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-Lurid Crime Tales-
U.S. military imprisons warriors for battlefield errors
More American soldiers are serving prison time for having done their jobs in Iraq and Afghanistan than at any other time in our nation's history. In fact, there may be more than in all of World War II, Korea and Vietnam combined - 114 cases, according to the website of the United American Patriots, a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping U.S. military hire and pay for civilian defense counsel.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/04/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I don't recall of hearing much of this sort of thing in WW II or Korea. Seems like this started with Vietnam. Extremely tight ROE will lead to these kinds of problems.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/04/2010 10:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Ex-zaaaactly!
Posted by: Entertaining Prose || 09/04/2010 11:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Keep this in mind when your conservative congress critter gets elected. Write them and ask for a legal review or prayer for judgement be done on these Soldiers behalf. The ROE goes against the right for self defense.
Posted by: newc || 09/04/2010 11:48 Comments || Top||

#4  While I can understand a ROE to keep from making the civies too pissed from getting whacked, to stringent of an ROE with a very hostile AG and DOJ make it borderline treason.
Posted by: DarthVader || 09/04/2010 15:31 Comments || Top||

#5  Okay, let me get this straight. Soldiers in a warzone, getting shot at, trying to ID an enemy that often appears and dresses like the rest of the civilian population, including cross-dressing, is causing some accidental fire actions. As could as it sounds, isn't this collateral damage? I mean, it's a war zone where the target is extremely hard to identify and is not part of any national military and loves his booby-traps. And the soldiers, probably pretty strung out and not getting much relief, are accidentally shooting some people, in a war zone and getting accused of murder? Did I mention they are fighting in a war zone? As in a hostile environment where people are attempting to kill you, like a war zone?
Posted by: miscellaneous || 09/04/2010 20:10 Comments || Top||

#6  Are we fighting a war or are we spoofing and stoking egos with tender hooligan performances in cute U.S. uniforms? Hard to tell, but heres your sign: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126534225

And, oh yea, the DoD wonders why lots don't reenlist after one contract?
Posted by: Entertaining Prose || 09/04/2010 20:33 Comments || Top||

#7  Different times, different standards.

After Normandy where the SS executed Canadian POWs, the Canadians didn't take too many SS prisoners. After Malmedy the Americans followed the same practice. Don't recall too many prosecutions for doing it.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/04/2010 21:46 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan
A Chaplain and an Atheist Go to War
A Wall Street Journal article, so you'll need to register to read it, but it's not behind the subscription wall. It's another good article from Michael M. Phillips, who embedded with the Marines during the 2003 invasion. He then took a leave of absence to write The Gift of Valor, about one of the men in his unit. A taste:
SANGIN, Afghanistan -- They say there are no atheists in foxholes. There's one on the front lines here, though, and the chaplain isn't thrilled about it.

Navy Chaplain Terry Moran is steeped in the Bible and believes all of it. His assistant, Religious Programs Specialist 2nd Class Philip Chute, is steeped in the Bible and having none of it.

Together they roam this town in Taliban country, comforting the grunts while crossing swords with each other over everything from the power of angels to the wisdom of standing in clear view of enemy snipers. Lt. Moran, 48 years old, preaches about divine protection while 25-year-old RP2 Chute covers the chaplain's back and wishes he were more attentive to the dangers of the here and now.

It's a match made in, well, the Pentagon.

"He trusts God to keep him safe," says RP2 Chute. "And I'm here just in case that doesn't work out."

The 460 Army, Navy and Air Force chaplains deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan are prohibited from carrying weapons, counting on their assistants and the troops around them for protection. It can be a perilous calling. On Monday, Chaplain Dale Goetz, 43, of White, S.D., and four other soldiers were killed by a roadside bomb near Kandahar. Capt. Goetz is the first Army chaplain killed in action since the Vietnam War.

Army chaplains represent 130 religions and denominations, including Catholicism, Judaism, Islam and Buddhism. The military says it's common for assistants to be of different faiths from the chaplains they support, or of no faith at all.

"They don't have to be religious," says retired Navy Capt. Randy Cash, who served 30 years in the Chaplain Corps and now is its historian. "They have to be able to shoot straight."
Posted by: Penguin || 09/04/2010 11:25 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Religious Programs Specialist"
"NSDAP"
"политру́к"
"政治委员, 政委"

Can't have anyone believing in a 'higher power' than the government.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 09/04/2010 13:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Expect nothing less from Pagans. That is democrats and moslems.
Posted by: newc || 09/04/2010 15:10 Comments || Top||

#3  It's actually a pretty good article. See the taste I added, above.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/04/2010 17:20 Comments || Top||

#4  I'm actually kind of surprised we are even allowed to HAVE chaplains in today's military.
Posted by: Glenmore || 09/04/2010 20:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Well Glenmore, it's okay as long as the Chaplain in question doesn't say God or pray. He can say Allah though.
Posted by: miscellaneous || 09/04/2010 20:37 Comments || Top||


German general criticises Afghan president
[Geo TV] German General Egon Ramms, chief of operations of NATO-led forces in Afghanistan, criticised Thursday Afghanistan's Caped President Hamid Maybe I'll join the Taliban Karzai for failing to support NATO forces in the war against the Taliban.

Ramms said in an interview with the daily economic newspaper Handelsblatt that the president "looks at things from a point of view that, in no way, we can like."

Karzai, speaking in Kabul, had said the strategy for Afghanistan needed a rethink and he criticised NATO for civilian deaths in the country.

"He should decide whether he prefers the ISAF and troops from supporting nations, or the Taliban with whom he might want to work in future"
Ramms reminded Karzai that NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), the counter-insurgency mission in Afghanistan, had played an important role in ensuring his reelection as Afghan president in November 2009.

"As a result he should decide whether he prefers the ISAF and troops from supporting nations, or the Taliban with whom he might want to work in future," the general said.
Reminds me of the old Jack Benny gig:

Jack is walking down the street and is approached by a mugger, who says, "Your money or your life!"

Jack says nothing, and the mugger repeats, "Hey buddy! I said, your money or your life!"

To which Jack replies, "I'm thinking, I'm thinking!"
Ramms also accused local Afghan authorities of releasing on several occasions members of the Taliban jugged by coalition forces in the north of the country, where German troops are based.
Posted by: Fred || 09/04/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  09-04 Afghanistan
German general criticises circumcises Afghan president
Posted by: Skidmark || 09/04/2010 1:04 Comments || Top||

#2  The president was too busy throwing coins at his dancing boys to respond.
Posted by: bigjim-CA || 09/04/2010 13:04 Comments || Top||

#3  Karzai and a majority of the Afghan/Pashtun people might indeed work out some deal with the Taliban.

The big problem is that the US and NATO are in Afghanistan because of 9/11.

The original goal was to eliminate the Taliban, not because the Taliban mistreated the Afghans and the Afghans wanted them gone but because the Taliban sheltered Al Qaida.

Has the US officially forgiven the Taliban?

Is Bush's statement to a Joint Session of Congress (given 9/20/2001) inoperative?

Should a (potential) adversary of the US take threats by the President seriously?

Some say a future nuclear Iran can be deterred and contained like the Soviet Union was. But the failure to defeat and punish Afghanistan, and the Taliban in particular makes this proposition absurd.

After "Enduring Freedom" why should a nuclear armed Iran expect any sort of retaliation for sponsoring attacks on the west?

/rant
Posted by: Large Fleaper8859 || 09/04/2010 16:45 Comments || Top||

#4  I guess the Germans are must be coming to the end for their rope to actually publically say some thing like this.

@Fleaper:
1. Forgive? I would hazard a guess that Obama just thinks their misunderstood people. After all Jihad is just to purify, right? Oops, I wasn't supposed to post that while Obama is in office.

2. Contain like Russia? I wish people wouldn't say idiotic things like that. Iran is not Russia. They do not have the same culture, society, or governement. That's like people saying the past repeats itself. Well, I got news for them, it can't. If some thing happened in the past, it's in the past, not the present. Current circumstances may be similar, but the past can't come back unless some one builds a time machine or time becomes circular. I prefer the linear approach to time myself. If avoids all those causality problems.
Posted by: miscellaneous || 09/04/2010 20:22 Comments || Top||


Africa Horn
Senior UN official tells Somali leader to reach out to opposition
(Xinhua) -- A senior UN official has called on the transitional government of Somalia to reach out to other dissidents in order to strengthen its authority in the Horn of Africa nation.

The UN Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs, Lynn Pascoe who visited Mogadishu on Wednesday also expressed his solidarity with the people of Somalia.

Pascoe, who was accompanied by the UN Special Representative for Somalia, Augustine P. Mahiga, met President Sheikh Sharif and cabinet ministers at the presidential compound in Mogadishu.

Pascoe encouraged the leaders of the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) to reach out to other groups and to focus on governing the country.

"It is crucial to show the long suffering people of Somalia that the government can deliver basic services," said Pascoe. "The international community© is very interested in supporting the TFG, but the Government itself needs to do more and learn to work as a cohesive team."

Pascoe and Mahiga also met the Force Commander and members of African Union peacekeeping mission in Somalia (AMISOM) and visited the AMISOM hospital where they witnessed the AU peacekeeping troops treating Somali civilians.
Posted by: Fred || 09/04/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: al-Shabaab

#1  ION TOPIX > ALLAFRICA > SOMALIA: ETHIOPIAN TROOPS LAUNCH INCURSION AGZ MILITANTS | ETHIOPIAN TROOPS IN-COUNTRY TO BATTLE RADICALS.

* SAME > UGANDA READY TO SEND IN 10,000 TROOPS - IFF THE US HELPS [provides $$$ funding].

The AU [Peacekeeping forces]has also repor set up NINE NEW BASES inside Somalia.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/04/2010 2:29 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Scholar rejects extremist ideology
[Arab News] A holy man has continued his attack on methods employed by advocates of jihad boy ideologies, leading to a misinterpretation of Islamic religious texts in their writings, Al-Watan daily newspaper reported on Thursday.

Abdul Aziz Al-Humaidi, who was speaking on the ongoing Humumuna program on Saudi Channel 1, said matters that affect the interests of a community or nation, such as war and peace, could not be acted on by an individual. Such issues are to be resolved by the ruler in consultation with qualified people and any decisions are binding on citizens, he said.

That was the model set by the Prophet (PTUI) when he used to make decisions that affected all of society, he added.

In his capacity as a specialist in Mohammedan jurisprudence, Al-Humaidi uncovered the misleading way in which a proponent of deviant ideology, Abu Muhammad Al-Muqaddisi, tried to influence people in his book "Millat Ibrahim." He claimed that Al-Muqaddisi particularly targeted countries in the Arab and Mohammedan world facing serious political and economic issues.

In the book, Al-Humaidi said, Al-Muqaddisi erroneously claimed that the Prophet used to resort to takfir (declaring someone as an infidel) and call for an uncompromising war.
Posted by: Fred || 09/04/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  a bit late!
Posted by: Shish Turkeyneck8263 || 09/04/2010 23:58 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Islamic Group says no C.O. for Muslim Soldiers
An American Muslim organization is asking the U.S. Army to deny a Muslim soldier’s request for conscientious objector status, accusing him of treason and urging the military to punish him to the full extent of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
That's certainly an interesting twist.
Pfc. Naser Abdo, a 20-year-old infantryman who joined the Army one year ago, filed for conscientious objector status in June, saying his faith and the military don't mix. "As a Muslim, we stand against injustice, we stand against discrimination, and I feel it's my duty as an individual to do this," Abdo told FoxNews.com.

But the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD) says Abdo's claim is “patently false.”

"Muslims serve with distinction throughout the United States Military and AIFD sees Abdo’s traitorous public assertions as a slap in the face to all American Muslims especially those Muslims who fight in our armed forces for the liberty and freedom guaranteed by the American Constitution," the group said in a statement it issued on Friday.
Here's their website. They've been around since 2003, contradicting CAIR and so-called moderate Muslims.
Said Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, president of AIFD: “Abdo’s actions are an affront to every American Muslim who has proudly donned a U.S. military uniform. His assertions are not built on Islamic teachings but on a feeble adherence to the global political ideology of Islamism that threatens our security and radicalizes our Muslim youth.”

AIFD on Friday called Abdo’s claim a cowardly attempt to use his faith to make a political statement and said it belies the religious experience of the vast majority of Muslim-American troops who have found the time to perform their spiritual rituals.
Posted by: || 09/04/2010 10:38 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The PFC thinks he's different and not like the rest. "Where do I send my resignation? I quit.", he says. Well, son, it's the military. Whether you serve on the front lines, on rear detachment, or in a jail cell, depends on needs of the military. And you're serving in one of those till the day the military lets you out, probably at the ETS date in your contract, so take your pick.
Posted by: Entertaining Prose || 09/04/2010 22:24 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Sec. Defense Gates: 2-3 years of combat in Afghanistan
It's the Wall Street Journal, so you'll need to register to read the article, but registration is free.
COMBAT OUTPOST SENJARAY, Afghanistan—Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he envisions two or three more years of combat operations in Afghanistan before the U.S. transitions to an advisory role, a mission likely to last years more.

Mr. Gates strongly opposes an abrupt strategy change that would move the U.S. toward a counterterrorism strategy that is more focused on killing militants and less focused on protecting population centers. On Friday he said a move to a counterterrorism strategy would simply result in pushing insurgents from one place to another as in an arcade game of "whack-a-mole."
Posted by: || 09/04/2010 07:40 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yesiree. Just 2-3 more years of fighting, and we'll finally end 1800+ years of smoldering war in Afghanistan. Or is that 2800+ years?
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/04/2010 10:47 Comments || Top||

#2  The Defense Secretary is openly contradicting his boss's repeated insistence on the July, 2011 withdrawal date. I think that's the important thing, Anonymoose.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/04/2010 11:22 Comments || Top||

#3  Well moose, I think you'd have to go back to when the tribes first entered the area. I don't think they've quit fighting since. I won't mention how a certain religion now justifies their attacking the neighbors.
Posted by: miscellaneous || 09/04/2010 20:27 Comments || Top||

#4  The tribes in North America practiced territorial behaviors as well regardless of the mythology of pastoral people. We all know about the Aztec. Some of the early records of the French talk about accompanying friendly tribes on raids to their neighbors. One of the odd aspects to our own Civil War was that the tribes didn't take advantage of the situation, but they were too busy settling grudges among themselves to bother. It took the US Army about a hundred years to put an end to that kind of stuff. Then again it wasn't till 1945 that both the Americans and Soviets imposed a peace upon the warring tribes in Central Europe that had been going on since the time of the Romans.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/04/2010 21:52 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
PA Minister Threatens War over Jerusalem
Excerpt: Unless Jerusalem "becomes the capital of the Palestinian people, there is no peace," he warned. "The term 'war' will not be erased from the lexicon...as long as Jerusalem is occupied.
Posted by: Uncle Phester || 09/04/2010 18:51 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Isn't Jerusalem - Jew-rusalem - like THE original Jewish place in the world? What gives the Paleos claim on it?
Posted by: Glenmore || 09/04/2010 19:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Because it's the 1,843,942d holiest place in I-slam, of course, Glen.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/04/2010 20:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Maybe they want to claim what the Philistines used to have, before the people of Israel punched them in the chops too. Of course, the Philistines were also invaders so I don't know how they could use the for a claims case.
Posted by: miscellaneous || 09/04/2010 20:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Remember how well that worked last time, bucko. So if you want to play "Allah Ackbar and his last box of bee-bees", feel free.
Posted by: DarthVader || 09/04/2010 22:50 Comments || Top||

#5  President Abbas is going to have to do some fast talking to paper over what his religious affairs minister said in his presence. However, it seems the RA ministry is more of a propaganda arm than a keeper of the faith job, Fatah/PLO/PA being the secular/Soviet-trained branch of Palestinian political philosophy. The real men of faith are over on the other side, running the Gaza Strip; such are their convictions regarding the Jewish Entity that they refuse negotiations altogether.

Or so it seems to me.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/04/2010 23:44 Comments || Top||


PA actually starting to govern
Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad on Monday unveiled the second phase of his plan to create institutions for a Palestinian state within one year.

Speaking to reporters in Ramallah, he said that his government was planning to create a reality on the ground that would be hard to ignore. The Palestinian government, according to the new plan, would focus on imposing law and order, increasing transparency and accountability and combating corruption.

"In the second year of its plan, the government is seeking to stress national preparedness for the establishment of the State of Palestine," Fayyad said. He admitted that the PA was facing financial difficulties, making it hard for it to meet basic needs. Fayyad said that in the past year alone his government succeeded in implementing 2,000 projects in various fields, including in infrastructure, water and health development.
How much is being skimmed off?
Meanwhile, Fatah announced that it would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
Then negotiations will fail. That one's not optional.
Fatah spokesman Ahmed Assaf dismissed demands that the Palestinians accept Israel as a Jewish state. He said such a demand was in violation of international law and threatened to sabotage the peace talks.
Then the talks will be mighty short ...
Accepting Israel's demand meant that "millions of Palestinians would be expelled from their historic homes and lands -- and this will never happen," the Fatah spokesman said.
Interesting poll results at the link.
They're still hammering the 'right of return', and that means talks will fail.
Posted by: || 09/04/2010 11:12 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "They're still hammering the 'right of return'"

I think Israel should call their bluff on that one. Agree to it, but only after Jews have been allowed to safely, with government protection if necessary, return to the moslem countries they were driven out of. And live there unmolested for at least a year, maybe two, before the paleos get their "right." And just one anti-Jewish incident in any of those countries scotches the whole deal.

Though if they do demand it, I'd suggest Israel not hold their collective breaths waiting for it to happen. (I'd also suggest they put in their earplugs to protect themselves against the noisy, incessant whining that would ensue.)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/04/2010 18:57 Comments || Top||

#2  as soon as all the Middle East Arab nations allow the peaceful unmolested right-of-return for Jews, Christians? You go first
Posted by: Frank G || 09/04/2010 19:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Combating corruption? Shoot, one of the most basic besides drugs and prostitution, is nepotism. It's a way of life there extended beyong the family to the tribe level. Shoot, the US has laws against it and we still have problems with it. How are they going to control that, "minor," act of corruption when it's part of their culture?
Posted by: miscellaneous || 09/04/2010 20:35 Comments || Top||


Arabs believe Israel taking land as punishment for violence
RAMALLAH: Jewish occupiers on Friday seized control over 130 dunams (32 acres) of Palestinian land in the West Bank village of Qaryout, to the south of Nablus, an official said.

Ghassan Daghlas, the Palestinian Authority official monitoring settler activity in the northern West Bank, said that the occupiers from nearby settlements of Shilo and Eli “arrived at the land and seized it.” He added that the occupiers installed barbed wires around the piece of land, started bulldozing it and planting olive tress.

Daghlas added that the occupiers brought water tankers with them. According to the official, the move is part of the occupiers’ ‘Price tag’ policy after the shooting attack near West Bank city of Hebron that left 4 occupiers dead.
I've seen nothing about this in the Jerusalem Post, so consider the claim unsubstantiated at this point. But it's interesting that the PA believes it -- or at least believes the claim is believable.
Posted by: || 09/04/2010 10:48 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When you're bad, you lose a toy.

Even a child understands that.

Paleostains will no doubt take a considerable time to comprehend it.
Posted by: bigjim-CA || 09/04/2010 13:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Heck they still haven't gotten past that whole cause - effect thingy.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/04/2010 13:18 Comments || Top||

#3  The cited article is just propaganda using the 'Zionist invaders' meme, closely related to the 'death to infidels' meme.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 09/04/2010 13:27 Comments || Top||

#4  If you have a dog that won't stop biting, you smack it on the muzzle. Not too hard: just enough so that it figures out that it's being bad. After a while it will stop.

But dogs are perfectly reasonable creatures.
Posted by: Secret Master || 09/04/2010 15:33 Comments || Top||

#5  The cited article is just propaganda

It's the Arab News, so probably, Anguper Hupomosing9418. But the Palestinians, who no longer believe President Obama will be able to force Israel to disgorge land for the possibility of potential future peace, believe there is a cause-and-effect aimed at them. And as the latest polls show the Israelis now believe negotiation at this time is pointless...
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/04/2010 18:07 Comments || Top||

#6  Bah. They haven't lost enough....
Posted by: Ptah || 09/04/2010 18:10 Comments || Top||

#7  taking their lives hasn't seemed to focus them on the problem with their behavior, taking their land seems to get their attention, barely. Take their land til they behave or have no more
Posted by: Frank G || 09/04/2010 18:17 Comments || Top||

#8  I have been proposing the Israelis do this for some time. In Islam, land is the one tangible way to show that someone is a good Muslim. Ideally, to take "new" Muslim land, but under all circumstances, to retain land that has been taken by Muslims. To "lose" "Muslim land" to infidels is the worst thing that could happen to a Muslim. It is complete failure.

Importantly, this singular focus on land above everything else, made absolutely no sense to the Israelis, who have a thousand, ten thousand joys in life, and were willing to offer most of them, but not land.

And this is why there is an impasse.

But if Israelis start to take "Muslim land", it throws the Muslims into an utter panic. Importantly, once "taken", it can never, ever be given back, or the Muslims would go on a feeding frenzy.

Instead, once land is taken, the Israelis negotiating point should be "Now behave, or we'll take *more* of your land."

That, and only that, will get through their thick heads, and may actually lead to armistice, if not peace.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/04/2010 19:21 Comments || Top||

#9  Some times I wish Israel would just take over the entire area. At least we'd have some stability in the region.
Posted by: miscellaneous || 09/04/2010 20:31 Comments || Top||

#10  I have been proposing the Israelis do this for some time.

Yes, you have, Anonymoose. I don't recall this reasoning, though. Thought provoking -- thanks!
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/04/2010 23:49 Comments || Top||


Let us see what kind of deal Netanyahu is offering: Moussa
[Al Arabiya] The Arab League's secretary general Jerry Lewis doppelgänger Amr Moussa said on Friday negotiations between Israelis and Paleostinians should be given a chance, but wondered whether Israel was ready for "real peace."
"I've been gone for a while, but now it's time to pay attention to meeeeeeeee!"
"We see the negotiations start, let us give them a chance," Moussa told AFP at the Forum Ambrosetti, an annual political and economic summit in Cernobbio, on the Lake of Como in Northern Italy.

"I don't want to be pessimistic on the first day of negotiations," he added. "Let us see what kind of compromise (Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin) Netanyahu is offering, we have never heard from the Israeli side any initiative or any concrete position," Moussa said.
"And we never will, even if they meet all our most fanciful demands."
Moussa wondered whether Israel was ready to accept "a Paleostinian state with east Jerusalem as its capital."
No. Any other questions?
Netanyahu and Paleostinian president the ineffectual Mahmoud Abbas have vowed to meet twice a month in a bid to hammer out an accord, after on Thursday launching the first direct negotiations in 20 months a meeting in Washington.

U.S. President Barack "Obama can, he said it, this is his motto, 'yes we can' and this has to cover the Arab-Israeli conflict too," Moussa said.

Ahead of Thursday's Washington meeting, Moussa said there was widespread pessimism in the region about new peace talks between Israel and the Paleostinians.
On the Arab side it's pessimism that President "Yes we can" will be able to force Israel to surrender. On the Israeli side it's conviction that the Arabs don't want peace, so the exercise is pointless. But they've noticed they can thrive without a formal peace, even if the war-loving Gazans can't. The relatively more peaceful West Bankers have started to notice a payoff, too, and they're starting to police themselves to maintain it.
Posted by: Fred || 09/04/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Palestinian Authority

#1  Wait long enough and you'll get the deal you deserve.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/04/2010 8:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Sit!
Good dawg.

LOL, like it? Course you do.

Posted by: Shipman || 09/04/2010 11:27 Comments || Top||

#3  If you don't like it, STFU and start to mobilize.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/04/2010 11:28 Comments || Top||

#4  Actually I suspect there won't be any deal. The general way it works is that they start with some deal, then the Palestian say, no, we need this. Then Israel changes to accomodate, the the Palestians say that's not good enough. They keep it up until the come to a demand that Israel can't meet this is side or creation. Then they Palestians dont' have to make a deal and can then blame Israel for not giving enough and not wanting to deal. The other important note is that they Palestinian side will not offer up any thing. They keep making Israel give up items until they hit that dead end.
Posted by: miscellaneous || 09/04/2010 20:16 Comments || Top||


Hamas condemns 'direct talks'
[Al Jazeera] Hamas, always the voice of sweet reason, and Islamic Jihad supporters have rallied in the Gazoo Strip to mark Al Quds day and to condemn the direct talks launched in Washington between Israel and the Paleostinian Authority.

Friday's rally comes a day after armed groups said that they had joined forces to step up attacks against Israel, possibly including suicide kabooms.

Al Quds day is an annual event on the last Friday of Ramadan, expressing solidarity with the Paleostinian people and opposing Zionism.

"The negotiations that the Paleostinian people have tried for over two decades are pointless negotiations, the Paleostinian people never gained anything from them except the loss of their cause and their rights," Ismail Rudwan, a Hamas official, told a large cheering crowd.

"Therefore, we consider that participating in these negotiations is a crime and treason."

Binyamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, and the ineffectual Mahmoud Abbas, the Paleostinian president, held talks sponsored by the US administration in Washington on Thursday.
Posted by: Fred || 09/04/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under: Hamas


Southeast Asia
Sydney flight grounded over bomb threat
A CHINA Airlines flight bound for Sydney has been grounded for safety checks in Taiwan because of an alleged bomb threat, airport police say.

Flight CI051 was due to depart at 11:55pm on Friday (1.55am AEST Saturday) from Taipei but is currently being inspected for possible explosives, an official at the Aviation Police Office in Taoyuan international airport in northern Taiwan said.

"We are handling the matter right now," the official said.

It was not immediately clear how many passengers were on board or when the safety checks would finish.
Posted by: Oztralian || 09/04/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
'US to continue supplying military assistance to Lebanon'
...The US State Department has reportedly been working to allay the concerns of members of Congress who put a hold on the funding.
It's not antisemitism---USDOS is equaly supportive of Pakis who kill Americans
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/04/2010 09:40 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I guess as a matter of efficiency we should ship the aid directly to Terrorhan.
Posted by: Fred || 09/04/2010 12:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Is this a further attempt to appease, or buy off, the enemy? Or are they afraid Russia or China will step into the gap if they quit. That's all we'd need, China increasing its influence.
Posted by: miscellaneous || 09/04/2010 20:29 Comments || Top||


Hezbollah leader praises Hamas for West Bank shooting attacks
[Haaretz] Iranian sock puppet armed militia Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah praised Hamas, always the voice of sweet reason, on Friday for the West Bank shooting attacks which left four Israelis dead and two injured on two consecutive days, saying "this is the way to free Jerusalem and Paleostine."

Four Israelis were killed and two injured this past week in separate shooting attacks in the West Bank. The armed wing of Hamas, the Qassam Brigades, took responsibly for both attacks and vowed that there would be more, just as U.S.-sponsored direct peace negotiations between Israel and the Paleostinians were officially launched in Washington.

Speaking at a rally held in honor of Jerusalem day, in a neighborhood south of Beirut, Nasrallah criticized the Paleostinian Authority for agreeing to direct negotiations with Israel.

"These negotiations were born to die," Nasrallah said.

"Paleostine from the sea to the river is the property of the Paleostinian nation, of the Arab and the Mohammedan, and no one has the right to relinquish that land, not even a drop of its water," Nasrallah said.

While criticizing the Paleostinian Authority, Nasrallah said the Paleostinian group Hamas and other opposition forces "need to hear voices of support from the Arab and Islamic world."

He continued by praising "the steadfast position of resistance forces in Paleostine, Leb and Iraq, along with Syria and Iran," which are helping to prevent Israel and the United States from establishing a "new Middle East."

Jerusalem day was declared by the late supreme leader of the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran, grand ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, and is held on the last Friday of the fasting month of Ramadan. On this day, mass rallies against Israel and in support of the Paleostinians are held throughout the Arab world.

The rallies this year coincided with the first direct Middle East peace talks in almost two years, in Washington, where U.S. President Barack B.O. Obama was hosting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Paleostinian President the ineffectual Mahmoud Abbas.
Posted by: Fred || 09/04/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah

#1  VARIOUS > NASRALLAH > Direct Israeli-Paleo peace talks "born to die" = also being repor in MSM-Net as "BORN DEAD" [stillborn], i.e. "DEAD' BEFORE IT STARTED???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/04/2010 2:25 Comments || Top||


Hezbollah "not concerned" in UN Hariri tribunal
[Al Arabiya] The Iranian sock puppet party Hezbullah chief Hassan Nasrallah on Friday said a U.N. investigating the murder of Lebanese ex-premier Rafiq Hariri did "not concern" him, because it had dismissed data provided by his armed group.

"We have said that the tribunal and its prosecutor do not concern us and subsequently we are not concerned with answering the questions or requests of the prosecutor," Nasrallah said in a televised speech to mark the Iranian-inspired al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day.

"Weeks ago we said the resistance feels that it is being targeted, and we proposed a few ideas and revealed some evidence," said Nasrallah, who has accused Israel of the 2005 murder of Hariri.

"The prosecutor commented on this evidence by saying... it was insufficient," Nasrallah said.

On Aug. 9, Nasrallah produced several undated clips of aerial views of various areas in Leb that he said were intercepted from unmanned Israeli surveillance drones. The clips included footage of the site of the Hariri assassination, shot several years before the murder.

The Lebanese government on Aug. 17 submitted a copy of Hezbullies's alleged evidence to the U.N.-backed Special Tribunal for Leb, an international investigation into the Feb. 14, 2005 bombing that killed Hariri and 22 others in Beirut, in response to a request by office of prosecutor Daniel Bellemare.

But Bellemare's office said the evidence was incomplete and called for any remaining material to be submitted without delay.

"We gave what evidence we have to Lebanese jurisdiction based on the request of Lebanese jurisdiction," Nasrallah said Friday.

"If this jurisdiction has any questions, we are ready" to cooperate, he added.

"But if this jurisdiction is just a mailbox between us and the prosecutor, then we are not ready."
Posted by: Fred || 09/04/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah


Home Front: Culture Wars
Iraq Veteran Stripped of Right To Bear Arms
Diagnosed with PTSD, The V.A. declared Wayne Irelan incompetent and now his right to own a gun is gone.
An excerpt:
The couple didn't know Wayne's gun rights had been terminated until they went to get a gun out of pawn. Days later Wayne got a letter from the Arkansas State Police saying his concealed carry permit had been revoked. The ATF has told the Irelans that they could go to jail if a firearm is found in their home.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/04/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ATF. Weren't they Bill Clinton's gustapo back when he was POTUS? Looks like Hussein has his little group of enforcers.
Posted by: Angirong Hupaviger9578 || 09/04/2010 0:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Our gun laws are totally f*cked up.
Posted by: badanov || 09/04/2010 0:33 Comments || Top||

#3  I could see restricting his access to firearms if he had shown a violent form of PTSD, but that's about it. I'd also expect them to lift it when he got things sorted out. Even if he can't use or buy them, but why can't his wife? She's not PTSD or have any restrictions? I mean how many PTSD folks have gone around and a gun blitz? Isn't there far more Postal employees and communist, eco-terrorists doing this? Besides the fact, wouldn't he be more suicidal than attack another? Maybe I'm just speaking out my backside, but oh well.
Posted by: msicellaneous || 09/04/2010 8:37 Comments || Top||

#4  This happened to a good friend of mine who did two tours in Vietnam as a Marine. He later became a police officer. He lost his rights to carry or own a firearm. One declared incompetent, it is nearly impossible to get out from under the label. Your Constitutional rights are severely limited--worse than a convicted criminal. A convicted criminal in many cases can have his rights restored. Our gun laws are totally f*cked up.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/04/2010 10:15 Comments || Top||

#5  Our gun laws are totally fucked up, first they come for the felons, then the so called insane, then the so called incompetents, soon... very soon, morons will join the list.

At that point I fear for our Republic.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/04/2010 11:25 Comments || Top||

#6  When a government ceases to be a custodian of our rights and starts being a preventative agent, abuses occur. A lot of abuses.

Ship, that statement is too dumb by half even for you!
Posted by: badanov || 09/04/2010 11:34 Comments || Top||

#7  Ship, that statement is too dumb by half even for you!

No...that seems about right.
Posted by: Secret Asian Man || 09/04/2010 11:44 Comments || Top||

#8  Just ignore Shitman. He's a fucking idiot, as he proves every time he posts, and when he uses alternate nyms - he's too much of a pussy to man up and keep to one name.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/04/2010 11:53 Comments || Top||

#9  By the way this oughta be more under non-WOT than WOT-background.

Have a good holiday weekend all, Im goin fishing.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/04/2010 11:57 Comments || Top||

#10  I am tired of these long-running feuds. OldSpook, you and Shipman don't like each other, and that's fine. But I see no reason why the rest of us have to put up with it. I sinktrapped your comment, above, for that reason.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/04/2010 13:05 Comments || Top||

#11 
Shipman: for some reason you've developed a talent for pissing off multiple people. That's unfortunate, though perhaps you have a future as a Democrat. In the meantime, we mods are unhappy that you're causing trouble for the Burg.

You know the rules. Play by them. Consider this a final opportunity.

AoS
Posted by: Steve White || 09/04/2010 13:57 Comments || Top||

#12  I don't understand why Shipman is being warned. So we can't piss people off anymore? I took Shipman's post as a warning against over-reacting. Dopey me.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 09/04/2010 20:14 Comments || Top||

#13  Our government seems to take any opportunity to restrict our ability to bear arms - 'never let a crisis go to waste.' They confiscated guns here during Katrina (and despite court order, have returned very few in usable condition.) They have used Hurricane Earl as an excuse to limit gun transport in NC. (Note that both LA and NC are generally speaking gun-friendly states!) Using PTSD as a blanket excuse to take guns away fits the model (specific cases, for necessary times, is probably appropriate.)
What the 'people' seem to be ignorant of, but the government is VERY aware of, is that the Second Amendment was written for one specific reason - to make it less difficult for the people to rise up and overthrow the government. I doubt it will ever come to that, because the government has been very effective at taking over the education process, such that there are just not very many people left who CAN even concieve of rebelling against the government.
Posted by: Glenmore || 09/04/2010 20:16 Comments || Top||

#14  Glenmore: the more the government works to disenfranchise those who have fought for them, the easier rebellion against the union becomes to conceive.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 09/04/2010 21:08 Comments || Top||



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