how they hold the power stored in them. The earth has been storing energy in the form of oil for billions of years and we're tapping into that battery now to run our civilization.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 08/16/2004 20:41 Comments || Top||

#19  my point is that it's far cheaper to distribute electricity and generate the hydrogen at site than it is to distribute the hydrogen itself. If you read my post again I state further that I'm not sure it makes sense to have a hydrogen based economy for other reasons though. Once again. My only point is that it's cheaper to distribute the electricity and make hydrogen on site than it is to distribute the hydrogen.

Again, I must differ with you on this. We already have an excellent gaseous medium distribution network in place, our natural gas pipelines. It is safer and more effecient to store and distribute hydrogen just like we dispense gasoline. Consolidated storage would experience less loss due to leakage. Because of its low atomic weight, hydrogen is known as a "slippery" gas. Even fully functional valving and containment undergoes leakage due to this fact. Multiplying the number of storage containers (with individual residential generators) by several millionfold only increases loss rates.

I still take issue with your response about electrical distribution losses. A centralized bulk hydrogen generating facility will be able to accept high tension lines and realize more effecient conversion rates. The need for prefiltering and general water purification prior to electrolysis, replacement of cathode and anode elements, vessel inspection and certification plus a scad of other important safety issues all point towards bulk processing. The costs associated with service and maintenance of individual residential hydrogen generators would be tremendous. This disregards entirely the intrinsic safety issues involved. Imagine the risks involved if everybody had residential bulk storage gasoline tanks. It's much the same with hydrogen. I'm confident fire prevention authorities would take a dim view of hydrogen tanks in every house and external placement is not an option for high density dwellings.

I'm not at all convinced regarding residential hydrogen generation.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2004 21:41 Comments || Top||

#20  Zen, regarding hydrogen storage, I'd imagine that residential storage would require some type of permit etc. But filling stations should be a no-brainer... especially since they already store gasoline which is far more dangerous than hydrogen (due to hydrogen's tendency to evaporate quickly leaving it unavailable for burning, as opposed to gas...).

Regarding the distribution of hydrogen. It's a gas, not a liquid. It can't be distributed with our current system. The minimum that would be required would be to liquify the hydrogen by either extreme pressure or low temps... both would require complete overhauls of our system. Not to mention the fact that the entire system would need to be air tight as hydrogen is lighter than air and will float up and opposed to flow down with gracity when air is introduced.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 08/16/2004 22:05 Comments || Top||

#21  Regarding the distribution of hydrogen. It's a gas, not a liquid. It can't be distributed with our current system.

I beg to differ:

In the USA there is 720 km of hydrogen pipeline network and in Europe about 1,500 km. Over great distances, pipeline transport of hydrogen could be an effective way of transporting energy.

The energy loss in an electric power grid can be up to 7.5-8% of the energy it is transferring. This is about double of what is needed to feed gas through a pipeline of the same length.

Hydrogen pipes that are in use today are constructed of regular pipe steel, and operate under pressure at 10-20 bar, with a diameter of 25-30 cm. The oldest existing system is found in the Ruhr area. It is 210 km long and distributes hydrogen between 18 producers and consumers. This network has been in use for 50 years without any accidents. The longest hydrogen pipeline is 400 km and runs between France and Belgium.

With little or no changes, the majority of existing steel natural gas lines can be used to transport mixtures of natural gas and hydrogen. It is also possible, with certain modifications, to use pure hydrogen in certain existing natural gas lines. This depends on the carbon levels in the pipe metal. Newer gas pipelines such as those in the North Sea, have low carbon content and are therefore suitable for transporting hydrogen. If the speed is increased by a factor of 2.8 to compensate for hydrogen having 2.8 times lower energy density per volume than natural gas, the same amount of energy can be moved. The fact is that by using efficient hydrogen technology such as fuel cells, etc., the same amount of transported energy will yield increased output at final consumption.
EMPHASIS ADDED
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2004 23:04 Comments || Top||

#22  Come on Zen... 720 km of total piping is not a distribution system... you also neglected to add that the mixing with natural gas provides for only a 15% boost in the hydrogen content of the natural gas alone. Just admit you're wrong ;)
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 08/17/2004 0:01 Comments || Top||

#23  I was not refering to existing American hydrogen pipelines. I specifically mentioned our "natural gas" distribution network. What part of:

"It is also possible, with certain modifications, to use pure hydrogen in certain existing natural gas lines."

- was unclear? As you can see from the electrical transmission loss factor (7.5-8.0%), piping out hydrogen to point-of-sale makes a lot of sense.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/17/2004 1:29 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
U.N. Condemns Massacre of Congo Refugees
UNITED NATIONS (AP) - The U.N. Security Council on Sunday condemned the massacre of at least 150 Congolese refugees at a U.N. camp in neighboring Burundi, and demanded that those responsible be brought to justice "without delay."
"Not that we have any way to do that, you understand."
Reflecting the seriousness of the killings, the council met in emergency session at the request of France to denounce Friday night's attack at the camp in Gatumba.
The French always demand a serious response.
A statement approved by the 15 council members and read by the council president, Russia's U.N. Ambassador Andrey Denisov, condemned the massacre "with the utmost firmness."
How 'bout next time protecting the refugees with the "utmost firmness"?
A Burundian Hutu rebel group, the National Liberation Forces, claimed responsibility for the slaughter attack on the camp, which sheltered Congolese Tutsis known as Banyamulenge who had fled fighting in their troubled country. Officials said Hutu extremists from Congo and Rwanda were also suspected of taking part in the raid. A spokesman for the rebels said Burundian soldiers and Congolese Tutsi militia were hiding in the refugee camp. But most of those killed appeared to be women and children.
"Yep, dem 8 year olds can be mighty tough when they gets an AK on their shoulder!"
The Security Council statement did not identify the perpetrators or the victims. Instead, the council called on the top U.N. envoy in Burundi, in consultation with the U.N. representative in Congo, "to establish the facts and report on them to the council as quickly as possible."
But don't let it disrupt lunch.
A U.N. statement issued in Burundi on Sunday, expressed "outrage" at the massacre, noting that "most of the victims were women, children and babies ... who were shot dead and burned in their shelters." The statement noted that Burundians in the refugee camp were not attacked. The U.N. Operation in Burundi also reminded the perpetrators, which include the National Liberation Front, who claimed responsibility for the attack, "that they will answer for their acts against humanity."
But not before lunch.
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#1  The U.N. Operation in Burundi also reminded the perpetrators, which include the National Liberation Front, who claimed responsibility for the attack, "that they will answer for their acts against humanity.

But not before anyone reading this dies of old age.
Posted by: jules 187 || 08/16/2004 12:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Reflecting the seriousness of the killings

as opposed to unserious killings, like Joooooos
Posted by: Frank G || 08/16/2004 12:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Outrage? You want an outrage? Try getting a table at Le Cirque 2000 or Jean Georges between 10 and 2! That's a friggin outrage!
Posted by: K. Annan || 08/16/2004 12:38 Comments || Top||

#4  Yeah, that's what the UN is best at - condemning, whining, meeting, taking bribes....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/16/2004 22:22 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
The Next Assault on American Sovereignty
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Pervert Gov.: My wife is a male American
ScrappleFace
(2004-08-16) -- New Jersey Governor James McGreevey, who last week admitted that he is an "adulterous gay American" today told a packed news conference that his wife, Dina, is "a male American."

"Despite the fact that she gave birth to our first child in December 2001, I can assure you that my wife is a male American," the governor said. "This should reassure everyone of my status as a gay American, and will silence the shameful gossip that I'm somehow not a fully-gay American."

The announcement is part of the "serious work of transition" that Mr. McGreevey said he's rushing to complete in the 91 days before his resignation takes effect on November 15. Insiders say that additional transitional announcements are forthcoming.

Mr. McGreevey said his wife has struggled with her maleness throughout her life, and especially during childbirth.

The governor added, "I can remember her--I mean him--screaming through the contractions, 'How can this be happening to me?' It took a lot of counseling after that for my wife to come to terms with her maleness, just as I have made peace with my adulterous gayness."

When asked about the sexual identity of his first wife, the governor said, "We're pretty sure she was a male American too, but that announcement will come later in the transition process. We're taking a serious, deliberate approach to ensure the stability of government in New Jersey. We must not hurry through the people's business."
Posted by: Korora || 08/16/2004 9:26:35 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I think from now on I will refer to my cats as "feline-Americans".
Posted by: Dar || 08/16/2004 9:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Mr. McGreevey said his wife has struggled with her maleness throughout her life, and especially during childbirth.

HELP!!
Posted by: Howard UK || 08/16/2004 10:01 Comments || Top||

#3  Phew... Scrappleface..
Posted by: Howard UK || 08/16/2004 10:02 Comments || Top||

#4  Strong sensation of vertigo there for a minute, huh, Howard ?

Posted by: Carl in N.H || 08/16/2004 11:52 Comments || Top||

#5  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Halfass Pete TROLL || 08/16/2004 14:10 Comments || Top||

#6  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Halfass Pete TROLL || 08/16/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||

#7  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Halfass Pete TROLL || 08/16/2004 18:00 Comments || Top||

#8  All halfasses are filthy animals and deserve to die.
Posted by: Wholeass Pedro || 08/16/2004 18:08 Comments || Top||

#9  Jeebus guys you are give
pack aniamls bad name
Posted by: Have Mule Will Travail || 08/16/2004 19:48 Comments || Top||

#10  What's been lost in all this adulterous, faggot, bullshit, is the lack of seriousness democrats have for "homeland security". This mcgreevey queer goes to Israel and meets another queer.....brings him home with him and appoints him head of "homeland security" in NJ. WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS.
Posted by: Halfass Pete || 08/16/2004 14:10 Comments || Top||

#11  And again stevey boy....the same reply to you and yours.
Posted by: Halfass Pete || 08/16/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||

#12  You feel lots of sympathy for mcgreevey, stevey BOY? Birds of a feather perhaps?
Posted by: Halfass Pete || 08/16/2004 18:00 Comments || Top||


Cowboys & wimps
Timothy Garton Ash is among the most civilized writers on international affairs, if we use the word "civilized" to denote something akin to table manners. He is well-informed and dispassionate. He is a conversationalist more than a debater, always polite in expressing disapproval, or more characteristically, associating himself with others' disapproval. As a writer, he combines that old-world charm, with a mild new-world hipness. He comments and does not advise, he has no intrusive "agenda", and because he is a very talented observer, his reports from the field are invariably worth reading.

Continued on Page 49
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