last night we ve have be present to the an horrible violation of israeelis militaire that looking after killing children people and destruct housse it will be the kind of state trorrism the occupation in time of the american are destruct irak country profite the situation and no one can protest in this moment we will protest against all form of trrorism of state all kind of occupation and inhumanitiais act made against palestinien people
Since the "protest" you favor involves explosions, and cutting people's heads off, and taking little children hostage and killing them, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the destructin of "housse."
Islamic savagery has burned any sympathy I used to feel for the "innocents" killed or injured in retaliatory strikes. The "state terrorism" argument's likewise pretty used up: the Israelis don't cut people's heads off, the Americans in Iraq don't cut people's heads off. Neither the Israelis nor the Americans take hostages and hold them for ransom.
Since the "horrible violation of israeelis militaire" was brought on by Paleostinian savages rocketing civilians, you'll have to go elsewhere to express your indignation at the confluence of cause and effect.
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I decided to keep him since he had something to say and I had something to say back to him.
Since he's an "el" and not an "al," I assume he's North African, and since the text is all Frenchified, I'm assuming he's an Algerian wannabe head chopper enjoying the hospitality of La Belle France.
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Needs to stick with the English lessons so when he's deported he'll be granted a warm welcome in the UK.
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Seems I misplaced my violin, so no sympathy for you or palestinians today.
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Sorry my sympathy meter was done raped and murdered in that russian school and western Sudan and with the terrorists in Iraq targetting children.
Not to mention the silence (support) they get from the 'mainstream' muslims.
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Damn,I almost understood that.Mucky pass the bong lets see if I can understand it a little better.By the way were is Mucky,haven't heard from him in awhile.
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Sorry my sympathy meter was done raped and murdered in that russian school and western Sudan and with the terrorists in Iraq targetting children.
Not to mention the silence (support) they get from the 'mainstream' muslims.
Bingo, CrazyFool. You hit all the high notes of what I was going to say.
Message for el faraj: Some of this world's civilized socities have reached their limit for tolerating the psychotic murderers called terrorists. The net result will be a gradual escalation of military force as required to destroy any and all countries that support, finance or harbor terrorists. Should it prove impossible to rout out this pestilence with conventional military tactics, nuclear weapons will be used in their stead.
Get a clue and get one quick. The Middle East and North African Arab countries' continued existence depends upon their rejection and defeat of all terrorist activity. Failure to do so will result in these vile governments being deposed or merely having themselves and their entire populations wiped from the face of the earth.
The Beslan atrocity served notice to all civilized cultures what awaits any further neglect of fighting terrorism. The entire Islamic religion is faced with extinction should it prove unwilling or incapable of terminating the activities of their radical factions. No one but Islam is responsible for doing so. No other country, religion or military bears the least obligation to help Islam eradicate this plague. Muslims will stop terrorism themselves or face DEATH. No options.
The State of Kuwait recognizes Yasser Arafat as the legitimate leader of the Palestinian people but does not deal with him, Foreign Minister Sheikh Dr Mohammad Sabah Al-Salem Al-Sabah affirmed in remarks published on Thursday. Sheikh Mohammad, in remarks to the Kuwaiti daily Al-Rai Al-A'm in New York upon his departure after chairing the Kuwaiti delegation at meetings of the United Nations General Assembly, said, "Kuwait does not want to deal with the chairman of the Palestinian National Authority Yasser Arafat. But Kuwait recognizes him as the chairman of the Palestinian authority and as the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization and also recognizes the organization as the sole representative of the Palestinian people. We recognize all this but we do not deal with Yasser Arafat."
"We support (relevant) Security Council resolutions as they do not mention Yasser Arafat and refer to the right of the Palestinian people and we support this right," Sheikh Mohammad added in the exclusive remarks to the Arabic-language Kuwaiti newspaper. Sheikh Mohammad, added, in reference to Arafat, "I believe that he had made a great blunder against Kuwait and he has not corrected this grave mistake but I do not withdraw my recognition of him as the legitimate representative of the Palestinians because I do not possess this right. "It's the Palestinian people who have this right and I do not intervene in their affairs." The foreign minister was alluding to Arafat's siding with the ousted Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein when the regime's troops invaded the State of Kuwait on Aug 2, 1990, and occupied the country for seven months.
Sheikh Mohammad denied speculations that Kuwait suspended contributions to the Palestinian Uprising Fund. "We have voted in favor of supporting the fund at (an Arab) summit and now we are awaiting mechanism of disbursing the support allocations. "We want to make sure that these support allocations would reach those who deserve the backing among the Palestinians." Elaborating further on the dire consequences of the 1990 Iraqi aggression, the minister said, "I understand the anger of the Kuwaitis regarding some Arab states that stood with Saddam Hussein thus I have always called on these states to correct this error and that's what I have urged Arafat to do."
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By Elizabeth Day - Telegraph Group Limited
(Filed: 03/10/2004)
A self-styled "suicide bomber" musician who sings in Arabic and performs in a full-length burqa is planning a "terror concert" in Britain.
The Russian teenage singer, known only as n.A.T.o, performs with her face covered by a veil in front of screens broadcasting images from al-Jazeera, the Arab television station, interspersed with flashing words such as "al-Qaeda", "Iraq" and "Nasdaq".
Her manager, Ivan Shapovalov, who last year launched the controversial lesbian pop duo t.A.T.u, plans to give a concert in Britain in November after successfully organising a similar event in Moscow on September 11.
The Moscow "terror concert", timed to coincide with the anniversary of the World Trade Center attacks, included invitations designed like aeroplane tickets. The event was condemned as "sick" by Muscovites who were angered by the apparently frivolous depiction of a suicide bomber days after the Beslan school atrocity in which hundreds of Russian children and adults died.
The Muslim Council of Britain called Mr Shapovalov's plans "highly tasteless" and urged people to ignore the concert.
"This is seeking to make money on the back of the tragedies of other people," said Inayat Bunglawala, a spokesman for the council. "We'd rather ignore her. It is clearly designed to be provocative and controversial." Mr Shapovalov claimed that, despite the protests, he was currently negotiating with two leading British record companies to release n.A.T.o's first album.
"There has been a lot of interest from UK record companies because it's a revolutionary project," he said. "I am neither for nor against terrorism. I am against death. I simply create music.
"If people are scared by a woman wearing a black headscarf, that means they are sick themselves. I'm not leading a campaign. I like her songs and I like it when others listen to things I like. Nowadays, we are facing difficult times. Some organise protests; some give blood; some pray. I simply offer people a new kind of music.
"Every conflict springs from fear. We need to conquer this fear. Why fear a woman in black? Music is acceptance. This is an alternative to loneliness."
A member of Mr Shapovalov's creative team added that Britain was seen as an ideal place for a concert tour "because nothing is getting blown up in England".
Although Mr Shapovalov refused to disclose any further details about the type of songs n.A.T.o would perform, he insisted that the album had been recorded over the summer months before the Beslan school killings.
n.A.T.o, whose real name is not known, is believed to be from the Chelyabinsk region of Russia, near the Southern Urals. She sings in the Tadjik, Georgian and Pharsi languages.
Mr Shapovalov is rumoured to have struck up a friendship with her over the internet.
Mr Shapovalov's previous pop act, t.A.T.u, consisted of two teenage girls who courted controversy with performances featuring kissing and schoolgirl outfits. The act was denounced as "paedophilic pop" by children's advocates who tried to have their video banned from the BBC's Top of the Pops. The duo reached No 1 in January 2003 with the single All the Things She Said.
Mark Borkowski, a public relations adviser and the author of Improperganda - The Art of the Publicity Stunt, called Mr Shapovalov "a ruthless promoter".
He said: "This demonstrates how much you now have to push the envelope back in order to generate audience attention. But although it's easy to generate this kind of ballyhoo and throw taste out of the window, the act has to be able to deliver.
"This sounds like he has generated a short, sharp shock and lots of publicity rather than anything lasting. Having said that, it will doubtless get to No 1."
A spokesman for Nato, the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, said that the pop, suicide bomber concept sounded like "a big joke".
"We have a solid sense of humour at Nato, but this does not sound like a very nice thing," he said. "She cannot use the Nato logo but the name Nato has no copyright. In fact anyone who wishes to call themselves or their child Nato is free to do so."
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Now I've seen it all........ beam me up Scotty! :/
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I posted the article here about the Moscow concert. I still maintain that Mr Shapovalov is one sick puppy.
I simply offer people a new kind of music.
Horseshit! This turd is merely packaging sensationalism, just as with other no-talent "artists" like Madonna and Janet Jackson. I'd toss in Michael Bolton, but there is absolutely nothing sensational about that world-class whiner.
I detest any censorship of art. Mr Shapovalov is free to stage his show. It is incumbent upon thinking people everywhere to condemn this sort of gratuitous controversy. The glorification of bomb vest murderers has no place in civilized society. Anyone who can manage to connect a burqa with anything but the profound abuse of women needs extensive parking lot therapy. Combining the two goes beyond decency.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but a burqa-wearing homicide bomber would wear the explosives beneath her shroud. To place them externally serves only to make a senseless and grotesque point, if any at all. Mr Shapovalov is a parasite upon the real artistic community. He leaches out money that would better serve true talent with his contrived and artificial acts.
This pair and their producer have all the artistic merit of Marky Mark. As a singer songwriter who has publicly performed hundreds of times, these sort of intentionally engineered all-hype morons make me PUKE.
LONDON - The police, seeking to minimize public panic, would withhold the true death toll if there is a catastrophic attack on Britain by the Islamic militant group Al Qaeda, the Sunday Times newspaper claimed. Citing leaked secret Scotland Yard plans, the paper said officers should not disclose the "numbers or seriousness/nature of injuries" immediately after a "dirty bomb" attack, even if there are thousands of casualties.
One of the confidential memos, titled Communications Strategy for Dealing with a Terrorist Attack, suggests that poor handling of an attack will have "political implications" that could damage the police and government, it said. The instruction to withhold information contrasts with assurances by Prime Minister Tony Blair and Home Secretary David Blunkett that the public will be told the truth about terrorism, it added.
Circulated widely as police and home office experts prepare plans to deal with an Al Qaeda "spectacular" in the run-up to the general election, perhaps in May next year, the document reflects concern that a large-scale attack could turn voters against the Blair government, it said. The memo, and another "restricted" paper titled "Major Incident Contingency Plans," said that an Al Qaeda attack here is likely to be at least as serious as the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States when some 3,000 died.
The memos say that a massive chemical or biological attack could endanger people for "weeks/months," it said. The documents warn that Al Qaeda terrorists may use aircraft, trucks and cars to carry out simultaneous strikes at several places, which would cause large numbers of casualties.
Senior officials are especially concerned about the possibility of people learning that police had failed to act on prior intelligence about an attack.
The memos also warn Britains 1.2 million Muslims not to retaliate in the face of the anticipated violent "backlash" from racist groups, according to the daily. They say that tensions between white people and Muslims will "increase sharply" and could get even worse if Britain or the United States takes punitive action abroad, the newspaper said.
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" The memos also warn Britains 1.2 million Muslims not to retaliate in the face of the anticipated violent âbacklashâ from racist groups, according to the daily."
If the UK is attacked who exactly do the police think will be behind it, circus clowns? Oh we can have the public acting in rightous anger. Who is going to act? The unarmed police? We see the police plan is to cover it up.
"They say that tensions between white people and Muslims will âincrease sharplyâ and could get even worse if Britain or the United States takes punitive action abroad, the newspaper said."
Do tell. Rocket science that.
This is deception. The public has a right to know.
The police have no right to withhold the truth. The idea they can shows how corupt the police must actually be.
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The idea they can shows how corrupt the police must actually be.
It's far more ominous than corrupt police, this is an indication that the UK government believes there's a real possibility of something that looks an awful lot like a Muslim / Infidel civil war on their turf and an admission that there's not really a damn thing they can do about it.
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This alleged policy is by and large a strawman. Judging from the quoted source, it seems to refer to a simple caution about giving out casualty figures in the chaotic atmosphere immediately after a major attack. This is probably wise in light of the confusion that can result from incomplete or contradictory figures. Historically, this has often happened in mass casualty attacks. Remember that on 9-11-01, early speculation, some of it from official sources, indicated that the death toll might be as high as 40,000. It took weeks of checking and correlation to reduce it below 5000 and months to arrive at the final figure of around 3000.
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AzCat yea isn't that corruption? Dishonesty is corruption.
But it's also a total lack of balls. They should say regardless of what we do these people hate us and are going to do something very bad. We can't stop it. Be ready for it when it comes.
They could say. It's not about our politics it's about us not being muslims. If you the public want to stop it you will have to take political action. We are just the police. Society needs to decide what to do. We just enforce the law you let us enforce.
God know the cops are trying to stop what they can but they are opposed by wacked out moonbats and "human rights activists" at every turn. No being totally honest and as transperent as possible hurts everyone.
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AC, disagree. My recollection is that it was in the 5,000 neighborhood pretty quickly, days. Leave this information secret and it will take a lot longer for the truth to come out and even then the tin foil crowd will have built up a wall of wackiness. The people can handle the truth.
What this is is dhimmitude.
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The memos also warn Britains 1.2 million Muslims not to retaliate in the face of the anticipated violent âbacklashâ from racist groups, according to the daily.
They'll be too busy packing to retaliate.
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Personally, I'd prefer a simpler approach: throw anyone who tries to exploit the deaths of British civilians for domestic political advantage in the slammer, and bar them from standing in the elections. To be blunt, anyone who'd blame Blair for a terrorist attack on UK soil, and instead advocate an appeasing stance as regards the WoT, is engaged in treasonous behaviour. Bye bye Lib Dems, RESPECT etc.
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The MSM will go into overdrive when this happens, digging up all manner of 'moderates' from the Muslim community as well as traitors from RESPECT etc. Note I said when, not if.
Frankly, I don't think the government or anyone in Britain knows what the reaction of the 'white people' (how racist is that!) will be after this attack. I do think it will take more than one attack for that reaction to crystallise. What it might be then, is anyones guess.
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Neville Chamberlain must have been reincarnated in GB.
The Brits have no Constitutional right to bear arms. Law abiding citizens were disarmed a few years ago although thugs and criminals have firearms.
In the U.S. there has been talk from the left (translated Democrats) about complying with the UN which would be a backdoor attempt to do in the U.S. what has been done in Australia and Great Britain.
Similar situation in Canada. However, there is a somewhat thriving trade going on there. BC Bud (potent pot) is being smuggled to the U.S. and traded for firearms to take back to Canada in the Washington-Vancouver area.
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John is the BC Bud / Firearms trade covered under NAFTA? heh heh....
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Its a prototypical nanny state
Sad to day, our 2nd best ally is hanging on to liberty as we know it by a thread.
A member of the group responsible for the Beslan school massacre last month is a British citizen who attended the infamous Finsbury Park mosque in north London, The Observer can reveal.
I'm suprised, but I'm not surprised, if you know what I mean...
Two other members of the group, loyal to Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev, are also believed to have been active in the UK until less than three years ago. They are suspected of taking part in the raid on the school in which 300 people, half of them children, died. Russian security sources described Kamel Rabat Bouralha, 46 years old and the oldest of the three, as a 'key aide' of Basayev, who has a £5.5 million price on his head. Basayev has boasted of training the men who took control of the school and wired it with explosives. Investigators believe that the three men, all Algerian-born, travelled to Chechnya from London to take part in fighting there in 2001. Russian investigators are thought to have now identified most of the 33 men who occupied the school in Beslan last month. They include two Algerians in their mid-30s called Osman Larussi and Yacine Benalia. Both are thought to have been based in London until recently. Like Bouralha, they too are believed to have attended Finsbury Park mosque and to have joined the network of groups loyal to Basayev on arrival in Chechnya. General Ilya Shabalkin said that Bouralha had been detained while attempting to leave Russia for medical treatment in Azerbaijan. 'He says he is innocent, but there is strong evidence of his involvement in a grave crime,' Shabalkin said.
Senior sources at Scotland Yard are investigating the Russian information. Former associates in London confirmed that Bouralha had been a frequent visitor at Finsbury Park mosque from around 2000. According to Russian security sources, there are up to 300 Arab mercenaries operating with rebel formations in Chechnya. The Observer has obtained detailed reports into al-Zarqawi's group compiled largely from 'communications intercepts' by a Western intelligence service. A series of telephones seized from militants has allowed investigators to build up a picture of a European network that stretches from Poland to the UK. There are several references to obtaining false documents from London.
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They're just emulating the life of the psycho killer prophet as their Koran commands
them to do. The Koran and Hadith are all about Muhammad's
"examples". Episodes from Mo's life. The faithful Muslim is exhorted
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I am really suprised this place hasn't been fire bombed. It must be the 24 X 7 police protection the UK government must feel obliged to keep on it. We all value tolerance and restraint. In this case I think they are over valued.
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humbug, sat here with my marigolds on doin a bit of spring cleaning(ok its october but hey), and had a thought.....
A lil naughty thought , precision strike on the FP mosque.. ahh well I can dream :/
hell if our government wont do it ,tell the Russians , after all , they said they would strike at terrorism anywhere in world . Give em some target practice :)
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MacNails - your contacts in Notts get hold of a shoulder launch SAM?
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The Russians said they would strike at terrorism anywhere in the world. What they mean is they'll strike anywhere they haven't helped to create terrorism. That rules out quite big chunks of the world, from eastern Europe to the Middle East to Africa.
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Howard I don't think you would want a surface to air missle (SAM) for this but a RPG or 2. Hell if you were polite you might even get the Finsbury Park Mosque to loan you a couple. Or a couple of the blokes hanging out there might have a few they would sell even.
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Beslan Killer Krew member went to Finsbury Park Mosque
Of course he did.
That place must be terrorist central.
Any chance of an "accident" at a propitious moment?
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The thought I've kept in my head, that stops it from exploding every time I think about that place, is that it's being kept open as a honey trap so we can watch what they're doing and prevent them doing serious damage.
So how did three of those pieces of shit get to kill 300+ kids, their teachers and their families in Russia?
I'm just wondering what Putins hammer is going to look like, wetwork in Finsbury park?
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It may take international pressure to get Blair 'n' Co. to do to Finsbury Park (and the next mosque to feel the jihadi heat) what they should've done years ago: eradicate the vermin, box'em up and throw what doesn't have a UK passport to whatever grisly fate awaits it in the country it crawled here from. I'd like to hear Putin publicly turn the screws on Blair over this.
Whatever intelligence we've obtained from Finsbury, it's obviously not enough to warrant its continued existence as the UK's Jihad HQ.
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'MacNails - your contacts in Notts get hold of a shoulder launch SAM?'
Well my missus is named Sam , dont think she'd appreciate being shoulder launched into FP mosque though :)
Like Bulldog said , a lil pressure from Putin would be nice to see
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The thought I've kept in my head, that stops it from exploding every time I think about that place, is that it's being kept open as a honey trap so we can watch what they're doing and prevent them doing serious damage.
While I understand and applaud the idea behind what you're saying, Tony, it is high time to begin razing any and all mosques that propagate terrorism, just as Bulldog mentions. The civilized world needs to begin demonstrating in an unmistakable fashion that terrorism carries a direct price tag.
In light of this new Beslan connection, I'm hoping that Finsbury Park mosque is obliterated during a period of peak occupancy. This hive of terrorist filth needs to be sterilized.
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Aye, we should open up our air space to Russian fighters. There's not much in Finsbury Park we'd miss apart from the odd sorry-arse pub and ropey kebab shop.
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TOKYO — Amid heightened concerns of a North Korean missile test, a U.S. destroyer has started patrolling the Sea of Japan in what officials say is a first step toward creating a shield to protect the United States and its allies from a foreign missile attack. Navy officials confirmed that the Curtis Wilbur, one of three ships in the U.S. 7th Fleet tasked with the patrols, left its base just south of Tokyo earlier this week. headsup to NK - we may try a test of our own
They refused to comment on details of the destroyer's mission for security reasons. But Navy Secretary Gordon England said in March that the patrols would begin Oct. 1, and fleet officials confirmed that there has been no change in the schedule. The other two destroyers assigned to the mission remain in port at Yokosuka Naval Base, the fleet's home.
The patrols are an initial step toward fulfilling a promise President Bush made two years ago to erect a ballistic missile shield that would protect the United States, its allies and its troops abroad from attack. something Kerry would disband
Bush cleared the way for the system by withdrawing from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which banned ship-based missile defenses. He's called the plan one of his administration's top priorities.
Critics, however, say such a shield would be too complex to be effective. It's estimated to cost $51 billion over the next five years. How much would reconstruction of L.A. cost?
Starting the program in the Pacific underscores Washington's increasing concern over North Korea's suspected development of nuclear weapons and long-range missiles capable of reaching Alaska or perhaps even western mainland states.
All of Japan is already within reach of the North's missiles, as are the more than 50,000 U.S. troops deployed here, including the 20,000-strong 7th Fleet, the Navy's largest and the only one with a home port outside of the United States.
North Korea's state-run media was quick to denounce the deployment. Sea of fire, yadda yadda...
"The U.S. should clearly understand that a preemptive attack is not its monopoly," North Korea's Rodong Sinmun said in a commentary Friday, adding that the deployment of the destroyer "proves that the U.S. attempt to invade the DPRK has reached a serious phase of implementation."
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"The U.S. should clearly understand that a preemptive attack is not its monopoly,â North Koreaâs Rodong Sinmun said..." One thing for sure, they'd better shoot their entire wad in the first volley should they try that preemption! Because I suspect we could all ice skate across the peninsula after that!
Very long but excellent perspective piece from the Sunday Chicago Tribune. Registration required. Explains nicely how Kim Dae Jung worked to subvert both democracy and Korean-American relations during his term as President of South Korea.
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And we ignored them from 92-2000 pretty well, selling them down the road with Jimmy Carter's stupid give-away to the NORKs.
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They can have a seat right next to the French. I'm not going to worry after 9/11 about how others think about us. It's time that the others start to worry about how we think about them. Just speed up the redeployment.
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Then I think the best you can hope for is an unwatchable match ending in a goalless draw. But unfortunately last time I looked France had already scored.
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Good, if true. MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) will force the NORKS into detente, or accelerate the conventional side of the looming war. Either way, we can continue to eat our popcorn and clean up the mess when it's over!
LONDON (Reuters) - Hundreds of human rights campaigners have held a vigil outside a prison to protest against Britain's detention without trial of 11 foreign terror suspects. Sunday's vigil outside London's Belmarsh high security jail, where some of the suspects are detained, drew attention to controversial powers allowing Britain to indefinitely detain foreign nationals suspected of links with international terrorism. The protest took place ahead of further legal attempts to challenge the special post-September 11 anti-terrorism laws under which the suspects are being held. Critics have described the laws as discriminatory and Britain had to opt out of parts of the European Convention on Human Rights to imprison suspects without trial. "[D]iscriminatory?" What is discriminating about interfering with plans being made by aspiring mass murdering psychotics to kill Brits wholesale? Fricking wingnuts!
The nationalities of the 11 are unclear. So, once again, how are these morons "critics" allowed to suddenly assume that claims of discrimination are called for?
"There can never be any justification for indefinite detention without trial," said a spokesman for rights group Liberty, whose director Shami Chakrabarti attended the vigil. I don't recall any proclaimed intentions of holding these thugs indefinitely.
"If there is a case against these men, it should be brought to court in the traditional British manner for a jury to decide and the men should be allowed to be legally represented to put their case."Jean Lambert, a member of the European Parliament for the Green Party, said the detainees had no idea what their future would be. Guess again, nutjob. Some terrorist prosecutions involve extremely sensitive state secrets. The very nature of fighting those who would destroy a nation's government involve methods and tactics that should not be made public.
"You either charge these people or you release them, but what you don't do is carry on holding them in limbo without any clear legal status whatsoever," she told Reuters, adding a "good couple of hundred" protesters had gathered outside Belmarsh. Engaging in terrorist activity is pretty much an automatic forfeit of due process.
Under the special powers, the government does not have to prove the detainees committed a crime, only that authorities have "reasonable grounds" to suspect they might pose a threat.
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I read this on the BBC early this am. All I can say is these folks are wack jobs with to much time on their hands. Seriously how do they have the time to worry about this? Oh yes because the live fat, protected, happy lives which contridict the very premise of what they are protesting. If these were unreasonable detentions they themselves would have been haulled off. Stupid terror supporting twits and neo-communists(greens).
A French MP has accused the US of scuttling his unofficial attempt to secure the release of two French journalists held in Iraq. Didier Julia, an MP for French President Jacques Chirac's ruling party, said his efforts to release reporters Georges Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot failed after US troops opened fire on the convoy attempting to bring them out of Iraq en route to Syria. Six of the French journalists' Iraqi escorts were killed in the US bombing barrage. Julia's assistant, Philippe Brett, had persuaded the kidnappers to release the Frenchmen and they all left in two separate convoys from their place of detention, both of which had come under US fire, the MP said. "They set up 20 roadblocks and six members of the team protecting the journalists were killed," said Julia, whose mission enjoys no backing from the French foreign ministry. The ministry said it had no comment on the release effort or Julia's report of the US attack.
The MP said Brett learned of the mission's failure as soon as he arrived separately at the Syrian border and headed straight back to the journalists' captors. "The three Frenchmen are still in Iraq in the hands of the resistance," he said. "The Americans increased their bombardment and deployed two divisions to fire upon all terrorists who pass."
Julia, 70, is vice-president of the Iraqi-French Friendship Group. The two journalists have been held hostage by the Islamic Army of Iraq since August 20. The US military on Friday rejected Julia's accusations that US troops had fired on a mercy mission to extricate the two kidnapped French newsmen, killing six escorts. "I'd say that none of that is true. I have not seen any reports that would indicate any of these stories showing up are accurate or true," said senior spokesman Rear Admiral Greg Slavonic.
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Let's see here - we're going to start seeing a spate of reports about how US attacks on Iraqi guerrillas are foiling attempts to ransom hostages. What is it about the French government? First, they fake up the WMD materials and now this?
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I'm sure the convoy was appropriately marked with Red Cross emblems, not. Sounds like good intelligence to me. Could just as easily been a convoy for a high level commander. I'm sure they'll be transporting the hostages at least 10-15 times.
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Tough titty France! Now you can take this opportunity to remove the last 20 french in the country...and send them to the Congo, where they'll be appreciated!
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Hostages must be assumed to already be dead. Killing the "kidnappers" terrorists is of far greater importance, as this action precludes them from taking further hostages. There is also the value-added aspect of providing a disincentive for others to imitate such activities.
The French have proven themselves beyond redemption with their constant betrayal of anti-terrorist efforts. They can suck hind tit and like it.
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From the Debka link: Sadr himself is reported by our Iraqi sources to be living under the protection of Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani at his residence for fear of assassins.
If this is the case, isn't it time for some legbreakers to pay Sistani a not-so-friendly visit? Sadr's apprehension should remain a top priority until he is brought to trial. If Sistani is sheltering this thug, he needs to have his credibility tainted by such duplicity. His alleged harboring of Sadr calls into question Sistani's sincerity with respect to establishing a functional Iraqi government.
Rivrdog, when they say "escorts," think "escort service," as in rebranded whores.
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If we can hit two lousy forgs being hidden by the Arabs, how come we keep missing the French Assembly?
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hmmm...while I buy the idea of Chiracs treachery, the Debka article is full of holes....
1. Chirac would want to disavow Jule's efforts - not just because he was unsuccesful but because the French paid money to the terrorists.
and this: After the American bombardment, US troops surrounded the damaged vehicles. The passengers, including the two journalists fled and have not been heard of since.
Yeah, riiight! Surrounded by US troops - the ournalists fled - never to be seen again *snicker* It could happen.
The only way I could believe this would be if the American war commanders have a great sense of humor and intend to make Chirac deal with the US to get these guys back. OOOh...ouch. That would hurt.
Just for kicks, I'd be willing to believe that Syria screwed Chirac tipping off the Americans, who bombed the convoy but captured the journalists - just to toy with Chirac. But it seems highly unlikely.
The truth may be in here somewhere - but Debka is clearly missing a few details.
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"unofficial attempt"
"en route to Syria"
"Six of the French journalists' Iraqi escorts
protecting the journalists"
"headed straight back to the journalists' captors."
"to fire upon all terrorists who pass."
Translation:
"unofficial attempt"
My government cannot acknowledge what I'm doing but once I 'free' the 'captives', I'm running for President.
"en route to Syria"
Hezbolhah is funding my campaign.
"Six of the French journalists' Iraqi escorts
protecting the journalists"
Six of the thugs paid off by Hezbollah funds have been smoked.
"headed straight back to the journalists' captors."
So I went back to the 'captors' to explain what happened and try to explain why I can't give them the money yet.
France has criticised unofficial negotiators for frustrating the country's efforts to gain the release of two French hostages held in Iraq. French parliamentarian Didier Julia has been leading unofficial attempts to free the two journalists, kidnapped in August with their Syrian driver. Foreign Minister Michel Barnier says he had indirect contact with the hostage-takers before Mr Julia's efforts. But, he says, these broke off when the private mediation began. Mr Barnier said he hoped these unofficial efforts "will not have a negative effect on the negotiations or delay the deliberations. All the progress we have made was interrupted on 28 September by the parallel steps taken by Mr Julia's group."
Mr Julia is believed to be working closely with Philippe Brett, a little-known figure with a history of political intrigues dealings in France and Iraq. Speaking in the Syrian capital Damascus, Mr Julia dismissed the foreign ministry's fears. He told Reuters news agency that it seemed Mr Barnier was using him to mask the government's own lack of success in freeing the two men. "I don't see how our mission has placed the lives of the hostages in danger," he said. "I believe Barnier, faced by the inability to do anything in the past 45 days, is looking for a scapegoat."
France, which opposed the US-led war in Iraq, has so far been unable to secure the release of 41-year-old Georges Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot, 37. The government has despatched its own official envoy to Jordan to negotiate for their release. On Friday Mr Julia said that a convoy bringing the captives to Syria came under US fire, scuppering their release. However, the American military say they have had no reports of such an incident.
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"Tonight on Nightline: as the French hostages enter their 400th day of captivity, exit polls suggest that 'Jimmy' Chirac is rapidly fading before the challenge of his opponent. He blames this decline on 'le Malaise' among the French people."
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The kidnappers are getting good publicity on the kidnapping and negotiations for the release of the French hostages. The kidnappers will ride this horse until it dies. The French are suckers.
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Murat, enjoying the shiv the EU keeps twisting in your back?
Maybe its time to apologize for not allowing US trops access during the initial invation of Iraq - admit it was politically motivated and that you screwed your best ally?
Nah - that stupid Turkish pride will get in the way. Turks are such idiots they can be brought to fighting with words about their moustaches - the men's and the women's moustaches.
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I've read elsewhere that Kerry's continual deceptions are indicative of a psychopathic personality (which isn't all that uncommon). Any shrinks out there with an opinion? (No, Antiwar, I'm not asking you.)
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His own people admit that he's self-absorbed to the point of narcissism (Massachusetts Dems love to recount stories of Kerry jumping queues and otherwise publicly dissing strangers with the repeated tagline, "Do you know who I am??"). Friends of the man say he still wakes up screaming from flashback-style war nightmares. he himself admits that as a bachelor in DC after he divorced his first sugar momma he was "a wreck," sleeping on couches.
So you have a serial exaggerator, if not a liar, with narcissistic tendencies an opportunistic streak and deep emotional conflicts from his wartime service. He's clearly intelligent, more so than Bush, but he believes in a lot of truly stupid ideas (EU "help is on the way", unilateral disarmament of our bunker-busters etc).
Net-net, he's a Hamlet type-- hardly what you want in a wartime leader. I'll take Prince Hal W Bush anyday.
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This video is way too grainy. I just can't make it out. We need a far higher-res picture than this one. I wouldn't put it past him, but the grainy video just doesn't make the case. Give me an 11MP press photo we can enlarge, and then we can figure out if he did it. Tiny Media Player videos don't show anything. Even a few hi-res stills would be better than this dreck.
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Watched the video. I agree, ZF. He could be taking out a pen for note taking, allowed.
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"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."
ZF & Mrs D. NOT ALLOWED
REPEAT
Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."
DON'T MAKE EXCUSES FOR BAD BEHAVIOR. THAT's VERY P.C.
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Looks like a pack of Dentyne, which he needed to clean his horse-teeth.
I want Kerry to win because Bush is soft on Muslims, and Kerry can be harsh when he has to be. He won't waste tens of billions on smart-bombs, or let the House of Saud get away with terror, like the Texas brat did.
Prior to the debate, 55% of persons polled supported that dypso-idiot Bush on foreign policy, while only 38% supported that religious crackpot on domestic issues. And that Saudi flunkey lost ground on his strong point. He doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.
What is needed to advance the war on Islam is: vote Kerry on the basis of malleability. The American people can pressure him to toss nukes when the enemy gives us a pretext (I haven't received my pound of flesh on 9-11 yet). Bush has proven that his lips can't be separated from Muslim cleric butt. His Presidency is at best a sick joke, and at worst a symbolic spit on the graves of the 9-11 dead.
C'mon! You have been attacking Kerry day and night here; but nobody has anything good to say about Bush. If you can't like that Texas-CROOK, then start hating him.
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I DON'T WANT THIS ENTRY TO GET LOST AMIDST THE HYPERBOLE...
"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."
ZF & Mrs D. NOT ALLOWED
REPEAT
Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."
DON'T MAKE EXCUSES FOR BAD BEHAVIOR. THAT's VERY P.C.
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You made a good point the first time, Big Ed. I'd still like to see something that indicates it's notes, though. If it's only a pen and a technical violation, I'd call it no harm, no foul. Breaking rules is what Democrats are all about. I'm sure the next debate, Karl will be on the lokout for it. Fool me onece shame on you...
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Maybe he took out that hamster he gave CPR to all those years ago. Maybe it's his good luck charm.
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BigEd, I have no problem with seeing Kerry drummed out of the race. But this blurry video doesn't even convince me, someone who sees Kerry as a traitor. How is it going to convince the rest of America, which sees Kerry as an eloquent debater and veteran Senator? If someone has a videotape of the event, I am willing to digitize it and post it on Kazaa in hi-res format so that we can figure out if there's anything to this allegation. What I see just isn't clear enough.
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Sherry: Go look at the video at this site -- just after the handshake, it's pretty obvious, something comes out of Kerry's coat, and it isn't a pen. I viewed it in theatre mode.
It's very pixelated, and it's not clear what he removed from his pocket. We need a smoking gun. A blurry something isn't a smoking gun. That video is way too low-res. We need TV-quality video or stills.
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Bulldog---My wife is a psychologist and she said this AM that Kerry is a sociopath. Just like clinton, they are smooth, talk a good game, and tell you what you want to hear. Unfortunately, for many americans, she says, that style is what makes them feel good, and that is why so many like sociopaths. Look at how he did his style and body language during the debate. It was all image and style. Substance was lacking, only generalities. She also felt that it was good for GWB to go visit the people in hurricane affected areas in Florida, though it may have affected his performance in the debates.
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Anonymous6630-4:
1. Shut up;
2. Go away; and
3. DROP DEAD.
Take that crap somewhere else. TROLL.
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Hugh Hewitt is starting to talk about it.
There has got to be other camera angles, and more detail on the actual original video (in the hands of FOX?)
ZF evidently can't believe Kerry is this stupid, but what appears as grainy on a web video, must have higher res in the original may prove Kerry is that stupid.
Nothing means nothing The debate rules so state....be it a pen or even his favorite rabbits foot! He has to explain what he pulled out of his pocket. He pulled SOMETHING out of there....
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When pressed on the fact that even brandishing a pen from his jacket would have violated debate rules, the Kerry staffer laughed, adding, "See you at the inauguration, Drudge".
This is the kind of crap knowing cheaters say. The Democrat leadership and rank and file still believe that Bush "stole the election". Even thought that has been repeatedly shown to be a myth. Mention it and the spittle stats flinging from their mouths. They openly state their gut level hate for Bush while frothing at the mouth. Do you think they wouldn't resort to any kind of thing they think needed to do to win? I am starting to think we might need to start literally beating Dems in the streets. I am sure that plenty of them would love to see me in a camp some place for PC thought crimes. I have already told plenty of them to FOAD and I am not even a Republican.
I am a registered Libertarian. I just want all the political, religious and, government wingnuts to leave me alone. Most of all I want to be safe.
Bush wins over everyone running on that count. John Felcher Kerry loses. being in last place. So that Democrat troll that posted earlier thinking were all to stupid to know what he is shilling can FOAD.
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How can someone be "clearly intelligent" and yet "believe in a lot of stupid ideas"? Or did you mean that he is clearly long-winded, pompous, and conniving - more so than Bush?
Michael V. Kostiw, chosen by CIA Director Porter J. Goss to be the agency's new executive director, resigned under pressure from the CIA more than 20 years ago, according to past and current agency officials. While Kostiw, a colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve, longtime lobbyist for ChevronTexaco Corp. and more recently staff director of the terrorism subcommittee of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, has been through the CIA security vetting procedure, final clearance to take the job has not been completed pending review of the allegations. The job is the third-ranking post at the CIA.
In late 1981, after he had been a case officer for 10 years, Kostiw was caught shoplifting in Langley, sources said. During a subsequent CIA polygraph test, Kostiw's responses to questions about the incident led agency officials to place him on administrative leave for several weeks, according to four sources who were familiar with the past events but who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the information. While on leave, Kostiw told friends he decided to resign. Agency officials at the time arranged for misdemeanor theft charges to be dropped and the police record expunged in return for his resignation and his agreement to get counseling, one former official said.
Oh well. That's that. Nice knowing you.
CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield said yesterday that Kostiw had declined a request for an on-the-record interview. Goss also has refused to discuss the matter with The Washington Post. A CIA official who asked not to be identified said Kostiw, who had a top secret clearance while working for the House committee, "had undergone the security vetting process required of all CIA employees." He has taken a polygraph and psychological examination, according to a friend of Kostiw.
The CIA official, citing privacy considerations, refused to confirm or deny the events alleged by the former and current agency officials as the basis under which Kostiw previously left the agency. It was learned yesterday, however, that final adjudication of Kostiw's situation had not yet been completed, although his swearing-in had been scheduled for Monday, according to a friend of Kostiw. As executive director, Kostiw would have a major role in budgetary allocations within the agency and personnel matters, including promotions, assignments and discipline. He would "manage the CIA on a day-to-day basis," according to the CIA Web site. He would work with a board that includes the agency's chief financial officer, head of human resources, chief information officer, and chiefs of security, and global support.
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Don't see any particular problem here. Alleged shoplifting over twenty years ago? In '82 the agency would administer a polygraph if you farted too loud in the cafetria. Meantime, this guy seems to have ranked up some useful credentials. He knows the warts and bumps, and where the bones are buried.
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Perhaps, but if he's (a) dumb enough to shoplift in Langley (b) incompetently, I hope he has nothing to do with ops.
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In late 1981, after he had been a case officer for 10 years, Kostiw was caught shoplifting in Langley
It's not like he was just a stupid kid.
This is a major screw up by Goss or whomever recommened him to Goss. If I were Goss - I'd immediately roll lots of heads over anyone who touched Goss and allowed him through the loops.
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Sorry for the triple post - but I can't believe this. The only way Goss should survive this debacle is by assuring that whatever loopholes allowed Mr. Sticky to pass through the wickets, are exactly what he intends to close ASAP!!!!!
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Passing the SSBI and the poly are the main hurdles. And he would have been questioned about prior service and clearances, and his reasons for departing.
In my opinion, the settlement of any charges like that mean they were likely drummed up. In the 80's, there was a zero tolerence policy in force and no wiggle room. Remember this was in light of the problems other agencies had, like the Walker family, and Boyce & Daulton earlier.
This is more evidence of the CIA war against the current administration that such ancient information that was supposed to be expunged would be leaked at precisely the proper time to make Goss and the current administration look bad.
The CIA needs to be dismantled. It has become too politicised, and has failed too many times.
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"The CIA needs to be dismantled. It has become too politicised, and has failed too many times."
Which might explain why this guy is getting the Wapo treatment...you know, unnamed sources within the "intelligence" community. These days that's my immediate reaction to anything like this I see. Same as the Chalabi business, the "Israeli spy" stuff a couple months ago. Common sense should tell us all by now that there has to be a shakeup of the CIA, and it shouldn't surprise us at all if there are some folks who might prefer to resist any such shakeup.
I never heard of this guy before, but now that I read this, I like him.
THE newly crowned sultan of Sulu in the southern Philippines said on Sunday he will fight to get back the state of Sabah from Malaysian control, claiming territorial rights over the North Borneo territory. "I will fight for my family's rights in the World Court," Rodinood Julaspi Kiram 2nd told hundreds of followers outside a mosque in Quezon City, where he was crowned the 29th sultan of the Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo. "Malaysia is illegally occupying Sabah. Sabah is ours, we will take it back."
Kiram said he was appalled to watch television images of Filipino women and children being maltreated by Malaysian police in several Sabah communities. Tens of thousands of Filipinos in Sabah have been sent back home since 2002. "The Malaysians have no authority to expel Filipinos from Sabah because the territory belongs to us," he said, adding he would enlist the help of the Philippine government to bring his case to the International Court of Justice. Kiram, 56, is only now ascending to the sultanate's throne, five years after his father's death, because of confusion about succession rules. The last Sultan of Sulu left about 70 families as heirs.
Kiram said Malaysia helped Muslim rebels fight Manila in the 1970s, providing the separatists with sanctuaries, training bases, weapons and moral support. He said he knew about the Malaysia's role in the rebellion because he was a former guerrilla leader himself. Kiram said Malaysia has recently changed strategy and agreed to broker peace negotiations between the Philippine government and the Muslim rebels only to protect its claims on Sabah.
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Why the world so chaos about the an "Impostor" Sultan Roodinood? (By refer the the P.A.W.C.I - USA Record & Nicholas Tarling, Sulu & Sabah: Page: 327 -Clearly mentioned that Sultan Jamalul-Kiram-II had shares with many wives, but unfortunately they presented him with NO HEIR, "NO MALE ISSUE" when he dead in 1936). So, if Sultan Jamalul-Kiram-II have NO HEIR's....then who's these Sultan Julaspi-Kiram-II & Sultan Roodinood?! The answer, THEY ARE AN IMPOSTORS to the Sulu Sultanate! Anybody can proclaim themselves as "The Sultan of Sulu", BUT must "Prove" their claims with evidences first! The Sulu "Real-Heirs" have holding the royal heritages-symbols as The Pulau Janggi (Sepoh Janggi) & The Sulu Sultanate Seals. (The Kiram -Gold Seal, Shakiraullah -Silver Seal & The Maharajah Adinda/Arinda -Cooper Seal). So, what was the Sultan Julaspi & Sultan Roodinood royal heritages-symbols they have?! The Sulu Sultanate have 3 Lineages (if you refer to the symbols on the Sulu Sultanate flag), the Kiram (Keris symbol), Shakiraullah (Barung/Big Sword) and The Maharajah Adinda/Arinda families (Spear symbol). Also, in THE SULU SULTANATE SYSTEM, the Sulu Sultanate throne should "ROTATED" among the 3 lineages of the Sulu Royal families (Refer to Ceaser Adib Majul -Sulu Political Institution). So, since the death of Sultan Jamalul-Kiram-II in 1936, the Kiram & Shakiraullah families right to the Sulu throne were "ENDED", (due to they are came from so-called the first heir-apparents). Since that time, their families just can be called as "The Heirs" NOT "The Successors". Then the throne should give & belongs to The Maharajah Adinda/Arinda families as so-called the second heir-apparent. This is the Sulu Royal-Families called as "The Heirs And Successors" as have been documented on the 1878 North-Borneo Leasing Agreement. Nowdays, only the Maharajah Adinda/Arinda families have fully right to claim the Sulu & the North-Borneo territories, NOT Kiram, Shakiraullah or other parties! THESE ARE THE FACTS SHOULD UNDERSTAND BY ANYBODY!
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THE SULU SULTANATE TRUE-HEIR's GENEALOGY (THE TRUE SULTAN OF SULU NOWDAYS) IS;
HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS DATU/SULTAN ALIUDDIN (DATU ALIUDDIN -His name now in Sabah) @ DATU HADDIS PABILA (His name when he was young) @ DATU MAPUTIH (The Sulu peoples called him by this name)
BIN HRH.DATU MOHAMMAD SIE/SEH/SHEIKH
-The person's whom was Sultan Jamalul-Kiram-II looking for at Siasi Island for getting a seal to his Installation letter's (from the Maharajah Adinda/Arinda Royal Seal, the Cooper-Seal) for the purposed of authentication of his installation, after his coronation as the Sultan of Sulu.
IBNI MAHARAJAH ADINDA/ARINDA SULTAN MOHAMMAD ARANAN/ADANAN PUYO- DATU ARANAN/ADANAN PUYO
-He just sat on the Sulu Sultanate throne just for a week only in 1862, after Sultan Pulalon. Then he abdicated himself from the throne, and give the throne to Datu Jamalul-Azam @ A'lam. He abdicated himself from the throne, due to old and lacked of wealth. He was NOT given the Sulu throne to his own sons, Datu Amirul, Datu Mohammad Sie/Seh/Sheikh or Datu Laja. WHY? Because he was following the "TARTIB"-The Sulu Protocol System. That the Sulu Sultanate throne should "ROTATED" among the Sulu Royal Families (The Kiram, Shakiraullah & Maharajah Adinda/Arinda Families). His strong supports, then succeeded Datu Jamalul Azam @ A'lam to the throne become Sultan Jamalul Azam @ A'lam, even on that time have rival claims from Datu Jamalul Azam @ A'lam brother's to the throne, Datu Daniel ibni Sultan Pulalon. *This matters maybe cause then Sultan Jamalul Azam @ A'lam want the Maharajah Adinda/Arinda Families succeed the Sulu Sultanate throne after him. The words "The Heirs And Successors" in the 1878 North-Borneo Leasing Agreement proved that after the Kiram Families, the throne should give or belong to the Maharajah Adinda/Arinda Families, not to the other heirs!
IBNI PADUKA RAJA MUDA DATU BANTILAN
-He supposed to became the Sultan of Sulu after the death of Sultan Azimuddin @ Alimuddin-III in 1808. But, unfortunately his throne was grabbed by Sultan Aliuddin when he was not in Sulu.
IBNI SULTAN AZIMUDDIN @ ALIMUDDIN-II
-He succeeded the throne for the first time after his father Sultan Bantilan Muizzuddin. And the second time after Sultan Muhammad Esrail ibni Sultan Azimuddin @ Alimuddin-I.
IBNI SULTAN BANTILAN MUIZZUDDIN
-He was the person's who was not agreed with his brother Sultan Azimuddin @ Alimuddin-I @ Datu Lagasan ibni Sultan Badaruddin-I plan, which allowed the Christians Jesuits come to Sulu. The fighted of these 2 brothers, then forced Sultan Azimuddin @ Alimuddin-I leaved Sulu and then went to Manila.
IBNI SULTAN BADARUDDIN-I
-His first-wife's (from Soopeng, Sulawesi), then borned Sultan Azimuddin @ Alimuddin-I @ Datu Lagasan. His second-wife's (the Princess of Tirun Ruler, North-Borneo/Sabah), then borned Sultan Bantilan Muizzuddin @ Datu Pengeran Rajah Muda Bantilan and Dayang Meria (the mother's of Datu Teteng @ Tating-The person attacked the British sattlement at Balambangan in 1775. This Datu Teteng @ Tating have "Tanduk or Horn's" which growth on his head. The tanduk/Horn still exist till present and keep by the Maharajah Adinda/Arinda Families due to Datu Teteng @ Tating not have any heir).
IBNI SULTAN SALAHUDDIN-KARAMAT @ PANGERAN BAKHTIAR
-He was the person's to whom Sultan Muaddin from Brunei asked for help to fight Sultan Abdul Mubin at Pulau Chermin. The help of the Sultan of Sulu, then Brunei reward "North-Borneo/Sabah" to the Sulu Sultanate.
IBNI SULTAN MAWALIL-WASIT @ RAJA BONGSU-I
-He was reward PULAU JANGGI (Sepoh Janggi) by his father's Sultan Hassan of Brunei. This Pulau Janggi since then was mandated kept by the Maharajah Adinda/Arinda Families, NOT Kiram or Shakiraullah Families.
The PULAU JANGGI/Sepoh Janggi (from the world largest seed, Coco de mer) was the Sulu Royal symbol's as a proof that the Sulu Sultanate began from Sultan Mawalil-Wasit @ Raja Bongsu-I (in Brunei he was known as Pangeran Shahbandar Maharaja Lela) was the Youngest-son's of Sultan Muhammad Hassan (The 9th Sultan of Brunei).
Sultan Hassan eldest-son's = Sultan Jalilul-Akbar (Brunei Sultanate, descendant of HM. Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah nowdays).
Sultan Hassan middle-son's = Sultan Tengah (Sultan of Sarawak, but his descendent ruled the Sambas Sultanate till present).
Was believed the Coco de mer "Centre Part" was given by Sultan Hassan to his eldest-son's Sultan Jalilul-Akbar (Brunei), and the other "Side Part" was given to Sultan Tengah (Sultan of Sarawak -Maybe now its still keep in Sambas).
The Sulu Sultanate PULAU JANGGI was submitted by HRH.DATU/SULTAN ALIUDDIN BIN HRH.DATU MOHAMMAD SIE/SEH/SHEIKH to Brunei Muzeum in 1978 for "Safe-Keeping" NOT by the other persons! *(There also the other Sulu Sultanate claimants bring the FAKE PULAU JANGGI, for the purpose want to claims as the heirs to the Sulu Sultanate!)
IBNI SULTAN MUHAMMAD HASSAN (The 9th Sultan of Brunei).
*These article was writen for giving an informations about the "True Heir's And suppose the True Sultan of Sulu" nowdays!
Heri Kurniawan, alias Golun, left his Indonesian village in April after telling his family, including his pregnant wife, that he wanted to die a martyr. Five months later, he drove an explosive-filled van to the Australian Embassy in Jakarta and blew it up, killing himself and eight others, Indonesian police say. Golun's parents and friends say he and six other villagers developed a passion for holy war and a hatred for America and its allies after coming under the spell of two militant Islamic preachers who arrived in Kebon Pedes a year ago.
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Iranian people refrain from illigal travels to the Iraqi holy sites, Kamal Kharazi called on again during his visit to the released diplomat, Fereydoon Jahani. Reffering to the critical situation in Iraq, Iranian Foreign Minister added that holding personal passport and visa is vital for Iranian pilgrims who want to travel to Iraq. (What about all of Iran's exported jihadists, do they need a passport or just an AK47?)
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identifying marks (such as tattoos) on all limbs helps in identifying the parts later too...
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All segments should be numbered for easy reassembly.
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Iran FM warn of travel to Iraq holy sites
Straight from the horse's mouth ass.
In light of how Iran has fomented this selfsame danger, I cannot imagine a better authority on the topic. If only enraged Iraqis were the real source of peril for these Iranian maggots, that would be far more welcome news.
(Yup, it's more 'news' from AlJazeera. Look, we need to laugh!)
Iran dismissed Sunday a proposal by the U.S. presidential candidate John Kerry who suggested providing Tehran with nuclear fuel for its power facilities if the Islamic state agrees to abandon its own fuel-making activities.
First they had to stop laughing.
Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said that it would be "irrational" for Iran to jeopardize its nukes program by depending on supplies from abroad. "We have the technology (to make nuclear fuel) and there is no need for us to beg from others," Asefi said at a weekly news conference. "This suggestion is good for countries that do not have this technology, but we do not need their generosity and help." He added.
An Iranian thanking Kerry for "generosity and help" should be in the next Repub ad in a purple state.
The United States claims that Iran is planning to use its nuclear reactors to develop atomic bombs. Tehran insists that it is strictly seeking the peaceful generation of electricity from nuclear power.
The U.S. President George Bush wants Iran's dossier to be sent to the United Nations Security Council for possible sanctions over its nuclear program. But Kerry says that he would test Iran's intentions by supplying it with nuclear fuel for its power reactors if Tehran ceased its efforts to make its own fuel and returned the spent fuel after use. In his debate with Bush, Kerry said that the United States should have joined a British-French-German initiative that aimed at getting Iran to agree to halt activities related to the enrichment of uranium.
Asefi also said that Iran could not trust any agreement with the West to supply it with reactor fuel. This guy figured that out all by himself..
And quickly, too. Bright boy.
"What guarantees are there? Will they supply us one day and then, if they want to, stop supplying us on another day?" he said.
U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton stressed the Bush administration's tough line on Iran, in remarks published in Germany's Welt am Sonntag newspaper on Sunday. "We are not considering any military intervention at the moment. Note the wording here 'at the moment', no wonder the mad mullahs are going bonkers lol
But our position is that we should not exclude any option from the start. Iran must understand that our policy red line is the acquisition of nuclear weapons," he said. "The most important thing at the moment is to get Iran on to the agenda of the UN Security Council to demonstrate that the international community won't accept it acquiring nuclear status," he added.
Iran is allowed to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. It has rejected repeated calls by European countries to freeze its nuclear fuel-cycle activities. (What a glowing report that was :)
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I should have thought such diplomacy would be a slam dunk for Botox Boy. Ain't so easy being in the catbird seat is it JFK?
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First the French, now the Iranians nix Kerry's "plans". What's he got left?
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It puzzles me why Iran and the Axis of Weasels didn't wait till after the election to shaft Kerry (if necessary). It's almost as if they want his transnational pipedreams exposed as such.
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My assessment of the capability of the Mad Mullahs went up an notch. Even they could figure out that the reactor fuel rods came with long strings attached. I am surprised, however, that they did not string Kerry along for a while.
The MMs must figure that they are on a roll and that F**K YOU will work pretty well from here on out. Maybe their nuclear development progress is good enough that they can dispense with niceties and deception.
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Kerry's showing himself to be as incoherent, maddeningly inconsistent and naive as Jimmy Carter, whom nearly every European ally was desperate to get rid of by the end of his term.
Helmut Schmidt's views on Kerry would be very interesting to know.
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Let's say that Kerry wins the election (it could happen) and the mullahs agreed to this idea. Just how many people think that one picoliter of nuclear fuel would ever be shipped due to the lawsuits and legal shinnegans of the Democratic Parties envirowacko fringe. It may come that we have to ship nuclear material to the Irains. It just won't get delievered Fed EX
Note the source, AlJazeera 10-3-04 Iran said Sunday that although it wasn't able to confirm reports that Israeli agents have been operating in the Kurdish areas of northern Iraq, Iraqi officials should "pay attention". CBS is in need of a few good reporters.. Lets read this 'news' again: Iran said Sunday that although it wasn't able to confirm reports that Israeli agents have been operating in the Kurdish areas of northern Iraq, The Jihad boys at AlJazeera beating the same old drums.
"Regarding the presence of Israeli forces in northen Iraq, we have also heard some things," foreign ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi told reporters. heard some things?? Wow what reporting this is lolol
"We hope this news is a lie and that Iraqi officials pay attention to the sensitivities of neighbouring countries," he warned, adding the matter was the subject of "protests" by several states on the sidelines of an Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) gathering in Turkey. Although Asefi said "our proof is only based on reports", lol
he warned that any Israeli presence in northern Iraq "is not something that the Islamic and regional nations would accept, because Israel is an enemy of the region." Because Iran' mullahs say so ...please
Allegations that Israeli agents have been operating in Iraq's Kurdish areas has been circulating for several months. (I bet they have with pro-Iranian reporting like this rubbish.)
On Saturday, Mustafa Feki, a leading Egyptian MP charged that Israel had taken advantage of the U.S. war on Iraq and the political turmoil in the country, to deploy large numbers of it agents there to spy on Iran and Syria. (Somebody has something to they do not others viewing) "They can deny it all they like but it's the reality," (WOW)
said Mustafa Feki, the chairman of the Egyptian parliamentary foreign affairs committee and a leading member of the ruling National Democratic Party of President Hosni Mubarak.
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Actually, I have no doubt that north Iraq is crawling with Israelis, who are not on hostile terms with the Kurds. However, I would also suggest that the Israelis are for the most part just passing through en route to Iran. Didn't they say as much a while back, that air power alone wasn't enough to insure that Iran didn't make nuclear weapons? If it isn't in the air, it's got to be on the ground. In any event, best wishes and godspeed.
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What would the Kurds gain from a nuclear Iran? Nothing. If there is any truth to the allegations, this is the reason why. If Iran goes nuclear, the Kurds in Iran may never regain their freedom.
Iran says it is not willing to be held to ransom for the nuclear technology it has already developed in order to maintain its growing electricity needs. Iran said today it had already acquired the technology to produce its own nuclear fuel and said it would be "irrational" to agree to surrender such a capability in exchange for supplies from overseas. "One should not put one's fate in the hands of others. It would be irrational," said foreign ministry spokesman, Hamid Reza Asefi. "We have the technology and there is no need for us to beg from others. This suggestion is good for countries that do not have this technology, but we do not need their generosity and help," he added. Asefi was reacting to US Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, who has suggested providing Iran with nuclear fuel to generate electricity if the country agreed to give up its controversial work on the nuclear fuel cycle.
"Mr. Howell! Mr. Howell!"
"What is it, Gilligan? Can't you see I'm busy?"
"They said 'no,' Mr. Howell!"
"Did they? Lovey! Go speak French to them!"
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I can't wait for that moment when "W" goes before the nation and the world, to give the regime 48 hours to comply! That second leg of the "Axis Of Evil" is determined to fulfill destiny!!
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One should not put one's fate in the hands of others.
No truer words have ever been spoken. Perhaps the Iranian people need to consider this sage advice as they examine the precipice their mullahs are rushing headlong towards, population in tow.
Secretary-General Kofi Annan reported that Syria has not pulled its forces out of Lebanon as called for by the UN Security Council, and said he had requested a timetable from Damascus for its "full implementation."
Not much gets by old Kofi, does it?
He said Lebanon also failed to meet a council request to disband and disarm all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias and told the council he had asked Beirut for a similar timetable for its compliance.
Right. This I want to see...
"It is time, 14 years after the end of hostilities and four years after the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, for all parties concerned to set aside the remaining vestiges of the past," Annan said Friday in a report to the Security Council. "The withdrawal of foreign forces and the disbandment and disarmament of militias would, with finality, end that sad chapter of Lebanese history," he said. On Sept 2, the deeply divided council narrowly adopted a resolution introduced by the United States and France calling for the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Lebanon and the disbanding of militias. It asked Annan to report on compliance in 30 days. Asked later by reporters if, in the report, he is pushing for a Syrian troop withdrawal, Annan said the resolution "speaks quite clearly on that."
"I ain't demanding it, see? But the resolution does. What can I do?"
While the resolution sent a strong message to Syria from the United States and key European countries to get out of Lebanon, the final draft was defanged dropped a threat "to consider additional measures" if it isn't implemented. Annan said Lebanese officials assured him of their intent to disarm all militias, but also informed him that "the fragile security situation in the region, the risk to Lebanon's stability and the lack of a comprehensive regional peace process would make it difficult to implement the resolution immediately and fully."
"We're gonna do it, see? But we can't while there's Zionists about..."
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Does anyone know how many troops were being shifted from Lebanon to The Iraqi border ? I think Syria maintained about 25,000 in Lebanon.
Kerry's own party has already proved the deterrent value of the B61-11 bunker-buster, when Libya, threatened by Perry and Clinton with the B61-11, halted its construction of underground nuclear facilities. Source is liberal defense org CDI, which recites the arguments of left-lib critics of the B61-11 but gives away the game in its account of the actual, real-world example of a Dem administration's successful use of this deterrent by brandishing it against Khaddafi.
"Proponents claim these weapons could destroy deeply buried facilities used in the production of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons and would thereby dissuade people like Saddam Hussein from developing such weapons in the first place. Opponents claim creating such weapons would threaten international law and might accelerate the proliferation of nuclear weapons without giving the United States much added bunker-busting capability. Little noted in this debate is the fact that the United States has been at work on similar weapons since the mid-nineties and already has a bunker-busting nuclear weapon, the B61-11, a nuclear gravity bomb.
"The Pentagon began developing the B61-11 in 1993 and deployed it in 1997. Treading lightly around its obligations under the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, which the United States observes but has never ratified, American nuclear scientists billed B61-11 as a spin-off of an existing weapon. By putting an iron casing around the nuclear warhead, the design theoretically allowed the weapon, released from an aircraft, to burrow through earth or concrete to destroy its target - the same mission officials at the Department of Energy envision for weapons currently being studied.
"In 1996, the United States even threatened to use the B61-11 against Libya. When American intelligence learned that the Libyans were building a large underground plant to develop chemical weapons, Defense Secretary William Perry stated publicly that the United States would consider its whole range of weapons to stop construction - an implicit reference to nuclear weapons.5 One of Perry's assistants, Harold Smith, departing from the administration's script of calculated ambiguity, later explicitly mentioned to reporters that, since the United States lacked the conventional capability to destroy such targets, the B61-11 would be the "weapon of choice" for this role.6 [SPIN ALERT]
Although it is unclear what factors influenced their decision, [END SPIN ALERT] the Libyans eventually halted construction...."
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Hello, Karl Rove.... This is a repeat of Reagan vs Mondale. We're facing a sworn enemy that's attacked us via proxies repeatedly and that's now an inch away from getting nukes.
And the choice is between a true National Security candidate and an arms control dupe. Hawk vs peacenik. Paint the choice in those terms and you've got the undecided vote in the bag.
Get cracking. And get a national address, the one on Iran and also Samarrah/Fallujah offensive, on the air ASAP.
1. You will tolerate if someone says that there is no Allah, but will call for his head if he says that Mohammad is not the final prophet of that Allah.
2. You will claim that Allah is most merciful and most compassionate, but will also say those who do not believe in Allah will be roasted in the boiling oil by Allah.
3. You will claim that Allah has already decided who will be the Muslim and who will not be, but you will also claim that Allah has ordered the Muslims to convert the kafirs into Islam.
4. You will claim that Allah is omnipotent, but will also say the Allah is begging everyone to believe Him.
5. You will claim that Allah is omniscient, yet you will claim that Allah does not know what you are going to do next, since He has given you the freewill.
6. You will claim that Islam is a religion and those who critisize Islam are anti-muslim racists, but will also ask all the nations should be politically ruled by Islamic Law.
7. You will claim that Islam gives equal freedom/rights to women as well as men, but will say that women should be veiled but not men.
8. You will ask for rights for veling Muslim women in non muslim countries, but will refuse the rights of non muslim women to wear what they like in Muslim majority nations.
9. You will ridicule the myths in other religions but you will also claim that Mohammad rode a mythical horse to heaven.
10. You will always say "insha Alla" meaning all things happen due to the will of Allah, but will say all the criticism of Islam is satanic act and all the anti-Muslim acts are satanic acts.
11. You will claim that Islam is most tolerant but you will also shout all the critics of your views should be killed.
12. You will claim that Quran is without confusion, but you will also claim that your own sect is the only one that correctly understood Quran.
13. You will claim that Allah is limitless in his capacity but will also claim that Allah cannot talk to anyone after having talked to Mohammad.
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John - good idea. We could write a whole routine for a comic.
With a death wish.
Let's go for it. :-p
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Is this something like you might be a redneck (fundamentalist) if...
If your mother-in-law's burqa was bought at the Ringling Brothers' garage sale, you may be a backwater Islamist.
If the welcome basket for your new Jewish neighbors contains chocolate covered gelignite, you may be a backwater Islamist.
If the multiple choice portion of your class final includes the question, "Paper or Plastique?", you may be a backwater Islamist.
If getting bombed does not involve overconsumption of any alcoholic beverages, you may be a backwater Islamist.
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Many of these commentators are using the "Canada Standard" to judge Iraq. That is, unless Iraq is like Canada IN ALL WAYS then it is chaos, quagmire, utterly futile, a gross miscalculation and "another Vietnam". The amusing bit is that the success of Iraq is as devastating to them as was the collapse of the Soviet Union. It means that they and their leftist brethren *were wrong*. Without reservation, absolutely and totally wrong. And that thought is as painful to them, to "the cause", as having their foot run over by a lorry.
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A certain amount of navel inspection is O.K. but it is easy to get bogged down and mired in indecision to the extent that you do nothing. Reuel Marc Gerecht talks a lot about might haves, should haves, and could haves but at the end of the day what does it stand for? If there is a kind of democratization of Iraq, I don't see how the Sunni's will ever be in power again. There will be a Shite-dominated country that will probably be closely allied with Iran. Something will have to be done to cool down the nuclear saber rattling of Iran.
The arguments about whether we should have gone into Iraq are not worth debating at this point--we are there. We need to see it through. Iraq may be the linch-pin of the mid-East. Once Iraq is pacified (democratized), the entire mid-East may finally settle down. It's was a bold gamble that just might work.
Something had to be done about the festering sore in the mid-East. 911 was the culmination of doing nothing.
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Another thing nearly all of these commentators do, besides applying what Anonymoose dubbed the "Canada Standard", is assume that the small handful of publicly-stated motives given for invading Iraq were the **ONLY** reasons we did it. And from that, they proceed to the conclusion that if democracy cannot be established in Iraq, then the whole operation was a failure.
A democratic Iraq would be an enormous plus, to be sure; but in my view the most important thing we've achieved is we've now got 160,000 heavily-armed U.S. troops on a huge land base right next door to the three biggest sources of Islamic trouble: Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. That land base smack-dab in the heart of Arabia gives us options we've never had before for dealing with the Islamoloonies, and those options are **NOT** dependent on whether or not we succeed in making Iraq democratic.
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Personally Dave, I always preferred the option of taking out Mecca the next time anything happens in the U.S.--we need to make certain they understand that is an option.
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Sorry for the multiple posts but amend that last comment. Take out the next time anything happens in the U.S. Maybe we should keep that option open just for the hell of it.
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Well, that's a pretty big step-- one that would instantly plunge us into a war against all of Islam, all at once. We're good, but I don't know that we'd want to have that kind of battle on our hands if we can avoid it.
On the other hand, if terrorists were to succeed in setting off a nuke in one of our cities, we're going to be taking out a helluva lot more than Mecca.
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Re #6: Agreed.
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I gave way to my jingoistic feelings this evening. However, I do recall that we firebombed Dresden which had little military value during WWII.
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Were we to take out Mecca in the aftermath of a massive CBR attack on the US, we would likely be bolstering the claim that this is a genocidal war. One serious consequence of making an 'option open' is that you have to intend to carry it out.
On a strictly technical level 'taking out' Mecca makes zero military sense. It is a religious city. It has no military signifigance, no strategically importance in support of operations of our enemies; and taking it out would simply be punitive in nature: in my most humble opinion, a gross waste of military resouces.
I like to think that our military forces fight wars as if our principle matters to us. That is why we won't level mosques, and it is why our commanders in the field understand why they are in Iraq. Our commanders there understand that priciples do indeed matter to us. That is why our forces are so militarily efficient: because our principles and ideals matter to us. We don't fire on non-combantants and we don't level cities that have no military signifigance in a war.
Talk of taking out Mecca in a resposne to a CBR attack is irresponsible, and inconceivable at any official level. It would be punishing a people and their religious icons for something 99 percent of them most likey do not support, and certainly did not participate in.
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The threat of taking out the center of this satanic death cult should always be on the table. The Whole of Islam should know that there are multiple launch systems standing by to take out Mecca and Medna. They get watch if they don't get these jahadi under control and they do something stupid again.
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Mecca may not be a military significance, but if the Muslims themselves do not have a regard for their own religion and shoot the U.S soldiers from inside the mosque, then we definitely need to level the mosque. We have been way too political in this war. When Rumsfeld gave up on Falluja, he was pulling a Clinton (Somalia). I hope Sammara is the start of something great.
I don't agree with the Iraq war until we killed Osama, but as Dave D has mentioned, forget about Democracy and now that we are there, let's get some bases out of this situation. Syria and Iran are just waiting for a ass kicking. We need to get Osama first.
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Mecca may not be a military significance, but if the Muslims themselves do not have a regard for their own religion and shoot the U.S soldiers from inside the mosque, then we definitely need to level the mosque.
You have a buncha Muslims shooting at troops from a mosque you have a building and a military problem, though not a serious one. But you level a building to get at a few jihadis and you have aided your enemy in several different ways.
It may make you feel good that Al (Insert Isalmis sounding name name here ) mosque was leveled by US aircraft because a few insanely hostile terrorists have hijacked it and are using it for their own purposes, but now you have excellent cover for them which will increase the chances of your soldiers getting shot even more. Add to that the enemy can make all the insane charges they nomrally make only this time they have photos. A real propoganda victory for them and a short lived military advantage for us. In other words a waste of military resources
Well the mosque is leveled and we all feel great, but we still have a place from where soldiers can get shot from riflemen with better places to hide, and now terrorists know that no matter how hard you 'bounce the rubble' it won't come down on them.
Now in all of this I don't say no mosque or any building of historicval signifigance shouldn't come down if it has military value. It should if a military advantage could be gained. But this talk of leveling a religious city simply for punitive reasons has no value; it gets us nowhere. We win nothing in the ground war or in the propoganda war.
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You go Badanov. It is every bit as offensive and counterproductive to level a mosque as it is a church. It may need to be done at times - but it's never a good idea.
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#10 If the scenario occurred that you outlined, i.e. a massive CBR attack on the U.S. I would argue that genocide had already occurred. Retalitory response should be measured and appropriate.
We have a great military--I have no complaints there.
When Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki wer bombed, we got a lot of religious shrines and innocent people. However, the war did come to and end. I would argue that it did have strategic consequences.
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If the scenario occurred that you outlined, i.e. a massive CBR attack on the U.S. I would argue that genocide had already occurred. Retalitory response should be measured and appropriate. We have a great military--I have no complaints there. When Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki wer bombed, we got a lot of religious shrines and innocent people. However, the war did come to and end. I would argue that it did have strategic consequences
Nagasaki and Hiroshima both had strategic consequences because they had a strategic purposes: bring Japan to surrender, which they were clearly not going to do. So your argument supports mine. The Nuking of Japan has a clear strategic purpose in that surrender occurred within 30 days of the last bomb.
But your argument that Dresden brought the war to a conclusion is silly. It was still 3 more months of fighing for the Allies before the Gemans' surrender. In fact since the Allies were forced to go into Berlin, it can well argued that the bombing of dreden hardened resistance, and possibly prolonged the war. The bombing of Dresden was clearly an attempt to kill German morale and terrorize civilians, but outside of that it had little military advantage. But I don't want to get into a fight about Dresden.
Link goes to Free Republic post...story is apparently from Maarev Hebrew edition and translated by Freeper...
The IDF and the Shabak (Shin Bet) have foiled numerous attempts by terrorists in the Gaza strip to smuggle hand grenades inside the behinds of sheep.
I'm not touching this one. Insert your own baaaaad sheep joke here.
The new method was foiled about a month ago after the arrest in the Kahn Younis area of a Arab cell identified with the "Abu Rish" faction of the Tanzim terrorist group. The Arabs tried to smuggle through the Mousai road in the southern Gaza Strip hand grenades inside four sheep belonging to them. In the last few days Abrihim Drajam, one of the members of the cell, has been charged with a crime.
Cruelty to hand grenades?
Draj'am is accused of exploiting the permit given to him by the IDF in order to smuggle weapons in the Gaza strip. During the month of July, Drajam tried to smuggle through the pass he worked at eight hand grenades in the behinds of live sheep that were passing at the passageway. The hand grenades were to be used to commit terror attacks against soldiers who were stationed at the place.
The arrest of Drajam occured when he was on the way to meeting another terrorist who he was supposed to train in on how to insert the grenades into the sheeps behinds.
In his investigation Drajam said he was to receive the sheep with the grenades in their behinds, and then he was to remove the grenades and hide them in his house. The arrest of Drajam occured when he was on the way to meeting another terrorist who he was supposed to train in on how to insert the grenades into the sheeps behinds. Two of his friends were also arrested. From an investigation it was found that Drajam was also in contact with other smugglers who used to smuggle through the Tabuah checkpoint explosive devices inside milk kettles. In the beginning six hand grenades were found inside a milk kettle, and even this smuggling operation Draj'am knew about it. The IDF says this is the first time they have witnessed an attempt to smuggle explosive materials inside live animals. The IDF worries that terrorist groups have managed, using the same tactic, to smuggle into Gaza and outside of it many arms.
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Maybe the pulling cords hanging out from the fantail gave away the scheme.
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Shlomo: "Hey, Ahmed, Halt!"
Ahmed: "Why, what's ah problem?"
Shlomo: "Your sheep walk funny."
Ahmed: "They're pregnant, sarge."
Shlomo: "Pregnant, huh? Well let me take a look, I am a veterenarian."
Shlomo pats sheep on tummy, looks over behind and mumbles under his breath: "Why the heck the cunt looks normal but the anus is red and swollen...?"
Checks another sheep and there is a part of a plastic bag protruding from its anus. Shlomo pulls and one by one, hand grenades are coming out.
Shlomo: "Looky here, Ahmed, 8 babies came out. This sheep is not pregnant anymore. Say, Ahmed, what if I throw one of the babies in your direction? Or ... would you rather go to jail for smuggling illegal aliens?"
By Nidal al-Mughrabi Israeli leader Ariel Sharon has vowed to widen an offensive into Gaza which has killed 55 Palestinians until militants stop firing rockets that have fuelled criticism of his plan to quit the occupied strip. Defying one of the biggest and bloodiest raids in four years of conflict, militants fired another rocket into Israel on Sunday. Israel killed them with a missile as they tried to leave the launch site with a donkey cart. IDF personnel were heard shouting, "Your ass is mine!"
The Palestinian rocket caused no casualties in Israel. Prime Minister Sharon needs to show he can stop rocket strikes like one that killed two Israeli toddlers last Wednesday to counter rightists who say that evacuating troops and Jewish settlers from Gaza will encourage more attacks. Nearly 200 tanks and armoured vehicles have seized 9 square km (3 square miles) of the northern strip and pushed deep into teeming Jabalya refugee camp, a militant hotbed. Sharon told Army Radio the army would expand the "buffer zone" in northern Gaza to spare Israeli towns from rocket attacks and ensure there was no withdrawal under fire next year. "Evacuating the Gaza Strip is a plan that will be carried out and all orders have been given to ensure that there will be no fire at the time of the evacuation and I believe not after that either," Sharon said. Israel's army chief said the operation could last weeks. Best news of all. At this rate "weeks" = a whole lotta dead Hamas.
Militant factions have vowed to drive back the four-day-old offensive and to fire rockets deeper into the Jewish state. Two militants from the Popular Resistance Committees were killed moments after firing Sunday's rocket. The army said it hit them as they left with a cart laden with accelerants projectiles.
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Gunbattles subsided somewhat in Jabalya as the army strengthened its grip. Wary of Israeli drones buzzing overhead to direct fire, fighters tried to keep undercover. Residents in the town of 100,000 said they were terrified. [wrings hands in despair]
The Palestinians are "terrified." The Palestinians are "terrified." Dear oh dear, what to do? Whatever can we do about these maggots getting a taste of their own medicine?
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"We are short of water and food. Children cannot sleep because of the gunfire," said farmer Hassan Abu Ahmad, a father of seven children who was hiding at his home in Sikka Street, eastern Jabalya. Maybe the gunfire will tone down a bit if you tell them to stop all those "weddings," Hassan.
Israeli troops killed three militants from Hamas and the kindred Islamic Jihad group early on Sunday. The army said it opened fire when it saw the men planting a bomb. Another militant was shot dead in Jabalya. Medics said a 13-year-old boy died of wounds after being shot in Jabalya. The army was checking the report. Palestinian witnesses said a deaf man was shot dead on his balcony. The army said he was suspected of being a spotter for the militants. I guess he didn't hear the warning shots.
The latest casualties brought the Palestinian death toll to 55, at least 34 of them militants. Three more Israelis have been killed, two soldiers and a woman jogger. Armoured bulldozers demolished homes, citrus orchards, a clothing factory and a kindergarten in the northern Gaza Strip, witnesses said. The army says it is destroying cover used for firing rockets. Palestinians call it collective punishment. And Palestinian terror attacks against Israel are not a form of collective punishment? You can take your well-sauced gander and stuff it. Preferrably where the sun don't shine.
Addressing the zone under siege by radio, Palestinian President Yasser Arafat urged people to stand firm "against those racists, barbarians and criminals." But his leadership has signalled that militants should stop rocket attacks to avoid "giving the Israelis a pretext." "[P]retext?" How about just f%&king cause?
Militant factions are bent on giving the impression that they drove Israel out of the Gaza Strip if there is a pullout from the territory occupied since the 1967 war. Israel's army is determined to smash them first. My money's on "smash them first."
Hamas militants, sworn to Israel's destruction, have threatened to use its rockets to hit Ashkelon, the closest major Israeli city, 12 km (7.5 miles) to Gaza. Israeli security sources believe Ashkelon is too far away to face a major threat.
Archbishop Desmond Tutu is to appear in a New York off-Broadway play highly critical of the US handling of detainees at Guantanamo Bay... The accompanying photo is priceless. "You love me! You really love me!"
Palestinian religious leaders have welcomed efforts by two US-based Christian groups to exert economic pressure on Israel in response to its repressive policies against the Palestinians. This week, the US-based Episcopal Church said it would contemplate action against companies involved in the occupation of Palestine, especially in the construction of the separation wall Israel is building in the West Bank. The wall, declared illegal by the International Court of Justice in The Hague, is viewed by the bulk of the international community as a land grab and an attempt to kill any prospect of a viable Palestinian state in the West Bank.
Earlier, another American church, the Presbyterian Church, embarked on a campaign to against companies involved in the building of Jewish-only settlements in the occupied territories. "We salute these two churches for taking these courageous steps to help the oppressed Palestinian people," said archimandrite Ata Allah Hanna, spokesman of the Orthodox Church in Jerusalem. "We do hope and pray that other churches and groups will act similarly in fulfilment of Jesus Christ's ideals of siding with the victims of oppression." He told Aljazeera.net the churches' decisions were not made hastily or haphazardly. "They dispatched their representatives to Palestine who saw the enormity of Israeli repression and persecution. It is imperative to point out that no real Christian can accept, condone or ignore the colossal crimes Israel is committing in this holy land."
Some Jewish leaders have denounced the Presbyterian and Episcopal churches' attitudes towards its barrier. "There is a certain moral blindness here that is very hard for me to understand," Rabbi Erec Yoffie, president of the Union for Reform Judaism, was quoted as saying on Friday. "There is no parallel pressure on the Palestinians. That is unfair," said Yoffie, who has been convincing the leaders of the Presbyterian Church to revoke its campaign.
Responding to the claims of a Jewish leader that the campaign was motivated by anti-semitism, Ikrima Sabri, the mufti of Palestine, said: "These rabbis are with Israel, right or wrong. They want the world to turn a blind eye to the slow-motion holocaust Israel is carrying out against five million defenceless and helpless human beings whose fault is their enduring yearning for freedom from Jewish tyranny."
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The Epicopaleans and Presbyterians are getting militant. What will happen next. I always thought the Episcopols made certain there was enough booze at the party.
Israel needs to still their concerns. The separation wall will become an antiquity. It is a religious symbol. It is a remembrance of the Holocaust. Besides it will prevent terrorist bombers from coming into Israel and bombing innocent folks. Get real.
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Good lord,
Never thought I'd see the day that Presbyterian's & Episcopalians would stoop to this sort of BS, PC, nonsense!
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The position of the Episcopalian and Presbyterian leadership just demonstrates how far the clergy has moved from the people. Over the years the leadership has become effete, feminized. They believe themselves better than their congregants and feel they must lead them to a new age of enlightenment that includes acceptance of homosexuality, female priests, etc. and a rejection of the old beliefs. Whether by conscious design or by the natural decay of institutions, the old line protestant churches are becoming increasingly irrelevant.
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The Episcopal and Presbyterian churches need to face having all of their financial holdings boycotted. Whatever companies have accepted large-scale investment from these churches should be faced with consumer boycotts of their products or services.
This sort of politically correct bullsh!t being directed against those who are dedicated to fighting terrorism needs to carry a price tag. Commercial enterprises that willingly accept the financing or support of those who would deter the fight against terrorism need to feel the pinch.
"We do hope and pray that other churches and groups will act similarly in fulfilment of Jesus Christ's ideals of siding with the victims of oppression."
What is this horseshit? The Palestinians are not "victims of oppression," unless you closely examine their own leadership. The Israelis are rightfully defending their population against murderous psychotics.
Israel's fence represents one of the most benign possible solutions to continued Palestinian terror attacks. Were the positions reversed, no Arab country would even hesitate to have gone in and slaughtered the entire offending population. You can also bet that the world media would not even squeak about such an offensive as opposed to the uproar against Israel's nigh-well meticulous targeting of terrorist leadership.
Instead, we are treated to constant whingeing and moaning about the relatively restrained approach that Israel has used throughout their campaign against Palestinian terror. The only surprise in all of this is that Israel has not simply begun to raze all of the refugee camps and let the Palestinians fend for themselves out in the desert. The Palestinians deserve nothing less.
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I never thought I'd appreciate the snake handling services we have in the South.
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For everyone who is pissed, be pissed no more:
Matthew Ch. 7
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,(side w/terrorists that killed the apple of your eye) and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
"We do hope and pray that other churches and groups will act similarly in fulfilment of Jesus Christ's ideals of siding with the victims of oppression."
The Epi-Presb-Luth churches think they know the Bible, these Satan influenced chruches wouldn't know the Bible if Jesus personally took the Bible and slapped them across the face with it.
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On Sky TV they keep on referring to what's happening in Gaza as 'tit-for-tat violence'. This is so typical of the dumbing-down of the media everywhere.
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O.K. the Episcopalians and Presbyterians are leftists. David Horowitz, former new leftie turned hawk is interviewed regarding his book: Unholy Alliance Part II (don't know what happened in Part I). There is an interesting discussion on www.frontpagemag.com on 10/1/04 linking the left with radical Islam in a round about way. I was a kid during WWII. Growing up I recall there was a fairly strong link between Muslins and Adolph Hitler. Adolph's Arabic name was supposedly Abu Ali. There is an article in www.frontpagemag.com dating back to 12/6/02 entitled: Islam's Nazi Connections. Which is it? Are the jihadists communists or facists?
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Are the jihadists communists or facists?
John, communism's godless central government will never fly with Islam. The jihadis seek theocratic totalitarianism.
However, as a matter of record, there was a well-documented, thriving relationship between the Arab/Muslim world and Nazi Germany, with perhaps the most significant figure linking Hitler to the Middle East being none other Sabri's very own predecessor, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini.
... Hitler's Mein Kampf currently ranks sixth on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs. Luis Al-Haj, translator of the Arabic edition, writes glowingly in the preface about how Hitler's "ideology" and his "theories of nationalism, dictatorship and race⦠are advancing especially within our Arabic States." When Palestinian police first greeted Arafat in the self-rule areas, they offered the infamous Nazi salute - the right arm raised straight and upward.
The PLO and notably Arafat himself do not make a secret of their source of inspiration. The Grand Mufti el-Husseini is venerated as a hero by the PLO. It should be noted, that the PLO's top figure in east Jerusalem today, Faisal Husseini, is the grandson to the Führer's Mufti. Arafat also considers the Grand Mufti a respected educator and leader, and in 1985 declared it an honor to follow in his footsteps. Little wonder. In 1951, a close relative of the Mufti named Rahman Abdul Rauf el-Qudwa el-Husseini matriculated to the University of Cairo. The student decided to conceal his true identity and enlisted as "Yasser Arafat."
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Good response Zenster. The conclusion would be that the jihadists don't much care about the left (or the right) in the U.S. other than to do away with as many of us as they can as soon as they can. Good argument for re-electing "W." The Horowitz article did make some good points about the threat of the left's fuzzy headed position to the security of the U.S.
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If the positions of the said chuches was strictly based on christian priciples they would also be screaming at the top of their heads at the situation in Sudan. This is just another in the long line of examples of the in roads that the left has made in the acedemic and religous institutions in the West. Institutions were they have no obligation to their members or the taxpayers for the acdemic intitutions to account for their actions.
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The conclusion would be that the jihadists don't much care about the left (or the right) in the U.S. other than to do away with as many of us as they can as soon as they can.
Which is why we need to return the favor in kind with all possible haste.
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There have been a few posts about Sudan at Rantburg. I don't know too much about Sudan other than the trouble has been going on a long time. Seems like another witches brew of politics. There is an article posted at http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/spla.htm that presents some of the history of Sudan. Don't know how factual the site is--looks O.K.
Sudan is probably worth a post by itself by some industrious person. I know Powell went there and people are beginning to speak of genocide.
Anybody have anything to add to the Sudan situation. Churchs are not going to do anything over there other than get their members killed.
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I always thought the Episcopols made certain there was enough booze at the party.
lol! That was the way it used to be - but no more. Now they busy themselves in PC nuttiness. I'm really sad to see the Presbyterians go the same route - and surprised.
I've stopped putting my money in both of their offering plates.
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Jonathan Winters said that an Episcopalean was a Catholic that flunked his Latin.
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a few? I found out about Darfur here long before the MSM covered it....give me a break...
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Not much said in the MSM other than a lot of hand wringing and the gnashing of teeth about about how bad things are. What are our interests there Frank G?
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Anybody have anything to add to the Sudan situation. Churchs are not going to do anything over there other than get their members killed.
Actually, there were missionaries in southern Sudan as far back as the late 60s, along with a few 'specialists'.
Hamas' representative in Lebanon, Osama Hamdan, said the massacres committed in Gaza were carried out with American consent. "It is obvious that these massacres couldn't have happened without an American political cover or through American pressure on the members of the UN not to condemn the Israeli actions," he told Aljazeera.net "With the US now committing crimes in Iraq and before that in Afghanistan, this reveals that the American mentality and style is similar to the Israeli one. The US can't criticise Israel because it will be criticising itself." John Greshman, co-director of the US-based Foreign Policy in Focus thinktank, attributed US reluctance to be more condemnatory of Israel on the large number of pro-Likud supporters within the Bush administration compared with former administrations "Many of them see Israeli interests and US national security interests as aligned," Greshman said.
Or maybe we just don't care. Or maybe, taking casualties daily in an Iraq "intifadeh," that's the reason we don't care. A dead terr is a dead terr, and live terrs love to surround themselves with non-combatants. We're on to the trick. It only happens so many times before the sympathy's all used up. Having terrs take a school full of kiddies hostage only hastened the process.
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Ah yes. The ever-growing, popular world mantra: "The US did it! The US did it!"
The more I hear it, the less sympathy I have for any of these dinks. Probably time to start ratcheting up our actions worldwide so we truly can live up to their opinion of us.
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Shouldn't have been caught celebrating on 9-11-2001, should you. Payback is a bitch. May your self inflicted hell be long and painful.
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The enemy U.S.-Coalition forces are confronting in Falluja, Samarra & Sadr City is the indentical, destructive, terrorist mindest the IDF confronts today in the Gaza Strip, Nablus & Ramallah.
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I am astounded. We are blamed again. Who gives a flip? Al-Jizem can spare us the self-rightous indignation. We are on to the jihadists and their fellow journalistic (read propaganda) travelers.
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"U.S. Blamed"
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yadda, yadda, yadda.
*Yawn*
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Part of the Palestinian's problem is that blowing themselves up to kill Israeli women and children, doing the insane car swarms where charred corpses are dismembered and passed around, and joyously celebrating the deaths of Americans do not engender a propensity for sympathy among Westerners. Further the outrageously overblown rhetoric and self-parody of Palestinian statements make it hard for we Crusaders to take them seriously. In short, Palestinians have, through conscious effort, made themselves into something that we in the West find hard to consider human. Therefore, they should realize that we are not responsible for anything that happens to them because WE JUST DON'T CARE and as far as most of the West is concernerd they can all just FOAD.
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fine. Israel? Would you like some more JDAMs? If we're gonna get the blame we may as well really earn it :-)
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Another vote for America making all of their propagandist dreams come true. We need to begin exterminating the entire government structures that promote terrorism.
Sudan should see Khartoum's government house blasted to hell while in full session. Syria's leadership should be blown off of the map, as with Iran too. Screw any diplomacy, it's obvious that most Arab nations dispensed with it a long time ago. Our moral reticence regarding indiscriminate slaughter is being turned against us. While we should forebear any outright anti-civilian offensives, neither should we hesitate to begin cooking off the support networks that terrorists enjoy throughout the Middle East.
America needs to put its own face on the determined effort to make any and all terror supporters pay for the least complicity with their very lives.
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Why aren't they thanking us for all their pagan relatives achieving paradise? You know, the spot in Hell right next to a furnace, their 72 virgin pigs and their head shoved up where the sun doesn't shine on Allan five times a day. Isn't this what they wanted? Maybe the problem is they really don't want paradise after all. Perhaps they have some deep-rooted misgivings about their spirituality.
Palestinian officials and leaders have blasted the muted world condemnation of the recent Israeli onslaught in the Gaza Strip. At least 56 Palestinians have been killed, most of them in Gaza, since Israel launched its latest offensive, Operation Days of Reckoning, this week. About 200 tanks and armoured vehicles have been operating in the area since Tuesday. To the dismay of many international observers and the Palestinians the US called on Israel to use only "proportional force" in its ongoing military operations in Gaza.
A statement issued by the Palestinian cabinet on Saturday denounced what it called "world silence in the face of the magnitude of crimes committed". The statement called on the international quartet that drafted a Middle East peace plan last year to intervene immediately to protect the Palestinian people. "I think the American reaction, along with the international reaction, doesn't rise to the crimes committed against our people," Saib Uraiqat, member of the Palestinian Legislative Council, told Aljazeera.net on Saturday. "I believe the lack of proper American and international reaction will be translated by the Israelis to further escalations," he added. Uraiqat blamed the US for the escalation saying: "It is cost- free to blame the Palestinians but it is not cost-free to blame the Israelis. This is the imbalance in the Israeli-Palestinian relationship."
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Only 56? The Israelis are pikers. Next time they are attacked, I hope they walk an artillery barrage from one of Gaza to the other.
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It's nice to know that they're concerned that we're not upset. Perhaps this is the path to a clue.
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Operation Days of Reckoning. This must be 112 eyes for an eye and I don't know how many teeth for a tooth are involved. Too many things to consider such as fluoridation, tooth care, number of Palestinian dentists, etc.
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A statement issued by the Palestinian cabinet on Saturday denounced what it called "world silence in the face of the magnitude of crimes committed".
Gee, for a moment there I thought they were in solidarity with the victims of Darfur.....
Yes, as a matter of fact, world reaction has always been disproportionate regarding the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. How such murderous thugs as the Palestinians ever got so much ink is beyond me. Quite obviously the global community is sick and f&%king tired of the Palestinians' constant wailing as they piss and moan about their foreign-financed houses being knocked down yet another time because they've let them be used once again as a base for terrorist attacks.
While it is gratifying to see Arafat's corruption finally begin to peek through cracks in the smoke and mirrors of terrorist dissembling, he still needs to catch a bullet right away. After so many decades of mayhem and murder, Israel richly deserves the satisfaction of scattering his last lonely brain cell across hell's half acre.
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Well, yes world reaction is disproportionate. The world community should not give these parasites one more penny. The Palestinians should have to make their own way in the world like people everywhere instead of living on charity. If they had to work to eat, they wouldn't have time for this intifada crap.
The Arab League says it will hold an emergency session to discuss the violence in Gaza, which has claimed at least 56 Palestinian lives this week.
An Emergency Meeting, ya say? They sure seem to have a lot of those.
The Palestinian representative to the Arab League, Muhammad Subaih, said permanent delegates would meet in Cairo on Sunday - at the request of his country - to "discuss the savage and continuing Israeli aggression against the Palestinian people in all cities, villages and refugee camps". They will aim to "prepare an urgent Arab political and diplomatic action plan at the international level aimed at stopping the Israeli aggression against the Palestinian people, particularly in the Gaza Strip, and to work toward the dispatch of international protection and peacekeeping forces to the occupied Palestinian territories".
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I bet some emergency memos will be written and emergency communiques will be issued, too.
The Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr has begun laying the groundwork to enter Iraq's nascent democratic process, telling Iraqi leaders that he is planning to disband his militia and possibly field candidates for office. After weeks of watching his militia wither before American military attacks, Mr. Sadr has sent emissaries to some of Iraq's major political parties and religious groups to discuss the possibility of involving himself in the campaign for nationwide elections, according to a senior aide to Mr. Sadr and several Iraqi leaders who have met with him. According to those Iraqis, Mr. Sadr says he intends to disband his militia, the Mahdi Army, and endorse the holding of elections. While Mr. Sadr has made promises to end his armed resistance before, some Iraqi officials believe that he may be serious this time, especially given the toll of attacks on his forces.
In other words, he's running out of army to disband...
Mr. Sadr's aides say his political intentions have been endorsed by Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the country's most powerful Shiite religious leader. He has long tried to tame what he believes is Mr. Sadr's destructive influence on the chances of Iraq's Shiites to win a majority in the elections scheduled for January. In recent weeks, Mr. Sadr's chief aide, Ali Smesim, has met with some of the country's most important political leaders, including members of the Association of Muslim Scholars, the powerful Sunni organization; leaders of the country's Kurdish community; Christians and other Shiite leaders. Mr. Sadr appears to be particularly interested in cultivating disaffected political groups that did not cooperate with the American occupation and which are not now part of the interim Iraqi government.
Trying to put together a disloyal opposition, is he?
Those smaller parties, in turn, are keenly interested in tapping the vast support enjoyed by the 31-year-old cleric among Iraq's poor. "We are ready to enter the democratic process, under certain conditions," Mr. Smesim said in an interview. "We will have a program. And if Moktada comes in, he will be the biggest in Iraq." Mr. Smesim said Mr. Sadr's two major conditions were the involvement of the United Nations, which is already assisting in the elections here, and the absence of any interference from American and British military forces in the electoral process. Mr. Sadr's overtures toward the political mainstream, if they develop into a full-blown commitment, would represent a significant victory for the American-led enterprise here, just a few months before nationwide elections are to be held in January. Mr. Sadr, who commands a vast following among Iraq's poor, has long posed one of the most difficult threats to the efforts to implant a democracy here. Twice before, he has called for armed uprisings against the Americans that took weeks and hundreds of lives to suppress. More than once, he has promised to disband his militia, only to keep fighting.
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I'm thinking the Louisiana Crazed Cueball would dessert Kerry in a nano if he could run Taters operation and stay on/in Crossfire.
We need to strongly consider assuring Moqtada al Sadr's entry into a PINE BOX. Sure, let him "enter politics" so that he gets out into the open where we can give him a bright and shiny brand spanking new third eye.
It bodes particularly ill for Iraq's future that they remain willing to countenance the seditious and highly corrosive sabotage that Sadr has fomented against their fledgling government. Sadr needs to be offed in a clear demonstration of Iraq's intolerance for any theocratic aspirations by majority or minority religious groups alike.
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I don't know. So Sadr turns into Jessie Jackson, scamming the poor out of their money in exchange for promises to help them. I don't like it, but if it brings the poor into the electoral process, rather than raising up arms - it just might work.
This way - they give their last dollar to Sadr - and he tells them that, any day now, he will save them. Sadr keeps them from fighting, and they keep giving Sadr their money. Everyone is happy.
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2b, need I remind you that Sadr led a militia responsible for American deaths? No-f&%king-body does that and gets a free ride. I don't care if one of our own wetwork teams has to drill this turd, Sadr goes down, by the Iraqis or by us. No politics, no more preaching, no more rebellion, just flatline at room temperature.
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whatever happened with that murder arrest warrant they issued against Tater? Oughta have something to do with his good standing in the elections, no?
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so kill him after the election. It's not like I wouldn't like to see him dead. But it's just like drug lords - you kill, another one will pop up in his place to lead the disaffected. Better to spend the next 4 months placating them with raising votes than arms.
I'll meet you half way - let's string him along until after the election - then kill him.
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The only way Tater should be allowed to enter Iraqi politics is headfirst off a minaret.
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...you kill, another one will pop up in his place to lead the disaffected.
2b, please recall that Sadr is in possession of some serious theological credentials. His father was a much beloved and revered Ayatollah. Sadr has been riding on his coattails throughout this murderous campaign.
There are few other young clerics who can claim such a prestigious bloodline. This is the reason for his popularity and sway over the Iraqi Shiites. We need him dead right away. Better that Sadr is (literally) eliminated from the field before the elections so that some truly viable candidates can run for office.
While it is tempting to leave Sadr intact until January in order to siphon off a large portion of the Shi'a votes for him, only to have this sh!thead snuffed whether he wins or not, it is far better to send the message that anyone who sets out to kill American soldiers catches a slug pronto.
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While it is tempting to leave Sadr intact until January in order to siphon off a large portion of the Shi'a votes for him
You said it better than I did myself. Revenge is sweet - but not as sweet as victory. America is big enough and lethal enough we don't have to prove it.
one more saying (cause I can't help myself): Patience is the greater part of valor.
Pakistan needs a democratic government so that it can be at peace with itself and its neighbours, Ms Benazir Bhutto said on Friday. In a message sent to the annual World Sindhi Conference organised by the World Sindhi Institute, the PPP leader who is currently on a lecture tour of the United States, called for fair and free elections in Pakistan under the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan so that the country could once again know tolerance, accommodation, rule of law and constitutional government. She castigated the regime in power whose lack of concern for the people's welfare had left them frustrated, forcing some to resort to self-immolation. There was no safety on the streets of Pakistani cities. It was the suicide bombers who were laying down the national agenda. There was acute water shortage and yet the regime was intent on building big controversial dams.
The theme of the conference was military rule in Pakistan. She regretted that whereas there was no money in the state budget for the poor, there was no shortage of funds when it came to the armed forces. She said the rights of women had received big setbacks and they had gone back by a hundred years. She said the media was not free to report rampant corruption in high places and the corrupt had a free hand to fill their pockets. The National Accountability Bureau, she charged, was an "outfit of coercion." She pointed out that the Bureau had failed to take notice of the various complaints her party had lodged with it. She spoke about Asif Ali Zardari who had been in prison for eight years and although no charge had been proved against him, he was still not free. She said her party had been singled out for punishment. She named workers like Munawar Suhrawarday and Abdullah Murad, whom she called "martyrs", who had been liquidated. She said she was determined to continue her struggle for a better Pakistan because the PPP was wedded to federalism, democracy and egalitarianism.
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I wish Ms. Bhutto was the PM, I know she would have given free reign to the U.S. to come into Pakiland, to destroy the Al Queda. Then again, I don't why we are asking for permission anyway. When 3000 Americans are dead, to hell with the treaties. The northern Pakland villages are in the stoneage anyway. Knocking down the villages that are hiding Al Queda had got to be on "to do" list.
Consolidating his hold on the military, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf on Saturday appointed chief of the country's powerful spy agency ISI General Ahsanul Haq as chairman of the joint chiefs of military staff after promoting him to the rank of four-star general. He also promoted Karachi corps commander Ahsan Saleem Hayat, who escaped an assassination attempt by militants in June, and appointed him as vice chief of army. While General Haq will be replacing General Muhammad Aziz Khan, General Hayat will be taking over from General Yousaf Khan, who is also retiring. The appointments by Musharraf, who has given strong and open hints in the recent weeks to continue in uniform, were seen as key to retain his hold on the army if he were to continue as president and chief of army till 2007.
The appointments were seen as a first phase of a major exercise of reshuffle of top commanders by Musharraf to prepare the army for a 'paradigm shift' in thinking and orientation to fit into the modern, progressive and welfare Islamic state he envisaged. A major reshuffle of corps commanders was expected to follow in the coming days. Significantly, Musharraf has recently said he would await the retirement of the Gen Aziz and Gen Yousaf before announcing his decision whether to continue as chief of army or not. The retirement of Gen Aziz without extension was seen as significant as he had played a key role as corps commander in the 1999 Kargil conflict, which ended up in a major debacle for Pakistan. Hailing from Pakistan occupied Kashmir (POK), Gen Aziz was known for his strong views against India. Both the retiring generals were appointed by Musharraf to their posts hours before the US military action in Afghanistan, weeks after the 9/11 attacks in 2001, which prompted Pakistan to reverse its pro-Taliban policy. The two superceded the then ISI Chief Gen Mahmood and Deputy Chief of Army Staff Gen Usmani, considered as
pro-Taliban Generals, who resigned in protest. Haq has superseded at least seven Lt Generals, while Gen Hayat is listed as number four in the army's seniority hierarchy. The superseded generals whose retirement was almost due was expected to quit to pave the way for a major reshuffle in the top echelons of the army. Pakistan's 500,000 strong army has around 12 Lt Generals, eight of which were listed as corps commanders, heading some of important divisions of the army.
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During the course of the military operation in the northern Gaza Strip, the Israel Defense Forces is taking pains to ensure that its soldiers do not get drawn deep into the built-up area of Jabalya's large refugee camp. Using precise fire and its intelligence supremacy, the IDF is striving to increase the number of fatalities among the Hamas men, more than 40 of whom have been killed until now. The number of civilian fatalities is estimated at around 10.
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In this country, the ATF has been taking a lively interest in model rocketry, much to the annoyance of hobbyists. Things like the Qassam rocket are the reason. Apparently, Paleo propagandists and the Streettm take considerable pride in their ability to make such an "advanced" weapon in clandestine workshops. Here in the States, it would not take such a network to manufacture much better rocket weapons than the Qassam. It might be best not to discuss exactly what it would take but, annoying or not, the ATF's interest is probably well-founded. Some so-called model rockets are "models" only relative to ICBMs and space boosters. Some of them reasonably qualify as ballistic missiles, with quite sophisticated guidance and control and very high performance.
Rocketry is not the only source for the home-made missile threat. As we have already discussed here at Rantburg, it is now feasible for vigilantes or terrorists to build home-made cruise missiles with trans-Atlantic range, precision guidance, and God knows what other over-the-counter capability.
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There was a Discovery Channel special a couple weeks back that covered a model rocketry show where some of the 'models' were over thirty feet tall and capable of altitudes in the 10K range, with some pretty amazing homebuilt solid-fuel engines. I can see why they'd be worried.
Mike
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I saw the same program Mike, oh yeah the little Estes rockets of my childhood have come a long way.
I also imagine that you could create quite a bit of mischief with modern remote control planes as well.
Sorry hobby dudes but it's a brave new world don't ya know. :/
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Yes, it is a brave new world. We can't have the people being armed with weapons that might threaten the power of the supreme, omniscient and almighty state on which we depend for everything.
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Having been involved in the design of some of this country's most advanced weapons systems, such as anti-missile interceptors, and also having been an avid builder of model rockets and airplanes, I often speculate on how hard it would be for terrorists to build more advanced weaponry. So far I see no sign of the Paleos or other terrorist groups reaching the level of sophistication that American hobbyists and amateurs have. The Paleos have obviously become pretty expert at building solid fuel rocket engines, but that is not a hard thing to master. They seem to be happy with the unguided Qassam, since their goal is just to hit anything within the radius of a town. The most likely path of evolution for this weapon is simple scaling up to hit towns farther inside Israel. But there is a limit to how far they can scale up without making concealment more difficult. As for guided missiles, I think it is much more likely that they would import these from some country like Iran.
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Which should equal another 200 orchards uprooted, miles of road plowed up or houses leveled. These rockets lack guidance and are therefore anti-civilian by nature. That Israel does not widen their retaliation to include the Palestinian population in general is a mark of their incredible and admirable restraint.
This penetration also allows it to take control of "dead areas," from which the Qassam cells would launch the rockets and then flee.
If I didn't loathe such a detestable technology, I'd say that Israel should go ahead and sow these "dead areas" with landmines. Instead, these dead areas should become "dead zones." Notice should be posted at these areas that drones carrying machine guns patrol the strips and will kill any who enter them. If they happen to be farm land, tough sh!t. The farmers will have to enforce against trespassing upon their land or be denied its use.
If the entire infrastructure isnât toppled, itâs only a matter of time before Hamas manages to increase the range of the Qassam rockets and then be able to fire them from deeper inside the Gaza Strip.
If Israel is unwilling to enter that deep into Gaza, they should patrol the urban launch sites with drones to pinpoint departure locations and then go in and level them with helicopter launched missiles.
Hamas needs to have its reputation directly linked to massive suffering by the Palestinian people. Continued admiration of this terrorist organization should come at a stiff price. It is to Israel's lasting credit that they have not reached their limit and begun massive retaliation against civilian areas. So much of the Palestinian population openly advocates Hamas' terror tactics that they are essentially accomplices to the mayhem being wrought. The price they have had to pay for this evil is minuscule. So much of their suffering is a direct result of their own misdeeds and corrupt leadership. That the world continues to blame Israel for the internally imposed decay that blights the Palestinians signals just how anti-Semitic much of this planet remains.
Wordnetdaily (WND) reports today, in an article written by Aaron Klein, that the post-Saddam Baathist leadership, which is controlling the Sunni insurgency in central Iraq is maintaining the close links Saddam forged with Palestinian terrorist groups. These include continuing the funding to families of dead terrorists begun by Saddam. Intelligence officials believe that these may have extended to include operational coordination with the Damascus headquarters of various Palestinian terrorist movements, including Hamas. The existence and scope of these links recently came to light following the capture of an important document by US forces in Iraq. US military sources allowed WND to obtain the document.
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Well Bryan, Saddam is going to be tried by Iraqi's in an Iraqi court, I doubt anything to do with Israel will find it's way onto their list of priorities but then you never know.
Assuming this story is true it just serves to point out what I've felt for years, the Palestinian's are led by terrorists and have been for decades. Anyone who can't see that is either a joooooo hater or a freaking knucklehead!
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Yes, but I can't help thinking about that handshake between Allawi and Shalom. Allawi looks like he has it in him to gradually start to establish relations with Israel.
Besides, I read somewhere that Saddam's invasion of Kuwait is going to feature at his trial. If this is indeed the case, then maybe it's not that far-fetched to see him hauled over the coals re terror against Israel.
The risk in Iraq is not of civil war but that the country will end up under the control of extremists who "run around chopping off people's heads," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in remarks broadcast on Saturday. Rumsfeld, in an interview with Fox News Channel, said he had not expected that the anti-U.S. resistance in Iraq would be as intense as it is and predicted the level of violence would remain high at least until the election scheduled for January. He said the United States would not necessarily wait until Iraq was "perfectly peaceful" before withdrawing its forces, but could do so once an Iraqi government had "developed the ability to manage their situation from a security standpoint."
Asked about recent U.S. intelligence estimates warning of possible civil war in Iraq, Rumsfeld said: "No one sees any sign of civil war in that country at the present time ... The risk is that the terrorists, and the extremists, and the people who are running around chopping off people's heads and killing innocent men, women and children will take over that country. "Imagine a country ruled by people who go around chopping off people's heads. That's a dark future." Asked if had anticipated the insurgency would be as bad as it is, Rumsfeld replied: "No. Because no one has a perfect view into the future."
He said that in the last month or two U.S.-led forces seeking to achieve more stability ahead of the election had "probably" killed 1,500 Iraqi insurgents and "a reasonable fraction of Zarqawi's senior people." Asked why U.S. forces had not been able to find Zarqawi, Rumsfeld said it was "like finding a needle in a haystack." "It's very hard to do. The United States military wasn't organized, trained and equipped to go out and do manhunts. That's an FBI job."
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An Egyptian legislative body blocked the establishment of Egypt's first Islamic-oriented political party on Saturday, the third time lawmakers refused to recognize the group.
Proving that Hosni still has common sense and a knack for survival.
The committee in charge of legalizing new political parties refused to allow the establishment of Hizb al-Wasat al-Gedid, the New Centralist Party, a government official said on condition of anonymity. The Political Parties Affairs Committee gave no reason for its decision, but during previous applications the government has said the party was comprised of loons and islamonuts a front for the banned Muslim Brotherhood.
Usually the committee rejects the formation of parties it feels add no new ideas to the political arena. Members of the group said that argument doesn't apply to them. "The Committee knows that we are a very special political party because we are presenting the first party with an Islamic agenda," said member Tharwat al-Kharabawi, a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood. "Islamic civilization is our reference," he added. "How is that not new?"
Sounds like the same old load of BS to me...
Maybe 'cause they're all supposed to be Islamic in the first place?
Al-Kharabawi said he was surprised by the decision because "the talk about reforms and the regime's readiness to open doors to the political parties all made us believe a real change is taking place, but that all turned out to be a big lie." He said the group will appeal the decision.
It was the third time the committee rejected the creation of the party. In 1996, when the group first applied for party status, the government arrested three of its founders and charged them in a military court with using Hizb al-Wasat as a cover for the banned Muslim Brotherhood. The men were released after three months of painful interrogation. In 1998, the committee again refused the group's request without giving a reason.
"Youse guys are nuts! Git!"
The Committee on Saturday also refused to recognize Hizb al-Karama, or Dignity Party, which espouses a pan-Arabist philosophy.
"That died with Nasser! Git!"
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No more surprising than the US banning the Communist Party.
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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat called on the international community on Saturday to act immediately to put a stop to the "criminal and racist" Israeli military campaign underway in the Gaza Strip. "I call on the entire world to act immediately and rapidly to stop the criminal and racist" attack launched by the Israeli army on the northern Gaza Strip, Arafat told journalists outside his headquarters here after an emergency cabinet session. "This is a savage, criminal and inhumane attack on our people," Arafat said.
These are the same people who boom buses, right? Hmmm... I seem to have left my sympathy meter in my other pants...
Without saying what time frame he was referring to, Arafat claimed that 63 "martyrs" had lost their lives and another 170 people been wounded, "without counting the martyrs killed by the Israelis who do not want to return their bodies." He accused the Israelis of "using inhumane and illegal weapons, such as fragmentation bombs." At the same time, he denied that any of the rockets fired at Israel had caused any casualties, disputing a claim by Israel that one had killed two children Wednesday night in the southern Israeli town of Sderot. "These rockets the Israelis are talking about have not killed anyone ... and only make noise," he said.
Then why do the Paleos fire them? They think it's the 4th of July?
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It says a lot about the Paleos that they have tolerated the 'leadership' of that little AraRAT for so many years.
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No one cares about you Paleostinian bums and no one notices. The real action is in Iraq. That's where the real rough tough Mohammedan mofos are. I detect a lot of jealousy and whining by Arafat and crew.
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how about Suha going on a hunger strike to draw attention to this barbarism...no? ok, then...we still don't care
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YassirFat dribbles once again.
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Arafat calls on world to end Israeli campaign in Gaza
Only when the world calls upon Arafat to end his decades of murderous terrorism can they then take the liberty of dropping by next door to call upon Israel to halt their highly effective and totally justified campaign of eliminating the Palestinian psychotics themselves.
âThese rockets the Israelis are talking about have not killed anyone ... and only make noise,â he said.
Arafat has been using this sort of disingenuous bullsh!t forever years as a smoke screen to cover the evil being done in his name. Israel has every right to go in and blow away those who launch these attacks. These rockets are weapons being directed against Israeli citizens and that gives their military the right of response.
I hope Israel crushes the intifada into atoms complete disarray before they abandon the occupied terrortories. I'm looking forward to Israel installing perimeter radar that can triangulate upon launch sites.
If it's from an orchard, uproot it and salt the soil.
If it's from an open stretch of road, plow it for a mile in all directions.
If it's from a house level it and ones next door as well.
Somehow, the Palestinians need to learn that if they're going to act like animals they will be treated no better than animals. And merely saying that is an unfair slap to animals.
Old saying:
The opposite of the human is not the animal.
The opposite of the human is the demonic.
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"without counting the martyrs killed by the Israelis who do not want to return their bodies."
Yeah -- if those damned ol' Israelis would just stay in their bodies, it would be a lot harder for them to kill martyrs ... er, wait, didn't they have to be dead first, I mean, to be martyrs and all???
The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) set up a protest camp near Egerton Road chowk on Saturday to condemn military operations in the tribal areas. The protestors were carrying placards and banners and chanting slogans against the government. They were of the view that military operations in Balochistan and FATA were against the solidarity of Pakistan. Haji Muhammad Hanif, the president of PML-N Lahore, members of the Punjab Assembly, Mujtaba Shujaur Rehman, Dr Asad Ashraf and Afzal Khokhar and Aysha Javaid, the secretary general of the women's wing, participated in the protest. They urged President General Pervez Musharraf to shed his uniform and demanded fresh presidential elections. Condemning the Sialkot bomb blast, the PML-N leaders demanded that the culprits be arrested and punished.
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A protest camp? Good get tham all in one place and drop a 2000 lb gravity bomb on it.
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The PML-Nawaz aren't Jihadis, they are the followers of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif who was overthrown in a military coup by Musharraf in 1999. They are only a shell of their former selves after most of the Pakistan Muslims Leagues politicians, members and supporters defected to a pro Musharraf PML faction set up before the last elections.
Now they are trying to latch on to anything that could get them some of their support base back
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The United States and its allies have crippled the economy of the Muslim countries by taking over their resources and the only way to recover from its crippling impacts is to wage jihad, said Senator Khursheed, naib amir of the Jamaat-e-Islami at the three-day JI international annual congregation at Azakhel.
"Yeah! Them westerners just come in and take what they want, and don't pay for nothin'!"
He said that the Almighty had directed Muslims to increase their power which included economic strength. "We have given up jihad and have accepted the western hegemony which has enslaved us," said the JI senator.
Warriors don't engage in commerce. They make their money looting people who have jobs...
He said that western multi nationals had occupied 87 percent of the resources of the Muslim world in the name of social uplifting through institutions like the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). He said that these institutions had deployed their puppets as rulers in the Muslim countries. He said that Britain had been indebted to India before 1945 but the scenario had been later reversed. He added that the third world especially of the Muslim world, were being controlled under guise of debt manoeuvring. He said this has resulted in the accumulation of debt against the Muslim world to $150 billion.
The fact that it's debt implies that money was loaned for a purpose, to whit, investment. Since the money was raked off by corrupt pols instead of being invested, you've still got the debt and nothing to show for it. That's your problem, not ours. Pay up and shut up.
Don't worry, a bleeding heart do-gooder will be along any moment to demand that we forgive these loans ...
He said that the free market economy and globalisation were basically the means of an economic war against the Muslim world. He added that while 500 multi nationals controlled the world's economy, 1.5 billion people had slipped below the poverty line. The only way to salvation for the Muslim world was through self-reliance, he said. He added that the West's strategic superiority was frivolous and that there was no need to be impressed by their economic and military might. He added that in Iraq, the US despite its armed might, had failed to control the barehanded innocent Iraqi people. He said that western financial institutions had taken over $130 billion worth of liquidity, which could not be utilised for the development of the Muslim world. He urged the Muslim world to develop professional human resources to counter the challenge posed by the colonial powers.
This is what passes for "thought" in the Muslim world.
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For me the jury's still out on this "Arab Democracy Initiative" thingie, at least in Iraq; we may indeed succeed there despite the present difficulties.
But I've become VERY discouraged about the potential of the rest of Islamic society for meaningful reform: I really doubt they've got it in them.
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dumb as a door naib
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But of course Jihad will help the economies of Islamic countries.After all that money from tribute,slavery,kidnap for ransom,dhimmi taxes,extortion,etc can't help but improve thier economies.
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Raptor,
Here is a candid Interview with Nawabzadaa Nabiullah Khan, who I think is a deputy of Qazi Hussain Ahmed head of Jamaat-e-Islami (JI, sounds familiar) the largest Islamic party in Pakistan. The interview was done in 1999, before they figured out it is better to keep their mouth closed in the presence of the infidel on the other side of the world. It has all the items you listed and more.
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Jihad can boost Ummahâs economy, says JI senator
He is absolutely correct. Should any sort of terrorist activity that Senator Khursheed is advocating come to pass, the entire region may find itself enriched by a liberal sprinkling of fallout from extremely expensive plutonium metal.
He added that the Westâs strategic superiority was frivolous and that there was no need to be impressed by their economic and military might.
This sort of dismissive attitude needs to be corrected by force. Shitheads like this require extensive parking lot therapy to relieve them of such dire misapprehensions.
The west is conspiring to destroy the very basis of Muslim family unit in the name of women's liberation and gender equality in order to weaken and degenerate our society, warned Qazi Hussain Ahmad, Ameer Jamaat-e-Islami, on Saturday. Qazi said that the womens' liberation was being promoted only by those trying to subjugate the basic values of decency. "It is the distinction of the Jamaat-e-Islami that women are participating in such an event to fullfil their religious and political duty by observing all Islamic principles," he said.
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Army operations in Balochistan and Wana are trying to create a war-like situation but the Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) will foil all such conspiracies, said JI General Secretary Syed Munawar Hassaan. "We did not react emotionally but tried to face the situation with patience and endurance," he said, while speaking at the party's world congregation at Azakhel Park on Saturday. He said that they did not want to create public resentment against the army to benefit the country's enemies.
He said that after 9/11, a crusade-like war had been launched against Afghanistan and the religious parties had staged marches at various cities to condemn the brutalities perpetrated against the innocent Afghan people. "We condemn the US invasion of Iraq and will continue opposing the imperialists' subjugation of Muslim territories," he said. He said the JI was the only party that had resisted the rulers whenever they had acted against the national interest. Mr Hassan said when Gen Musharraf had humiliated the "hero of the country's nuclear programme, Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan, at the behest the US," the JI had stopped the government from taking any extreme action against him.
He said the JI fully supported the struggle of independence of the Kashmiris and the Palestinians. He said the allegations of cross border terrorism were baseless as the struggle was genuine as indicated by the 90,000 people who had been martyred and the thousands of women who had been raped. "Now as the Indian government claims a decline in the cross border terrorism, the struggle still continues," he said. "Every drop of our blood is for the people of Kashmir and Palestine," he said. Mr Hassan said JI had not changed its stance on Israel, but the government was indicating that they would recognise the Zionist country. He said that whenever people revolted against dictators, they had succeeded. He compared the JI congregation held in Islamabad in 2000 and the present one and said that the party's membership had increased. He said the JI women's wing had done a tremendous job by distributing more than 200,000 books free of cost and another 350,000 at reduced prices among women.
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"It is time, 14 years after the end of hostilities and four years after the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, for all parties concerned to set aside the remaining vestiges of the past," Annan said Friday in a report to the Security Council. "The withdrawal of foreign forces and the disbandment and disarmament of militias would, with finality, end that sad chapter of Lebanese history," he said. On Sept 2, the deeply divided council narrowly adopted a resolution introduced by the United States and France calling for the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Lebanon and the disbanding of militias. It asked Annan to report on compliance in 30 days. Asked later by reporters if, in the report, he is pushing for a Syrian troop withdrawal, Annan said the resolution "speaks quite clearly on that." 
Israeli leader Ariel Sharon has vowed to widen an offensive into Gaza which has killed 55 Palestinians until militants stop firing rockets that have fuelled criticism of his plan to quit the occupied strip. Defying one of the biggest and bloodiest raids in four years of conflict, militants fired another rocket into Israel on Sunday. Israel killed them with a missile as they tried to leave the launch site with a donkey cart.
