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-Lurid Crime Tales-
WATCH: George Floyd's nephew THREATENS jurors in Rittenhouse case
[The Post Millennial] Cortez Rice, the nephew of the now-deceased St. George Floyd
...the patron saint of Minneapolis, a sterling example for our children and indeed for us all. St. George was martyed by the Devil's agents in blue while standing on a street corner preaching tolerance and racial justice or something like that...
, had a chilling and threatening message for jurors currently sitting at the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse.

"I ain’t even gonna name the people that I know that’s up in the Kenosha trial. But it’s cameras in there. It’s definitely cameras up in there. There’s definitely people taking pictures of the juries and everything like that," said Rice in a video.

"We know what’s going on, so we need the same results, man. We need the same results," added Rice, who went on to name a list of people for whom he demands "justice."

It is to be assumed that the members of the jury could possibly come across Rice's tweets, as they are not currently sequestered.
Posted by: Hupusolet Smith5796 || 11/08/2021 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bring it, shitbag.

10 million Kyles out there, itching for a chance to fight back.

And they shoot straight, unlike your retarded Wakandan brethren
Posted by: Merrick Ferret || 11/08/2021 0:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Did Rittenhouse kill George Floyd?

No.

In a just universe, Floyd's nephew just begged for two in the doorag.
Posted by: Raj || 11/08/2021 0:36 Comments || Top||

#3  And if the jury somehow misses getting the message - the FBI will be ready to relay it. As long as they get the 'right' verdict.

Used to be Jury Tampering and Intimidation were Felonies.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/08/2021 1:07 Comments || Top||

#4 
Threatening or intimidating jurors is clear ground for felony arrest. If he did it across state lines or used electronic devices to do so, it becomes a Federal Felony.

So the usual question:
Why hasn't the State AG or US DOJ already brought him in for questioning / Arrest for this?

Posted by: NN2N1 || 11/08/2021 7:56 Comments || Top||

#5  He's an obvious target for FBI recruitment.
Posted by: Bertie Crains2651 || 11/08/2021 8:44 Comments || Top||

#6  FreeKyle
Posted by: Merrick Ferret || 11/08/2021 8:45 Comments || Top||

#7  Up to now, the prosecution in this trial are, in my opinion anyway, performing so poorly that it's almost as if they are trying to tank their own case.

Maybe Cortez should try threatening them, too.

Posted by: Mullah Richard || 11/08/2021 9:11 Comments || Top||

#8  Why hasn't the State AG or US DOJ already brought him in for questioning / Arrest for this?

Connect the dots:

1. Neither the Dem states nor the Feds do anything to stop BLM/Antifa/mutant riots

2. So vigilantism becomes the go-to response to defend home/person/livelihood

3. Once there's sufficient armed fighting between both sides, the Feds/Blue states step in heavy and "neutralize" both sides, declaring a "National Emergency" with suspension of Habeas Corpus and that pesky Bill of Rights thing.

The only bright spot in this will be the look on Antifa/BLM faces when they get a dirt nap from their gov't "friends" and enablers.
Posted by: Mercutio || 11/08/2021 10:32 Comments || Top||

#9  Merc's para 3 above appears to be the desired Deep State outcome. After all, as General Milley said they... "do have all the guns."
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/08/2021 10:51 Comments || Top||

#10  They have lawfare.
We have millions of Kyles.
Armed, based and straight shooters (in every sense).
Posted by: Merrick Ferret || 11/08/2021 11:08 Comments || Top||

#11  If this guy doesn't go to jail our government has lost its legitimacy.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 11/08/2021 11:20 Comments || Top||

#12  But I think we need to drop the term Wakandan. We all know it's another way of saying the n-word so it causes Rantburg to lose credibility. I just read another headline here about "Billionaires Not Morally Qualified to Shape Civilization". Those billionaires are truly despicable but they are also white. No race has a monopoly on character flaws.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 11/08/2021 11:29 Comments || Top||

#13  The nut doesn't fall far from the vine.

Jury tampering is for white people.
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 11/08/2021 11:41 Comments || Top||

#14  why should we drop Wakandan when we are called every thing they can think of? And threaten us repeatedly,in my life I fight fire with fire, fuck them being offended.
Posted by: Chris || 11/08/2021 13:25 Comments || Top||

#15  Wakandan operates in the same ironic way "Let's Go Brandon" does: It points out that the media if full of bullscrit, while being a way to communicate an agreed upon underlying message. A twofer!
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/08/2021 13:27 Comments || Top||

#16  Yeah but "Let's go Brandon" really is funny.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 11/08/2021 13:29 Comments || Top||

#17  #12 that's never been my intention but if it helps the 'burg I'm happy to drop Waka____.

The MLK formula works for me:
Content of one's character > Color of one's skin
Posted by: Merrick Ferret || 11/08/2021 13:53 Comments || Top||

#18  And now the Prosecution's star witness blows the whole thing up.

The DA's body language in the videos says it all.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 11/08/2021 14:20 Comments || Top||

#19  the Prosecution's star witness blows the whole thing up.

Oh my. That’s a serious own goal, Mullah Richard. Zero Hedge presented the thing very usefully.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/08/2021 14:53 Comments || Top||

#20  Does anyone doubt the DOJ will step in with "civil rights" charges if Rittenhouse is acquitted in this trial?
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/08/2021 14:55 Comments || Top||

#21 
Posted by: Frank G || 11/08/2021 15:15 Comments || Top||

#22  Wakanda is a white construct used by international corporations to push messaging starring characters of dubious morality.

Its a giant lie with deep pockets, and Rice here is a direct employee of that lie.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 11/08/2021 15:22 Comments || Top||

#23  #20 Does anyone doubt the DOJ will step in with "civil rights" charges if Rittenhouse is acquitted in this trial?

... civil rights of
... a convicted child rapist?
... a convicted strangler?
... a convicted burglar illegally possessing a weapon and pointing it at Kyle's head?
Posted by: Merrick Ferret || 11/08/2021 16:38 Comments || Top||

#24  The wakandan thing (and the word it may or may not imply) is to me a reaction to steady evaporation of moral ideals for those people. They *chose poorly* when it came to what to do after the untimely death of MLK. MLK was not a perfect person, but his chosen path was to integrate based on the content of one's character.

What came after his demise was an endless stream of shucking and jiving race baiters and grifters. Rather than encourage their people to better themselves and embrace the game that society had in place, these worthless hustlers attacked the game and virtually the entirety of the white population.

I'm not a racist. But I won't support any cause that believes the whiteness of my skin makes me an automatic problem. I despise that 11-15% of the United States population now believes EVERYTHING should be *about* THEM with no corresponding belief and exhortation to outstanding character.

I won't play the game. I know who the race hustlers are and I know the bullshit they're peddling. If that community wants to be treated with respect, rise up and select better leadership, and with it better messaging.
Posted by: Crusader || 11/08/2021 18:43 Comments || Top||


If you own a boat: some buyer beware info
[YouTube]


It's looking like at least for sails used in sailing vessels all the interlocking corporate relationships have a high scam rate with no legal redress.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/08/2021 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thanks for the heads up;
I'll check my fleet.
Posted by: Andy Glart8519 || 11/08/2021 0:32 Comments || Top||

#2  we always buy through our local boatworks.
Posted by: Woodrow || 11/08/2021 2:54 Comments || Top||

#3  "A boat is a hole in the water you try to fill up with money"___ Every Fool Who's Tried to Maintain a Boat
Posted by: Mercutio || 11/08/2021 10:11 Comments || Top||

#4  ^ So true and horses. I should add a hot girlfriend.
Posted by: Dale || 11/08/2021 13:17 Comments || Top||

#5  I watched a couple of their videos. They seem to be a nice couple with a healthy taste for adventure but they also seem to have a lot of trouble with their boat, which we learn here was made in South Africa. And the sail maker is also in South Africa. So I'm wondering if the problems isn't sail makers in general but boat builders and sail makers in South Africa.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 11/08/2021 13:24 Comments || Top||


-Great Cultural Revolution
'They don't feel safe': NYC schools see huge surge in seizures of guns, tasers and pepper spray among students who fear for their life as shootings of those under 18 skyrockets in city
[Daily Mail, where America gets its news]
  • Police have seized 787 weapons from New York City schools since July 1, 2021

  • Officials have also received reports of 84 tasers and 224 other weapons discovered in educational institutions

  • The students who were caught bringing weapons to school cited concerns over safety during their commutes

  • This comes as New York City grapples with an increase in visible, violent crime, including horrific subway and street attacks

  • Experts allege students 'don't feel safe as they transition through multiple communities traveling to school'
Posted by: Skidmark || 11/08/2021 06:48 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's not just they don't feel safe, they aren't safe.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 11/08/2021 8:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Can it be that Mr. Gun Violence has cousins?
Taser Violence
Pepper Spray Violence
Knife Violence
Shiv Violence
Brass Knuckles Violence
Lead Pipe Violence
Posted by: Merrick Ferret || 11/08/2021 8:32 Comments || Top||

#3  I always found that an 18" piece of 4/0 MTW flexible power cable works fairly well.

It is labelled 'Sample', you know in case I get asked.

A similar piece of welding cable would suffice, too.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 11/08/2021 9:20 Comments || Top||

#4  ^ Basically a sjambok. Very effective.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/08/2021 9:25 Comments || Top||

#5  /\ I recall an article of them asking a Marine recruit why they were taking a metal tennis racquet on liberty(?). The reply was that "...some idiots were taking baseball bats or knives to deal with muggers -- those are weapons".
Posted by: magpie || 11/08/2021 14:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Hockey stick wrapped in concertina wire at the blade end.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/08/2021 14:17 Comments || Top||

#7  Or this...

Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/08/2021 14:18 Comments || Top||

#8  Time to get out of Dodge when they start finding sporks.

Maybe they need a coat room of sorts. "Welcome to another beautiful day of education...please check your weapons at the window, do not lose your number, and remember we do not have valets."
Posted by: swksvolFF || 11/08/2021 17:59 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
The rich door and the poor door: Terrified millionaire residents of luxury San Fran condo building hit out after adjoining alleyway becomes city's BIGGEST homeless encampment
[Daily Mail, where America gets its news]
  • Residents of a Tenderloin-area building say they're scared to go outside because of aggressive homeless people who've set up the city's biggest vagrant camp

  • They are occupying an alley near their high-end building, where units have fetched more than $1 million

  • One man living in the encampment is known to throw feces, while others steal, break into the garage, and litter the area with garbage, attracting rats

  • ‘This seems to be a safe space for chop shops, drug trafficking,' one woman said

  • The encampment grows as data shows that San Francisco's attorney general, Chesa Boudin is taking a more lenient approach to charging criminals with thefts
Posted by: Skidmark || 11/08/2021 06:55 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If you "don't want it (whatever it is) in your backyard," you better be able to buy a large back yard...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/08/2021 7:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Real world social justice in actionf
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 11/08/2021 11:54 Comments || Top||

#3  Hey, third world country status, congratulations San Fran!
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/08/2021 13:28 Comments || Top||

#4  See, the robber barons of old knew how to deal with this. It's called hired goons.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 11/08/2021 14:55 Comments || Top||


Africa Horn
Tigray forces fighting Ethiopia’s government on Sunday played down reports that they would face a hostile population or cause a “bloodbath”
[PUBLISH.TWITTER]
Posted by: Fred || 11/08/2021 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Zakarova said the US must act first to resolve visa crisis
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
[REGNUM] US Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, who visited Moscow in October, went to Washington with a specific assignment to rectify the situation that has led to a dead end in Russian-American relations.

This was announced on November 7 by the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Maria Zakharova on the air of the TV channel "Russia 1".

Answering the question whether there is a chance that it will be possible to resolve the visa crisis and other problems with the United States, Zakharova said: "This is not a chance, this is a specific task with which Mrs. Nuland left the territory of the Russian Federation."

"If they want to move further, into any future of bilateral relations, normal, including along this line, they must take a number of practical steps. To unblock the situation, which they themselves led to a dead end," explained the representative of the ministry.

Earlier, the US State Department ranked Russian citizens as "homeless nationalities" who cannot obtain an American visa on the territory of their country. In addition, Washington has blocked access to Russian diplomatic property in the United States, refusing Moscow to resolve this issue.

Posted by: badanov || 11/08/2021 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is absolutely insane. The USSA is punishing up to a million of its own citizens, and by implication another million citizens of Russians, for ... what, exactly?

Why on earth are we provoking a nation which doesn't threaten us in the slightest? Whom are we punishing? Not Putin -- you could take away 97% of his fortune and he'd still be a billionaire.

You're just punishing ordinary Russians. Cruelly, blindly, madly. For nothing. To no end. And creating an enemy where none exists, or need exist.

China poses 100x the threat to us and our democracy that Russia poses.

End this insanity.
Save our country.
Save our Republic and the western civilization that created it.

End this f--king suicidal stupidity.
Posted by: Merrick Ferret || 11/08/2021 0:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Well well well. So it turns out that, among the clowns at the center of this farce is a Clinton hack who's on the payroll of ...the Kremlin.

Unbelievable.

So this whole idiotic affair was likely influenced by Russian DISinformation, i.e. Russian intelligence officials toying with and manipulating Hillary's shitheads and tying our clueless FBI and media shills into knots.

We are ruled by morons
Posted by: Merrick Ferret || 11/08/2021 11:05 Comments || Top||

#3  #1, I think it is to prove how tough we are or that we can play hardball or something.
Posted by: Tom || 11/08/2021 14:15 Comments || Top||


Poisoned pizza patrons number rises to 171
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
[KavkazUzel] A total of 72 patients, poisoned in the network of pizzerias "Tashir Pizza", were discharged from hospitals, 99 are undergoing treatment. The condition of all patients is assessed as mild and moderate, the Ministry of Health of Armenia said today.

As "Caucasian Knot" wrote , on November 4, 15 people were hospitalized in Yerevan with symptoms of intestinal infection. The Food Security Inspectorate of Armenia reported on the inspection of two pizzerias "Tashir Pizza", where the poisoned ate. On November 6, the number of hospitalized with symptoms of intestinal infection increased to 122 people. Doctors assessed the condition of six victims as grave.

The total number of poisoned in the network of "Tashir Pizza" pizzerias has reached 171, the Ministry of Health of Armenia reported today on its official Facebook page.

According to the ministry, 72 people have already been discharged from medical institutions. "Another 99 patients remain on treatment in six medical centers, including three regional ones. Doctors assess the condition of patients as mild and moderate," the "Caucasian Knot" correspondent translated the message of the department. 

Posted by: badanov || 11/08/2021 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Azeri saboteurs. Maybe Iranian influenced?
Posted by: Merrick Ferret || 11/08/2021 0:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Yerevan is the capital and largest city of Armenia and one of the world's oldest continuously inhabited cities. Situated along the Hrazdan River, Yerevan is the administrative, cultural, and industrial center of the country.
Posted by: Woodrow || 11/08/2021 2:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Must have been the pork sausage.
Posted by: Skidmark || 11/08/2021 6:34 Comments || Top||

#4  That's one franchise business down the pipes.
Posted by: ed in texas || 11/08/2021 10:21 Comments || Top||

#5  That's one franchise business down the pipes.

Down the pipes and out the bung-hole. Pity, Armenian pizza could have been the New New Thing.
Posted by: SteveS || 11/08/2021 11:04 Comments || Top||

#6  there's a reason Armenians have a history of starving?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/08/2021 11:48 Comments || Top||

#7  No one told them not to use sardines or pineapple?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/08/2021 13:35 Comments || Top||

#8  Eh, its no Chipotles.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 11/08/2021 18:51 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Satellite images show China built mock-ups of US warships
[10 News] Satellite images show China has built mock-ups of U.S. warships in its northwestern desert, possibly to practice for a future naval clash.

China is massively upgrading its military, and its capability and intentions are increasingly concerning to the United States.

The images captured by Maxar Technologies show the outlines of a U.S. aircraft carrier and a destroyer at a desert location in Xinjiang.

The independent U.S. Naval Institute says the mock-ups are part of a new target range.

China has emphasized countering other naval forces in building up its military and has concentrated its vessels in the South China Sea.

The U.S. Navy remains predominant, but its ships are spread across several regions where U.S. interests lie.
Much easier to practice attacking an aircraft carrier that doesn't move, has no support vessels/aircraft, and doesn't fire back
And when none of the parties to this farce are in water...
Posted by: Frank G || 11/08/2021 06:30 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Commies

#1  Hey Gus, perhaps we should go get the boss. This morning's overhead shows something very strange sitting at anchor out in the Taklamakan desert.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/08/2021 6:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, the odds of the Navy beaching one of their big ships seems to be rising, so.....
Snark O'The Day
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/08/2021 7:36 Comments || Top||

#3  I could see it used for targeting exercises but I doubt you can run a realistic boarding drill in the desert.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/08/2021 7:47 Comments || Top||



#6  Snark of the day for P2K nomination
Posted by: Warthog || 11/08/2021 9:27 Comments || Top||

#7  So what! Soviets did the same.
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 11/08/2021 11:43 Comments || Top||

#8  and Iran
Posted by: Chris || 11/08/2021 13:20 Comments || Top||

#9  That one of the models isn't Harvey Milk is further proof commies have no imagination.

Speaking of which, watched that very chinese film Midway. Absolute garbage.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 11/08/2021 13:55 Comments || Top||


Taiwan says 16 Chinese warplanes enter air defense zone
[DW] Taipei has said it is one of the largest Chinese incursions into Taiwan's air defense identification zone since early October, coming right after an EU delegation visited Taipei to work on building ties.

Taiwan's Ministry of National Defense on Sunday said 16 Chinese fighter jets had entered its Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) a day earlier.

The number of aircraft sent into the ADIZ is one of the largest since early October, when the People's Liberation Army (PLA) sent around 150 warplanes into the air defense zone in separate maneuvers over five days.

The ministry said it issued radio warnings and monitored the aircraft on Saturday using air defense systems. The jets entered the ADIZ off Taiwan's southwestern coast, following a path similar to previous incursions.

WHAT IS TAIWAN'S ADIZ?
The ADIZ extends hundreds of kilometers from Taiwan's coast and even includes parts of mainland China. It is much larger than Taiwan's sovereign air space, which only extends 12 nautical miles from the coast.

The ADIZ is airspace designated for national security purposes but is not delineated in international treaties. Taiwanese authorities reserve the right to order aircraft entering the ADIZ to identify themselves and their purpose.

Although China has flown regular incursions with smaller numbers of aircraft into the ADIZ over the past several weeks, the warplanes have not entered Taiwan's sovereign airspace.

EU DELEGATES VISIT TAIWAN
The Chinese flights into the ADIZ on Saturday came a day after a European Parliament delegation wrapped up a three-day visit to Taipei.

The seven politicians on the parliament's committee on foreign interference in democratic processes visited last week, following up on a resolution last month calling for the body to "intensify EU-Taiwan political relations."

EU parliamentarians said the visit was not aimed at provoking China, which sees self-governing Taiwan as part of its territory and usually considers any attempt at building bilateral ties between Western nations and the government in Taipei as a provocation.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/08/2021 00:07 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Commies

#1 
Rest assured, when Biden remembers to do so, the CCP will receive another W.H."Please, don't do that again." letter.


Posted by: NN2N1 || 11/08/2021 5:14 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
No toilet for returning SpaceX crew, stuck using diapers
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — The astronauts who will depart the International Space Station on Sunday will be stuck using diapers on the way home because of their capsule’s broken toilet.

NASA astronaut Megan McArthur described the situation Friday as "suboptimal" but manageable. She and her three crewmates will spend 20 hours in their SpaceX capsule, from the time the hatches are closed until Monday morning’s planned splashdown.

"Spaceflight is full of lots of little challenges," she said during a news conference from orbit. "This is just one more that we’ll encounter and take care of in our mission. So we’re not too worried about it."

After a series of meetings Friday, mission managers decided to bring McArthur and the rest of her crew home before launching their replacements. That SpaceX launch already had been delayed more than a week by bad weather and an undisclosed medical issue involving one of the crew.

SpaceX is now targeting liftoff for Wednesday night at the earliest.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/08/2021 07:28 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Good enough for the President, good enough for SpaceX crew.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/08/2021 7:32 Comments || Top||

#2  I'd pass on the Pre-Flight Taco Bell meal
Posted by: Frank G || 11/08/2021 7:33 Comments || Top||

#3  I can understand the issue of loose bowels during a re-entry situation, I just don't see using any sort of toilet while the gravitational situation is in flux as being, er, practical.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/08/2021 7:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Not reported by the AP: on return flights they're already wearing full gear, including "diapers". They don't need the capsule's toilet.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 11/08/2021 7:46 Comments || Top||

#5  Thought that bit of re-entry 'requirement' somewhat odd as I don't remember Mercury, Gemini or Apollo crew modules having facilities.

Thank you, Rob.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 11/08/2021 8:02 Comments || Top||

#6  So much for 'high availability' systems.
Posted by: Skidmark || 11/08/2021 8:36 Comments || Top||

#7  I guess it's very difficult to take an O Gee Whiz
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 11/08/2021 10:33 Comments || Top||

#8  Boldly not going where no one has not gone before.
Posted by: SteveS || 11/08/2021 11:19 Comments || Top||

#9  I still remember watching coverage of Apollo 11 and CBS but on a report about what astronauts wear in space. He stripped down layer by layer untill he got down to what he described as a diaper hence this song.
Posted by: Vinegar Spolusing6485 || 11/08/2021 11:59 Comments || Top||

#10  I remember one of the Moon landings where the astronauts were complaining about 'loose stools' from eating so much fruit.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 11/08/2021 16:30 Comments || Top||

#11  I guess it's very difficult to take an O Gee Whiz

That's very good Deacon.
Posted by: Skidmark || 11/08/2021 23:17 Comments || Top||


German engine technology found in Chinese warships — report
[DW] Engines developed in Germany can evade export control bans due to their status as a so-called dual-use technology, a German media investigation has revealed.

Several types of Chinese navy warships are powered by engines that were either developed or built by German manufacturers, an investigation by public broadcaster ARD and the Welt am Sonntag newspaper revealed Saturday.

The two companies involved are MTU in Friedrichshafen and the French branch of the Volkswagen subsidiary MAN, according to the report.

Both companies told the media they have always complied with export control regulations and have put into the public record that they have been involved with China's military.

The details on MTU's engine deliveries in China were found on the publicly available website of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

SIPRI catalogs arms deals and weapons transfers for publications and reports.

DUAL-USE TECHNOLOGIES FALL INTO A 'GRAY AREA'
According to SIPRI, MTU was a regular supplier of engines for Luyang III class missile destroyers through a licensed production plant in China until at least 2020.

Additionally, MTU reportedly supplied engines that were used in China's Song-class submarines.

However,
you can observe a lot just by watching...
the company's headquarters told ARD and Welt am Sonntag that they had "definitively stopped" supplying engines for the submarines.

The company claims it had not "entered into any contracts with the Chinese Defense Ministry or armed forces."

Yet, with the establishment of a joint venture in China in 2010, the head of the company known as Tognum at the time had noted deliveries of "marine engines for the Chinese navy and coasties."

Likewise, in 2002 SEMT Pielstick, the French subsidiary of MAN, published news of its delivery of PA6 engines manufactured for a new frigate generation under license in China on the company website. That item can still be located on the site's archive pages.

SIPRI noted that the MTU engine installed on China's warships is a so-called dual-use technology not requiring an export license.

"There's a gray area there," said Siemon Wezeman of SIPRI.

EU'S TOOTHLESS ARMS EMBARGO
The Chinese navy is commissioning more Luyang III destroyers this year. Ships in this class come equipped with surface-to-air missiles and cruise missiles.

China commissioned the Kaifeng in July to commemorate 100 years since the founding of the ruling Chinese Communist Party.

Following the massacre of students and others protesting for democracy in Tiananmen Square in 1989, the EU imposed an arms embargo but with limited binding effect.

Sebastian Rossner, a Cologne
...the largest city in North Rhine-Westphalia and the fourth populated city in Germany....
-based lawyer and export expert, told Germany's ARD public broadcaster: "Because the EU arms embargo on China was not formally decided in accordance with the European treaties, certain exports of ship engines may also be permissible for the Chinese navy."

"If you want to change this, the EU must either amend the Dual-Use Regulation or formally impose an arms embargo," he added.

China has aggressively asserted territorial claims to disputed islands in the South China Sea in recent years, raising tensions with the United States and its European allies.

German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas warned one year ago of "rapidly increasing arms dynamics" in the Indo-Pacific region.

In August, the German frigate Bayern set off from Wilhelmshaven for a six-month journey to the Indo-Pacific.

Germany has sought to strengthen its presence in the region, and a Chinese stop was meant to help defuse tensions over the naval mission. But in September, China denied Germany's request to allow the Bayern to make a port call in Shanghai.
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#1  Germans just can't being German. Sigh.
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#2  Interesting, but certainly not a newly discovered marketing trend.
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