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-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Second deadliest twister spate hits Alabama
The death toll from this week's storms rose to 343 Saturday...
Posted by: anon1 || 04/30/2011 08:57 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I am truly sorry for the devastation. I am saying prayers tonight for those that live in areas prone to those terrifying freaks of nature.

Sorry for your loss.
Posted by: anon1 || 04/30/2011 8:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Thank you, anon1. Like Japan or your own Australia, we can be grateful that the number of deaths and injuries might have been considerably worse. Nature is not always kind, and each part of the world has its own risks.
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/30/2011 11:03 Comments || Top||

#3  National Weather Service numbers on the tornado itself here.
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/30/2011 12:20 Comments || Top||

#4  Trailing wife, were it true that the number we lost was insignificant, then your assessment "it could be worse". Who are you to discount loss of life? God?
Having been reading your comments extensively, its obvious you take "moderating" to mean having no actual principles but just saying whatever sounds good at the moment. Not too long o you were stomping all over the female contributor of Rantburg for having views that are unpopular in your little mind( Anon1 and Fi) such as supporting Wikileaks or renouncing Judaism.

Maybe just maybe when you die they should bury you stomach down to give that ass you've been sitting on up on your high horse a rest. And maybe you should take your sexist fingers and write out a check to your Rabbi for teaching you that being a kept woman who doesn't actually work but just sounds like Whoopi from the view. And then maybe you should pray your husband puts up with you since you haven't really worked in decades, and if you did go back to the workforce you'd wind up as like the smartest cashier at Kohl's.
Go drink some tea and please stop assailing the world with whatever the Hell you think you should be saying. BTW, shouldn't you be observing the Sabbath, you fucking hypocrite?
Posted by: George Tholutle5614 || 04/30/2011 12:47 Comments || Top||

#5  Trailing wife, were it true that the number we lost was insignificant,...

You are putting words into her mouth. Suggest you take a chill pill and wash it down with a glass of Thorazine, George Tholutle5614. That was offensive and insulting.
Posted by: SteveS || 04/30/2011 12:54 Comments || Top||

#6  George that was too blunt a stroke as we try to have a "civil well reasoned discourse" here. Many other sites I have visited are bloated with that sort of talk. We have visitors from all the world and I would like for them to see a site that promotes logic rather than emotion. When the bloods up we all can say things that we might regret later. Enjoy your visit but please try to tread lighter.
Posted by: Dale || 04/30/2011 13:08 Comments || Top||

#7  stop assailing the world with whatever the Hell you think you should be saying.

I am most disappointed in your outburst Geo. Please step up to the blackboard and write the above phrase 100 times. I will not have one of my third graders acting in such a manner!
Posted by: Mrs. Woods || 04/30/2011 13:31 Comments || Top||

#8  Prayers and strength for search and rescue, it is an important day.

Those of you unfamiliar with tornadoes, there is a lot going on there. It is easy to focus on the vortex because, well, its fascinating, hypnotizing, in fact our department reminds those spotting to not get tunnel vision when we go out. See, its not the vortex which is deadly, it is the debris flying about. Forks stuck in walls, 2x4's impaling the engine cabin of a tractor, all that is real. After that, it is large hail. This storm, which lingered in Arkansas and Texas for a couple of days, I believe I saw reports of 3.5"+ hail and that size is a killer. Lightning. If low-precipitation there are lightning fires. If you get a high-precipitation event then flooding is a concern.

All that is with your weak to mid-level tornado. I was with a meteorologist the other day, the kind who chases for legit research (not the tourists, not going to start that rant).

First, some perspective. The Greensburg tornado, easy EF5, some measurements had the vortex at 2.25 miles across, nails the town. (Puts on tour guide hat) The town of Greensburg is/was famous for its 109 foot hand-dug well and 1000 lb. pallasite meteor, located at the bottom of the well. That tornado sucked that meteor out of the well and threw it 3 miles away. There were survivors of the hit, with stories about how they were scared they would drown as they hid in the basement bathroom and watched the water get sucked out of the sink and faucet...but they lived.

Meteorologist said some of these tornadoes were the same power, but concentrated into a smaller vortex (which increases wind speed) and with that happening, it creates that situation where a person could be in ideal protection and still not make it. Debris is more than sticks and stones and glass, but cars, houses, trees, basically anything not attached to the ground, and most of the stuff which is/was. That stuff falls...somewhere. And there is not reason to it. Greesburg story, tornado picked up a garage roof, threw 2 cars into the car already there, then dropped the roof - for real, its crazy.

Its the debris why the basement or interior room or bathtub (for a number of reasons bathrooms can be left standing when the rest of the house is gone, cover with a mattress or heavy blanket.) under stair case, is suggested. Trailer/Mobile homes can topple and roll in 60 mph winds - I heard that there were winds at 200 mph.

As I said earlier, this storm lingered a bit in Arkansas & Texas (mostly), and reports in my area about the potential severity of this system a full day beforehand so I would guess an area acclimated to such sever activity was well on top of this. Now, why people go camping or boating or whatever when only a severe storm would ruin your day I can't say, but there was plenty of heads-up on this. And as I explained, some of these were simply and unfortunately no-chance situations. I'm afraid to say that it may be another week before we have a fairly accurate count of losses, and I am afraid it will go past my personal guesstimate. I mean, they are still trying to clear roads and find safe shelter for people. And you can's sit there and sweep the roads it would take too long, but all that debris just destroys tires. Gotta get S&R/Water/Food in and Patients out.

So with good preparation, advanced information, motivated and mechanized S&R, good medical system, population density considerations, in conclusion yes it could have been worse. In fact, as a rule of thumb, it can always be worse. Speaking of thumbs, GT5614 why don't you take yours out of your ass and stick it back in your mouth before you say something else turtleshit stupid.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 04/30/2011 13:58 Comments || Top||

#9  "stop assailing the world with whatever the Hell you think you should be saying"

Follow your own advice, George, and go crawl back under whatever rock you slithered from. You're the hypocrite.

Oh, and the camel horse you rode in on.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 04/30/2011 14:27 Comments || Top||

#10  Y'know, George, I used to like the old days here when you could say what you think. But posters used a regular nym, and you always knew where they stood and they were willing to take as good as they got.

If you had any courage to stand behind your words, you wouldn't be posting with a random nym and using a bogus IP.

Right now you're the punk, the wannabe, the slimy little freak who stands in back of the crowd and throws the rock, then slinks away.

So even though I long for the old days of uninhibited discourse where posters could say what they think, your comment is redacted.

Because you're a coward.
Posted by: Pappy || 04/30/2011 14:45 Comments || Top||

#11  Thank you for this session of Rantburg U, swksvolFF.

My apologies to George Tholutle5614 and anyone else who feels I was tactless. Tact is not, unfortunately, one of my strengths. Quite possibly George Tholutle5614 is one of those affected by the storm, making his touchiness on the subject understandable, and his reticence to make of himself an object a matter of praise rather than otherwise. In these difficult times, stress occasionally bursts out in unexpected directions.

I am grateful to have so many valiant defenders, and feel quite humbled by your kindness. Thank you all.
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/30/2011 15:30 Comments || Top||

#12 
TW wrote: Like Japan or your own Australia, we can be grateful that the number of deaths and injuries might have been considerably worse.

I was thinking the same thing when I read that comment: as bad as it was it could have been a lot worse. Since TW said I didn't think I needed to, but I was definitely thinking it. I am saddened for the people we lost and am praying for their families, the injured and the homeless. It could have been a lot worse.

George: does all that make me a bad person?
Posted by: Steve White || 04/30/2011 16:03 Comments || Top||

#13  "George: does all that make me a bad person?"

Probably in his eyes, Dr. Steve.

Of course, he actually is a bad person, so he wants to drag everyone else down to his level.

It's called projection. From the bottom of a mile-deep pit.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 04/30/2011 16:26 Comments || Top||

#14  "My apologies to George Tholutle5614 and anyone else who feels I was tactless."

Nobody else feels that, tw, and you don't owe that little asshole "George" an apology. He owes you one.

"Quite possibly George Tholutle5614 is one of those affected by the storm"

You're kinder than I am, tw (but we knew that), but I doubt it. If he'd actually been affected by the storms, he wouldn't have time to be on the internet bad-mouthing people who express sympathy and pray for those affected.

Assuming he even had any electricity.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 04/30/2011 16:34 Comments || Top||

#15  You are welcome. Fortunately not many people have real first hand experience with tornadoes, especially not the monsters. I will admit I stopped short of a full story, on account that the rescue window is still very open and that part is quite frankly just not appropriate at the moment. Fair weather and good response time getting at it instead of waiting for the Fed's to show. First night is the worst - its the missing glasses theory "I need my glasses to find my glasses". Its like that but with light; it is dark, there are no landmarks, and every step is dangerous. At this point they should be moving right along, still good chances of rescue.

The other thing it seems they have on-scene are counselers. If that sounds out of place it isn't...there are toughies who find out they are not so tough at this, and there are regular people out there who don't like this but are sucking it up to go help anyways.

I don't know who GT5614 is, but if so grieved as to outburst like that ya need to put the damn keyboard down and take care of business. If you need to talk about it, talk about it. If you were just looking for a reason to rail on someone you need to go sit on the wrong end of a bar stool.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 04/30/2011 18:09 Comments || Top||

#16  I finally heard from my relatives who live 3 miles from where the Birmingham tornado touched down. All are well and no damage. I have experienced tornados first hand and I am always awed by the power they release.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 04/30/2011 20:21 Comments || Top||

#17  I finally heard from my relatives who live 3 miles from where the Birmingham tornado touched down. All are well and no damage. I have experienced tornados first hand and I am always awed by the power they release.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 04/30/2011 20:21 Comments || Top||

#18  God bless them (and you, of course), Deac
Frank
Posted by: Frank G || 04/30/2011 20:33 Comments || Top||

#19  Thanks, Frank G. I wonder why that posted twice?
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 04/30/2011 20:46 Comments || Top||


Africa Subsaharan
Raila flies out into Mugabe firestorm
A visit to Zim-bob-we by Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Friday has provoked vicious attacks from state media.

The government-owned press launched attacks on Mr Odinga after he accepted an invitation to a congress for a party led by a fierce rival of President Bob Muggsy Mugabe.
Octogenarian President-for-Life of Zim-bob-we who turned the former Breadbasket of Africa into the African Basket Case...

Mr Odinga's office in Nairobi confirmed that he will officially open Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai's Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) party congress in the second city of Bulawayo on Friday.

He will first pay a courtesy call on President Robert Mugabe of Zim-bob-we at State House, Harare, before travelling to Barbourfields Stadium in Bulawayo. Mr Odinga is expected back in Kenya later in the day.

While Mr Odinga has agreed to speak at the MDC meeting, it is not clear whether Mr Mugabe might try to keep Mr Odinga out of the country.

However,
The wishy-washy However...
State media propaganda against the PM's party has gone into overdrive in what analysts say is a reflection of widening cracks in Zim-bob-we's coalition government.

The state owned Herald newspaper, which usually reflects the thinking in President Mugabe's Zanu PF party, described Mr Odinga as a merchant of violence.

"Who then is this Raila Odinga?" asked George Rugare Chingarande in the paper's opinion pages.

Dictatorial streak
"Raila Odinga is a political schizophrenic. His rhetoric oozes with (sic) refined contemporary democracy dogma but his actions reveal a very violent and dictatorial streak.

"The exorbitant nature of this obsessive preoccupation with violence is rivalled by a few in modern day African. His proclivity for violence can be traced to his student days."

Mr Mugabe's sympathisers have never forgiven Mr Odinga for calling for the 87 year-old leader's exit in a 2008 interview with BBC.

In the interview, the Kenyan Prime Minister called on African leaders to push Mugabe out of power because he was a stumbling block to political reform in Zim-bob-we.

Mr Mugabe however reacted angrily, saying Mr Odinga was not welcome in Zim-bob-we.

The Zim-bob-wean power-sharing deal that brought opposition leader Tsvangirai into government was modelled on the Kenyan agreement after the disputed 2007 elections that saw Mr Odinga become prime minister while Mr Mwai Kibaki retained the presidency.

The MDC congress whose theme will be "United Winning Covenant for Real Change" started on Thursday afternoon and ends on Saturday.

All the executive positions will be contested at the congress except the presidency and party leadership which will remain in the hands of Mr Tsvangirai.

Zim-bob-we's unity government was also formed after contested elections in 2008. Mr Mugabe declared victory in a one-man presidential runoff after a violent campaign against the MDC and its supporters.

This led to the signing of the Global Political Agreement, similar to Kenya's National Accord, that created the unity government.
Posted by: Fred || 04/30/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Uganda politician's arrest sparks deadly riot
[Al Jazeera] At least two people have been killed after Ugandan police fired live bullets and tear gas to disperse crowds protesting against the arrest of Kizza Besigye, leader of the country's main opposition party, a Rooters witness says.

Ugandan security officials prevented Besigye from boarding a plane to Kenya on Friday to seek treatment for injuries received during his arrest on Thursday.

"Plain clothes men have blocked him from leaving. We don't know why. They are threatening him with arrest if he does not leave (the airport)," Anne Mugisha, deputy foreign secretary of the the Forum for Democratic Change party (FDC), said.

She said the plane Besigye had been due to board left for Nairobi without him.

One of the victims in Friday's riot appeared to have been shot in the head and was lying in a pool of blood at a local market, a witness said.

Michael Nataka, from the Ugandan Red Thingy, said more than 100 people had sought medical attention.

"There are a number of injuries. Some, about 21 of them, have bullet wounds. Then we have people who have been affected by tear gas, there are those who have injuries as a result of stones, they were hit by stones," he said.

"Then we have those who look like they were beaten, either by batons or sticks. Then we have those who were maimed as a result of falling down as they were running." Nataka said.

Local media reported a third person had been killed in the riot, but the claims could not be independently verified.

Smoke billowed over the capital Kampala after crowds burnt tyres to block roads.

Protesters stoned shops and cars to express their anger at Besigye being beaten, pepper-sprayed and dragged away by police, all shown on TV.

Besigye, who was a runner-up to veteran president Yoweri Museveni in a disputed February election, was placed in durance vile and later freed on bail for his role in leading the ongoing protests against soaring fuel and food prices.

The protests - dubbed "walk to work" in solidarity with Kampala residents who cannot afford public transport as a result of high fuel prices - have been joined by several opposition politicians, one of them still in detention.

Besigye's arrest, the fourth time in three weeks he has been jugged, followed a week of detention in a countryside prison where he was held with three of his supporters and the head of the Democratic Party, Nobert Mao.

The leader of the FDC, who has previously been jugged on trumped-up charges of rape and treason, said he was leading peaceful protests and that he and his supporters had the right to protest.

"We shall continue protesting within the law [and] peacefully. None of us is armed," he said while seated on the back of a police pick-up truck, his right hand hit by a rubber bullet a week ago still heavily bandaged.
Posted by: Fred || 04/30/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Bangladesh
3 hurt in BCL infighting
[Bangla Daily Star] Three activists of BCL Chittagong University (CU) unit were maimed when supporters of a rival faction attacked them following an altercation over playing a cricket match yesterday.

The injured are Mehrab Hossain, a third year student of Applied Physics department, Rasel, a first year student of Physics department and Foysal, a third year student of Institute of Marine Sciences and Fisheries.

Police inspector Mizanur Rahman of university police outpost said activists of a Bangladesh Chhatra League
... the student wing of the Bangla Awami League ...
(BCL) faction stabbed Mehrab, of the rival faction, at the Shaheed Abdur Rab Hall playground around 4:30pm.

When Mehrab's friends were taking him to CU medical centre, the rival groups attacked them again, leaving two others injured.

Mehrab was rushed to Chittagong Medical College and Hospital at death's door while others took treatment at the medical centre, Mizanur added.

Mohammad Sayedul Islam, assistant proctor of CU, said stern action will be taken against those involved in the incident.
Posted by: Fred || 04/30/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...For some reason, I read this as "3 Hurt in BCS Infighting", and all I could think of was that these college football fans were getting out of hand.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 04/30/2011 14:25 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Texas Bill Would Make Invasive Pat-Downs Without Probable Cause A Felony
A bill before the Texas State House would make it a felony for a security officer to intentionally touch someone's private areas even atop clothing unless they have probable cause to believe the person is carrying illegal items in those areas.

A spokesman for the TSA said the agency doesn't comment on pending legislation.
The question then boils down to whether the security areas of Texas airports and bus terminals are under State or federal jurisdiction; and if the feds can legitimately claim that air transport, not just across State lines, but intrastate, is under federal control via the interstate commerce clause. And remember that the TSA just recently changed the rules, so that airports can no longer elect to have private security services doing passenger searches.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 04/30/2011 11:15 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I thought unreasonable search & siezures were against the Constitution.

The chances of the average searchee at the airport being a terrorist are very close to zero, if not actually zero. I cannot recall the TSA crowing about the terrorist they caught with a bomb on their person.

I can think of all kinds of cases of drugs getting through, however.

If the chances that a searchee is carrying a bomb is zero, it would seem unreasonable to me to search that person.

Of course, these invasive searches might have kept a few bombs off planes, but it would be easier to put a bomb in one's luggage than to bother to carry it into the plane if this were the case. Plenty of contraband makes it onto planes in luggage. So that argument is out the window, too.

Has SCOTUS weighed in on this yet?
Posted by: gorb || 04/30/2011 12:51 Comments || Top||

#2  And remember that the TSA just recently changed the rules, so that airports can no longer elect to have private security services doing passenger searches.

That is so as to preserve legalized groping of men, women and children as a union thug right.
Posted by: Blinky Angomose3835 || 04/30/2011 15:13 Comments || Top||

#3  "without probable cause"

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fourth Amendment - Constitution of the United States of America
Posted by: Blinky Angomose3835 || 04/30/2011 16:10 Comments || Top||

#4  What took so long?

State Attorneys General should be arresting and trying these people under existing laws. Once the facts come out, no federal court and no Congress will be willing to undo the resulting convictions.
Posted by: Iblis || 04/30/2011 16:50 Comments || Top||

#5  Oath or affirmation - What asketh the bad son? He asketh: What do these words mean? These words were written over a hundred years ago and have no meaning. Therefore, I will substitute my own.

The concept is as valid today as it was then. Probable cause means just that: PROBABLE. Prove-able. Meaning you stand at least a 50% chance of being correct. So far, the TSA hasn't even hit 0.00000001%, if not zero itself.

particularly describing - Ever heard of the word "particular"? This means very specific. Exact. Enough to establish identity. The TSA is not operating on a particular warrant of any kind. It is some kind of "general" warrant, which in my tiny mind is unconstitutional.

Damn those founding fathers who made the Constitution a document that the common man could interpret so they would know if their politicians were taking advantage of them or playing outside of bounds.
Posted by: gorb || 04/30/2011 16:58 Comments || Top||

#6  What asketh the bad son? He asketh: What do these words mean? These words were written over a hundred years ago and have no meaning. Therefore, I will substitute my own.

So close to what we read in the haggadah at the Passover Seder, gorb. :-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/30/2011 19:36 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Thai-Cambodia ceasefire breaks down
[Al Jazeera] A brief ceasefire between Thailand and Cambodia has broken down, shattering hopes for a quick end to the border conflict as the two sides exchanged fire for an eighth day.

Field commanders agreed to the truce in a meeting at the disputed border on Thursday. But Cambodian Colonel Suos Sothea said the Thai army fired artillery shells into Cambodia again on Friday and small arms fire crackled anew around the Ta Krabey temple, which lies in a disputed zone along the frontier.

"We cannot trust the Thais," he said. "Yesterday they said they'd stop fighting and now they are attacking us again."

The corpse count since the festivities has risen to 16.

Thai army front man Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd said there had been light festivities late on Thursday as well as early on Friday.

He blamed Cambodia for breaking the deal, saying its "local units might not agree to the talks as easily as their commanders did."

The director of Phanom Dongrak hospital, about 20 km from the border, confirmed one Thai soldier was killed late on Thursday, bringing the total dead to 16.

Al Jizz's Wayne Hay, reporting from Ta Mieng, Thailand, near the border with Cambodia, said that "Thais are beefing up their presence, but Cambodians are doing the same as well.

"More and more people in Thailand, are starting to believe that there are political motives behind these festivities.

"Cambodia has used these festivities as a political tool for internal politics."
Posted by: Fred || 04/30/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "DAY OF THE GENERALS", i.e. both Armies continue to slug it out despite any Govt-Political orders to the contrary???

[WW1 FRENCH ARMY HERO = WW2 ENEMY? OF FRANCE MARSHAL PETAIN here].

CAMBODIA is repor appealing to the UNO + World Court to settle the issues.

CHINA is demanding both sides make an end to the fighting.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 04/30/2011 0:50 Comments || Top||

#2  ION PEOPLE'S DAILY FORUM > INDONESIAN PRESIDENT WARNS ISLAMIC RADICALISM RISING, which threatens in LT to alter the character of the Indones Nation + Peoples.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 04/30/2011 1:05 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Calling animals 'pets' is insulting, academics claim
Animal lovers should stop calling their furry or feathered friends "pets" because the term is insulting, leading academics claim.

Domestic dogs, cats, hamsters or budgerigars should be rebranded as "companion animals" while owners should be known as "human carers", they insist.

Even terms such as wildlife are dismissed as insulting to the animals concerned -- who should instead be known as "free-living", the academics including an Oxford professor suggest.

The call comes from the editors of then Journal of Animal Ethics, a new academic publication devoted to the issue.

It is edited by the Revd Professor Andrew Linzey, a theologian and director of the Oxford Centre for Animal Ethics, who once received an honorary degree from the Archbishop of Canterbury for his work promoting the rights of "God's sentient creatures".

In its first editorial, the journal -- jointly published by Prof Linzey's centre and the University of Illinois in the US -- condemns the use of terms such as "critters" and "beasts".
Posted by: tipper || 04/30/2011 17:41 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Andrew Linzey, a theologian and director of the Oxford Centre for Animal Ethics, who once received an honorary degree from the Archbishop of Canterbury

Nobel prize candidate, fershure.
Posted by: Pappy || 04/30/2011 18:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Ima thinkrn Andrew likes to dress up in a leash and collar on weekends and be disciplined by his "master"
Posted by: Frank G || 04/30/2011 19:13 Comments || Top||

#3  So what should we call cows that are raised for food? They're not pets, except in rare cases.

Personally, I would vote for "hamburger on the hoof", but Andrew Linzey would find that insulting (to the cow).
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 04/30/2011 19:21 Comments || Top||

#4  "Personally, I would vote for "hamburger on the hoof", but Andrew Linzey would find that insulting (to the cow)."

We understood you meant "hamburger on the hoof" to refer to he cow, Rambler.

It's obvious Mr. Linzey would be too dry and stringy to make good hamburger. ;-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 04/30/2011 19:37 Comments || Top||

#5  Insulting to who? I am certain the animals don't care what they are called (as long as it is not 'late for dinner'.)
Posted by: Glenmore || 04/30/2011 19:38 Comments || Top||

#6  "the cow"

PIMF :-(
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 04/30/2011 19:39 Comments || Top||

#7  "who once received an honorary degree from the Archdruidbishop of Canterbury for his work promoting the rights of 'God's sentient creatures'"

That says it all.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 04/30/2011 19:40 Comments || Top||

#8  My pet cat is Named Pet (short for Petra). She does not mind to be called as such as there is an understanding that whenever I call her, it s almost as if I were saying food's ready. She agrees to be domesticated as long as that excludes masticated. She is free-living (comes and goes as she pleases), but sometime a bit wild, and at other times a bitch. She is usually a cuddly critter, but there were times when she's a beast.

Regarding animal rights, she accepts that the mice have a right to be cornered and frightened to such a degree that their hearts pump blood with such a force that they jump off the floor by the sheer action of the pulse. She thinks the birds' feathers are unsightly and considers that birds have a right to be defeathered. Whether they are recycled or not depends on her mood. Squirrels have a right to be positioned on the doormat neatly, with their heads and tails. It is uncertain what happens to the body.
Posted by: twobyfour || 04/30/2011 23:32 Comments || Top||


Rage at Terry Jones' Dearborn rally
Posted by: ryuge || 04/30/2011 04:09 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The crowd grew as they spoke, with more Muslims appearing as the rally took place. Some waved shoes, an Arab symbol of disrespect. Others held up Qurans. American, Palestinian and Lebanese flags also were waved. More than 600 counter-protesters appeared to assemble.
Appeared?

Attorneys with the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor filed an appeal on behalf of Jones on Wednesday.
No doubt, the local chapter of the ACLU.

Written by NIRAJ WARIKOO, so I'm sure the bias I thought I saw was, in fact, my own koo-ran-o-phobic bias. [Yawn]

Posted by: Bobby || 04/30/2011 9:21 Comments || Top||

#2  What an odd article. I look forward to something a little more balanced, written by someone with a better grasp of English. What on earth is a "young crowd"?

A good first cut article, ryuge. I wonder how soon we'll see riots in Afghanistan and elsewhere of the Pastor Jones' temerity.
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/30/2011 11:26 Comments || Top||

#3  What on earth is a "young crowd"?

Youths, or 'Yuts' as it's pronounced in certain environs.

In the Arab world, anyone (normally male) under the age of 30.
Posted by: Pappy || 04/30/2011 12:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Angered, some of those protesters stormed past their police barricades and marched across Michigan Avenue as they hurled bottles and shoes at Jones' supporters across from them. One woman spit in Jones' direction.
Just like muslims everywhere.
The young crowd then pushed down a security fence that separated them from Jones' supporters and surged forward, their faces tight with anger. For a moment, it appeared a major clash was about to break out.
And then they remembered the bigger picture of where they were. They remembered that they had a facade to maintain. Because they were not in the majority. Yet.
But Arab-American leaders and police pushed back the angry group as dozens of police officers in full riot gear marched out in single file to separate the two sides. At least two were arrested.
I'm sure those same Arab-American leaders will be calling for more peaceful rhetoric in the future at the local mosques, too.
Dearborn Mayor John O'Reilly Jr. said afterward that Jones was responsible for creating the disturbance by ignoring city requests not to approach the barricade.
It's a slightly more obscured argument along the cat<=>meat line.
"He refused to comply," O'Reilly said. "He was asked, 'Please don't come to the barricade.' He just ignored us. ... His goal was to start trouble. ... That shows his character."
Gee. I thought I had the right to go where I wanted to when I wanted to. Since when does the government tell me where to stand?

In my opinion, criminal behavior begins and ends with the criminal. The criminal is responsible for the results of his actions at all levels. Terry should be able to stand where he wants and say what he wants as long as he is not endangering other people's lives. This is not a crowded theatre full of innocents. If one of them kills their neighbor or Terry Jones, then it is the responsibility of the person who did th killing with a rock, gun, knife, or their bare hands. It is an intentional act whatever the case. In a crowded theatre where people are trying to get out because someone yelled "fire", the people are not trying to kill each other, but that may be the result as they compete to get out a narrow doorway.

Terry Jones has revealed these folks for who they are for anyone who is paying attention. I hold these muslims responsible for their own behavior and actions. They are not going to use temporary insanity as a defense because everything sets them off. By choice. They were not born that way. They chose this path. And they listen to their peers and their imams and watch the TV and have decided that this is the way they wish to behave.

John O'Reilly needs to learn this or become a muslim himself.
Posted by: gorb || 04/30/2011 13:06 Comments || Top||

#5  Jones' goal seems to be to become a martyr, and a cause for violent retaliation against Islam. I'm pretty sure he will succeed in getting himself (and others) killed if he continues on his path, but doubt it will lead to an uprising against Islam. We're all too bogged down in our guilt feelings to stand up for ourselves (the end result of too much unearned self-esteem?)
Posted by: Glenmore || 04/30/2011 14:11 Comments || Top||

#6  While I've always considered Terry Jones to be something of an idiot, it's fascinating to watch him twist the extremely PC government of Dearborn into hypocritical knots. Whatever else he's done or will do that's priceless.
Posted by: Secret Master || 04/30/2011 17:20 Comments || Top||

#7  According to the article I read the trouble started when Jones walked towrd the crowd "with his palms extended in a provocative manner". So open palms is now provocative. Appeasement so debases the people doing the appeasing.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 04/30/2011 20:30 Comments || Top||



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