Too much spam from Boris. I'm shutting Guest Posting down for awhile. When it comes back it'll be moderated. Sorry.
It's turned back on now, but articles will dump to the holding tank. Sorry you won't see it displayed right away, but I'm not putting up with anymore of Boris' crap. Some people get their jollies by shitting in the punchbowl.
I was kind of scared to look when I got up this morning, but it things seem to be working. Since I edit most posts for formatting and that sort of stuff anyway, I guess it won't be that much different for me, and actually faster.
NEW! IMPROVED! Most posts should show up immediately if you've posted before and if you've commented. I don't know if the method's foolproof, but it seems pretty slick to me. We'll see how it works.
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03/19/2004 12:36:05 AM ||
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Can't say as I blame you. Good luck Fred. You might try taking his IP address (its in your logs) and complaining to his ISP about his abuse of your system. He is probably violating the AUP of whomever he connects through.
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David's Medienkritik has had a lot of problems also. The trolls must have some new fun code.
Posted by: Mr. Davis ||
03/19/2004 0:41 Comments ||
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He's got multiple IPs, aliases, all the crap you'd expect. He's a professional spammer. Posts will now dump into a holding tank for review.
Posted by: Fred ||
03/19/2004 0:44 Comments ||
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So I was right - he's simply using you to try to get his google score higher so he can foist his patholigical psychoses and ideaology off on innocent parties searching for the real "ADL".
Well Fred/Rantburg, welcome to the big-time. You're important enough in terms of eyes-on-the-pages to where people like this notice you to abuse your board. Sucks that scum like this who can barely keep the drool off the keyboards are causing you to take such steps.
#8
Yeah, I was always suprised it didn't get swarmed with dumbasses, racist and terrorist... I guess it was unfortunately just a matter of time. Oh well, only thing that sucks now is that maintaining the site is gonna be a lot more work for Fred.
#10
hey fred, quick question,
the inline comments are getting colorful; as the number of editors increases, do you have plans on throwing up a color guide on who each inliner is who?
#11
It sucks Fred but you do what you have to do. You have my support.
Posted by: Larry Everett ||
03/19/2004 1:32 Comments ||
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Fred I thought of an idea. What do ya think of this...
If the user doesn't have a cookie they get sent into the delay bin for you to review. If they do have a cookie and it matches a designated "accepted cookie" or key that you maintain on your server it posts immediatly. You keep a mailing list of people that want to allow posting privlages and whenever you change the accepted cookie you email them an URL to set their cookie to post. That way regulars can post immediatly and if someone who you don't want to give access to gets a hold of a valid cookie you can just remove it from your side and send out an email with a link to get the new cookie.
#13
Way to go fred/RB loyals!!
I look forward to viewing daily information as much as that first beer evernight after work. I usually lean over my chair towards the mouse to hit my favorite link before I reach for the remote to turn on FOX and get the medias view.
Hats off'''''o to the true patriots.
Posted by: Rick ||
03/19/2004 3:23 Comments ||
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You are scared of bare facts?
Then, read www.duke.org at least if afraid of Pribich site.
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Sorry to hear your problems, Fred. I am fairly new to reading RB but for some reason since I saw it noted in Instapundit I visit your site twice a day. Old Chiner in...Yep China.
#21
OS - where are you seeing the garbage in the sidebar? I was in bed when you posted that. Anybody else seeing it?
BTW, Boris, that's not me.
Posted by: Fred ||
03/19/2004 8:47 Comments ||
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DPA - I was working on the cookie idea before I went to bed last night. Hadn't thought about the URL shebang, though. Thanks.
Posted by: Fred ||
03/19/2004 8:50 Comments ||
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I didn't see anything on the sidebar regards ADL either.
Regards OS's colors (esp. black background) - that is a function of his browser failing to render the color properly and falling back to default BG of black instead of rendering nearest value from available color palette. I think, from prev OS posts, he's running something other than IE and, possibly, Windows - which might mean a reduced color palette. No browser more faithfully adheres to the WWW HTML standards than IE. Sorry if folks don't like it - it's a fact.
We Mac users run Safari which is nicely compliant with all the standards. I got to see Dan's colors -- ALL of them :-)
Now if I could only figger out why Fred's Java buttons don't work in the Poster/Editor ....
Posted by: Steve White ||
03/19/2004 9:41 Comments ||
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That's because they're Javascript. Microsoft and the rest of the world have differences in the way they approach the document object. Microsoft allows you to select an subarea within a text area or text box. If I ever have time to go back to Java programming for a visit I might be able to build a data input routine that works the same way (only slower, and not at all if the user has Java turned off or uses a non-Java browser...) I notice that Blogger has the same problem, so I'm not the only one who can't figure it.
Posted by: Fred ||
03/19/2004 9:52 Comments ||
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Hmph. Why, Boris, why ... *sigh* I accede to whatever you need to do, Fred. The cookie thing'd be cool, and my home PC allows them. And Bush DID sign that bill making spam illegal, yeah?
Posted by: Edward Yee ||
03/19/2004 10:00 Comments ||
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I dont blame you Fred. Boris and the like were getting very bothersome.
Too bad Boris had to make it harder for the rest of us posters. What a stupid prick. Perhaps some sort of 'registration' process might be in order to validate those of us who follow the rules.
#28
I'm seeing garbage in the side bar. Ive cut and paste here for you to see:
Crude-Oil Prices Hit 13-Year Pinnacle
Fred, is this you? Your ears are too high to be a Jew, what are you?
Now ADL USA has a photo of another traitor to post!
Anyone, is this Fred Pruitt the traitor of Rantsburg?
Fred, thanks for confirming your identity, American blood is on your hands!
By censoring truth Ranburg's Fred Puitt has American blood on his hands!
Posting is shut off
S. Korea Wonât Send Troops to Iraqi City
How al-Qaeda uses the internet
2 U.S. Soldiers Killed in Afghan Fighting
Gunmen Wound Mexican Governor, Bodyguards
Imad Yarkas admits knowing Zougam
This looks like harrassment to me.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi ||
03/19/2004 10:25 Comments ||
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Fred, when I worked at yahoo we browser detected (off the http header not in client side code) and sent different jscript based on the browser/os etc... kind of a pain in the butt but that's the world we live in with these non-compliant browsers ;)
#30
btw, I'm seeing the same thing lil dhimmi is. It's on the side bar when you click to read the comments on a specific story... not on the main page.
#31
Ahhhh, just realized it's only on the side bar of this story and the ones a few up since it's a static list of the stories that were previous to the one you're looking at. Problem will fix itself...
#32
Lil Dhimmi / DPA: Tell Fred what browser, version, and OS you're running - otherwise he prolly won't even know where to begin. You're right, DPA - they all do it differently.
Dr Steve, those of us who've had to deal with the multitude of browsers and system OS palettes know which ones work well, which ones are okay, and which ones suck. They run the gamut.
BTW, I have nothing against Macs - except the limited software library available. I had both a PC (DOS) and an original B&W Mac for over a year, myself. When it was time to get a better box, I went for a new PC simply because that's where the software is - and that's what matters in the end.
Whatever gives me the best bang for the buck, that's my primary consideration. I don't wear T-shirts with ANYONE's advertising! Oops, not true - I have one: The 72 Virgins Dating Service, heh.
#33
I think I've got a routine that'll cut the moderating feature to only new posters -- once you're accepted the first time you'll be good to go, mostly. It's cookie-based, so you'll have to have cookies turned on and you'll have to comment before making that first post. If you change machines (like when you go home from work) you'll have to repeat the sequence again. But the way most people here comment, you'll probably never notice the diff.
I hope.
Posted by: Fred ||
03/19/2004 11:09 Comments ||
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Come on Fred, this is US in time of war and you want to censor the truth while Americans are dying in Iraq on basis of lies -- where are your loyalties?
#35
Ultimately the way to go is to provide client-side certificates for people allowed to post. Posting actions would take place in a SSL-protected web page with permissions only to people with a Rantburg-issued client certificate.
A Rantburg certificate would be cool.
Posted by: A ||
03/19/2004 12:08 Comments ||
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Hey Guys - one thing I'm worried about is if this guy or others will start to use our aliases. Is there a way we could use logons with passwords to post articles? Something like Fark.com does
Posted by: Yosemite Sam ||
03/19/2004 12:24 Comments ||
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I had this happen to one of my sites....it was warez kiddies though.
I went to an automated login process (it emailed the password and most people used throw away email accounts). The first 10 posts of new members were held for review after that they went through. It was only more work in the first week and after that it worked like a charm.
I use PHP and I don't think that the system impacted the anonymity of my users at all....I still have no clue who most of them are.
rd
Posted by: red ||
03/19/2004 12:33 Comments ||
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#36 - I'm using more than just the logon.
I can say no more.
Posted by: Fred ||
03/19/2004 12:38 Comments ||
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Fred's using the keyboard port to read fingerprints again.
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YS, if one of my comments sounds rationale and undemented, disregard it. The commenter must be an imposter.
Posted by: Super Hose ||
03/19/2004 14:04 Comments ||
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Registering with password sounds fine to me... and if everybody ignores types like Boris (just deleting him) I think he'll grow bored and spam somebody else.
God Bless you Fred! A lot of people really appreciate your efforts and the service you are providing. I said elsewhere, but will repeat here as well that I agree with someone's prior post that this must be some form of harassment. I was looking at the U.S. Code, and since the guy is soliciting donations for his website (under fraudulent pretenses) it could well be a RICO violation, but this is not my area of specialty. I know itâs time consuming, but I wonder if a call to your local U.S. attorneyâs office might be worthwhile:
U.S. Attorney's Office, Main Office
101 West Lombard Street
Baltimore, MD 21201
(410) 209-4800
Since this moron is using the internet to perpetuate his harassment, it would be a federal offense if (as I suspect) the harassment can be characterized as criminal.
If anyone thinks it would be useful, I have a small dossier of info compiled on Boris the Troll via the net. I emphasize that this is all/all public, open-source information, the vast majority of it left in a trail of slime by Boris himself. It includes numerous web and email addresses together with some IPs. I will be happy to post the entire thing and/or email to known Rantburgians.
Fred/Cingold - as a lawyer, former prosecutor and former cop, I will research the legal end of things to see if there is any possibility. Cingold, I like the way you think ...
Posted by: Sofia ||
03/19/2004 17:05 Comments ||
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Sofia, Boris makes it clear that he'll be filing criminal complaints in the US DOJ against everyone who has violated his Civil Rights, and that includes the Jewish ADL and JDL for Terrorism on US soil. This time they won't be able to forge Jury Instructions as Jewish judge and state prosecutor did in 1992, see link.
I've sent Boris' information to some "friends" of mine. Boris is toast. It may take a year, maybe even longer, but these guys don't play fair, they play to win. Anonymous, this site is being monitored by some of the folks in Washington, beginning about 10:30AM this morning. I'd be very careful about slinging accusations or making threats. There are about a dozen of us that fall under 10USC101.35. "A word to the wise is sufficient." Let's see if you're a wise man.
Posted by: Old Patriot ||
03/19/2004 17:23 Comments ||
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OS - Been in Saudi and Thailand for 3+ yrs and working to corp standards - so I've never used Gecko. You may be perfectly right regards today's browsers, but I cut a LOT out of my post, such as faithfully rendering borders and cell BG's and tables and frames and more. Only IE v3.3 and up did them correctly last time I was forced to work the front-end shit - which was late 2000 . early 2001. I kept hearing nightmare stories about Nutscrape up until sometime mid 2003. IE is free, works fine, and compliant - so I don't need a 3rd party browser.
The black BG's you were seeing this AM were an anomaly of your browser and/or operating system. It SHOULD have taken the closest color value from the palette, if it couldn't render the specified HTML value properly - and believe me, I saw the orange and yellow BG's Dan was playing with, not black as you described. So there is a problem on your system. It doesn't matter to me if you use Gecko or Geico, bro! I was just relating my experiences with the causes of such symptoms. :-)
#50
Fred - just hit the PayPal button for you. I don't know how you do all you do (and I don't understand any of the technical stuff), but I know we all appreciate your doing it.
C'mon, Rantburgers - time to give Fred more than moral support!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut ||
03/19/2004 18:14 Comments ||
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Sofia, Boris makes it clear that he'll be filing criminal complaints in the US DOJ against everyone who has violated his Civil Rights
The protection against civil rights violation is a protection of the people against government, not private actors not acting under color of state law (except where slavery is involved). Unless the good folk of Rantburg are turning you into a slave, you're SOL -- the DOJ can't help you; although, they may prosecute you for interstate crime.
What you need is a psychoanalyst, or spiritual father (if you retain any shred of Orthodoxy). Being saved by Croats from Croats, I think you have adopted the mindset of Ante Pavelic. The ends (if you deem them important) justify the means (if you think theyâll work). This is heresy, and disgraces the memories of those slaughtered by the Ustase (remember the saying, âkill a third, expel a third, and convert a thirdâ) simply for how they crossed themselves. If you had a point to make, you lost it by offending the good people of Rantburg. That is why I believe you are working for the Ustase and Islamofascists -- you are attempting to defile the good name of Serbian Orthodoxy! And not a word from you today about the atrocities being committed by your brothers (the Albanians) in Kosovo, the historic homeland of Serbia. Shame on you traitor! May God have mercy on your soul, if you repent!
#57
Hi Fred...Traveller here. I am so sorry to see the trouble that Boris is putting you through.
I am certain that you will devise a good solution to the problem, but I do hope that you will make every effort to keep the posting privileges as open as possible.
Though I am a card-carrying liberal, I have always attempted to post responsibly. I also remember our friend from Turkey, (Marius?), and some of the fun debates from about a year ago with him...his insight on the differences between " a Tribal Way of Life," and ours in the West remains with me to this day.
So, in the end, I suppose that this is a plea to keep as many and as diverse a population of posters as possible.
Primates - Why Do They Hate Us?
A 300-pound gorilla that escaped from its habitat at the Dallas Zoo was shot and killed by police Thursday after it injured three people, authorities said. The three people -- two women and a 3-year-old boy -- were taken to separate hospitals with "extensive bites" and scratches, officials said. Another person was injured but was treated at the scene, police said. It was unclear whether the person was injured by the gorilla.
Jabari, a 13-year-old western lowland gorilla, escaped from his habitat just after 4:45 p.m. Police said officials evacuated zoo patrons or kept them in locked-down facilities as they attempted to contain the gorilla. Dallas tactical officers shot the gorilla when he charged them. "Iâve been to the scene, and Iâve seen that the gorilla was on top of two little childrensâ sandals," Deputy Police Chief Danny Garcia said at a news conference an hour after the incident.
Dallas Fire-Rescue officials said a 39-year-old woman, a 26-year-old mother and her 3-year-old son were injured by the gorilla and taken by ambulance to Dallas hospitals. The 39-year-old woman was taken to Dallas Methodist Medical Center, the 26-year-old woman to Parkland Memorial Hospital and the boy to Childrenâs Medical Center. KXAS/Channel 5 identified the 26-year-old woman as Keisha Herd. The station also reported that the 3-year-old boy was in critical condition.
The 39-year-old woman, Cheryl Reichert of Mesquite, conducted a news conference late Thursday at Dallas Methodist Medical Center. She recalled the chaos and her confrontation with the gorilla. "All these people were screaming and running for their lives," she said. "I donât think Iâll ever be that scared in my life." Reichert said a zoo employee helped her after the gorilla attacked her. She said she remembered watching the flesh fall off her arm as she was running. She also saw the 3-year-old who was attacked. "Iâll never forget that look on his face," she said. Authorities said the gorilla threw the boy and his mother against a wall. The boy suffered the most injuries, with bites all over his body. His mother had bites on her legs. None of the injuries was believed to be life-threatening.
Zoo Director Rich Buickerood said it is unclear how the gorilla escaped from his 2-acre exhibit, which has walls about 12 to 16 feet high. Zoo visitors on the Nature Trail in the Wilds of Africa saw the gorilla and called 911, according to a zoo news release. At the same time, a Code Red was issued by the zoo staff. Savina Vallejo, 16, of Frisco was near the gorilla exhibit when she heard loud banging noises and screaming. She turned to see what was happening. "I saw the gorilla; he was just standing there, and then I saw him running, so I grabbed the baby and started running," she said, referring to a 3-year-old cousin who was with her. Witnesses said chaos quickly ensued and a mother dropped her child as she fled. Many families were separated during the confusion, and police were conducting a thorough search of the zoo late Thursday to make sure no one was injured or left behind, Deputy Chief Garcia said. "You can imagine the pandemonium we had down here," Garcia said.
Buickerood said one patron cut into meshing in the Forest Aviary to free others who were trapped in the section where the gorilla was. He said another worked to distract Jabari. Jabari was shot at three times by long rifles purchased by the zoo. Garcia defended the use of firearms. He said there was not enough time to locate tranquilizer guns because authorities feared that visitors were still in the area and because the animal had already attacked once. When two officers located Jabari, he charged at them and they fired three shots, Garcia said. "We had a worse-case scenario here. ... We feel terrible that we had to put this gorilla down," Garcia said.
Buickerood said zoo staff members and police officers have gone through various training scenarios in case such a situation ever arose. Although he said he wished it had ended differently, Buickerood commended the officers for their actions. He said that gorillas are naturally gentle animals and that Jabari, who was obtained from the Toronto Zoo eight years ago, was a "frisky" young gorilla coming into his prime. He said he doesnât know what caused him to attack. "I would suspect that Jabari was as frightened as everyone else," he said. "Weâre just hoping we can learn from this," Buickerood said. "He was a very inquisitive youngster, and itâs a shame to lose him like this."
According to Dallaszoo.org, seven gorillas are kept in the Wilds of Africa habitat. The habitat is designed to allow the zooâs gorillas to roam freely in an exhibit that replicates their native equatorial forest habitat. The exhibit features two groups of western lowland gorillas, each led by a silverback male. The exhibit also features the Field Research Station, a thatch-roofed building with electronic equipment and video screens that allow researchers and visitors to observe gorilla behavior, according to the Web site. Gorilla guides are on hand daily to provide educational information.
In 1998, a 340-pound gorilla escaped from his room at the Dallas Zoo, raided the kitchen, bit one of his keepers and then dragged her down a hallway. The gorilla, named Hercules, was captured after a veterinarian shot him with a tranquilizing dart. He was loaded onto a tarp and dragged back to his bedroom to sleep it off.
The Fort Worth Zoo has an animal response team to deal with such situations, although police intervention is possible, depending on the situation, said Lyndsay Nantz, a Fort Worth Zoo spokeswoman. If an animal escapes, the first step is for senior staff members in the area to be alerted. They would assess the situation, and what they would decide to do would depend on whether the animal was inside a building or outside, and how much of the zoo needed to be evacuated, Nantz said. "We would first try to assess the situation, and quarantine or get the animal in a situation where it would be separated from guests and staff," Nantz said. Normally, supervisors would be in charge of tranquilizing the animal, she said. A zoo has a team for large and dangerous animal escapes that is supposed to handle situations such as the one that occurred in Dallas, she said. The team, which would be under the control of high-ranking zoo supervisors, could kill an animal if needed, she said. About 6,000 people visited the Dallas Zoo on Thursday, but portions of the zoo will be closed today.
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This was a big story on yokel tv. One woman told a reporter that shooting the gorrilla was wrong because "it was just following its natural instinct."
Well, it's our natural instinct to shoot critters that harm children.
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I don't believe this attack was committed by a gorilla. Gorillas are peaceful creatures. Jane Goodall sez so! How can a theory be wrong?
This must be lies spread by the Evil Western Media to inflame interspecies passions and hatreds. Gorillas, like Muslims, believe in peace and would never go around biting, killing or blowing stuff up.
#4
As sad as this whole incident was when we heard about this on the radio at work we all busted out laughing after ten seconds or so. Just the thought of the proverbial 350lb Gorilla. Hope the kid makes it. He could use or thoughts and prayers. Even NMMs
#5
Jabari was shot at three times by long rifles purchased by the zoo. Garcia defended the use of firearms. He said there was not enough time to locate tranquilizer guns because authorities feared that visitors were still in the area and because the animal had already attacked once
how in hell they find long guns but cant finding trankwilizer rifle! these yahoos just want to kill the poor animal. they endager the public shoting live ammo in chaos and could kill people as well as poor jabari. and who open his cage! gorilla normaly peaceful creatur and someone must have piss him off. probly kids throwing stuff at him. gorilla also get piss off becuase they want be free and back in the jungle and not lock up. we lock up criminal and not poor animal. how would you like to be lock up in jail for who you were born. that sounds like racist to me. jabari was suffering life and now thanks to jerks he is now dead. a true marter for his cause. we need to abolish the fashist zoo institushun before more tragedy occer but chainey probly wont let that happen. rest in peace jabari and we will alway remeber you smiling.
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SteveS: I wouldn't lump Jane Goodall in with the more egregious animal rights activists; she's done a lot of work over the years on the topic of chimpanzees going to war against each other (although they have apparently now expanded their activities to flooding and google-bombing rantburg). I'd also like to point out that gorillas in the wild are being hunted into extinction for their meat... if you want to read more about that, I'd suggest http://karlammann.com/. All of that said, if I were in the same situation as the zookeepers, I'd have shot it. On the third hand, I'm slightly bothered by the report that this isn't the first gorilla escape at the zoo. This suggests that they really need to reevaluate their procedures.
Posted by: Phil Fraering ||
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ROFL....Brother Muck4doo Johnson is right! (except about the chainney part)...BWAhahahahahahaha!
Posted by: Jen ||
03/19/2004 20:49 Comments ||
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Something doesn't fit here. The gorilla was "shot by police", then the story says the gorilla was killed by "long rifles purchased by the zoo". Police usually have their own weapons, and don't use guns supplied by others. I'd like to see some clarification here.
As for there not being tranquilizer guns available, that's quite understandable. It takes time to load a syringe with a tranquilizer. You can't keep a "loaded tranquilizer gun" around, because the stuff decays at room temp. I've also learned from a friend of mine that many companies are buying and storing LOADED FIREARMS around their offices and workspaces, so their people might have a fighting chance against terrorism. I pray the kid recovers ok, but I'm sure he's going to have an aversion to zoos when he gets older.
Posted by: Old Patriot ||
03/19/2004 23:04 Comments ||
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Jon Shep, some advice to you. When using a urinal after someone like Muck-a-doo, visually check to confirm that the drain under the Smell-Nice mint is not obstructed. Sometimes flow can be blocked by the congealed mass of chicken feathers pasted together. I speculate that this clogging is only caused by the rare naturalist chicken admires because they refuse to use Vaseline and go with mayo instead. Its a tragic mistake and much less comfortable for Foghorn Leghorn's sister.
Also, operate the flush-o-meter with your elbow out of general cleanliness principles. You will still be infected, but most really virulent infections succumb to extreme heat. Nobody wants to have to apply boiling water or a blow torch to the palm of their hand.
Posted by: Super Hose ||
03/19/2004 23:21 Comments ||
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Yeah, the little boy is going to have some pretty complicated trauma reactions from the experience. But, c'mon guys--the gorilla is just an animal. It felt threatened by all of the people (to him they were a bunch of other animals), so it attacked. And even if they've created a habitat that mimics the creature's natural habitat at the Dallas zoo, which is a good thing--it's still TOO SMALL. (Duh.) For the higher-level primates, and many other animals, such as the big cats, living in a zoo is like being in a prison. It's a lot of stress for them. The cruelty of the confinement is instinctually experienced by the animal as a condition of constant threat, and it does things to them. I'm just sorry it happened at all. Personally, I think zoos should display animals that are not as adversely affected by confinement.
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I live at Gorilla Ground Zero (Dallas). 2 things:
The Zoo was packed today.
Word has it that local children threw things, used pea shooters, shot water pistols, etc. at the poor gorillas all the time and that their taunting of the animals had been quite cruel and relentless.
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MasturbateForPeace.com announced its endorsement of Ralph Nader for president in the 2004 election. In addition to bestowing this much sought-after endorsement, the site also launched a âNads for Nader campaign, rallying support for Nader nationwide through the power of masturbation. They claim theyâre serious about this.
"No other candidate has ever had the opportunity to tap into the masturbation vote," explained a Masturbate for Peace spokesperson. "This huge block of voters has the power to bring sweeping changes on the political landscape and carry a candidate into office.
"Imagine the tremendous political power if everyone who masturbated got behind a single cause, a single candidate," he explained. Take the sticky floors OUT of the porn mart and put them into the voting booth, where they belong!
Nader Wanker House Parties
âNads for Nader house parties introduce a new paradigm in grassroots organizing, as Nader supporters literally come together for peace. As more and more people join the movement, Ralph Naderâs 2004 presidential candidacy is bound to pick up momentum and build toward a powerful climax.
Start with the issues, then bust out the tissues
Hosting your own masturbation party is surprisingly simple. Here are some guidelines:
Have a meeting agenda and talking points on the Nader platform ready when you begin.
Emphasize how important it is to vote for Nader, and introduce the idea of masturbating for peace.
Provide lube and safe sex supplies for guests.
Encourage each other with slogans like, "Wank for Justice, Wank for Peace" and "Stroke the Vote."
Show some video clips highlighting Naderâs inspiring political message and candidacy, as well as non-exploitative, sex positive porn; we suggest lesbian porn because it appeals to diverse groups. Also, give out T-shirts that read "Lick Bush and Dick in â04." Can these people be any more stupid and any less infantile?
Can these people be any more stupid and any less infantile?
I'm sure they can; just give them time. :-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut ||
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And all these years, you thought it was just name-calling when we referred to Naderists as "wankers."
It might be interesting to meet some of these people some time, but I wouldn't shake hands with them.
#10
This is also contrary to progressive principals in perpetuating the obvious injustice of the sexually priveleged having all the first class stuff they want while the less fortunate must rely on their own poor resources as a substitute.
Justice NOW!
Share the wealth!
I want Salma Hayak!
OUCH!!
My wife just saw that.
Ouch again!
OK, ok, it was just for effect; I am one of the priveleged elite, sort of a limousine liberal of sexual inequality.
OUCH!
Be back in a little bit.
Interest will run high during the next couple of months with the prospects of viewing not just one, but two potentially bright, naked-eye comets. Two at once, time to invest in tin foil stocks.
Both are by-products of systematic searches for asteroids that might closely approach the Earth. One was discovered on Oct. 14, 2002 by the Lincoln Laboratory Near-Earth Asteroid Research survey and was hence christened with the acronym "LINEAR." The other was found on Aug. 24, 2001 by the Near-Earth Asteroid Tracking program and goes by the acronym "NEAT." I not worrying till they name one "HAMMER".
Professional astronomers can observe anywhere from half a dozen to a dozen comets on any given night. But comets bright enough to excite those of us without big telescopes are relatively rare, perhaps appearing on an average of one or two every ten to fifteen years. The last time we saw a truly bright and spectacular naked-eye comet was seven years ago, during the early spring of 1997: Comet Hale-Bopp. Wonder how many cult's will off themselves this time?
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I'm buying stock in Kool-Aid
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I'm going to invest in a decent pellet rifle. I got screwed on the Mars approach... I'm going radical. Any brands recommended? Shotrifles are too loud for streetlights.
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Ship - Benjamin pump .22 cal. No CO2 cartridges and you can put a MASSIVE charge with 8-9 pumps. Kickass pellet rifle. I assume they still sell 'em, anyway.
Muslims in a British city are concerned over advertisements featuring womenâs bottoms. âVelvetâ toilet paper that urges consumers to âlove your bumâ, and G-string and bikini bottom billboards have provoked an outcry in Bradford, home to thousands of Muslims originating from Mirpur in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. An independent body should regulate the content of advertisements to go on billboards, Bradford Council of Mosques President Sher Azam said in a statement. "It is not because they are near mosques and it is not just the Muslim community which is offended," Azam said. "They are degrading to women wherever they are located and it is sad in this day and age to find we have come so low. People should complain; they should not turn a blind eye." Azamâs statement follows damage caused to a billboard close to a Bradford mosque that featured G-strings on four womenâs bottoms. Anonymous protestors have also slashed another billboard elsewhere in the city that advertises womenâs underwear. The campaign against advertisements that offend family values started four years ago when angry Bradford residents slapped paint across a bra advertisement featuring tennis pinup star Anna Kournikova.
More tales of the easily offended...
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Go the fuck back to whatever 4th-world slime pit you crawled out of if you don't like a free open society. No one with a brain will mangle their laws to accommodate you. You probably don't mind piles of dead infidels or innocent Iraqis or Jooo children on a bus... but a titty or a bum and you lose your cookies. You. Are. Sick. Twisted. Fucktards. FOAD.
Close you eyes to the billboards, just as you do to the truth of your gutless hypocrisy.
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seal bradford up with razor wire then sort the fanatics from the normall one,something tells me there wouldn't be many left there after,bradford,what a dump
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A question for our UK brethren:
What's the likely outcome? Will the officials in Bradford capitulate or accommodate them? Since they're prolly good little citizen voters...
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Replace the offending billboards for ads for pork products -- bacon, ham, pickled pig's feet, Spam. That should make them feel better.
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If they don't like it, they shouldn't buy the products. Unfortunately, the muslim world doesn't understand that process. About anything. Don't like democracy, anywhere, even in western countries? Destroy it. Don't like freedom of choice, anywhere? Eradicate it.
And what's so friggin sad and funny about it is, after the dust settles, they would expect us to convert to Islam.
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Of course they'll be accommodated - they'll be allowed to declare themselves a semi-autonomous region like NW Pakistan frontier soon. It's certainly hilly and cold enough.
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I can GUARANTEE that the billboard will be changed. Its just more of the same - They can steam roll our civilization and thats fine as long as WE don't OFFEND them in the process.
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"home to thousands of Muslims originating from Mirpur in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir."
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Cracking night out In Bradford, Shame we don't see of our Muslim freinds in our Pubs, Clubs
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In reply to first comment by some piece of shit, I would say that surely u dun mind seeing asses and boobs on the billboard, cause in ur home ur mom and ur sister walk around naked.....may be u have been banging them too....well nothing new, cause u dun know who ur father is...well i guess that makes u a bastard...yeah thats right...a Bastard
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At least I've seen my mother Mahmood - 'cause she aint hidden under three layers of tarpaulin!! Bet you've never had a shag even. Poor twat Mahmood.
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if you do not like the culture of a country do not move to a non-muslim country, damn twits...
Abramov -- who do you think you are...some 5th column element in israel....
no country should change to appease someone who immigrates there. it is a contradiction to move to a 21st century country and espouse 4th century mentality. i am sure the people of Britain do not want it and i know the people of the US do not it.
just how do you know anything about .com's family? you fucking ingrate...bring some substance to a debate or stay in your shit hold (or spider hole -same thing)
just stay where you are! freedom loving people do not need your racist, 4th century, woman beating, cousin in-breeding, goat abusing bastards here!
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Since underwear ads offend those pooooor Muslims I propose we replace them by ads showing the girls without that offensive underwear.
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Abramov/Boris/Piece of S**t -- Don't like looking at asses? That must be tough shaving without a mirror.
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How 'bout putting up some billboards advertising "Passion of the Christ?" They should like that.
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You write about Middle Age people from Asia!
What can you expect from them?
Your jewish corporate masters brought them to England for the chep labor but main thing is to destroy White Europeans. Europe was WHITE 1941.
Now it is HOG WASH!
Still those savages have more sane brains than you who watch Jews Tube aka electronic bolshevik aka TV. You luvvv Springer/stern/spielberg shows?
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Abramov, What you dont realize is that some of us here in the west are sexually mature enough to be able to look at a woman's body without thinking solely of sex.
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Abramov, What you dont realize is that some of us here in the west are sexually mature enough to be able to look at a woman's body without thinking solely of sex.
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I hope the leftists start getting the picture now. This is the beginning. Once these communities get large enough their demands will only escalate and will all be towards one end: imposing THEIR culture on US. Will we have the balls to stand up to them? In our PC-devastated societies, I'm having severe doubts.
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Surely there are worse things to be offended by than some woman in her bra and knickers on a billboard?
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....or I could just get my chick to go down there in her underpants and ask for some Velvet as well.
Maybe Shep, Howard and I could make a plan. I have a plan!
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First they came for adds selling womens undergarments and I did nothing because I don't wear womens undergaments.
Then they came for the undergarments themselves, and I did nothing...
What is that saying. If you give a mouse a cookie, he'll want a glass of milk.
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What happened to muck4doo and antiwar? Are they okay? I'm worried about them. They usually aren't this normal. They must be having some kind of break down. Just so the rest of us don't follow suit, I'll substitute for their posts this time--cosmic imbalance is nothing to mess with.
"antiwar" says: These kinds of billboards do nothing to better relations with Moslems. When we offend them, they have no other choice than to resort to terrorism in order to maintain their sensibilities and traditions. We should immediately replace the current billboards, across all of England, with ones that apologize to the Moslem world, and then we should promise that we won't do it again. They will love us and stop organizing attacks. I'm just certain sure some of them will. Besides, it was probably Bush who incited the billboard ads in the first place.
"muck4doo' says: thes billibirds try to enslave people to hurt moslems. boreds shud be taken down and birned
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I know where the quran came from. It came out of a pile of dogshit. muhammad was eating his normal supper when he licked and sucked up a big ol' turd. Lying there beneath his favorite doodoo entree was this book, that we now know as the quran....or as it's real name.....queeran.
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A religion that claims to foster and respect sholarship yet turns its back on its origins. Yet another of the bizaire contradictions. i would dearly love to see this published in English. I fear my German is in no way up to this level of scholarship
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I found this interesting! What he is saying is that Islam is medieval christianity that had been translated in the colloquial language of the nomadic Arabs in order to prosletyze them. No wonder the moslems get their nickers in a twist over this, because it means islam is just a corrupted version of christianity, or a non-modernized version - depending on your point of view.
Last week's bombings in Madrid mark a critical turning point in our war against terrorism -- a crossroads as important as Sept. 11, 2001. When historians look back on March 11, 2004, will they see it as the time after which Europe and the United States locked arms against a common foe and went on to achieve greater security on both sides of the Atlantic? Or will they see it as the day al Qaeda drove a wedge between Europe and America and some Europeans decided that they could achieve an accommodation with fanatical Islamic terrorists? In other words, will Madrid be remembered as Pearl Harbor or as Munich?
For now the response of too many Spanish voters looks more like Munich. By electing a new government, the people of Spain implied that they not only reject U.S. policies in Iraq but also the need to join us in the war against terrorism. A recent Pew Research Center poll shows that similar opinions are shared in much of Europe. Majorities in France and Germany hold unfavorable views toward the United States and doubt our sincerity in the global war on terrorism.
A fair number in those "majorities" don't question our sincerity, they oppose our efforts to fight terrorism. They aren't anti-war, they're on the other side.
I understand the Europeans' unease over American power and their anger at the one-sided ways the Bush administration has exercised that power. For example, when the Europeans invoked Article V of the NATO charter after Sept. 11 and pledged to send their troops to fight alongside ours in Afghanistan, the Bush administration rejected the offer and chose to go it alone. That was a mistake, and it sent an offensive and divisive message to our European allies.
We went alone because the Europeans wanted to dictate when and how we'd attack in Afghanistan, which worked out to be "never" and "timidly."
But such decisions cannot be allowed to blind the Europeans to the interest they share with us in confronting the jihadists. In our domestic politics, it is critical that Republicans and Democrats not let the quest for partisan victory this November prevent us from working together now to achieve a national victory over the terrorist insurgency in Iraq. In the same way, it is important that our European allies not allow their opposition to many of the Bush administration's foreign policies to separate them from America in defeating Islamic terrorists.
Lost in the growing transatlantic divide is an understanding that the same solidarity that enabled us to defeat communism is urgently needed to defeat terrorism. Last week's attacks show that al Qaeda does not distinguish between Americans and Europeans -- and anyone in Europe who thinks a separate peace can be made with the terrorists has not heard or read the warnings of Osama bin Laden. We are all their enemies, because we share the same values of freedom and democracy that brought us together as an alliance.
Absolutely right.
In the wake of the Madrid bombings, our leaders and Europe's must work to repair the breach. President Bush should seize the opportunity to turn this tragedy into solidarity by personally reaching out to the people of Spain, honoring their dead, and speaking to our common values and cause. The United States should also request that NATO's North Atlantic Council convene to forge a united strategy for combating terrorism and to invoke Article V of the alliance's charter -- to let the terrorists know that we regard this attack against Spain as an attack against us all. Bush might personally attend this meeting, which would be held in Brussels, to show our willingness not only to lead but also to listen. In response, Europe should take our outstretched hand and commit to working through NATO, not outside it.
Invoking Article V is a terrible idea. We'd spend months nattering away at a conference in Brussels and end up with the French tied around our necks. And the Belgians around our ankles. If Spain wants to respond to terrorism, we're ready to help -- but Zapateros doesn't see the need to "respond", he sees a need to "withdraw". And therein lies the problem.
Then, through our renewed alliance, nations, such as Spain, that sent troops to Iraq and those, such as France, that did not, might all see that the terrorist insurgents we are fighting in Iraq today come from the same fanatical movement as those who struck Madrid. Together we should ask the United Nations to pass another resolution paving the way for NATO to join the critical battle against terrorism in Iraq. If Europe is given a formal role in Iraq through the alliance, and not just a voluntary one through a coalition of the willing, the unilateral withdrawal of troops by any nation is highly unlikely.
Getting NATO into Iraq won't help -- the French and Germans wouldn't commit anyway, and Zapie wants the UN to be in charge of the whole schmeer. And in a year's time, the Iraqis will be running their own show with a defense pact with the US. What's for NATO to do then?
At the height of the Cold War, President John F. Kennedy made clear that America stood with Europe in the fight against communism by asserting that he was one with the people of Berlin. After the Sept. 11 attacks, Europe echoed this sentiment, with a French newspaper proclaiming, "We Are All American." It is time for Americans and Europeans to reaffirm our solidarity by declaring "Somos todos Madrileños" -- we are all citizens of Madrid -- and go forward together to win the war against terrorism.
The Euros were "all Americans" until we picked ourselves off the ground, dusted ourselves off and said, simply, "mister, you got my attention, and you ain't going to like it much." I hope the people of Madrid actually want to do something about terrorism, but after the demonstrations and the election I have my doubts. But we'll be around to help if/when they figure it out; we're kind of good that way.
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Don't write off 30% of the country, they voted PP.
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Even left-wing creeps like Lieberman who did argue Saddam was an "IMMINENT THREAT" cannot express an opinion without engaging in gratuitous LYING. President Bush did not "reject" the help of NATO allies in Afghanistan. It was a special forces operation. The USA did not want to flood the country with EUropeons or Americans which would have been repeat of the tactical mistakes committed by the Brits and the Ruskies in past wars. NATO members with special forces suited to the job were encouraged to contribute. Canada managed to get a "warship" in the vicinity and sent SNIPER teams. Brit, Aussie, Krout and other special forces were in-country. Germany also contributed AWACs to monitor the skies over America. There is not a left of center DIMocrat in this country who is worth a damn in wartime.
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They spoke (easy to do), then voted for an open appeaser (also easy to do), rather than one who'd fight (hard to do). Typical socialist preference for style over substance.
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see, lyot knows the score, yous guys are just too dumb to understand that you defeat an enemy by giving him/her money and askin 'em nicly to play nice.. none of this 'fighting your foe' stuff.. it's just too.. too.. American *fake shudder*
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Iyot - Really? Falling to your knees and giving them a blowjob isn't one of the best choices. Obviously you don't get it: a HUGE step was taken in that election - down the wrong road. Appeasers, and you can pretend Zappy isn't one only so long, always pay repeatedly for that initial act of cowardice. This is simply blackmail writ large. History proves the point beyond doubt. I now sympathize with the Spanish who voted against him - and those who have had those classic second-thoughts and "get it" regards the scale of the mistake.
There is an old joke in the US which used to be funny and used to apply: Q. What's the difference between a tenured Professor and a Terrorist?
A. You can negotiate with a terrorist.
Not AlQ & all of the flavors of asshats which seek to bring the world under their 7th Century Caliphate. Take a good look at the world's hot-spots. Where there's violence, the odds are ridiculously high that it's Islamfascism's attempts to spread. They'll take over peacefully, and the first step has been taken in Spain, or they'll take over forcibly. They'll out-breed you, indoctrinate every child with hatred and a duty to snuff you out, and keep at it until your grandchildren are old and gray and tired of fighting. Implacable - look it up. The spread of Islam has been underway for about 1400 yrs. Take a good look at history. What you need to know to realize how fatally naive your view is - is right there.
"Combat"? Right. Hard to fight from your knees, but as a Socialist, you wouldn't know much about standing up to your enemies and fighting. Giant Puppets and street demonstrations prolly fit your style.
Spain will be pushed around like the playgound pussy, now. At least until enough of the Spanish realize what a disastrous mistake turning to Socialism was. Or, perhaps, they will find peace in dhimmitude.
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anyone who thinks that terror can be beaten with words and police action is seriously mistaken,I fear europe in general hasn't yet realised just what these islamoids are about and what thier goals are.Tough talking politicians will not beat them,physical action will.
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I don't know lyot, I figure if they are all dead there is no more problem, there are a few sharpies left in Spain that realize that. But I guess putting your butt up in the air and hoping the Islamists lube you up is a tactic as well. I wonder if they'll kiss you first.
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Lieberman has some decent ideas in this piece but until we overcome Europe's PC instinct even more Euro troops in Iraq won't help that much. Prodi had it almost exactly wrong. Among the main problem with the war on terrorism is that we are using too little force, we are too respectful of criminal rights, too cautious in risking collateral damage, too apologetic when collateral damage happens. The other problem is that we are too PC to confront the fact that Islam has an evil history and, unless it changes, an evil future.
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you all make it seem as if Spain is renouncing in the War on terror, while the only fucking thing that has happened is that the Spanish citizens have democratically chosen not to follow the UNILATERAL position of the US.. Yet , the Spanish public is willing to go after these terrorists in a multilateral approach, even re: Iraq.. I see people here bashing the Spanish because democracy has worked..that's foul.. Even if this is to be perceived as a strategic victory for OBL.
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"democratically chosen not to follow the UNILATERAL position of the US."
Well, if the UK, Italy, Poland, Australia, a lot of east europe nations and even Spain were following this position wouldn't that make it actually a multi-lateral position?
Lyot, no one's bashing democracy or saying the Spanish election was bogus. What we are saying is that they fucked up in the way they voted - and it was a victory for OBL.
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Just out of curiousity, is there any link being looked at between the Socialists and the terrorists who were involved in the bombings? It would seem like a huge coincidence, unlikely but possible that Zap (or someone in his command structure, more likely) decided to hedge bets and make certain that there was a stick driving the populace (common for Socialist government).
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Sory fot the lenghth of this comment, i found it on Tim Blairs site and it was left there by: "Franco Alemán (from Barcelona, Spain, New member of the Axis of Weasels)"
Wow, and I thought our lefties had problems with logic.
Let me try this
3-10: PP was comfortably ahead in the polls. the only doubt was how big they would win.
3-11: you know what happened.
3-11 to 3-14: a massive disinformation campaign to put the blame on the PP, with rival PSOE and their friendly media disseminating false rumours (suicide bomber, intel services were angry at the gov't because they said they thought 99% probability it was Islamists since the very beginning, etc) and then shouting 'coverup, coverup'. Street agitation, accusation "the govt lies if they don't arrest the bad guys in 24 hours" (really, they did say that), and contravening the electoral law forbidding political propaganda the day before the election. Opposition leaders asking for the resignation of the government, because 'it lied',... THE NIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION and saying the results wouldn't be legitimate if Aznar didn't appear in a special session in Parliament ON THE NIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION. 'Spontaneous'rallies in front of PP's offices across Spain shouting and insulting, pot-banging. 1 office burned down. Physical assaults all over. PSOE-friendly media: "what do you know, there are demos EXACTLY in that place at that time; encouraging them? moi?" PSOE officials saying 'we know things that the government isn't telling' without offering any evidence.
3-14: PSOE wins
Quite clear, isn't it? Yes, some minor mistakes in being a bit too blunt blaming ETA were made the first 3 hours by the interior minister, and were quickly corrected. In fact, critics knew about the Islamic connection only after the minister held a press conference about it. It was then whan the opposition, who had been saying 'yes, it's ETA but let's not use this atrocity to blame anyone politically, just the murderers', started precisely to use the atrocity and blame it directly on the government rather than on the murderers when they Islamic clue appeared, as they saw they could inflame the public opinion.
Guys, this country looked a bit like Venezuela that night.
For the record: I am not questioning the democratic result itself: people voted, and the ballot count was unimpeachable. But it there was manipulation and lies, well, they were done by the opposition.
BTW earlier today, all relevant intel docs have been declassified and show that, indeed, for the first hours they thought it was ETA until they later knew about the Islamic clue. This is exactly what the government had been telling all along.
Tim, I haven't seen there's detailed information available in english on the web about the declassified documents yet, but I'll post about it as soon as it is available, OK?
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Interesting timeline Evert. By looking at it one might think that Zap and the gang were 'in' on the bombing. They sure were able to marshall their propaganda machine fast - perhaps too fast - to take advantage of the deaths.
All I am saying is that you got to wonder how Zap and the PSOE were able to take advantage of the tradagy so quickly and with such agility without knowing beforehand what would happen and having all sorts of plans available.
The socialist activists did an impressive job knocking up conspiracy theories and baseless accusations in such a short time, but don't forget: that's their stock in trade. Socialists feel the need to deceive people in the same way that terrorists feel the need to kill people. It's what they do best.
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"Getting NATO into Iraq won't help -- the French and Germans wouldn't commit anyway, and Zapie wants the UN to be in charge of the whole schmeer."
1. no German troops, but might get German help in other forms (TGA?)
2. Might get some French troops, though not many
3. If NATO is there under a UN res, puts more pressure on Zap to stay.
4. Might get Turks
5. Makes life easier for Blair, Berlusconi, and Kras..er that Polish guy.
6. May make things easier for the new Iraqi govt, by putting a different formal face on the force.
Not sure why invoking Article V wrt to Madrid hurts - we can still act bilaterally with Spain.
IIUC the reason not to do Afghan as a NATO op was NOT that the Euros were timid, but fear that every bombing run would require a commitee meeting, as in Kosovo. I presume that there were other rules NATO had available in case of a USSR invasion of Germany pre-1989. I presume appropriate rules werent in place for Kosovo cause French and Italians didnt want them, and for Afghan cause there wasnt time to develop and agree on them. Not sure that has to always be a constraint on future NATO ops.
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Words twist and warp, losing old meanings and gaining new ones.
Multilateral, as used by lyot and others seems to now mean "defensive." A multilateral (defensive) approach to Islamism would would seem to entail monitoring the activities of Islamists in your own country and working closely with foreign intelligence agencies in an attempt to anticipate attacks, which would then presumably be prevented through police action. Other acceptable "multilateral" means are sanctions, shutting down terrorist finances, and wealth transfers to terror plagued nations to eliminate "root causes."
Unilateral action as defined by the second international socialists and transnational progressives seems to now mean "offensive" action. Unilateral (offensive action) takes the fight into terrorism's home bases. It places substantial pressure on entities financing terror by military and diplomatic pressure. Terror bases and logistic tails are forcibly dismantled. Terror organizations are forced to react to offensive operations rather than taking their time to plan their own.
The socialist and tranzi critiques of "unilateralism" are well known, so I won't waste a key stroke on them. I don' think that I've ever seen a serious critique of the "multilateral" approach though. Here is mine:
* Defensive action is by definition reactionary. By going over to the defensive, you lose the initiative. The attacker can plan his assaults in relative security. Meanwhile, the defender is wide open with multiple cells assessing and probing his defenses.
* Foreign intelligence services are unreliable. They may have agendas of their own (France) or they may be corrupt, incompetent, and penetrated by the enemy (Middle East).
* Diplomatic and economic pressure without military might to back it up is meaningless. So called "soft power" is a farce. The carrot and stick ultimately become bribery (as the US is doing in Egypt and the EU in the PA) or the soft power equivalent of war, sanctions. I've lived in a country under sanctions (Panama) and have studied the effects of them ever sense. The only people hurt by them are the poor and middle class. The bad guys just steal more to offset their losses. Inevitably, many goverments only pay lip service to the sanctions. Amazingly, when the investigation is complete after sanctions are lifted, the countries most responsible for breaking the sanctions are usually the very European and Far Eastern countries that most favor santions in the first place.
* "Multilateral" approaches always assume that governments like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are modern nation states. They are not. They are in fact feudal states. The "foreign minister" of such entities may not represent the will of the Army, ulema, security forces, or nobility. Even if the titular government negotiated an agreement, they might in fact only have made a deal on behalf of a very narrow segment of the entity's power structure.
* Attacking finances is not decisive. Financing and funding activities can be moved underground into the hawala banking system. Banks in terror source countries can be penetrated and subborned as can charities. Attacking finances is akin to attacking ball bearing production in WWII. You will cause the enemy to work harder, but you will never destroy him.
* Wealth transfers to terror sourcing nations. They will be siphoned off by kleptocrats, laundered and used to build nice houses in the south of France. Not only is it bribery but stupid bribery due to the feudal nature of these countries. How much influence does Arafat have over Hamas?
Conclusion: The "multilateral" approach funds your enemies, enables oppressive kleptocrats, fails to stop attacks, and hurts the very people (middle and poor classes) who would otherwise be you natural allies. The very word "multilateral" is an Orwellian distortion of plain English and parallels the use of terms like "Popular Front" during the 1930's.
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11A5S, interesting words you write, yet I don't believe the unilateral approach solely will provide the US with the security it needs. Military pressure is usefull, but that in itself will not suffice to shift the opinions, a necessary step to root out terrorism.
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lyot - then could you kindly spell out what else you think is required to fight terrorism that we're not doing already, instead of endlessly dancing around it?
#26
Unilateralism - ignoring those on Saddams payroll and doing what has to be done anyway.
Multilateralism - considering those that took Iraqi bribes and otherwise circumvented UN sanctions to have the moral high ground and pro-UN against those that tried to make Iraq follow existing UN resolutions.
Orwell was right. War is Peace, peace is war, after all.
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if you remember article V was invoked after 9-11 and all the eurotrash did was send some manned awacs.....not really a force to coduct the war that was needed and is still needed in parts of middle east.
3-12 - WE ARE NOT ALL EUROPEANS! if we were then the terrorists will have won!
wonder how much gold spain has gotten ready for that downpayment for peace with dishonour!
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#24 you speak as if our enemies will like us if we amend our ways...no the only thing that the whackos in the me understand is sheer force..i do not want these aholes to like us - just fear us. then we can get on with a policy of containment and semi-MADD doctrine.
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As I recall, one main reason we didn't involve European forces heavily in the Afghanistan operations is that their command and control systems and some other armaments are a generation behind ours. They simply could not be integrated into active operations without badly compromising our abilities.
Now, that's not so important in some operations, but in an active hunt it is a real problem. Add in the committee approach and it would have been unworkable. The Euros took offense at that, but it's pretty clear cut.
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lyot: It's not just "interesting words." It's thoughts, and analysis, and logic. It's trying to understand a problem, diving into it and maybe after studying it every day for years, mastering it. It's not sophism or spin. It's not the high school debate team; the guy with the most citations in his shoebox does not win the argument. You're better than most Bush opponents, but you still have that air of sophism around you. There are plenty of good arguments against the Iraq experiment (tribal culture cannot be democratized; cultures need to be left to find their own way to modernity, they cannot be led; corruption and cynicism are too deeply embedded for the rule of law; etc.), but you and the other left wingers posting here never use them. Instead you criticize US policy based on theories of strategy that no successful strategic thinker from Sun Tzu through Lenin has ever given the briefest consideration. You rely on Chomsky and other sophists for your data instead of going out on the Internet and finding your own. You make assertions about military operations based on old anti-Vietnam war propaganda that in turn is based on tactics that the military discarded when it adopted AirLand battle doctrine in the mid 1980's. Stop worrying about words and talking points. Start reading and listening and questioning.
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Another thing about NATO, the US wasn' t entirely interested for Four reasons (1) Any large NATO force in Afghanistan would require US logistics to maintain it. The US is better off dealing with its own logistics. (2) The more allies in theater the more chance of a blue-on-blue. As it is some Canadians paid the price in Afghanistan. (3) French NATO officers passed targeting information to the Serbs the last time we fought alongside them and there was no way the US was going to have targetting info going through NATO headquarters again. (4) There was a strong suspician that several NATO members wanted to join so that they could control US actions rather than assist.
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Europeans do know how to deal with terrorists - at least, the Germans do. The Baader/Meinhof gang bombed and killed dozens in Central Germany from the early 1970's through the mid-1980's. Germany crushed the organization, killed or captured its members, and ended the terrorism. That's the ONLY way that works. Now, a different group of leaders want to try something else, something that has NEVER worked, but it's "different". THE SOLE REASON THEY WANT TO TRY A DIFFERENT WAY IS BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT GERMANY HAD SUCH SUCCESS WITH. There will be hundreds, perhaps thousands of more people killed in Europe if EUrope doesn't get over this idiocy of having to be "different" than the United States, and go back to what works, regardless of what "others" are doing.
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Oh, well. If they have to die in droves to learn their error then so be it. Their choice-their consequences. There is no sympathy from this quarter anymore. They have picked which side they are on.
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They want us out by this weekend? That's not enough time to even move the furniture, shampoo the rug, and clean the oven. And don't even mention anything about painting the walls.
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"...celebrity wattage..." Now that's funny. Tim Robbins and Martin Sheen are about the lowest watt bulbs out there, but I guess if you equate people good at playing make-believe with intelligence, that's what you deserve.
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Lol! Love the twit with the sign...
My version:
Memes Scream
Moron's Dream
[I debated whether or not to make Moron's possessive. Works either way, heh...]
#5
Atypical lefty dimwits. Same ones who did us in in NAM. The troops really appreciate them I'm sure. Isn't some of this funded by Soros through his farcical moveon.org?
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Giant puppets here! Get yer Giant Puppets! Free Mumia T shirts here! We got yer Rainbow Flags here! Get ya Rainbow Flags!
Hiring in Pennsylvania is turning sharply up. Key electoral state. Good news for W. This news is front and center on Wâs blog (www.georgewbush.com/blog) Good news by itself, good news that Bushâs blog seems to be pretty good.
Kerry, trying desperately to look cool. Instead, he looks like a complete idiot.
The image-conscious candidate and his aides prevailed upon reporters and photographers to let him have a first run down the mountain solo, except for two agents and Marvin Nicholson, his omnipresent right-hand man. His next trip down, a reporter and a camera crew were allowed to follow along on skis â just in time to see Mr. Kerry taken out by one of the Secret Service men, who had inadvertently moved into his path, sending him into the snow. When asked about the mishap a moment later, he said sharply, "I donât fall down," then used an expletive to describe the agent who "knocked me over." Nice. A Secret Service agent, assigned to protect him, gets called an "asshole." Way to win friends and influence people, senator.
The incident occurred near the summit. No one was hurt, and Mr. Kerry came careering down the mountain moments later, a look of intensity on his face, his lanky frame bent low to the ground... Still, Mr. Kerry could not entirely escape the hazards of the arena he had left behind. He had just sat down for a bite to eat on the crowded patio near the lift line when a waiting skier, John Norris, shouted: "Hey, John! What foreign leaders talked to you?" Heh. Pretty good for an area full of super-rich liberalsâ ski homes.
#2
Note to JFK: The rich chicks really luv a guy in a cast. It makes you look sooo dangerous.
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Fred,
If you using a scripting language for posts and comments, can you filter out compuSlurp's various websites and then reject those posts?
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I'd like to see Boris in a body cast.
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I'm sure that secret servant agent wouldn't hesitate a second to take a bullet for someone who called him an 'asshole' (or whatever expletive was used).....
Note to Kerry: You dont abuse your protection like that.
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Anonymous, I am suspicious that you are Boris!!!
You give misleading A. and B. statements to debilitated, American masses! Why?
A. Kerry, trying desperately to look cool.
B. Pretty good for an area full of super-rich liberalsâ ski homes.
Honest man should write:
A. Kerry - Kohn, trying desperatelly to hde his Jewishness.
B. Pretty good for an area full of supper-rich homosexuals, judeo-bolsheviks and their shabas goy.
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Kerry is such an ass. Can't we just tape him to a wall somewhere and throw darts at him pin the tail on him? The dummycheats REALLY scraped the bottom of the barrel this time - on the OUTSIDE. He's going to put the democrats in such a hole hillary won't have a hog's chance of pulling them out - in '08 or any other year. Look on with pity, folks - you're seeing a major political party disintegrate before your eyes.
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What a prima donna! This is the kind of guy who would've gotten the shit kicked out of himself daily in high school. If they made it to the Army like this, they got a traditional blanket party. Self-righteous snobs - no society has any use for them. Obviously, no one ever took Lurch to the woodshed and gave him the buckle end.
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He's going to use the same argument when he loses in November. "I didn't fall down . . . (GWB) knocked me over! Unfair! Unfair! Wah, wah, wah. I want to go home!" (Get ready for the hanging chads blues!) Kerry will never accept personal responsibility for anything or be generous to anyone. It's not his style. He's an ultra-liberal, after all.
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Per Drudge: Dem presidential candidate John Kerry called his secret service agent a "son of a bitch" after the agent inadvertently moved into his path during a ski mishap in Idaho, sending Kerry falling into the snow.
When asked a moment later about the incident by a reporter on the ski run, Kerry said sharply, "I don't fall down," the "son of a b*itch knocked me over."
The Secret Service agent in question has complained about Kerry's treatment, top sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
Last month, Kerry began receiving Secret Service protection.
"Obviously, the complications and burden of being monitored 24-hours a day is not just an a simple inconvenience," a government source explained Friday. "But Senator Kerry should understand agents are working for his safety and well-being."
On Friday, Kerry, his snowboard strapped to his back, hiked past 9,000 feet on Durrance Peak, then snowboarded down the mountain, taking repeated tumbles. Reporters counted six falls, although Kerry was out of sight for part of the descent.
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When asked about the mishap a moment later, he said sharply, "I donât fall down,"
Well. That settles it. Now I'm positive I've identified Kerry's origins. Remember his comment about his vote? "I voted for it before I voted against it?"
Well, as you know Weebles wobble, but they don't fall down.
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It's just another example so common of those born into wealth and priveledge. If it happened to Paris Hilton, she would say the same thing, or insist that the secret service agent and her jump into bed, and video tape it.
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Is it nice the Kerry can snowboard, ski and windsurk (he might be able to kiteboard as well), especially at his age. Sure. But who gives a shit. I love these sports, but I think he is an asshole. Bet his Secret Service detail does too.
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1)Kerry was snowboarding(probably for first time) in order to look "cool" and try to appeal to young voters.(Remember this week poll released showing Bush the choice of youngsters).
2)Didn't take long for Kerry to p***off his assigned campaign reporters."Reporters counted six falls..." would never have been leaked by a press corps friendly to a candidate.Fun dynamic this campaign season:Bush assigned-reporters like him,can't stand his politics;Kerry's reporters want him to win,but can't stand him.
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DUpers will point out that Bush referred to the the notorious asshole Adam Clymer an "asshole" during an unguarded moment with Cheney.
Bush wasn't talking directly to the press, and Clymer is not in a subordinate position. The real sin to libs in that case was showing disrepect to a fellow elitist.
You can almost hear Kerry saying "You just can't find good help these days!"
As for Kerry himself: He's tall, he's rich, he skis, and he speaks fluent French. I can just see all the old Camelot groupies swooning and tossing their panties onto the stage at his next appearance; once they get their Depends off, that is.
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I knew a guy (not telling either) on Gore's detail. He said that Gore never met a buffet table he didn't like. He would stuff and stuff himself and then spend the plane rides poisining the plane with the most evil farts imaginable. From semlly ass to pompos one. Most be an evolution in the democratic candidates.
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who had inadvertently moved into his path, sending him into the snow
So Kerry collided with someone who was lower down the slope, which puts him 100% in the wrong as it was completely his responsibility to avoid the collision. The only other explanation is that the SS agent came from behind Kerry skiing a lot faster.
WASHINGTON -- A gun control group filed a lawsuit Thursday accusing the Justice Department of aiding gun manufacturers in skirting assault weapons laws.
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, along with the Million Mom March, said the Justice Departmentâs Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowed gun makers to replace the housing for the firing mechanism on legally owned semiautomatic assault weapons, which the groups say violates the 1994 Assault Weapon Act.
The law makes it illegal for a person to manufacture, transfer or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon. Weapons possessed before the law was enacted are exempt.
The Brady Campaign contends in its lawsuit that manufacturing a new housing -- or "receiver" -- is prohibited because that in effect creates a new gun, and that gun should be banned.
"By allowing gun makers to manufacture new receivers, ATF has been allowing the manufacture of new assault weapons, in contravention of the statute," the Brady Campaign said in a statement Thursday.
The suit names the Justice Department, ATF, Attorney General John Ashcroft, and Edgar Domenech, acting director of ATF.
Neither the Justice Department nor the ATF would comment on the litigation.
The Brady Campaign cited correspondence, gathered through the Freedom of Information Act, between the ATF and Bushmaster Firearms, a weapons manufacturer in Windham, Maine, in which the ATF outlines how to replace receivers in semiautomatic weapons.
Dennis Henigan, legal director for the Brady Campaign, said the ATF policy "ensures that many thousands of grandfathered assault weapons will remain functional for many years to come. It is a policy that allows assault weapon manufacturers to manufacture new assault weapons to replace the damaged grandfather assault weapons," he said at a press conference.
The Brady Campaign said the ATF policy of issuing new serial numbers for replacement receivers, as stated in the letter, demonstrates that the ATF is allowing semiautomatic weapon production.
The ban on assault weapons has a sunset provision and is scheduled to expire in 2004. The renewal of the ban was part of a gun package that did not make it through Congress earlier this month.
Iâd like to take the entire staff of Brady and MMM to Iraq, somewhere along the border between Iraq and Iran, and march them across at gunpoint. It would prove two points: one, theyâre all idiots, and two, what a true "assault weapon" does. Not that theyâd learn anything - they belong to the group whose motto is "donât confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up".
As far as Iâm concerned, the Second Amendment allows me to make and keep ANY weapons, including nukes, as long as I do it safely, and use them appropriately. The single purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent government from having the powere to impose its will upon the (armed) populace. The Brady Bunch should stick to singing, and leave government to rational, intelligent people.
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Read the Federalist Papers. James Madison, John Jay and Alexander Hamilton, put down on paper what the Constitution actually means. As far as firearms go.....the government is NEVER supposed to have the upper hand, over the people. PERIOD!! Any weapon the government has.....I should have one more powerful.
And we DAMN SURE DO NOT DISARM, FOR ANY REASON.....PERIOD!!
FROM MY COLD, DEAD HAND! Keep your powder dry, folks. It's just a matter of time..............
An armed American citizenry is what keeps the West free. If the American people EVER disarm.... America is finished, and the world will sink into a thousand years of darkness.
"God grants liberty only to those who love it, and who are always ready to guard and defend it." Daniel Webster
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I forget who put this gem out and I'm to lazy to check snopes but it was " No matter what the problem is, the government is a bigger one".
With Asshat's like the Brady Campaign grabbing the ear of every "progressive" Long Island whiner, I see
their point.
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"Every one who knows the Texans, or who has heard of them, would naturally conclude that they never would submit to be disarmed. Any government that would attempt to disarm its people is despotic; and any people that would submit to it deserves to be slaves!"
-- Historian H. Yoakum, 1855
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A few years back, the New Jersey legislature was doing its own "assault weapon" ban; CO2 air rifles fit their definition! And, yes, I think the Second Amendment is pretty open as to what an individual can keep around; but, since I don't think I could throw a nuke far enough to stay out of the blast area, I'd just as soon have my own M1A in the driveway.
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Only if it is mated to a missle with enough range to to hit Greece.
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This Brady bullshit is about as irritating as reformed smokers. The guy gets shot by some wacko and now he feels he should impose his beliefs on everybody else.
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"A gun control group filed a lawsuit Thursday accusing the Justice Department of aiding gun manufacturers in skirting assault weapons laws."
If only that were true :( This suit should be thrown out just for their premise being untrue -- unfortunately ...
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Whoa! First time diver from Yemen is attempting a 3/4 roll with a 1 second tim...
BOOM!
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OK, fine.
No weapons may be sold to liberals.
All liberals must have a sign (small and tasteful to meet association rules) stating that they are a gun-free house.
No liberal may hire private bodyguards.
No one who does not meet these restrictions is allowed to campaign or contribute to any politician or initiative restricting availability of weapons to law-abiding citizens.
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Bringing the madrasa into the mainstream would in some measure mean bringing the regular curriculum into the seminary. Is this curriculum any different from the twisted view of life taught to the boys who are then fed into jihad? There is some research that says that jihad in Pakistan was numerically fed from the mainstream educational institutions far more than from the seminaries
President Pervez Musharraf, in his âbreakfast meetingâ with foreign intellectuals on ARY channel on 1 March 2004, defended his governmentâs go-slow policy on the taming of the madrasas in Pakistan, saying Pakistan didnât have the money to do it. The world thinks that unless the religious seminary in Pakistan is purged of its dangerous jihadi ideology Pakistanâs role in the campaign against terrorism would not be complete. The United States and the European Union are both focusing on the madrasa reform in Pakistan and will probably put more pressure on President Musharraf for it in the coming days.
Mainstream no different from madrasa: But Pakistanâs allies in the war against terrorism have not focused on what Pakistan does in its regular mainstream schools. Bringing the madrasa into the mainstream would in some measure mean bringing the regular curriculum into the seminary. Is this curriculum any different from the twisted view of life taught to the boys who are then fed into jihad? There is some research that says that jihad in Pakistan was numerically fed from the mainstream educational institutions far more than from the seminaries. If seminary teaches jihad, should one presume that the normal school doesnât?
Islamabadâs Sustainable Development Policy Institute (SDPI) has examined the mechanism of school textbook-writing in Pakistan and presented its findings in 2003 in the hope that the government would look into some of the shocking revelations in them and take remedial measures. Not much reaction has come from the government to the report titled The Subtle Subversion: the State of Curricula and Textbooks in Pakistan.
Before General Ziaâs Islamisation, textbooks were not based on Muslim majoritarianism. They were sensitive to the fact that Pakistan was a multi-religious state and that non-Muslims were full citizens under the Constitution. Islamisation ended all that and the textbooks began a new nation-building process that excluded the non-Muslim. The philosophy of education followed was summed up in one Curriculum Wing directive given in 1995 in respect of class five: âIn the teaching material no concept of separation between the worldly and the religious be given; rather all the material be presented from the Islamic point of viewâ. The general directive for textbooks implies that Pakistan is for the Muslims alone; that Islamiyat is to be forcibly taught to all students, whatever their faith, including compulsory reading of the Quran; that ideology of Pakistan is to be internalised as faith, and hate be created against the Hindus of India; and students be urged to take the path of jihad and shahadat.
The crudeness of the message: Has the liberal world view of General Musharraf made any difference? Not really. A 2002 directive from the Curriculum Wing named National Early Childhood Education lists the objectives as follows: to nurture in children a sense of Islamic identity and pride in being a Pakistani and regard Pakistan as an Islamic country and acquire deep love for it. Throughout no thought is given to the possibility that a child in the school could be non-Muslim and might therefore feel that he is not a Pakistani simply because the textbook equates Pakistani with Muslim. Although Islamiyat is not compulsory for non-Muslims pupils, the fact that there are 25 percent extra marks for any non-Muslim studying it is a strong proselytising incentive. The injection of religion in such subjects as Urdu, social studies/Pakistan Studies and English was added later, removing all subtlety and persuasion from indoctrination. While the crudeness of the message failed to transform children into good Muslims, the hate content in the textbooks rendered them bad human beings. A good Muslim was no longer necessarily a good human being. The 2002 directive ironically gave the following message: âTo make the Quranic principles an integral part of curriculaâŠto train the future generation of Pakistan as true practising Muslims who would be able to usher in the 21st century and the next millennium with courage, wisdom and toleranceâ.
Closing of the Pakistani mind: The 2002 directive for Pakistan Studies goes on to define the following learning objectives: âDevelop understanding of Hindu-Muslim differences and need for Pakistan (Class 4); Hindu-Muslim differences in culture, Indiaâs evil designs against Pakistan; identify the events in relation to Hindu-Muslim differencesâ. How did the textbooks respond to these directions? The SDPI report tells us that in the class 5 textbook prepared by Punjab there is a sentence that says âHindu has always been an enemy of Islamâ; a class 4 textbook said âThe religion of the Hindus did not teach them good things, Hindus did not respect womenâ; a class 6 textbook said âthe Hindus lived in small and dark houses. Child marriage was common in those days. Women were assigned a low position in society, in case a man died his wife was burnt alive with him, the killing of shudras was not punished, but the killing of a brahmin was severely punished, caste system made peopleâs lives miserableâ. The âhate materialâ goes on: âHindus thought that there was no country other than India nor any other people other than Indians, nor did anyone possess any knowledgeâ; [a cooked-up story titled The Enemy Pilot] stated that âhe had only been taught to have no pity on Muslims, to always bother the neighbouring Muslims, to weaken them to the extent that they forget about freedom, and that it is better to finish off the enemy. He remembered that the Hindus tried to please the goddess Kali by slaughtering people of other religions, they regarded everybody else as untouchables. He knew that his country India had attacked Pakistan in the dead of the night to bleed Pakistani Muslims and to dominate the entire Subcontinentâ (Class Six, Punjab). âThe Hindus who had always been opportunists cooperated with the Britishâ (Class Six Punjab).
Hate presaging war: The most notorious social studies textbook that the Curriculum Wing was able to coax Punjab into producing was An Introduction to Pakistan Studies by M. Ikram Rabbani & Monawar Ali Syed (1995). It was noticed by scholars abroad for the crudeness of its hate formulations. One sentence that the SDPI report quotes from it goes like this: âThe Hindus always desired to crush the Muslims as a nation. Several attempts were made by the Hindus to erase the Muslim culture and civilisation. Hindi-Urdu controversy, Shuddhi and Sanghatan movements are the most glaring examples of the ignoble Hindu mentalityâ. A gem that would make anyone outside the Curriculum Wing laugh says: âWhile the Muslims provided all types of help to those wishing to leave Pakistan, the people of India committed cruelties against the Muslim refugees. They would attack the buses, trucks and trains carrying the Muslim refugees and they murdered and lootedâ.
If President Pervez Musharraf were to read the textbooks on which the federal education ministry continues to pride itself he would simply give up his campaign against extremism in Pakistan. The brainwash in favour of jihad and shahadat is so consistent and widespread in the various disciplines targeted for indoctrination by the Curricular Wing that for many years to come Pakistan would be endangered by its own youth. The textbooks that the countryâs four provinces would have next year will certainly contain the hate content we have reviewed only skimpily above. Perhaps he canât do anything to completely surgically remove hatred from our textbooks, but he surely can remove the crudity of the message. We can still hate the Hindu but we can do it subtly. Maybe then our youth will not slaughter the Hindus and rape their women as ruthlessly if there is another war and we, instead of losing, start winning. Since there is no prospect of a war with India our youth can vent their hatred on their own country, especially on people who seek to normalise relations with India.
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Out of Ismail Khanâs jail
According to Khabrain, 21 Pakistanis were rescued from the personal jail of Ismail Khan, the warlord of Herat whom the Taliban had kept imprisoned till he broke out of it. Each Pakistani had to pay Rs 5 lakh. Most of the Pakistanis were from Lahore. Warlords in Afghanistan have been buying and selling Pakistani jihadis to each other in the hope of finally getting a good price from their families in Pakistan.
Jinns kill young man
According to Nawa-e-Waqt, in Mamun Kanjan near Lahore jinns living in a locality killed a young man after he returned from playing football. He was found hanged in his room which was locked both from the inside as well as outside. One year ago the same house was burned by the jinns. Lately a dog was killed and the leg of a buffalo was also shattered. The people of Mamu Kanjan were greatly concerned and were hiring special exorcists for taming the wicked non-Muslim jinns.
Dr Israrâs recipe against sectarianism
Religious scholar Dr Israr Ahmad wrote in Nawa-e-Waqt that if Pakistan was to survive then the Shia-Sunni rift must be removed and the solution lay in what Iran had done. Iran had declared the fiqh of the dominant Muslim population as official and all Muslims who were non-Shia must submit to the legal order created by the Shia fiqh. He said Pakistan must remove two fiqhs from the statute book and declare Hanafi as the only law to which all Shias must submit. He proposed that Shias may be allowed to collect their own zakat.
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"Warlords in Afghanistan have been buying and selling Pakistani jihadis to each other in the hope of finally getting a good price from their families in Pakistan. "
LOL - Ismail Khan:"Im short five Pashtuns cannon fodder, but i think my position is too exposed - anyone long who wants to sell" Dostum: "I will, i need a more diversified portfolio anyway. I'll sell you the five jihadis, and put the proceeds in Microsoft stock, California Bonds, and Euros"
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