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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Indy Media Meltdown.. Or just a Soap Opera?
Read about this from LGF. Funny stuff.
It is with much sadness and urgency that we inform the greater indymedia community about the ongoing crisis within the San Francisco Bay Area IMC.
But it is with great joy I report this, for the entertainment purposes.
Open Letter to the Global Indymedia Network from SF Bay Area IMC

Previously, we had attempted to resolve internal conflicts among group members by engaging in formal mediation, which ultimately resulted in an official split of the group into two and a list of specific actions upon which each side agreed. This letter is being sent out only after these agreements have not been respected by the new SF IMC collective that has split from us.

As many of you know, the SF Bay Area IMC had been using both
sf.indymedia.org and indybay.org since its inception. The SF Bay Area IMC website had been hosted on a linefeed.org server which was operated by the tech members of our collective.

Conflict

Our IMC has now split into two groups. When a few of the tech members began to have personal problems with other members of the collective, these tech members demanded a split of the collective. The resulting dynamics within the group continued to worsen. It created an environment that made it difficult to continue working together and also discouraged potential new people from joining the collective.
Maybe the whole purpose of your sites are keeping people away?

While most members of the collective opposed any kind of split, the aforementioned tech members insisted that they would split anyway, because they wanted to and because they could.

The tech members who wanted the split also had convinced the rest of the group to agree to move the site to the linefeed.org server. They claimed that this was merely a technical issue which would enable the site to run faster.
Sounds reasonable to me.

The members of the splitting group also began making viscious and false accusations about other members of the collective. This even went as far as accusing some members of being security risks and/or police informants.
Pick one. Security risk or police informant. You can’t be both.

The splitting group began to take control of the linefeed.org server that the SF Bay Area IMC website had been hosted on by kicking off all other IMC members from access to it. At the same time, they also cut off access to other local activist websites (such as the Food Not Bombs News website, liberationradio.net and passionbomb.com) that were being hosted on their linefeed.org server. These other websites were affiliated, to greater or lesser degrees, with members of SF Bay Area IMC with whom the splitting group members were in conflict.
There is a new (actually rather old) thing out called mirroring. Ever hear of it? Aaron over at Internet Haganah went from no mirror to 14 inside of three weeks and has never looked back since.

When it was clear that this internal conflict had reached a stalemate, a neutral professional mediator was hired to conduct a series of mediation meetings.
Right, true to their views, they bring in the lawyers.

The continuation of the internal crisis was effectively preventing the group from doing their work and was discouraging new people from wanting to join the group. Most collective members were fed up with having to deal with this conflict. As a result, during the mediation process, the rest of the group reluctantly agreed to split the group and further conceded to the splitting group’s demand to give up the sf.indymedia.org domain to them. Also part of the mediation agreement, the rest of the group was to keep indybay.org (which at the time still pointed to sf.indymedia.org) and also to create a new domain of
sfbay.indymedia.org. This new domain was to be used along with indybay.org once indybay.org was handed over from the splitting group.

The mediation agreement was officially finalized on November 13th, 2003. Since that time, members of the new sf.indymedia group have backtracked on their agreement in multiple ways. The indybay.org DNS was supposed to have been handed over by the Monday following the final mediation meeting, November 17th. But this did not occur until over a month later, in mid-December. And although this "handing over" has resulted in indybay.org now pointing to the correct site, they continue to refuse to hand over the indybay.org domain ownership, which they still control. Also, immediately after the mediation, they locked out the group that was now sfbay.indymedia.org (indybay.org) from access to sf.indymedia.org. In combination, these actions left the rest of the group without a website for over a month.
Damn them! Nothing to laugh at for a whole month!

During this period, the new sf.indymedia group has been hiding posts of news stories to the sf.indymedia.org newswire (such as an announcement about a live streaming coverage of the recent mayoral election by Enemy Combatant Radio) made by members of the indybay.org group, effectively censoring the indybay.org group.
What goes around comes around, I guess.

The new sf.indymedia group has also refused to place on their website a link with an explanation about the split, as both groups agreed to do as part of the mediation agreement. Nevertheless, the indybay.org group put up the explanation and link immediately after the site was up, after the DNS switch. Also, members of the new sf.indymedia group have been engaging in tactics of doublespeak by accusing members of indybay.org of precisely the kinds of acts that they themselves have been responsible for, such as lying, manipulating, and threatening.
Betcha both sides in fact have been doing this.

In sf.indymedia.org’s recent application for status as a new imc that they submitted to the New IMC Working Group, they stated that their "supporting groups were too numerous to mention." While we didn’t speak up then, since we had agreed in good faith during mediation not to stop their new IMC process, we now feel, in light of their actions, that they should be asked why they failed to list those groups and to show who really aligns with them. As far as we know, local activists and groups and members of other IMCs who are finding out about the split do not support them nor their actions.
Uh oh. They are really talking about splitting activist alliances. Like splitting garbage.

List of violations of the mediation agreement by the new
sf.indymedia.org group:

1. The sf.indymedia.org group has refused to put up a blurb and links about the split as agreed to during mediation.

2. idymedia.org group failed to switch the DNS for indybay.org until over a month after the mediation agreement.
Moot

3. Before the indybay.org DNS was eventually switched over, a member of sf.indymedia.org pointed indybay.org to a non-existent IP address, causing many people to stop using indybay.org.

3. Immediately after the mediation was over, a member of sf.indymedia.org withdrew half of the money from the imc checking account, and then refused to negotiate the price for stickers and t-shirts advertising the sf.indymedia.org web site address. According to the agreement, the groups would split the money in the bank account after sfbay was reimbursed for the mutually agreed upon price for the stickers and t-shirts, and sf.indymedia was reimbursed for pieces of equipment that sfbay wanted to purchase.
Soo, who splits the crack you all use?

4. The sf.indymedia.org group has deleted the SF-IMC email list and the Enemy Combatant Radio (ECR) email list without warning, before anyone had the chance to back up three and a half years of work and contacts contained in the lists’ archives.
Holy Hell. No backups? ARe you kidding me. In the heart of high tech America, no one thinks to make backups?

5. The sf.indymedia.org group has gone against the agreement by
redirecting aliases to their new email addresses.

List of actions by the new sf.indymedia.org group that violates the indymedia Principles of Unity

1. Members of the linefeed.org server (which now hosts
sf.indymedia.org, other IMCs and activist websites) have sabotaged local activist websites hosted by them that were connected to indybay.org.

2. The sf.indymedia.org group has been repeatedly hiding and deleting legitimate posts to their newswire by local activists whom they see as being connected to indybay.org.
WHat goes around comes around.

The end result of all of this is that techies with positions of power, and a personal vendetta within an IMC collective, have effectively hijacked complete control of the website from the rest of the collective.
Remember that word, hijack, socialists.

We believe that the behaviors displayed by the members of the new sf.indymedia group/linefeed.org are offensive and unacceptable, and that they have abused their powers as tech people within the IMC network to manipulate and bully others to get their way.

Proposed Resolution

We, the undersigned, request the following from the global tech working group and other IMCs in the network:

1. The ownership of the indybay.org domain should be handed over to the current members of indybay.org immediately, and

2. sf.indymedia.org should immediately put up texts and links about the split on their website as they should have already done as part of the agreement.

If both of the above requests are not met immediately, then we ask that:

1. The new sf.indymedia.org’s status as an IMC should be revoked, and

2. The current members of the new sf.indymedia.org should be denied access and control to the sf.indymedia.org domain, and

3. in the event that the new sf.indymedia.org group should lose control of their domain, that it be handed over to the current members of indybay.org instead of being destroyed, since it is an established community resource, and

4. the money that paid for the mediation should be refunded to the current members of indybay.org.

We also request that all IMC websites update their links to the San Francisco Bay Area as http://www.indybay.org.

We are hereby challenging the legitimacy of the new sf.indymedia.org group for violating its own Principles of Unity by their abusive and intimidating behaviors.
Right, they reserve that behavior for conservatives

We want to stress that we believe this is an urgent, critical matter that is in the interest of the entire Indymedia network. What has happened here with the SF Bay Area IMC seems to be quite unprecedented within the history of the IMC Network, and we hope that we can depend on the support from all IMCers to help resolve this conflict and maintain accountability within the indymedia network.
Actually I believe that this will happen to all groups who subscribe to socilaist ideology. You all are just the first.

In solidarity,

Sarah Olsen - San Francisco Bay Area IMC, SF Liberation Radio
Lisa Sousa - San Francisco Bay Area IMC, AK Press
Mark Burdett - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Pauline - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Sunny - Enemy Combatant Radio, San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Zachary Ogren - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Wayne Wong - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Peter Maiden - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Karen Martin - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Jino Choi - Revolutionary Anti-authoritarians of Color, SF Bay Area IMC
A. Mark Liiv - Whispered Media
Ali
Dan Mattson - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Pod - Enemy Combatant Radio, Whispered Media
Kevin Keating
Matt Fitt - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Jeff Taylor - Whispered Media
Lani Riccobuono - Enemy Combatant Radio, San Francisco Bay Area IMC
Lauren A. - San Francisco Bay Area IMC
The San Francisco Bay Area Independent Media Center collective can be contacted at sfbay at indymedia.org.
They can be laughed at here, at LGF, and at many other fine sites...
Posted by: badanov || 01/10/2004 12:44:22 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Couldn't have happened to a nicer group of people ... ;)
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/10/2004 13:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Mr Burns: Hows the takeover of IndyMedia going Smithers?
Smithers: Well, the Chinese site were all arrested and imprisoned. The Seattle site has collapsed faster than the Seahawks. And half the San Francisco site has become Libertarians.
Mr Burns: And the other half?
Smithers: Joined the Dean Campaign.
Mr Burns: Excellent...


Posted by: Charles || 01/10/2004 13:19 Comments || Top||

#3  Jeez, what a bunch of drama queens. Other than the score or so morons who signed this missive "in solidarity", does anyone really give a sh*t?
I guess it's just a matter of time before one of them grabs power and starts sticking icepicks in their enemies' ears.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 01/10/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#4  And yet they think they could run their world...
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/10/2004 13:53 Comments || Top||

#5  Every time I see a list of people holding moronic views in the Bay Area, I cringe lest I find a friend on it. When I worked there, I exchanged only the most tepid of political views with my coworkers. So I don't know if any of my friends were outright political loons. I suppose if they were, they wouldn't have been able to keep from showing it.

Another bullet dodged---no one I know is on the list.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 01/10/2004 14:30 Comments || Top||

#6  When a few of the tech members began to have personal problems with other members of the collective

Never happen here. Rantburg is run by Tyrant and enforced by the AOS, backedup by a meritocracy.

In short, Hive Bad, Steve Good.

Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#7  Jeez... it's like watching Stalinists and Trotskyites battling it out. Or obscure Chinese factions scrambling for control during the Cultural Revolution.

When it comes to a zest for internecine bloodletting, nothing can match a group of ardent Leftists. If they could do it, half of them would put the other half in concentration camps.
Posted by: Dave D. || 01/10/2004 14:40 Comments || Top||

#8  When a few of the tech members began to have personal problems with other members of the collective

Could it be that the engineers and programmers, whose job requires a functionning brain, no longer could stand the leftist jihadis?
Posted by: JFM || 01/10/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#9  JFM,you noticed the same thing I did.The split was not between two ideological factions,but between those who talk and those who actually do the work.The arrogant attitude of the talkers could be enough to drive "tech members" off,even if everyone agrees on politics.
Wonder if informer charge was a couple of angry members telling police of "tech members" hacking activities-anon of course.
Posted by: Stephen || 01/10/2004 15:40 Comments || Top||

#10  Entertaining to watch.

Face it. Man is not wired to be part of a 'collective'. All such attempts to force him into
that type of mold is doomed to fail.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/10/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#11  That would explain Vandenburg's earlier report today of a giant alien Mother Ship hovering over San Francisco Bay looking for its errant, squabbling Solcialist children!
Posted by: Jack Deth || 01/10/2004 20:21 Comments || Top||

#12  "has been hiding posts of news stories ...effectively censoring the indybay.org group."

Whaaat!? I thought it wasn't censoring to hide posts? Or at least thats what they always tell anybody who asks why their more centrist stories get "hidden".

As to the heart of the matter, I used to run a MUD (ok, ok, I'm a geek from before IE, UO and EQ). Well, I was the programmer for the MUD, and there was a non-technical person who "ran" the mud who had a completely different vision of what the place needed to be. Strangely, I got tired of working my butt off and having no say in the "direction", so I took the MUD with me to a new server where I called the shots. And, well, he got all bent out of shape about it, just like the "non tech" members in this situation did, down to threats of lawsuits, etc.
The non-tech person who "ran" the MUD was, not suprisingly, from San Francisco.

Guess the moral of the story is: if you don't own the equipment, don't do any work, and really don't contribute to the wellbeing of an endeavor, you can't rule like a tyrant without the risk maybe discovering you just don't have the power you think you do. Oh yeah, and communism sucks. ;)
Posted by: RussSchultz || 01/10/2004 21:48 Comments || Top||

#13  At 9:22PM, MST, LGF is reporting that Arizona Indymedia is down, Israel Indymedia is down, and "Palestine" Indymedia is down. Maybe it's a virus, and all the Indymedia sites are catching it? Wonder if it's fatal...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 01/10/2004 23:15 Comments || Top||


Ask Mufti Sorge
One of the earliest entries in my weblog was The Mufti Cracks me up, a post poking fun at the fatwas of one Mufti Ebrahim Dasai. Recently, however, a rather confused Muslim (or a very good pranker!), left the following message in the entry:

"Salam Ali Kum Mufti

How r u hope thinks r fine with u Mufti Saab i would like to know some thing which happend with me need your help in these case

i have married on 10-03-2002 after my married i have not done jama with my wife because she don’t let me do and she ran from my house she is British citizen now she is asking divorce from me but i don’t want to give her because she hurt many ppl eg my dad got heart attack my mom health is weak any many even in her family members too well till today 01-01-2004 she is not in contact with me any more but i like to married anther girl .. i can wed .. but what is punishment for my first wife and i will not give her divorce i decided untill she send me legal document from solisiter from British court ...
Now u tell me what to do ... is my decision right she is not at her father house she call British commision and hand over himself ...

i hope my decision is right i am not a big scholar but i hope for my decision

Awaiting for ur reply

Salam Alikkum"


For the purpose of this entry, I’ll assume that’s a genuinely worried Muslim looking for counsel, or a genuine letter to the Mufti which was here repeated (I think it’s the former) . Thus, as part of my ongoing effort to destroy Islam improve Muslim-Kuffir relations, I’ll put my Mufti cap and answer his concern....

God be with you... (sorry, that was the priestly robe)... Allah Akbhar;

First, I’m worried about you. I mean, the girl didn’t let you Jam-a her, not even once? It might be, Allah be praised, you might need improving your Jam-a-ing equipment, if you know what I mean. Don’t come crying if your next wife also runs away.

About punishing her... well, I’d be worried about doing anything to her, even if Allah doesn’t mind. I mean, those British Kuffirs have been a little angry lately, following the advice of the "Kuffir Kingdom of the West" (the country whose name shall not be named.) Listen Mohammed, we must cut down on our righteous killings, or else British, or even West Kingdom Kuffirs like my evil twin "Atheist Sorge" will get really mad and set up their twisted Martyrdom program. (Their twisted minds! They think of "helping" our Martyrdom programs, but unlike ours, they would want to promote Martyrdom among the Leaders of our glorious religion.) Atheist Sorge is so mad at you right now he wants to put a bullet on your head, AND in your father’s and mother’s as well.

So, Mohammed, please be careful. We don’t want those dreadful West Kingdom Crusaders destroying our gloriuos religion. It seems only Allah himself could stop them, but the one glorious God is apparently following other pursuits, judging by the result of the last two West Kingdom Crusades. So, I can’t say this enough, don’t touch that girl, (not that you miss touching her!) Our future might depend on it.

Mufti Sorge Al-Skullcracker
Posted by: Sorge || 01/10/2004 9:58:42 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Phony lotto claimant charged
Elecia Battle, who admitted yesterday that she lied about losing that $162 million lottery ticket, was charged today with filing a false police report. On January 2, Battle told police in South Euclid, Ohio that she had somehow lost the Mega Millions ticket shortly after buying the ticket at a local Quick Shop. If convicted of the misdemeanor count, Battle, 40, faces a maximum of up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.
Bwahaha.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/10/2004 1:00:22 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  nice....Battle's not even her real name. Sounds like a future ROP convert - already a Paki in style if nothing else
Posted by: Frank G || 01/10/2004 3:17 Comments || Top||

#2  I think I'll join Steve on this one. Bwahahaha!
Posted by: Charles || 01/10/2004 7:28 Comments || Top||

#3  That's not funny Frank... that's just plain mean.... LOL.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 9:09 Comments || Top||

#4  me too. Bwahahaha!
Posted by: Ptah || 01/10/2004 9:19 Comments || Top||

#5  ..having grown up on the south side of Cleveland, please rest assured that I am shocked - shocked, I tell you - to hear that I cannot trust a lady from South Euclid.
Next thing, you'll be telling me there's no Santa Claus and that Denny Kucinich is some kind of political nutcase.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 01/10/2004 10:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Mike - since Ghoulardi is no longer on the scene I guess we'll have to depend on Big Chuck and Houlihan/Little John to ridicule S. Euclid instead of Parma. About time.
Posted by: doc8404 || 01/10/2004 11:33 Comments || Top||

#7  this battle woman is a freak and a selfish bitch. what a nerve. what a liar. i can't beleive this bitch. i hope she loses everything.
Posted by: Jabberwocky || 01/10/2004 21:06 Comments || Top||

#8  I feel sorry for her. She can have my share of all those overseas lotteries I keep hearing I've won, which will pay me handsomely once I give them all my bank account information. I keep telling 'em - twelve paces north from the northeast corner of the outhouse, turn right, and walk until you're between the two tall oaks. The coffee can's buried about six inches deep... They don't respond - I just can't understand it.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 01/10/2004 21:51 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Yemen arrests 6 Soddies
Six suspected members of al-Qaida are in custody in Yemen. A security official says the group, all Saudis, will be deported to Saudi Arabia next week. There’s no word when the six were arrested. Another Saudi man who officials suspect belongs to a cell connected to the May suicide bombings in Riyadh also faces deportation. Officials believe several others who may have played a role in the blasts are also in Yemen.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/10/2004 12:25:39 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Britain
Police seize UK suicide bomber
AN ISLAMIC terrorist suspect linked to Al-Qaeda has been arrested after apparently preparing himself for a suicide bombing in Britain. The man, an Algerian asylum seeker, had left suicide notes to his mother and sister warning them that he planned to "martyr" himself. When he was strip-searched, police discovered he had shaved off all his body hair — a religious obligation often observed by would-be suicide bombers so that they are "clean" before entering heaven...
Posted by: Lux || 01/10/2004 7:23:36 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Good and bad news. How many other islamofascist murderers have already infiltrated the UK?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 01/10/2004 20:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Note that the mother and sister apparently didn't warn the authorities. It's possible, I guess, that the raid was prompted by them going to the authorities, but I don't get that impression.

You also have to love the fact that someone SEEKING ASYLUM decided to go out and slaughter THE PEOPLE HE WANTED TO PROTECT HIM.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/10/2004 21:31 Comments || Top||


BBC halts Kilroy for race ’rant’
The Kilroy programme will be taken off air immediately following comments made by Robert Kilroy-Silk in a newspaper article, the BBC has announced. The presenter branded Arabs "suicide bombers, limb amputators, women repressors" and asked what they had given to the world other than oil.
Twas a fine rant, as I recall.
The BBC stressed the comments did not reflect its views as a broadcaster.
Of that we can be sure!
It said the BBC One programme would be suspended from Monday while it investigated the matter fully. The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) described the piece written by the discussion show host in last week’s Sunday Express as a "gratuitous anti-Arab rant".
But of course they couldn’t refute it.
Mr Kilroy-Silk’s article included comments saying the toppling of despotic regimes in the Middle East should be a war aim, and questioned the contribution of the Arab nations to world welfare and civilisation. He said Arabs "murdered more than 3,000 civilians on 11 September" and then "danced in the streets" to celebrate.
There’s video available on that one. Wonder if anyone in the BBC ever looked at it?
Hours before the suspension was announced, Labour MP Lynne Jones urged the BBC to "consider the position" of Mr Kilroy-Silk, who is not a member of staff but works for the corporation on a freelance basis. She tabled a Commons motion denouncing his comments as "racist".
Gallantly racing to the defense of her pet contributors.
BBC media correspondent Torin Douglas said the issue was so serious the investigation was likely to be considered by the governors as well as senior managers and editorial policy. "Many people would see it very hard for him to continue with a programme that deals with current affairs matters having made such comments," he said.
Yas, the old European approach: if we don’t like what you say, we’ll shut you down.
Only last month the BBC tightened up guidelines regarding presenters writing for newspapers, particularly about current affairs or contentious issues.
Wonder if that will change their leftie spew -- nah!
Mr. Kilroy’s rant was a bit intemperate for the radio. Gutsy and with several large kernels of truth. He should come to America.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/10/2004 12:23:01 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Drat. His rant was in a newspaper column, not radio. Oops.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/10/2004 0:25 Comments || Top||

#2  The only thing he did wrong was to say 'Arabs' instead of 'Islamists'. It seem the newspaper took a few things out of context (whoops) too. Here's his public apology (BBC).

"The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) reported the matter to the police.

CRE chairman Trevor Phillips commended the BBC for taking swift action on the matter.

He said: "It is unbelievable. It's not just what he says, but the way he says it, which is completely offensive, and the level of ignorance he shows.""

Dunno about ignorance Trevor, seems like he was right on the ball about a great many things.

Our good friends at Samizdata (Perry de Haviland) have a few things to say on the matter too.


"I was just interviewed on BBC News 24 to put my views on this affair and I pointed out that whilst I found his remarks full of nasty collectivist generalization, many of the points he made about what passes for civilization in the Arab world are simply facts... people do indeed get their limbs chopped off as punishment in Saudi Arabia, women are indeed second class citizens (if they are even citizens at all), human rights are ghastly across a great swathe of the Middle East, the last time the Muslim world was a hive of innovation was in the 12th Century etc. etc... all these things are simply facts."


To get away with saying that on the BBC is some going!

I don't much like Kilroy-Silk (he's a Labour MP *spit* - which makes this all the more comical), but something has to be done to vent the pressure cooker that political correctness has set alight in this country.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 01/10/2004 5:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Kilroy is a Hero, and the BBC should suspend all its staff if this is the case because thier all incedably anti western.If Kilroy had said those comments about Jews the BBC would have given him a pay rise.I hate the BBC and thier constant brown nosing of Arabs,they act like bloody children.Makes me so angry we have to pay a t.v licence for the fuck wits.
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 5:18 Comments || Top||

#4  The BBC were right to take this racist slimeball off the air and if you think he should join the other ignoramuses in the USA you are welcome to him. I'll even pay his air fare! He will fit in well with their unelected educationally subnormal president and his neo conservative cabinet of unmitigated crooks and liars.
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/10/2004 9:22 Comments || Top||

#5  The TV license thing is something I just can't understand the British citizen standing still for. Yes we have NPR, but that's mainly funded by corporate shakedowns and mug sales...
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 9:25 Comments || Top||

#6  Racist? jesus you ever listened to the crap that BBC normally come out with- if he's guilty then so is ever other BBC journalist for thier anti-western crap they come out with.Pity the truth hurts and the Muslim comunity just can't hack it.More people in the U.k should talk like this instead of brown nosing and appeasing the 'religion of peace'. Go listen to a palistinian speaches in thier mosques and you might just realise that the 'religion of peace' is actully the most sick and distorted excuse for a religion there ever could be and until they stop preaching death to the west and Israeil and clean thier act up they shouldn't preach about Fuckin Kilroy.He spoke his mind and the truth hurts dosn't it.
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 9:34 Comments || Top||

#7  Anonymous - If it wasn't for the transparent venom in your post, I would consider it quite a good spoof of the Leftist lack of fact and argument.
Posted by: phil_b || 01/10/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#8  Kilroy apologizes, British muslim say it's not enough...what do they want? Blood?
"British Muslims unhappy with apology from TV star over anti-Arab remarks"
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/65725/1/.html

Posted by: TS || 01/10/2004 10:20 Comments || Top||

#9  “Democracy dies when honest men may no longer voice the truth for fear of State retribution”.

So, Robert Kilroy-Silk has been tried and (what else?) found guilty in-absentia by Witch-finder General Trevor Phillips; the over-paid, over-opinionated and over-sensitive UK Head of the CRE.

To misquote McCarthy: "..are you now, or have you ever been a racist?".

Make no mistake, for reasons of political expediency, which it seems has long since replaced any finer humanitarian or moral grounds, the CRE (or should that be primus inter pares?) now heads the bloated body of thought-police sanctioned by our saintly Prime Minister Tony Blair and his acolytes. Let none gainsay their wisdom in these matters!

For those of you who are not yet aware, take heed, for the CRE is the all-powerful body that monitors the airwaves, the media, our words, thoughts and very souls for any possible hint of the “R” word.

Yes, the technology exists, so it can only be a matter of time before the introduction of mandatory polygraphs and sodium-pentathol injections to determine whether we still harbour any trace of sub-conscious racist tendencies.

God help us all if a ‘racist’ gene is ever detected - compulsory DNA screening for all! But then, the actions of the CRE, the police and courts in this country demonstrate clearly that the ‘crime’ of racism is committed exclusively and inexorably by one demonic section of our society. Yes, anyone insensitive enough to have been born white must by definition, and without exception, be a racist.

Children must surely soon be ‘encouraged’ to decry their parents to the authorities for that most heinous of 21st century crimes? So what of murder, or rape, or child molestation? - these are as nothing it would seem when compared to that vague and ill-defined 'crime', on which the burden of proof lies with the accused not the accuser; against which it seems no defence or protestations of innocence can protect us - 'R-A-C-I-S-M'.

One must ask though, what hope is there for a true and just society, where people of all backgrounds and faiths can live in peace and as true equals, when unregulated zealots with an over-indulged sense of self-righteousness and a burning desire to ensure that we for ever pay for the sins of past generations, are appointed by an unscrupulous government to stand in judgement over us all?

We are now force-fed a daily diet of ethnically and culturally approved news and views. Increasingly, re-programming by SWAT teams of carefully vetted ‘Diversity Trainers’ is a pre-requisite before we may be considered for employment (the use of accompanying electrodes to intensify the experience must again only be a matter of time).

Ethnic and non-Judaio-Christian groups and associations are already well represented in the UK. Black, Asian and Islamic interest groups and societies exist within many academic, social and occupational areas, some law-abiding and forces for good, others preaching sedition, apparently safe from prosecution because of our native (at times patronising) tolerance for all cultures other than our own. We even have the self-proclaimed ‘Muslim Parliament of Great Britain’, clearly not yet convinced of the ability of the UK Parliament to represent their interests (but then we have some common ground here).

The very idea that there could be ‘White’ or Christian equivalents of many of these groups would be anathema to the CRE, and career-ending for anyone rash enough to suggest it.

Would a ‘White Police Association’ be permitted in the UK? – one can imagine the CRE’s reaction and the demands in Parliament for resignations if anyone dared propose such a thing. And yet, we must meekly and unquestioningly accept that a ‘Black Police Association’ is permitted within the main body of the police force in this country.

Am I alone in asking why it must always fall to the indigenous population of this country to accommodate and indulge every whim, wish, cultural and religious difference introduced by newcomers to our shores – and those elsewhere in the world?

As perhaps one of the most tolerant nations on earth, we agonise over what is politically correct, avoid saying or doing anything that might cause offence or upset the sensibilities of other cultures, and yet, there is little evidence of any such consideration in return.

Leaving aside the cynical and laughable attempts by Mr. Blunkett to persuade us otherwise, it would appear that nothing is asked in return from our new countrymen and women by our government representatives - other than their votes.

The pendulum of inequality has already swung much too far in the opposite direction, and yet, we dare not speak of such things, nor encourage open debate. What hope then for peaceful co-existence, mutual respect or understanding?

Truly, where civil liberty, democracy and equality are concerned, we live in perilous times.
Posted by: TonyG || 01/10/2004 11:01 Comments || Top||

#10  Exact same thing just across the Channel, Tony...
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/10/2004 12:58 Comments || Top||

#11  I think just like the Zionists bark anti-semitism when someone even speaks, there should be word for muslim-bashing too. Anti-muslim just doesnt 'cut' it.
Posted by: Faisal || 01/10/2004 15:27 Comments || Top||

#12  How about 'verisimilitude' then?
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 01/10/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#13  Faisal - Given this comment - and one or two others I've seen from you, I'll assume you're sympathetic to the Muslim cause. So what is it: Are you a troll pretender - or a real 7th century Caliphate jihadi?

After some years of being in their (Your?) world and having their bullshit shoved down my throat, payback has a nice ring to it. Islam is hypocrisy incarnate and the world's fount of backward brutal barbarism. It is doomed to extinction by its true message of hate and intolerance - combined with its ineffectual helplessness and well-earned shameful despair. Truly, Islam is a pathetic failure, the bottom-feeder of religions, and I, for one, will laugh while watching as it is snuffed out. Rest assured I will assist the process in every manner possible, too.

If 1% of what the Muslims impose upon non-Muslims who are in their vaunted "Islamic lands" were to be imposed upon them while in the West, the squealing would be amazing. Like hordes of pigs - and the Brit Muslims do an excellent imitation of it when merely described accurately. If the Muslims don't care for free speech, then they should love the fact that they are free to leave... something that is demonstrably untrue in countries they control. You have nothing but sand beneath your feet, son -- and no future. None.

Indeed, the man is dead right: we owe the Muslims nothing, as they contribute nothing but whining seething gutless drivel, subversion, and duplicity. The cowardice of the current UK Govt to deal with the subversion of Islam will cease the minute one of your brothers makes the classic jihadi mistake of attacking their generous host. There's no doubt it will happen - because the jihadi is less intelligent than the pig that he imitates with his squeals of offence. You should take your leave while you can, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
Posted by: .com || 01/10/2004 17:31 Comments || Top||

#14  'a 7th century Caliphate jihadi' - that probably does sum him up completey and the likeness of Islam to squealing pigs is just perfect possibly the best description i've heard of them yet. Kilroy should be given a medal - and armed gaurds cos i'm sure the 'religion of peace' will try and get revenge - if not on him then probably on his kids or wife and however many other innocent people may be near him at the time.They'll probably issue a fatwa or whatever you call it on him. I may have to change my middle name to Kilroy, he's my new hero, a real breath of fresh air from are rotten politically correct society.I look forward to reading his next piece. And hearing you squeal.
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 17:48 Comments || Top||

#15  Islam is a pathetic failure, the bottom-feeder of religions

Abu TrollSlicer lives!
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 23:10 Comments || Top||

#16  Mr Anonymous,

So kind of you to visit this site during one of your many coffee/tea breaks at the BBC.
Posted by: ed || 01/11/2004 0:20 Comments || Top||

#17  Dear Anonymous Poster. Thanks for your post. At least you don't have the courage to leave a name eh?. Common of Zionists --- all of 'em are rats. I am a human being. Love jewish gals :P. I'm not a Jihadi. There is no concept of 'jihad' in Islam for the extension of a country ie acquisition of land. That is what i believe in. The only 'jihad' i know of is to tame one's own self to be a better human ie to be honest, integral, upright and recpect all other human beings irrespective of their race, color and culture. Oh yeah, but then the Talmud tells us that the goyim's life has no value eh. I think that reading too much Talmud has brain damaged u. The 'jihadis' you refer to, and refer to as my brothers have nothing to do with me. I spit in their face. I think you are brain damaged from reading too much Talmud. Please take some rest. The only failure u will see is Zion :-) it has to end one day.
Posted by: Faisal || 01/11/2004 7:52 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Man charged over Sydney car explosion
A 28-year-old man has been charged over a massive car explosion in Sydney’s west on Saturday morning.
The alleged car bomber is expected to face court on Sunday morning.The blast on a vacant property at Doonside in Sydney’s west left a four-metre deep crater and the car’s wreckage was scattered over a 500 metre area.
Blacktown Local Area Commander, Superintendent Wayne Murray, is refusing to speculate about the motive for the crime.
"We’re taking it as a serious explosion that has taken place in some vacant bushland area," he said.
"I’m not prepared at this stage to say anything more sinister, and there doesn’t need to be anything more sinister put on that."
A 28-year-old Blacktown man has been charged with the unlawful making of explosives, possession of dangerous articles and trespass. A search of his home by police found chemicals capable of making explosives. Nearby residents were evacuated while the unstable chemicals were destroyed.
Posted by: TS || 01/10/2004 4:15:01 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What's his name? Do we have to go through this "Hide The Name" game again?
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 01/10/2004 16:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Not too much on google news yet regarding his name, but there is this;


The bomb left a crater four metres wide and two metres deep in a paddock and reduced a derelict car to pieces the size of 5c coins. Fragments were later found a kilometre away.


People in OZ/NZ commonly call fields 'paddocks'.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 01/10/2004 16:51 Comments || Top||

#3  Mark John Avery, 28, was charged with unlawfully making or possessing explosives and other offences over yesterday's explosion at Doonside.

If this was home made explosives, and having seen the reports on Oz TV - debris was blown a kilometer and a substantial crater left, there was a lot involved. This wasn't someone testing a small amount of home made explosive to see if it worked. Looks like more to this than someone having fun. Best guess is it is crime gang related.
Posted by: phil_b || 01/10/2004 21:00 Comments || Top||

#4  Blowing pieces a kilometer (2/3 of a mile) away from the explosion site is a bit bigger than the simple carbide bombs we used to make, even the (small) ammonium nitrate/nitrite bombs. However, it's well within the range of a FAM type bomb. Derelict car, half-full leaky gas tank, hot day, stray cigarette, and BOOM! Be nice to keep track of this and see what develops.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 01/11/2004 0:10 Comments || Top||

#5  I nominate him for future Darwin Award winner.
Posted by: ed || 01/11/2004 0:22 Comments || Top||


Europe
A chemical attack was in preparation in France
Scuse the Henglish. This is a translation from the French article
Looks like the pressure is being applied pretty heavily on France. What’s the betting that Chirac's order on the hijab will be rescinded within a month
It is the conclusion which would have reached the policemen of the DST, some days after the interpellations intervened in the region of Lyons within the framework of the inquiry on the "Chechen fields". The detainees it dedicated as well "to the recruitment of future fighters", according to Le Monde.

L be policemen of the DST (Direction(management) of the surveillance of the territory), which(who) called to several persons this week in region of Lyons within the framework of the inquiry on the support for the " Chechen fields ", are convinced that a chemical attempt was in preparation in France, according to the daily The World was dated Sunday - Monday. The newspaper asserts that the policemen are convinced that " the family of the imam Chellali Benchellali dedicated itself actively to the preparation of highly toxic products for their distribution(broadcasting) as well as for the recruitment of future Islamist fighters ". The justice also suspects Chellali Benchellali - an imam of district who is the father of Mourad, held(detained) in Cuba, and by Ménad, imprisoned in France to have supplied a logistic support for the members of an operational terrorist group dismantled in December, 2002 to Romainville and to Courneuve ( Seine-Saint-Denis). The Benchellali family and his(her) close relations would have supplied false papers, money(silver), explosives and places of residence to the members of this network which prepared probably one or several attempts, certainly chemical, in Paris against Russian targets, according to the judicial sources.

Besides, a girl of Chellali Benchellali was placed in police custody on Friday within the framework of this inquiry, while the imam of Vénissieux (Rhone) and five other persons called on Tuesday are placed under the blow of an arrest warrant to be presented on Monday to a committing magistrate in Paris, as it was learnt on Friday from judicial sources. A seventh person who had been stopped(arrested) on Tuesday by the DST (Direction(management) of the surveillance of the territory), Fatna Merabet, the wife of the new imam of Vénissieux in suburb of Lyons, should be set again at liberty at the conclusion of her police custody, as it was clarified the same sources. When a person is called in more of 200km of the place of the instruction, she can be maintained in detention at the conclusion of her police custody for a duration of four days under the blow of an arrest warrant. It is the case of the six concerned persons whose police custody of 96 hours(o’clock) expires on Saturday morning. They will be presented on Monday to the antiterrorist committing magistrates with the aim of their indictments. On the whole, nine persons, among which a woman, had been indicted the end of December, 2002 in this said file " Chechen fields ".

Among them, Ménad Benchellali, indicted for " criminal conspiracy in connection with one terrorist company ". His brother Mourad, him, is at present detained on the American base of Guantanamo in Cuba. It(he) had left France to study the Koran in Pakistan in June, 2001. Chellali Benchellali, his wife Hasfa and their third son, Hafed, the new imam of the big mosque of Vénissieux, Mourad Merabet, and a 27-year-old young man, Abdelwahed Regad, who was used(employed) as controller quality on a hallal slaughterhouse, as well as the sixth person will be transferred on Monday in Paris. These arrests on rogatory commission of the committing magistrate Jean Louis BruguiÚre provoked of numerous demonstration to Vénissieux where from is also native another prisoner of Guantanamo, Nizar Sassi. The representative - mayor of Vénissieux, André Gérin congratulated himself for his part of these interpellations and wished the lock of the Moslem places of prayer situated in cellars and feet of buildings of the conglomeration of Lyons. AP
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#1  as long as the chemicals don't blow my way across the channel (i'm right on the coast) i'm not to fussed what happens to the French after thier recent (read last 50 years) of back stabbing and selfishness
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 15:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh yeah. Freedom is a yankee thingy m'boy. As long as Jon's resting on the westcoat, who gives a damn to whatever happens across the channel. How selfless eh. Feel like eating 'freedom' fries now...
Posted by: Faisal || 01/10/2004 15:35 Comments || Top||

#3  yeah some freedom fries would be nice thanks mate - you paying? I'm on the south coast to - of England. Its a shame for the french but i certainly wouldn't be upset if anything did happen to them, they don't care when something happens to others.Like the saying goes 'the French will be there when they need us' but just like in the last world war one and two they'd rather let others do all the fighting for them and then join in when its all finished a la Afganistan when they were about a year late to assist the Allies of America.You'd be dead right to think i don't like them,thier foriegn policy is completely self centered and while they moaned about America and England being in Iraq they were romping round Africa upsetting the locals there.Big case of double standards again.While they watched the Americans in Iraq in thier suppossed 'qaugmire' it was blatently clear they wanted America to fail and instead of doing the decent thing and sending even a small force of say 1000 men to help out they just sat on the fence and jeered at us. Nice allies eh?
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 16:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Fasil?
Are you new here?

Would I cheer if a lot of people died no.

Do I enjoy watching France squirm?

Yes,sir,definitly!!!!!!

France has been screwing over freind and foe alike for decades.I'm glad to see the Islamist decided to rise-up and bite France.
You know,kinda like What the Saudie Royals are dealing with.
Posted by: raptor || 01/10/2004 16:19 Comments || Top||

#5  you hit the nail on the head there raptor comparing the french to the soudies,be nice to see both countries crumble.
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||


Terrorism in France
When President Jacques Chirac delivered his televised speech about the hijab in France, I believed there would be an immediate Jihad against France.
Me too
I anticipated a wide array of jihadist offensives against Paris. My primary analytical reason was the strategic importance of the scarf to Islamic fundamentalists worldwide. According to religious radicals, the long scarf — which is supposed to cover the hair, and in some cases, the faces of Muslim women — is not just a tradition, but a religious duty called fard dinee. Per fundamentalist clerics, women have to cover. And by way of extension, those who do are complying with the will of Allah.
Sort of like, keeping them pregnant and barefoot
When women wear the scarf, Islamic fundamentalists consider it a pillar of their influence. They can deploy their statistical power and project it as a maker or breaker of their growth. If the hijab were used increasingly, the Islamists would feel on the ascent. If its use decreases, particularly by orders of a secular government, like France, the jihadists have no choice but to wage war.
Not that they need much reason to be outraged
Mr. Chirac projected a political trade. He would oppose the United States on Iraq, shield Saddam’s regime until the last day, stand firmly by the Palestinian Authority against Israel and continue to endorse Syria’s control of Lebanon. In return, he expected an "Arab understanding" of France’s domestic needs regarding secularism. He failed.
Islamists don’t make concession. They say jump, you say how high? AKA dimmitude
Although Paris refused to cooperate with Washington, and with others on uprooting the al Qaeda’s networks, the Sunni radicals did not grant Mr. Chirac a hijab removal license either. To the contrary, they punished the French "infidels" for their scarf sin. On the other side of the fundamentalist aisle, the French government tried hard to court the Shiite Jihadists, but in vain. The master of the Elysee attended a Beirut-Francophone summit, shook the hand of Hezbollah’s commander, and constantly identified the pro-Iranian organization as a freedom-fighting force. He would have expected a respite from Tehran, when the "hijab affair" was settled by his speech. Not at all: The spokespersons for the Iranian President Mohammad Khatami blasted the French president for his "anti-Islamic" war.
I think I've remarked before that there doesn't seem to be a word in Arabic (or Persian) for "gratitude."
The anti-French holy campaign started one minute after Mr. Chirac finished his speech, carried live and instantly translated into Arabic on al-Jazeera TV. The anchors, analysts and obviously the resident-clerics had no mercy on the man who opposed America. On fundamental issues related to infidel-politics, there is no such thing as "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Sheikh Youssef al Qardawi, the senior cleric in the Qatar-based station, was clear: "This is not an issue of adapting to domestic or international politics or circumstances, this is a matter related to the essence of our existence." But Mr. Qardawi takes the issue beyond the debate: "By all means and in all that we can do, we must resist and fight. The Arab world, the Muslim world and all Mujahedin around the world must help their brothers and sisters in France."
Yep. Sounds like a declaration of holy war, unless they've developed a mujahedin arguing corps...
So far, this incitement can be transcribed under "freedom of speech." But in jihadist language, it is more. It is a license for "freedom of action." It will be absorbed by the several shades of militants in as much as they understand the "urgencies" of the call for holy duty. Some will hire lawyers, while others will threaten with vote sanctions. Some will take it to the streets, while others will boycott French goods in the region. A myriad of jihads can and will take place. But there are some who will take it to the Osama level (i.e., mass killing) when needed.
Seems like schadenfreude all over again
But the worse may be happening now. A press release issued this week by an al Qaeda affiliate out of Yemen claimed responsibility for the "downing of the airplane" with hundreds of French passengers and lost over Egypt. The claiming party, a man with an Egyptian accent, said he represents Ansar al Haq, an off-shoot of bin Laden’s organization. But worse is that the man threatened more strikes if "Paris continues with its anti-hijab policy." Regardless of the veracity of the claim, one thing is sure. Those who would take the scarf crisis to mass destruction exist. And France will have to make the mother of all choices.
But we can’t expect them to make it any time soon. France is a nation of "thinkers" after all, not doers. They will need to think and think and.....tick ..tick...
Posted by: tipper || 01/10/2004 9:49:55 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If people weren't losing their lives because of Chiracs mistake this might be something to grin about and say "I told you so".
Posted by: Charles || 01/10/2004 12:57 Comments || Top||

#2  chirac in english means shitrack
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 14:55 Comments || Top||

#3  It still makes me smile at times.
Posted by: raptor || 01/10/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||

#4  When you lie down with dogs....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/10/2004 16:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Has this actually happened yet? I mean has someone wearing a hijab been told to remove it yet?
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 01/10/2004 17:33 Comments || Top||


More on the Swiss raids
The Swiss authorities have arrested eight people in connection with suicide bombings in Saudi Arabia. The arrests on Thursday were part of a national operation by 100 police officers who raided homes in Geneva, Bern, Zurich, Vaud and Aargau and questioned about 20 suspects. Those arrested are suspected of providing logistical support for a series of attacks by Islamic militants on housing compounds in Riyadh last May which killed 35 people, including nine assailants. Officials said all the suspects were foreigners, but refused to disclose their nationality or give any other details. The investigation is thought to have been triggered by the arrest in Pakistan last March of Khaled Sheikh Muhammad, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington. "Inquiries identified incoming and outgoing calls from Khaled Sheikh’s phone," the Saudi daily al-Watan reported last month. As a result Swiss federal prosecutors obtained the names and phone numbers of people living in Switzerland who had been in contact with him. The Swiss authorities then obtained court permission to listen in to relevant phones, according to court records obtained by several Swiss newspapers. Andrea Sadecky, the spokeswoman for the federal prosecutor’s office, would not say whether information from those calls led to the arrests. A UN report last month criticised Switzerland for failing to prevent support reaching Osama bin Laden’s network and the Afghan Taliban. It alleged that Switzerland was being used as a revolving door for weapons smuggling and that money for terrorism was passing through the country.
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India-Pakistan
Qazi leaves for Qatar
The Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal’s acting President Qazi Hussain Ahmad will leave for Qatar today (Friday) to attend a conference on the Islamic world’s relations with the United States of America organised by the government of Qatar. Mr Qazi told journalists on Thursday that he would draw the world’s attention to the fact that Muslims were targeted after the September 11 terror attacks, a US government policy that the world should criticise. “The US administration should change its attitude to Muslims,” he added.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 01/10/2004 23:10 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Hope for Pakistan’s imprisoned rape victims
Pakistan’s minister for women, Nilofar Bakhtiar, has said more needs to be done to rid the country of oppressive attitudes toward women.
I'd suggest tilting the country onto one side, hosing it off, and starting over from scratch, but that's probably not feasible...
Bakhtiar said she welcomed moves to repeal harsh legislation passed 20 years ago under the Islamic dictatorship of General Zia-ul-Haq, under which thousands of women were imprisoned for adultery after being raped, or because their families denounced them – although the proposed reforms have yet to be passed by parliament. There are around 5,500 women in Pakistani prisons – most of them tried under the Zia-era laws, under which a woman who has been raped can be locked up for adultery unless the rape can be confirmed by four pious Muslim men.
Assuming they weren't expressing their piety by raping her...
Women are often jailed as adulterers for revenge – after being denounced by their parents for marrying a man of their choice, for example, or by a former husband if they remarry after a divorce.
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#1  O'lord Protect us from the preverts,
the asshats, the sexually frustrated,
the addled, the kooky and the just plain nuts.
Protect us O'Lord.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm still at a loss to understand how any Western liberal or Lefty woman could support any type of Islamic state anywhere in the world. If you are even accused of discriminating against a woman in the U.S. based on sex, you may have the ACLU or NOW demonstrating against you. But in Islamoworld, they actually throw rape victims in jail!
And yet I still see women supporting these regimes by marching with the "anti-war" groups and the like.
The mind boggles...
Posted by: Les Nessman || 01/10/2004 14:53 Comments || Top||

#3  the 'religion of peace' is truly shocking,i never realised they were this terrible, i knew they were sick but locking up a victim of rape,i'm stunned by this words cannot express the disgust i feel. Just such a shame major news don't inform the Lefty fuck wits what there really like instead of defending them.
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 18:01 Comments || Top||

#4  Pakistan is actually doing these victims a kindness. Rape victims are supposed to be stoned to death, aren't they?
Posted by: Tresho || 01/10/2004 23:54 Comments || Top||

#5  Since Sue was waiting for my comments i can't keep her waiting any longer :-). Well this shitty little law was introduced by America's friend Dictator Gen. Zia al Haq. Oh I just remembered btw that all dictators are always Uncle Sam's friend :P. At that time, no yankee came forward to say hey repeal this law blah blah blah. You see first they create a problem and then they tell you hey... it's not OUR problem. Yes, this law is just plain shit and needs to be scraped. On another note, my friend was telling me that stoning to death is the Talmudic punishment for adultery :-). Quite a co-incidence eh.
Posted by: Faisal || 01/11/2004 8:10 Comments || Top||


Al-Qaeda suspects escape capture in Waziristan raid
Looks like Mahmoud the Weasel has struck again!
Suspected al-Qaeda terrorists eluded Pakistani troops during a manhunt in a remote mountain region near the Afghan border that is a possible hideout for Osama bin Laden and other fugitives of the organization.
Amazing, how that happens...
Pakistani authorities detained 28 tribesmen in the operation, all members of the Wazir tribe, but did not find any of the suspected foreign terrorists they were looking for since the raid was launched Thursday, officials said Friday. Four paramilitary rangers were killed when a rocket hit their base camp Thursday in Wana, the administrative center of semiautonomous South Waziristan tribal area, after the raid ended, said Gen. Shaukat Sultan, an army spokesman. He said two soldiers died shortly after the attack and two later died at a hospital. It was unclear who fired the rocket, but Sultan said it was not linked to the operation. The fiercely independent tribesmen often target Pakistani soldiers who venture into their area.
Perhaps the Pakistani soldiers should try targeting them back?
Pakistani officials refused to give details of the operation, but described it as minor, indicating bin Laden and other high-profile al-Qaeda members who could be hiding in the mountains along the Pakistan-Afghan border were not the targets. "It was not a high-profile operation," Sultan said. "It was a search operation."
One that was blown before it was started...
A Wana official said that 28 tribesmen had been detained and that elders were demanding their release. Under Pakistani law, an entire tribe is responsible for any crime committed by one of its members and can be punished collectively. Tribal elders are expected to work with authorities and turn in any criminals. In return, the tribes have autonomy over their affairs. Another Wana security official told The Associated Press that the tribesmen were being questioned about who had been at the compounds. Some gunfire was exchanged during Thursday’s operation, but it was not clear if it came from the foreign suspects or from local people, the official said.
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#1  "A Wana official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that 28 tribesmen had been detained and that elders were demanding their release. Under Pakistani law, an entire tribe is responsible for any crime committed by one of its members and can be punished collectively.
"

Ok, how about decimation, lets see 28/10=2.8 - nah that won't work, make it 3 and call it quits...
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 01/10/2004 5:09 Comments || Top||

#2  I strike when you least expect it, infidel. After all, we have several advantages. First amongst those is our fanatical loyalty to the Pope bin Laden...
Posted by: Mahmoud, the Weasel || 01/10/2004 17:21 Comments || Top||

#3  Uhhh, Mahmoud that's just one advantage.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 23:25 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Possible Iraqi blister gas weapons found
Tip o’ the hat to Andrew Sullivan.
Danish troops have found dozens of mortar rounds buried in Iraq which initial tests show could contain blister gas, the Danish army says. The tests were taken after Danish troops found 36 120mm mortar rounds on Friday in southern Iraq. The Danish army said they had been buried for at least 10 years. "All the instruments showed indications of the same type of chemical compound, namely blister gas," the Danish Army Operational Command said on its Web site on Saturday, cautioning that further tests were needed. Blister gases, such as mustard gas, are used in chemical weapons. Blister gas, an illegal weapon which former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein said he had destroyed, was extensively used against the Iranians during the 1980 to 1988 war. Although it can kill if it enters the lungs, its use is primarily to debilitate infantry by causing the skin to break out in excruciatingly painful blisters. The United States launched its war to oust Saddam on March 20 saying the Iraqi leader violated U.N. resolutions by developing weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological weapons. Teams of international weapons inspectors however have so far been unable to locate those weapons.
Might pan out, might not. Even if it does, people might claim that these were old and just missed when Sammy "cleaned up" his WMDs.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/10/2004 5:09:05 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I refuse to believe even a Muslim army could lose gas shells.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/10/2004 17:28 Comments || Top||

#2  bet you'll get dick heads saying the weapons were planted or that just cos there old weapons its not reason to go to war,i get the feeling they'll be alot of very upset anti war weasels on hearing this news,just like they were when saddam was captured from his shit hole hide out.they'd love to see us fail yet every prediction the anti war movement ever made has been proven wrong (world war and massive arab uprisings). Wonderfull news this is and i just hope the fuck wits will have to eat thier own words.
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 17:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Steve, You are right I am sure the Islamic Apologist are already firing up the ole PR machine.

However, how and where these were hidden might give some insight into where to find other such 'missed' arms....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/10/2004 17:30 Comments || Top||

#4  I'm sure it's only a coincidence that saddam's secretary 'died' *ahem* in U.S. custody a few days ago.

Significant that this time it wasn't barrels of 'pesticide' that was mistaken for nerve agent (there can't be THAT many bugs in iraq! still think they were vx precursors). This is a nasty blood/blister agent, absolutely NO use in the civilian world for something like this. But yeah, the idiots on the left, always his staunchest defenders, will be screaming we planted this/no immediate threat (think aq wouldn't want some blister gas in times square?)/strictly for use on iranians and kurds, all sorts of crazy denials.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 01/10/2004 17:46 Comments || Top||

#5  they should dip Saddams face (oh and george gallaways) in the mustard gas on Iraqi t.v , the BBC seem pretty gutted about this over here, all long faces on the 10 o'clock news, not gonna be much left for them to try and critise us over now the 'qaugmire' they invented is over and saddam and wmd have turned up.Truly wonderfull news.
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 17:56 Comments || Top||

#6  Let us not dwell on what insane people may say to refute the finding of WMDs. Let instead focus on gathering the litany of things said by the left to use against them in the coming elections, to use against them, before they delete their archives, and to reiterate that Saddam's number was up the first time a SAM was fired at US aircraft, many, many years ago; not becuase of weapons inspections alone. Let us continue to press the idea that terrorists and their leftist enablers/sympathizers, can either disarm, or face the consequences.

If this pans out, it is truley good news.
Posted by: badanov || 01/10/2004 18:55 Comments || Top||

#7 
Actually, 4thInfVet, most pesticides are organo-phosphate based, and are, therefore, nerve agents.

If you do a little research, you'll discover that the researcher (one second, checking my reference books.. ah, here it is!) who invented the first nerve agent, Tabun, was a pesticide chemist who noticed the effects it had on mammals, and came up with cyanodimethlaminethoxphophine oxide, aka Tabun.

The chemical difference between Tabun and the stuff you can find in, say, Shell No-Pest strips (TM) is so small, it's unimportant for all practical purposes.

Of course, the Looney Left will, of course, seize upon that difference and claim that they aren't the same thing.

If that's true, though, why all the warnings on a No-Pest strip, eh?

Come to think of it, has anyone considered hanging a No-Pest strip near their front door in an attempt to keep away Lefties as well as bugs?

Hehehehehe...

Ed.
Posted by: Ed Becerra || 01/10/2004 20:38 Comments || Top||

#8  anyone considered hanging a No-Pest strip near their front door in an attempt to keep away Lefties

Won't work Ed, in fact it attracts hippies. They seem to like the the sticky raisins.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 23:30 Comments || Top||


Iraq Civilians Say Soldiers Shot at Taxi
The U.S. military is investigating a report that American soldiers opened fire with a machine gun on a taxi, killing four Iraqi civilians, including a 7-year-old boy, and wounded the driver last week in Saddam Hussein’s hometown. Iraqi police in the northern town of Tikrit, found the bullet-riddled car and took the wounded driver, Ibrahim Allawi, to the hospital. Allawi said he was driving four passengers in his taxi on the evening of Jan. 3 when he was caught behind a convoy of four Humvees on a road leading to the main highway through Tikrit. Soldiers in the last Humvee, he says, directed him to pass the convoy. When he had nearly cleared all the vehicles, machine gun fire struck his taxi, he said. The fire came from the lead vehicle in the convoy, Allawi said from his hospital bed.

The U.S. military is investigating the shooting, but has not yet reached any conclusion, said Maj. Josslyn Aberle, a spokeswoman for the Army’s 4th Infantry Division, which is based in Tikrit. The Iraqi officers said they believed his account and expressed frustration by what they said was a delayed response to the incident by U.S. authorities. U.S. soldiers who went to the scene found a blue Chevrolet Caprice ``hit by multiple bursts of heavy-caliber machine gunfire,’’ and several dead Iraqis, said Lt. Col. Steve Russell, a battalion commander in Tikrit. The incident was a ``human tragedy,’’ he added. ``Our soldiers were not involved in this incident,’’ Russell said. ``But it’s possible that the damage to the vehicle could have come from coalition forces given the (type of) damage.’’ The incident, which people refer to as ``the car slayings,’’ adds to already high tension in Tikrit, a major center of attacks against coalition forces.

``The misconduct (of American soldiers) will make people turn against them, more than they already are,’’ Allawi said. He was particularly incensed that his attackers immediately left the area after the shooting: ``I am a peaceful civilian, why would they attack me?’’ he said. ``And then they leave me and run.’’ People in a nearby village heard the shots and went to investigate, finding the passengers dead and Allawi critically wounded with bullet wounds to the stomach, hand and shoulder, police said. There was no sign of a convoy. Those killed were later identified as Intissar Kadhem, 40; her 7-year-old son Ahmed Jawad; Rasheed Hamoud Taha, 40; and Abdullah Hamoud, 53.

U.S. forces are supposed to report any shooting incident, including those involving civilians. Col. William Darley, a spokesman with the Baghdad-based Coalition Joint Task Force, said he had not heard of any U.S. military involvement in the incident, except by those who went to the scene later. Any convoy going from Baghdad to northern cities like Mosul and Kirkuk must drive through Tikrit. ``The people of Tikrit expect the Iraqi police and the coalition forces to find an answer to this,’’ Russell said, ``I believe we have a moral obligation to find out what occurred.’’
Steve Russell says US troops were not involved and I believe him but this is the kind of report that needs to be dealt with as soon as possible, and I hope that we get some kind of explanation tommorow.
Posted by: phil_b || 01/10/2004 9:39:33 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Iraqi police in the northern town of Tikrit,

Enough said.
Posted by: Charles || 01/10/2004 13:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh Yeah. Don't you know that the incident is being 'investigated'..... and like all yankee 'investigations' we all know the results don't we :->
Posted by: Faisal || 01/10/2004 15:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Nice troll on you, "Faisal"...yankee? what a dipshit
Posted by: Frank G || 01/10/2004 16:01 Comments || Top||

#4  I hope you get cancer of the rectum Faisal you fuck wit.
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 16:06 Comments || Top||

#5  Look,Daddy,a Troll!

Don't feed the Troll,Son!

He just keep comming back.
Posted by: raptor || 01/10/2004 16:35 Comments || Top||

#6  Oh Yeah. Don't you know that the incident is being 'investigated'..... and like all yankee 'investigations' we all know the results don't we :->

You mean they're exactly like Muslim investigations? Sorry, man, we don't do whitewashes - thorough investigations are how we identify and fix problems - in every sphere of life, unlike Muslims. Besides, when have Muslims cared about civilian casualties, unless they're inflicted by non-Muslims upon Muslims?
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/10/2004 18:45 Comments || Top||

#7  The Iraqi officers said they believed his account and expressed frustration by what they said was a delayed response to the incident by U.S. authorities.

Of course they believe his account - he's a fellow Muslim. As we all know - Muslims are not only infallibly right on the facts, they're incapable of telling lies.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/10/2004 18:50 Comments || Top||

#8  I'm beginning to think there are a number of Arabs dressing in US military uniforms and performing acts of attrocity in Iraq. The reports keep coming out. I don't believe all the explanations, but I also know the American GI. This is not his style. If he wanted to kill someone, he'd just walk up and blow the perp away. All this other crap sounds more like AQ than US. It would do my heart good to be proven right by capturing a few of these fuckwits in the act.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 01/10/2004 22:42 Comments || Top||

#9  Jon, looks like you've been a bad boy all year. Cancer of rectum. Lol. Boy you've lived in california too long. For a moment i thought u were 'straight' :-) Zhang Fei (Robert Rosenthal) asshole as least learn to write your name right. Too found of 'posing' as a chinese?. My ass.
Posted by: Faisal || 01/11/2004 8:01 Comments || Top||


U.S. Formally Declares Saddam Enemy Prisoner of War
The United States has formally declared Saddam Hussein, held by U.S. forces since his Dec. 13 capture, an enemy prisoner of war, the Pentagon said on Friday, and the International Committee of the Red Thingy Cross asked to see Iraq’s former president as soon as possible.
This was probably a bad move, and one they didn't have to make...
The Pentagon’s first official statement about the 66-year-old captive’s legal status means Saddam is due a host of rights spelled out by the Geneva Convention on treatment of prisoners of war. "Saddam’s status is that he is a reprehensible genocidal piece of shit an enemy prisoner of war. The lawyers have determined that," chief Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita told reporters late on Friday, adding Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was informed of the determination earlier in the day. The treaty requires that the International Committee of the Red Thingy Cross have access to POWs. Christophe Girod, the senior ICRT ICRC official in Washington, said the organization was speaking with U.S. officials in Baghdad about gaining access to Saddam to check the conditions in which he is being held. The Geneva Convention requires that POWs receive humane treatment, including not being subjected to intimidation or insult and not being turned into a public curiosity. It requires that POWs be given proper food and freedom, be free to exercise their lack of religion and receive monthly pay depending on rank.
Uh-oh. Wonder what Sammy’s pay grade was? A palace a week?
Air Force Maj. Michael Shavers, a Pentagon spokesman, said Saddam was being given all the rights due him under the treaty. "The bottom line is that Saddam Hussein was the leader of the old regime’s military forces, and therefore he was a member of the military, and he was captured. That makes him an enemy prisoner of war," Shavers said. "It’s unusual that you have such a high-ranking enemy prisoner of war. So I think we just wanted to make sure that we had carefully thought through all the ramifications," Shavers said.
But Michael Moore said we were stupid and evil. And here we are following an international treaty that we signed.
Di Rita did not rule out the possibility the United States might re-evaluate Saddam’s POW status in the future, but declined to say under what circumstances that would occur.
We’ll let you know.
Girod expressed hope the United States would allow the ICRT ICRC to see Saddam in "the not-too-far future," perhaps in a few days or weeks. "We don’t have any negative signals that we would not have access," Girod said. Girod stressed the ICRT ICRC wanted the meeting "as soon as possible — the sooner the better," but noted the Geneva Convention did not set a specific timetable for such access.
We’ll let you know.
"We are not upset yet," Girod said.
And we all know what happens when the Red Thingy gets upset!
U.S. authorities continue to interrogate Saddam at an undisclosed location in Iraq with the CIA taking the lead role. A U.S. official said Saddam was "talking some, but not as much as we would want, and not about the kinds of things we would like."
Gotta be a tough, tough interrogation.
"He is only required to give the name, rank and serial number and birth date and the like, but that does not prohibit the U.S. government from questioning him about other things," said James Ross, senior legal adviser to the Human Rights Watch activist group. "At the same time, they cannot use torture or other unlawful means to get information."
I’m sure we’re not. I keep hoping that Saddam is giddy from the giggle juice.
Amnesty International spokesman Alistair Hodgett said the treaty did not prevent Saddam from facing trial on war crimes and genocide charges. Hodgett said the Geneva Convention allowed for POWs to be held until the end of hostilities, but said that might be open to interpretation by U.S. authorities.
Major operations are over but the war isn’t. Perhaps when the last Ba’athist is killed/jugged/run over?
Posted by: Steve White || 01/10/2004 12:13:33 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He of course is required by Western Mores to try and escape. So he will be issued One (1) Spoon, stainless steel, Mk.6 1943, One (1) Canteen, aluminum, Mk.5 1965, suitable for digging, One (1) Carbon steel file, Mk.3, 1952, for Misc. sawing and the like. One (1) Confectionary Item Mk. 1 1948, Cake Birthday,hollowed.

Signed Receipt Required.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 9:42 Comments || Top||

#2  This is rather insulting. Not once did the Red Cross make a big deal about trying to see the captured POW's during the war, and now they're scared for Saddams safety. The even want to see him when he may be responsible for bombing their HQ in Baghdad!

Let the Thingy see them after he's been examined be the Kurds first.
Posted by: Charles || 01/10/2004 13:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Actually, the interesting thing about this is that once the war is over, the Geneva convention requires that POWs be repatriated.

So, while we really do want to let an international court try, we will be "forced" to hand him back to Iraq.

Unless you are arguing we should break international law. I'd love to hear the EU argue that one.
Posted by: Jackal || 01/10/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#4  very interesting comment there jackal,hope your right cos it'd be sweet to see they euro fuck wits bleat about him not going on holiday to see milosavich in the hauge
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 15:08 Comments || Top||

#5  That's the kind of thing I was thinking, jackal. I don't think that we are required by the GC to wait until the end of the war, either.

But it surprises me that this determination should be arrived at so quickly. Surely we are forbidden to play Old Spook's mind games on a POW. Does this mean we've already gotten everything we can from him? Or does it mean we're going to let the Iraqis do it, soon? Either way, this is a very curious development.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 01/10/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Sulawesi cafe boom kills 4
AN explosion ripped through a crowded cafe in central Indonesia, killing four people and injuring three others, officials said today. The blast took place in the town of Palopo on South Sulawesi province, said Major Wisnu Wirdata. Four people were killed instantly, he said. Another three were being treated in hospital, but their condition was not given. Wirdata said it appeared the explosion was caused by a bomb planted in the cafe, about 1800km north-east of Jakarta. "It is suspected to be bomb but we are still investigating," he said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/10/2004 12:21:12 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sulewesi is on Borneo, and not a major tourist hot spot, but I'm still curious to know if it was a cafe frequented by locals, or western tourists?
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 01/10/2004 12:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Sulewesi is on Borneo, and not a major tourist hot spot, but I'm still curious to know if it was a cafe frequented by locals, or western tourists?

Sulawesi is an island (not on Borneo), but it is majority Christian. This is very likely a Muslim attack on Christians.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/10/2004 16:40 Comments || Top||


Thailand and the International Islamic Front
EFL, a view of the Pakistani role on the South East Asian jihadis, but bear in mind the author is a former Indian intel agent.
Indicators available since March, 2002, that the International Islamic Front (IIF) formed by Osama bin Laden in 1998 has been trying to extend its activities to southern Thailand have now been strengthened by the recent recrudescence of acts of violence in southern Thailand. These indicators spoke of a surprisingly large number of Muslims from Thailand studying in the madrassas of Pakistan, some of them run by the five Pakistani components of the IIF. These components are the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LET), which has now been co-ordinating the activities of the IIF due to the inability of bin Laden to do so, the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HUM), the Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HUJI), the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM) and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LEJ).

According to very reliable statistics for 2002, there were 167 Malaysians, 149 Thais and 84 Indonesians in the various madrasas of Pakistan. Figures for 2003 are not yet available. The reports received since March, 2002, also indicated that about 200 jihadis from Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines and Thailand had joined the jihadi groups and had gone into Afghanistan to fight against the allied troops after the US started its military action on October 7, 2001, but they re-entered Pakistan after sustaining casualties when Kabul fell to the Northern Alliance and the US troops and the Taliban decided to melt away for the time being. The HUJI subsequently helped these dregs from S.E.Asia to escape to Bangladesh, from where they were to sneak their way back to their respective countries.

In a surprise announcement in June, 2003, Thaksin announced that his officials had arrested four Muslims—three from Thailand and one from Singapore, since handed over to the Singapore authorities— on a charge of plotting to stage terrorist strikes in Bangkok coinciding with the APEC (Asia Pacific Economic Co-operation) summit held at Bangkok in October, 2003. The Thai authorities claimed to have recovered from the arrested Thai Muslims a tourist map of Bangkok with likely targets circled on it — reportedly including the embassies of the United States, Britain, Israel, Australia and Singapore. In August, Hambali, said to be the operational chief of the JI, who was wanted by the Indonesian authorities in connection with their investigation of the Bali explosion of October, 2002, was arrested by the Thai authorities at Ayuthya and handed over to the USA’s Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). These incidents showed the presence of sleeper cells of the JI in Thai territory. Even then, there was a reluctance to admit openly that jihadi terrorism is spreading to Thailand.

On January 4, 2004, about 30 unidentified armed attackers killed four soldiers of the Thai army during a pre-dawn raid on an army weapons depot in Narathiwat in southern Thailand. They were reported to have decamped with more than 100 guns. Eighteen schools were also torched by another group of armed attackers during raids in the Narathiwat and Yala provinces the same day. The next day, two policemen were reportedly killed while trying to defuse a bomb in the Pattani province. Following these incidents, the Thai authorities declared a martial law in the Pattani, Narathiwat and Yala provinces in southern Thailand. General Kitti Rattanachaya, a former Thai army commander in the south and now stated to be a government security adviser, was quoted by the media on January 8, 2004, as saying that an organisation called the Gerakan Mujahideen Islam Pattani, with links to Al Qaeda and the JI, was responsible for the recent wave of attacks. According to him, of the Muslim extremists from South-East Asia, who had participated in the jihad against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan, "the Indonesians formed the Jemaah Islamiah, the Malaysians formed the KMM (Kampulan Mujahideen Malaysia) and the Thais quietly formed the Mujahideen Pattani." He said that the professional nature of the attacks - which included co-ordinated arson on several schools and an arms depot raid - indicated that the gunmen had outside help, "possibly from the Kampulan Mujahideen Malaysia".

As mentioned in my assessment of the Bali explosion, "among the foreign nationals who fought in the International Islamic Front as members of its Pakistani components were American Muslims (mostly Afro-Americans), nationals/residents of West European countries, Thais, Malaysians, Singaporeans, who projected themselves as Malays from Malaysia, and Indonesians. Their total number was estimated to be about 200. Practically all of them had been recruited by HUM, HUJI and Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET) teams, which went to these countries posing as preachers of the Tablighi Jamaat (TJ), brought them to Pakistan and trained them in the various madrassas with funds provided by the TJ and then taken to Afghanistan to get jihad inoculation.
The Deobandi jihadi outfits recruit many of their members from the TJ, which is a prosyletising organisation that has millions of members. It is an easy way for Jihadis to slip into other countries and recruit from amongst the faithful.
Evidence available so far indicates that while the terrorists from Malaysia and possibly Singapore were trained in the headquarters of the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM) in the Binori madrassa complex in Karachi, those from Indonesia were trained in the Muridke complex of the LET, near Lahore. The HUM had always been training the recruits from Southern Philippines and Myanmar, in addition to those from Xinjiang, Chechnya, Dagestan and the Central Asian Republics. The HUJI trains those from Bangladesh."

Reports received after the arrest of Hambali’s brother Gungun and some of the Malaysian and Indonesian students studying in two madrassas of Karachi, one of them run by the LET, in September indicated that the IIF has asked the HUJI branch in Bangladesh identified as HUJI (B) to take over the responsibility for the future training of recruits from S.E.Asia. The HUJI (B) already has a long-established training infrastructure in BD and it is likely to play an increasingly important role in the provision of training and other facilities to the jihadi terrorists of S.E.Asia, including Thailand.
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Key separatists met in Malaysia before attack
Key southern separatists met in a border area in Malaysia’s Kedah state opposite Yala’s Betong district before launching coordinated attacks in Narathiwat on Sunday, security sources said yesterday. Leading members of the mainstream Pattani United Liberation Organisation (Pulo), including Marzo Tar-yeh and Ruzdi Pao-zeng, and several members of other splinter separatist groups met at Ban Su-ngai Pattani, about 20km from the Thai-Malaysian border. Betong is known to be under Marzo Tar-yeh’s influence. Local security sources strongly believe his men were directly involved in Wednesday’s armed attack on the Ayer Weng police station.

The government’s new security adviser, former Fourth Army commander Gen Kitti Rattanachaya, also believes local separatists have received support from the Kampulan Mujahideen Malaysia (KMM), a Malaysia-based Islamic militant group known to have ties with the Indonesia-based Jemaah Islamiyaah (JI). "Leading separatists from several splinter groups had joined forces under the umbrella of Bersatu in the coordinated attacks on Sunday," one security source said. Bersatu is an outlawed separatist organisation born out of the merger of insurgent groups such as the BRN (Barisa Revolusi Nasional), GMIP (Gerakan Mujahideen Islam Patani) and Pulo. The source said Bersatu had between 10-20 core leaders and was known to give southern Muslim youths guerrilla warefare training. It was an ``open secret’’ that several leading separatists were taking refuge in Malaysia’s border areas with protection from local Islamic religious leaders.
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"Analysts" say al-Qaeda not behind Thai violence
Rooters uses scare quotes, after all, so why can’t we?
A wave of violence in mainly Muslim southern Thailand is inspired by money and nationalism and shows scant evidence of links to a wider network with Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda and its Jemaah Islamiah Asian affiliate, analysts say.
Did they show you their analyst licenses? That sounds like a pretty blanket statement to make a week after the attack, and in the teeth of contrary claims by other people who should be in a position to know. But then, they're not "analysts."
They say the violence, part of an insurgency that has simmered for decades, nevertheless presents a disturbing challenge to a government so far spared the unrest that troubles such neighbours as Indonesia and the Philippines.
I'd call Thailand's government lots of things, but "oppressive" isn't one of them...
"As far as I’m concerned there is no concrete evidence of links between these groups and international terrorism," says Steve Wilford of Control Risks Group in Singapore.
"Lies! All lies!"
"Their modus operandi -attacking army depots and schools- is not a similar MO to other groups attacking Western targets," he says.
Since when is attacking Western targets a prerequisite for being al-Qaeda? Most of Pakistani, Algerian, and Yemeni nuts who form the bulk of bin Laden’s legions have never shot at a kufr in their lives, that’s for the cream of the crop. They’re more interested in overthrowing or co-opting their own governments so that they can then fight the West.
You'd expect them to attack army depots early in an insurrection to collect arms, especially with a border that's relatively controlled. And shooting up schools is a hallmark of the Taliban — where it's rumored (see the very next sentence) that the bad guys involved got their training.
Analysts say it is possible that several of those involved in the latest violence gained their spurs in Afghanistan, but discount any close links with al Qaeda.
The lack of close links is like due to the fact that the connection is that of a subsidiary routed through a subsidiary before it reaches the Thai gunnies. From al-Qaeda to JI to the KMM to the Thai Mujahideen.
The choice of targets was a crucial clue to the motives of the Thai insurgents and to their absence of real ties to al Qaeda, which is blamed for the September 11, 2001, attacks, and to Jemaah Islamiah (JI)- accused of the October 2002 Bali bombings. "There are plenty of foreigners in the south but they don’t target Westerners," says Andrew Tan of the Institute of Defence and Strategic Studies in Singapore.
Neither did the Chechens at first. Give them time.
Thailand was stunned by Sunday’s coordinated raid on an army weapons depot, and the killing of four soldiers, and arson attacks on 21 schools. Schools have long been a target of Muslim, Malay-speaking rebels, who see them as symbols of the rule of the mostly-Buddhist country’s central government. "If al Qaeda were linked you would see use of sophisticated materials and the schools wouldn’t just be torched but blown up with the pupils inside," Tan says.
Maybe it’s just a sign at the kind of inept stooges willing to sign on to its Thai branch instead?
Except that it looks like the schools were torched as a diversion. And the students in a Muslim-majority area would have been their own kiddies...
Some Thai officials take a different view.
So do me and Fred, incidentally ...
General Kitti Rattanachaya, a former army commander in the south and now a government security adviser, says links between militants in the region went back to the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, when many foreign Muslims joined the mujahideen. "Those people helped in the war, returned home and set up JI in Indonesia," and groups in Malaysia and Thailand, he says.
Pretty simple, huh?
But Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra says the attackers are mainly involved with crime, arms smuggling and narcotics and "commuted" between Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia.
So is Abu Sayyaf. What’s his point?
Tan cited the failure of al Qaeda, and JI, to gain ground with separatists in Indonesia’s Aceh region, or among the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) in the southern Philippines, which has instead opposed involvement in a wider war.
I’ll have some of whatever he’s having.
"When you look at al Qaeda attempts to penetrate separatist movements in Asia they have met only limited success," he says. "Al Qaeda thought they could spread their radical message among Muslims eager to rebel in Asia, but these movements are not interested in wider war." The Thai insurgents may draw inspiration from such groups as al Qaeda and JI but are not believed to share similar goals, let alone financing or training facilities.
Once they're under way, the money will roll in. The training facilities will be made available. And the goals always involve a caliphate.
"They get indirect inspiration through media and information on TV and in the press," says Surin Pitsuwan, a former foreign minister and now an opposition member of parliament from southern Thailand. "They could draw inspiration from the regional environment and from far away, the Middle East and South Asia. But I doubt very much there’s external involvement."
Not like in Cambodia, for instance...
Suggestions the insurgents get support from fellow Muslims in Malaysia receive some credence, but even there officials say the backing is probably limited by cooperation between the two governments and the weakness of Malaysian groups. "We did not see any strong links between the group in southern Thailand and the JI, but some individuals gave assistance to JI fugitives, like Hambali," says a Malaysian security official. While fraternity existed between the religious movement in southern Thailand and the Muslims across the border in northeast Kelantan state, Malaysian security services had discovered no more sinister links, the official says. "The Thai separatist movement has always been nationalistic in origin," says Tan. "The goal is not a separate Muslim state; the goal is union with Malaysia."
And then Malaysia as part of the caliphate...
Analysts say the insurgency began in the 1970s, reflecting discrimination by the Thai government that had seen a shift in the last two decades but which could have been revived amid the economic difficulties engendered since the 1997 financial crisis. The violence has sparked fears of a revived insurgency in the south, home to most of Thailand’s six million Muslims, about 10% of the total population. The combination of economic problems and religious inspiration from returnees from Afghanistan was potent. "There are similarities with the Abu Sayyaf group, from the point of using religion and ideology as a vehicle for crime," says Wilford, referring to the southern Philippine Muslim group that has increasingly turned to kidnapping and other violent crimes to make money rather than pursue a separate state.
Except Abu Sayyaf seems to be a part-time job for MILF gunnies when they aren’t out jihading and Abu Sayyaf also works for Binny and gets its cash from his bro-in-law.
"But I don’t think these groups have the broad popular support structure, numbers or motivation to assume a scale to be a deep embarrassment to the government," Wilford says.
None of which are needed to qualify as a terrorist organization, incidentally. November 17 was just one crazy family.
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The women of JI
Mira Augustina married her husband the same day she met him. It was the first time he had proposed, by way of the 21-year-old’s father. "We met at nine o’clock in the morning. We talked a little, and then he asked if I wanted to be his wife. And by 6pm we were married. Oh yes, it was a very happy day for me," Augustina said. Augustina was told her husband was an Indonesian named Mohammed Asseqof. In fact, authorities say he was an Iraqi man with a Kuwaiti passport named Omar al-Faruq, and he was reportedly a key link between al-Qaeda and the regional militant network, Jemaah Islamiah (JI), which has been blamed for the Bali bombing.
Interesting. Al-Farouk is normally identified as a Kuwaiti, this is the first time I’d seen him mentioned as an Iraqi. Where’d he get the passport?
Augustina’s father, an alleged arms runner, introduced al-Faruq to JI activists, as well as to his daughter. Al-Faruq was captured last year, and the CIA removed him from Indonesia. His wife and their two daughters haven’t seen him since. Augustina said she was only now coming to terms with who her husband really was, and what her marriage did to help Jemaah Islamiah. "The marriage alliances are the glue that holds the organisation together. said Sidney Jones of the International Crisis Group in Jakarta. "Oftentimes senior members of the organisation will offer their sisters or sisters-in-law to new and promising recruits, so that not only is someone drawn into the organisation, but they’re drawn into the family at the same time.
More family affairs, what a surprise ...
"They’ve been in control of finances in some cases. They play a role as couriers, in ensuring that, particularly after imprisonment, communication among different members of the organisation is maintained," Ms Jones said. She said the women of Jemaah Islamiah for the most part remain behind the scenes. "It’s not a role in actively taking part in bombing activities, the way some of the women in Chechnya or in Sri Lanka have done. It’s more ensuring that the organization stays solid."

One Malaysian family illustrates this more than any other. The father trained in Afghanistan in the late 1980s, where he probably met the men who would later marry two of his daughters. One daughter, Paridah Binti Abas, is married to Ali Gufron, also known as Mukhlas, who was recently convicted of masterminding the 2002 Bali bombing. Paridah was pregnant with her sixth child when Ali Gufron was arrested in 2002. When their son was born, the couple decided to name him after one of their heroes, Osama. To meet Paridah now is to meet only a pair of eyes. the rest of her face is covered. She wears a black veil, a black tunic, black pants, black socks, and black sports sandals. Paridah comes from a middle class Malaysian family. She attended high school, and is fluent in Arabic and English. "I love books. Sometimes I read the books four or five times," she said. Paridah admits that her husband wanted to teach Bali tourists a lesson about their evil ways. But she says he didn’t mean to kill so many people. Unlike Mira Augustina, Paridah seems to have known what her husband was doing all along. She says even her young children support him. "They are convinced that their father is a mujahid, not a terrorist. They said actually Indonesia must say thank you to my father, they said, because he showed us that Bali is full of influence of ’ma’sia’... ’bad things’."

Paridah had a comfortable childhood, but her husband Ali Gufron grew up in a poor village. He became a preacher and fled to Afghanistan to fight for a better life. Paridah now lives in that village, far from Indonesia’s capital, Jakarta. There, her ailing father-in-law and mother-in-law occupy a humble shack. They are parents to three men who have been found guilty of carrying out the Bali bombing - Ali Gufron and his younger two brothers, Amrozi and Ali Imron. "When people knocked on the door to ask me questions I didn’t answer. I just kept quiet and hoped that they would leave. But the people are still coming. And I keep telling them that I don’t know anything, I don’t know anything," said Ali Gufron’s mother.

But Sidney Jones said such women often are aware of their male relative’s activities. "The women have to know everything that’s going on because their husbands are meeting with people on a regular basis. And oftentimes, given the way that the family structure works, the women would be actively involved in helping serve the guests," she said. The fate of Mira Augustina’s husband Omar al-Faruq is uncertain. All that is known is he is still being detained by the CIA.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/10/2004 12:12:02 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Looks they have a solution for the problem of inbreeding: marry jihadis instead of cousins.
Posted by: JFM || 01/10/2004 1:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Hey, when is Playboy gonna come out with their The women of JI issue?
Posted by: ed || 01/11/2004 15:47 Comments || Top||


Muslim activist arrested in East Java for JI links
Indonesian police arrested a Muslim activist Friday and were questioning him over possible ties to two key Al-Qaeda-linked terrorists wanted for their suspected roles in the Bali and J.W. Marriott bombings, an official said. The man, identified as Adi Sunarya, was arrested near his house in the East Java capital of Surabaya, said Brig. Gen. Pranowo Dahlan. Pranowo wouldn’t give details of Sunarya’s suspected connections to Azahari bin Husin and Noordin Mohammed Top, two of Southeast Asia’s most wanted terrorists. Both men are believed to have played roles in the October 2002 Bali nightclub bombings, which killed 202 people, and the Aug. 5 bombing of the J.W. Marriott hotel, which killed 12. Sunarya ``is now being interrogated,’’ said Pranowo, head of the police anti-terror department. ``The questioning is focusing on his possible link with Dr. Azahari and Noordin,’’ he said. He added, however, that ``it is too early to say that he is a member’’ of Jemaah Islamiyah - the Al-Qaeda-linked terror group blamed for the Bali and Marriott bombings. He also declined to say where Sunarya, an activist with a Surabaya mosque, was being detained.
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Home Front
Scott Ritter at it again...
The former chief United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq and an outspoken critic of the Bush administration told 800 Central New York high school students Friday the United States abandoned the principles of the United Nations to launch an illegal war on Iraq. Scott Ritter predicted a bad ending of the current effort for the United States, Iraq and the world. "The U.S. will not prevail in Iraq," he said. "The U.S. will lose this war." Ritter was the keynote speaker at the 21st annual Central New York Model United Nations Conference continuing through today at Syracuse University. Thirty-eight high schools sent delegations who will play the role of international diplomats representing foreign countries in a variety of simulated U.N. activities. Ritter urged them to play by the rules of the United Nations during the conference and insisted that their elected representatives do the same when the students are eligible to vote.
Posted by: TS || 01/10/2004 8:04:12 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  that guy should work in a circus-as a clown,i just hope the students realise what a mung he is
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 20:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Why, of course the US ignored the UN in regard to Iraq. Our country does not require permission to defend itself! If we had played by Kofi's rules, there would be several more smoking holes and thousands more dead and injured in New York and DC!
Posted by: Jack Deth || 01/10/2004 20:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Someone REALLY should point out to the officials of that high school that Ritter and teenage girls are a bad mix.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/10/2004 21:27 Comments || Top||

#4  >> ""The U.S. will not prevail in Iraq," he said. "The U.S. will lose this war." <<

That had to go over well. ::rolls eyes:: I wonder if any of the poor kids in the audience had relatives on the ground in Iraq.

Ritter is a tool. He probably wants in on some of the Michael Moore action. Or maybe he's just that dumb. Because that's worse than predicting the Arizona Cardinals will win the SuperBowl next year.
Posted by: g wiz || 01/10/2004 22:26 Comments || Top||

#5  The former chief United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq and an outspoken critic of the Bush administration told 800 Central New York high school students Friday the United States abandoned the principles of the United Nations to launch an illegal war on Iraq.

What in heaven's name is this suspected pedo doing around high school kids?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/10/2004 22:29 Comments || Top||

#6  BAR he likes speaking to an older crowd.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 23:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Scott,

Saddam's gone. You can lay off the Shtick. Or, are Saddam's henchmen holding your 9 year old "bride" hostage.
Posted by: ed || 01/11/2004 0:35 Comments || Top||


Latin America
"Women in Prison" Movie Apparently Being Filmed in Ecuador
About 20 women inmates stripped off clothing Friday and protested from their prison roof, claiming they’ve been held for more than a year without trial and should be freed.
Nervous guards could be heard screaming, "Hey! ix-nay on the aked-nay! You want the warden to start asking questions?"
"We want a hearing. We are demanding our rights. We want freedom," Cinthia Perez said as she covered herself with a towel.
"We want... We demand..." They must be married women.
The protest began at around noon when the women forced their way through the security screen of a window and scrambled to the roof. They set ablaze tires found on the roof, sending up plumes of black smoke that attracted the attention of passers-by.
I don’t know about you, but I keep rubber tires and combustable materials on the roof of my home all the time.
The four-hour protest was peaceful and prison officials eventually allowed reporters in to speak to the women, five of whom were nude and the others in various stages of undress.
Reporters from three continents showed up. There were fist-fights over who was allowed to do the interviews.
Protester Martha Sanchez said the group had decided to stage the demonstration "so that the authorities see to what point we will go."
Oh, this is too cheap even for me...
The women claimed that under Ecuadorean law, people accused of crimes cannot be held for more than a year without trial.
Hey! A reasonable point to this story!
National Prison Director Fernando Cassis told reporters Friday the Supreme Justice Court would address their claims.
"Anything! Just put your damn clothes on!"
Posted by: Patrick Phillips || 01/10/2004 1:37:37 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They're lucky they're in South America. In a Muslim country, they'd be dead already just for showing their knees.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/10/2004 13:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Ahhh, those equatorial climates, just makes you want to take off all your clothes.
¡Salsa!
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 01/10/2004 14:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah Robert, and if in US the women could get liberated by baring it all off eh ... oh yeah.... I luv the Florida Nude Beach :P
Posted by: Faisal || 01/10/2004 15:43 Comments || Top||

#4  I have no doubt that you do, Faisal.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/10/2004 16:50 Comments || Top||

#5  Held without trial, I'm waiting with baited breath for all the protestors to equate Ecuadors government with the NAZIs and blame Ashcroft somehow.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/10/2004 18:10 Comments || Top||

#6  I am waiting to see Faisel's comments to the other story about Pakistan imprisoning rape victims. I am sure that it will be full of wisdom and reason.
Posted by: Sue Bob || 01/10/2004 18:40 Comments || Top||


Iran
Rafsanjani sez its all Bush’s fault
Iran’s influential former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said today US President George W. Bush’s repeated accusations against Iran had undermined a possible thaw in the decades-old enmity between the two nations. Speaking at Friday prayers in Tehran, Rafsanjani said Tehran was encouraged by US humanitarian relief to victims of the devastating earthquake in Bam on December 26 and a US proposal for a first public official visit to Iran in over two decades. “Our initial analysis was that they wanted to pave the way for negotiations and resolving the problems,” Rafsanjani said in a sermon broadcast live on state radio. “Their main mistake was that Bush started to repeat the old allegations about Iran and weapons of mass destruction, terrorism, human rights and the West Asia conflict... If you want to extend a hand of friendship and a new approach, you shouldn’t repeat the old words,” said Rafsanjani, who analysts say remains a key player in Iran’s foreign policy.

He was referring to comments on January 1 by Bush, who, while praising Tehran for allowing US humanitarian aid to be sent to the people of Bam, reiterated long-standing accusations that led him to label Iran an “axis of evil” member in 2002. “The Iranian government must listen to the voices of those who long for freedom, must turn over al Qaida (members) that are in their custody and must abandon their nuclear weapons programme,” Bush said.

Rafsanjani today said a French government plan to ban Islamic headscarves from public schools was an insult to all Muslims and hinted the move may harm France’s ties with Iran. “I hope the French government and (President Jacques) Chirac himself, as well as the French parliament understand they have insulted one and half billion Muslims,” Rafsanjani said.
Seethe and be damned.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/10/2004 12:23:46 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  “Their main mistake was that Bush started to repeat the old allegations about Iran and weapons of mass destruction, terrorism, human rights and the West Asia conflict..."

The only mistake made by administration officials was in thinking that any improvement in relations is possible while Iran's mullahs are still in power.

“I hope the French government and (President Jacques) Chirac himself, as well as the French parliament understand they have insulted one and half billion Muslims,” Rafsanjani said during prayers in Tehran.

Tough shit. They passed the law, and the citizens have to obey it. If they don't like it, well, there's no wall keeping them there.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/10/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#2  oh well let the fuck wit whine, who's concerned what this clown has to say anyway.A 'Thaw' in relationships would only prolonged the situation out there.I say keep the pressure on these fools and if they don't give up thier weapons turn Iran into one big Bam.
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 14:59 Comments || Top||

#3  they should bury this corrupt bazarri mullah in pistaccio nuts along with his whole corrupt family--bush will talk to them when they find the hidden imam
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 01/10/2004 21:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Rafsanjani said Tehran was encouraged by US humanitarian relief to victims of the devastating earthquake in Bam on December 26...

"They were acting like such good little dhimmis..."
Posted by: Pappy || 01/10/2004 22:20 Comments || Top||


Africa: West
Hunters Kill 7 Islamic Radicals
Hunters in Borno State have shot dead seven Islamic radicals who were fleeing a military crackdown on a group inspired by the Afghan Taliban militia. On Tuesday, 13 members of the Muhajirun sect arrived in the village of Sandiya in the state, preaching and demanding transport after their vehicle broke down, villagers said. They shot dead the leader of a local group of hunters, triggering a bloody confrontation in which seven of the Islamic gang were shot dead. The remaining six fled into the bush. Police in the Borno State capital, Maiduguri, yesterday showed journalists seven bodies and 13 seized AK-47 assault rifles.
Their arrogance was exceeded only by their stupidity. I like it.
Posted by: TS || 01/10/2004 10:48:49 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Shooting at armed guys who are familiar with their guns is never a good idea, especially when your car is broken down.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 01/10/2004 12:02 Comments || Top||

#2  "Elk Hunters" meet the real thing.
Posted by: Crescend || 01/10/2004 13:21 Comments || Top||

#3  I wonder if the turbans ever saw "Deliverance"?
Posted by: Mercutio || 01/10/2004 14:15 Comments || Top||

#4  Oh Mercutio, that is too cool!

I would have thought they would have dashed off into the bush after them and got a full house? Oh well, better luck next time...
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 01/10/2004 14:32 Comments || Top||

#5  hope they catch the other 6 fuck nozzels before they kill any more innocents,be nice if they died a horrible death after fleeing into the bush-do they have lions out there? if not they should get some and send them after them,crocs too.
Posted by: Jon Shep || 01/10/2004 15:01 Comments || Top||

#6  7 bodies, 6 fleeing turbans, 13 dropped AKs. The jungle is not a friendly place to be unarmed. Sheesh. City boys.
Posted by: ed || 01/10/2004 23:28 Comments || Top||


Home Front
We already had a Kucinich — Who needed Clark?
In his National Review article "Journalism’s standards, Clark’s standards, hope for the future —..." Jay Nordlinger pans Clark and the media. Slightly edited and still a little long, Fred, but I hate to interupt a man when he’s having fun. Here’s the Clark part:
Gen. Wesley Clark....is more appalling than most people know, I think: utterly scoundrelly on the stump. We think of Kucinich, Sharpton, and Moseley Braun as the fringe candidates. But have you gotten a strong whiff of Wes Clark? Pretty fringy, actually.

The general has told us, "I’m one of those people who doesn’t believe in occupying countries to extract their natural resources. I think you buy them on the world market." Because, as you all know, the United States is in Iraq to extract their oil, and not buy it on the world market. You did know that, didn’t you? Haven’t you read your Noam Chomsky, or the speeches of Wesley Clark?

Clark is almost never "credited" with being as flaky and offensive as he is. He repeatedly charges President Bush with personal culpability in the death of 3,000 people on September 11. He completely exonerates the Clinton administration, saying that it had no time to do anything about al Qaeda (seriously). He claims that the Iraq war was a great diversion from our alleged failures against al Qaeda, and that this diversion was the trick of "neocons."

Check out Clark: "I suspect [Bush’s] advisers said, ’Now, Mr. President, you know, there’s no guarantee we could ever get [bin Laden]. You know, it’s, you know, you ought to go somewhere, you know, go somewhere easy, do something easy like taking care of Saddam Hussein, and he’s probably connected . . .’"

Wait a second: Saddam was supposed to be easy? What happened to quagmire? But that’s another point altogether.

I give you some more Clark, from just the other day, with Chris Matthews: "Ultimately, all of this was passed through a political filter. Karl Rove — he passed judgment on it. He even sent out, apparently, a memo back in early 2002, saying ’George W. Bush is going to run on his war record.’" Asked whether the president was spilling American blood for electoral advantage, Clark answered, "I can’t say that. I can’t prove it."

"I can’t prove it"? Whatever kind of campaign Clark is running, it is not honorable, in my view. And, by the way, why should a senseless war be popular — give a president electoral advantage, instead of disadvantage?

In his few months as a candidate, Clark has become famous, or infamous, for his stunning about-faces. Examples abound. For instance, he once praised Bush and his national-security team in lavish terms. When Bush tabbed Donald Rumsfeld to be SecDef, Clark said, "I think it’s an inspired choice. He’s got great experience. He’s got great international stature. He knows the issues." Etc. But as a candidate, Clark pronounced Rumsfeld a horrible choice. Why? Because the secretary is not "up to speed on the way the world has changed since the end of the Cold War."

That’s a funny criticism to make, given that Rumsfeld has been in the forefront of military reform (whether he is correct in his views or not — and I think he is). Usually he’s scored for going too fast or too incautiously — for upsetting existing Pentagon structures. What’s more, Rumsfeld favors a radically different approach to terror and its state sponsors — different from the policies and attitudes of decades. In this, he is at one with Bush. Those two are faulted for being all too "up to speed on the way the world has changed" since the Cold War!

For good measure, Clark maintained that Rumsfeld "had to leak his own memo." This refers to the celebrated memorandum in which the secretary challenged his lieutenants on war strategy. When asked how he knew that the author himself had leaked the memo — which would have been monumentally uncharacteristic — Clark replied, "Well, that’s what the rumor is, and it’s been talked about on the Sunday talk shows."

Great.

Once upon a time, General Clark was a great fan and advocate of preemptive defense (as I explain in the magazine piece). But, boy, has he changed his tune, as a candidate. He admonished the Dem leadership in Congress: "Let’s see you take apart that doctrine of preemption now! I don’t think we can wait until November of 2004 to change the administration on this threat. We’re marching into another military campaign in the Middle East. We need to stop it."

Hang on — what does that last part mean? "Another military campaign" that "we need to stop"? Ah, that’s a further piece of Clarkian darkness. The general has spoken of a secret list — drawn up by "neocons," of course — spelling out countries to be invaded. As our careful and honorable general says, "You only have to listen to the gossip around Washington and to hear what the neoconservatives are saying, and you will get a flavor of this."

In September ’02 — when Clark was in what seemed like support-the-war mode — he said the following about Saddam Hussein: "He is not only malevolent and violent, but also unpredictable. He retains his chemical- and biological-warfare capabilities and is actively pursuing nuclear capabilities." As a candidate, a year later, he said, "What I was calling for at the time, to justify the urgency the president felt, was a smoking gun."

But preemptive action is in conflict with a smoking gun. The whole idea — as Clark once grasped and articulated — is that you strike before your enemy’s gun goes off.

It should shock no one that a general (or a presidential contender) is a bit vain. But General Clark seems to sort of abuse the privilege. There’s stuff like, "If I’d been president, I would have had Osama bin Laden by this time." And his arrogance is clumsy. For example, in a television interview, when he was acknowledging a previous "bobble," he said, "I don’t want to give any excuses for this. A Rhodes scholar is not ever supposed to make a mistake." Uh, did you know he was a Rhodes scholar? Now you do!

In my opinion, the worst thing Clark has done is accuse President Bush of dishonoring — yes, you heard that right — dishonoring fallen American soldiers. Said Clark, "[The administration] is trying to dishonor the very Americans who are over there serving and fighting and dying by not letting us welcome the remains back home."

Now, this refers to the fact that the administration is continuing a 14-year-old policy of not permitting media coverage at Dover Air Base, when soldiers’ coffins arrive from abroad. You may disagree with this policy, but there are reasons for it, and no one — least of all the President of the United States — is "trying to dishonor" our dead. And no American is prohibited from "welcoming the remains back home." People in cities, towns, and hamlets all across the country have. Families can decide for themselves whether they want TV cameras graveside. I imagine some do, some don’t.

Clark has also said, "We’ve got a president who will go halfway around the world for a photo opportunity [this presumably refers to Bush’s visit with the troops at Thanksgiving] but won’t go halfway across town for a funeral for an American serviceman." Also: "We have an American president who visits the families of bereaved Britons [while in England] and won’t visit our own families in this country." Bush has met with families privately — but he refuses to make a show of it, respecting the gravity of our situation, and his duties as commander-in-chief.

Look: Even if you think George W. Bush is dead wrong about the War on Terror, and about Iraq in particular, you should know that his motives are sincere — and that he has the deepest respect for the men and women who serve. Anyone awake must see that. It takes a real ignoramus or creep to miss it. And Wesley Clark gives me the heebie-jeebies.

I mind it less from Dennis Kucinich, or from some campus paranoid and blowhard. But from a decorated general like Clark — very hard to take. He might have brought sobriety, clear-headedness, and honor to the Democratic race. He did not. We already had a Kucinich — or several. Who needed Clark?/BLOCKQUOTE>
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 01/10/2004 4:45:08 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm not an American and don't normally comment on american politics, but I also find Wesley Clark creepy. Lacking both credibility and judgement. I keep thinking of the the British generals comment to him in Kosovo ' Do you want to start world war III?'
Posted by: phil_b || 01/10/2004 7:31 Comments || Top||

#2  ’George W. Bush is going to run on his war record.’"

There other examples of Clark hipocrisy,but this one stands-out.

Most of Clark's campaign adds are based on his war record.
Posted by: raptor || 01/10/2004 9:21 Comments || Top||

#3 
I'm not an American and don't normally comment on american politics
Don't let that stop you, phil_b - jump right in.

I am an American, and I see Clark as a prissy, self-centered, egotistical opportunist who's letting himself be used as a front for the Clintons. You know, the Clintons who fired him from his NATO command? And yet, he continues to lick their... um, boots. Creepy is a nice word for him.

I wonder if anyone's told him that he's personally responsible for his campaign debts if he doesn't raise enough money to cover them? What, you think the Clintoons will pay for them? Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/10/2004 9:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Gen. Clark makes me nervous.... but to be fair so does his Republican counterpart... the right honorable Admiral McCain. I think they're both border-line psycos.

I'd vote for Powell or Schwartzkoff tho... And way O/T I hear B-1 Bob is considering running again... is he really a Black Ace?
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 9:32 Comments || Top||

#5  And before you ask, yes, I spelled "Clintoons" correctly. :-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/10/2004 9:33 Comments || Top||

#6  ...I know folks who worked for Weasely. Even the most liberal of them took out Republican party cards when they found out he was running for President.
And McCain isn't that bad of a guy either, but his problem is that he's too much like his father and grandfather - hardchargers who never learned the word 'no'.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 01/10/2004 10:11 Comments || Top||

#7  MK Grandfather?
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 10:58 Comments || Top||

#8  Shipman:

Adm. John Sidney McCain Sr., the senator's grandfather, was an aviator who earned his wings at the late age of 52 and commanded Adm. William "Bull" Halsey's famed fast carrier task force in the Pacific. Immediately after the Japanese surrender, he returned to California and, at a family welcoming-home party, collapsed and died. He was renowned "as one of the Navy's best plain and fancy cussers." He smoked (rolling Bull Durham cigarettes with one hand), drank and gambled at every opportunity -- a colorful man and a respected leader.

The senator's father, Adm. John Sidney McCain Jr., was a World War II submariner awarded the Navy Cross. He would go on to become commander in chief of Pacific forces, known as CINC-PAC, a position he assumed in the summer of 1968 as his son reposed in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" prison, having been shot down and severely injured in a raid on the North Vietnamese capital.


(cribbed from an on-line review of "Faith of my Fathers")
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/10/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#9  Barbara, if he runs short of cash his book will go top ten as unkown folks can buy it, at retail, by the bushel. HILLARY has been doing that. O'Rielly is shouting about this and he's probably right. Campaign tricksters.
Posted by: Lucky || 01/10/2004 12:22 Comments || Top||

#10  Clintoon...as in Poltroon?
Posted by: Sgt.D.T. || 01/10/2004 12:44 Comments || Top||

#11  Didn't "Fort Worthless" Jim Wright lose his house speaker job over a similar ruse?
Newt Grinrich. Call your office.

Also, I forgot to tip the hat to Andrew Sullivan for pointing out this article.
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 01/10/2004 13:22 Comments || Top||

#12  For the record, phil_b, remember that Gen. [ret] Tommy Franks (CDRCENTCOM) explicitly refused to support Clark, and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Hugh Shelton explicitly said that Clark was relieved early "for questions of integrity and character" -- one of the most damning indictments of Clark's fitness to be in the US Army ...
Posted by: Lu Baihu || 01/10/2004 14:35 Comments || Top||

#13  Thanks anon... thought TF 38 McCain was his father.... not grandfather.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 14:39 Comments || Top||

#14  The problem with Clark is that he takes after his semi-namesake from the last war, Gen. Mark Clark.

Like Mark Clark, he's more worried about his place in the history books than he is about the people around him. Mark Clark screwed up the invasion of Italy because he was afraid that Patton and MacArthur would get all the glory before HE could grab a share. Wesley Clark is much the same.

His first, last, and ONLY priority is his personal fame and glory. All else comes a distant second to that goal. And if that means screwing over the little people, his thoughts on the matter run something along the lines of "Hey, they should be GLAD that I'm allowing them the honor of dying for me!"

Hell, in the service, the general attitude among the enlisted (I know, I was there) was that the man's only true love was his reflection in the mirror.

Ed.
Posted by: Ed Becerra || 01/10/2004 20:26 Comments || Top||

#15  clark IS gen. jack d. ripper from dr. strangelove
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 01/10/2004 21:39 Comments || Top||

#16  Hell Son of Tolui I was all set to vote against Clark till you mentioned Gen. Ripper. :)
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 23:22 Comments || Top||

#17  Retired U.S. General H. Hugh Shelton, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:

"I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."
Posted by: ed || 01/11/2004 0:40 Comments || Top||


Mehalba Asks for Bail
A former Guantanamo Bay translator arrested last fall with classified documents in his luggage asked a judge Friday to release him on bond while he awaits trial. Judge Charles Swartwood did not make an immediate ruling and continued the hearing to Feb. 26.
Bail? BAIL?
Ahmed Fathy Mehalba, 31, has been held without bail since he was arrested Sept. 29 at Boston’s Logan International Airport after a visit to his native Egypt. Customs agents found 132 compact discs in his luggage, including one that contained hundreds of classified documents labeled "SECRET," according to a government affidavit. Mehalba has pleaded innocent to charges of gathering, transmitting or losing defense information and making false statements. Prosecutors say Mehalba lied to federal investigators when he told them he was not carrying any government documents from Guantanamo.
Kinda hard to deny it when the goods are in your briefcase...
If convicted, Mehalba faces a sentence of up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine on the defense information charge, and a sentence of up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine on each of two false statements charges.
Wonder how many false passports and Kruggerrands Ahmed has stashed for a flight to Damascus?
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Latin America
Cuba Tightens Its Control Over Internet
Cuba tightened its controls over the Internet on Friday, prohibiting access over the low-cost government phone service most ordinary citizens have at home.
They had any in the first place?
The move could affect hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Cubans who illegally access the Internet from their homes, using computers and Internet accounts they have borrowed or purchased on the black market. Cuba’s communist government already heavily controls access to the Internet. Cubans must have government permission to use the Web legally and most don’t, although many can access international e-mail and a more limited government-controlled intranet at government jobs and schools.
There goes any new pics of Salma Hayek.
Now Cubans will need additional approval to access via the nation’s regular phone service. Since few Cubans are authorized to use the Internet from home - only some doctors and key government officials - the new law amounts to a crackdown on decent, peaceful people illegal users. The law states that the move is necessary to "regulate dial-up access to Internet navigation service, adopting measures that help protect against the taking of passwords, malicious acts, and the fraudulent and unauthorized use of this service."
I bet they’ll still get ads for penis enlargement.
Cheeze. I can barely lift this thing anymore...
As for foreign firms and individuals, most are authorized to use the Internet in Cuba, usually via a more expensive telephone service charged in American dollars and already off limits to most Cubans.
Communist Manifesto at work!
E-net, the Internet service of the Cuban telephone company Etecsa, told customers in a letter Friday the new law would take effect late Saturday. It affects all other Internet service providers in Cuba as well. E-net is the largest of a handful of Internet providers in Cuba - all of them heavily monitored and controlled by the government. E-net customers who do not have the dollar phone service can keep accessing the Internet with the ordinary phone service with special cards sold at Etecsa offices, the letter says.
With a careful record of names and phone numbers. Wonder if this will generate a blip over at the Democratic Underground?
Posted by: Steve White || 01/10/2004 12:56:52 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  With a careful record of names and phone numbers. Wonder if this will generate a blip over at the Democratic Underground?

Doubtful. The DU will just pull that new meme of theirs out of storage. You know, the one about the "common man" being "too stupid" to be able to or trusted to vote?

If they even comment on it at all - which I doubt - someone will no doubt deliver a speech/screed on how the average Cuban citizen is too stupid and has been too polluted by American popular culture to be trusted to use the Internet safely, and how the common rabble must be monitored for their own safety.

Ed.
Posted by: Ed Becerra || 01/10/2004 3:03 Comments || Top||

#2  I say we place a big-ass dish in Key West, aim it south, and parachute in tons of wireless routers over Cuba. (BTW, this isn't a novel idea. One of the upcoming tech things this year will be a transmitter that will deliver the internet over a 30-mile radius.)
Posted by: Rafael || 01/10/2004 7:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Jeez. Rafael... that's not a bad idea. It's an easy thing to do, especially on a small scale. Say around Habana and Santiago... Bad news is most PCs in Cuba are pre-pci. So gonna need to comeup with a heap of ISI wirecards... ;)
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 9:49 Comments || Top||

#4  Congratulations, Steve, in doubting that most Cubans have access to a "low-cost telephone service." In fact, only about 1% of Cubans have access to phones, and those who have access are screened for political desirability (the screening is far from perfect, however.) And, oh yes, this is NOT a political development in Cuba, but a technological one. Castro has always wanted absolute control over everything. It seems only now he got access to the technology to increase control over the internet.
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/10/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Why would we need to set up the Internet link for Cuba on Key West?

Guantanamo Bay, folks. That's where we should start providing the Cubans with free Internet access.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/10/2004 10:43 Comments || Top||

#6  RC, Yep. And Blimps.... Never forget the blimps.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#7  WiFi out of Guantanamo, exactly. Maybe collect old laptops, jam a card in them, and give them to anyone who wants one. Cause a silicon revolution down there.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 01/10/2004 12:15 Comments || Top||

#8  Fidel's been paying attention to what Papa UN is trying to do.
Posted by: Charles || 01/10/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#9  Maybe collect old laptops, jam a card in them, and give them to anyone who wants one. Cause a silicon revolution down there.

Old? No way. We're all good Americans here. Let's do a contract with Dell for 1 million laptops with decent a decent battery and the Trafilo Stevenson screensaver. 1 billion $. Deliver via C-17 for an additional $200 per. Cost for receivers 1.2 billion $. Throw in a billion $ for blimps and wireless towers and viola Revolution!
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 14:51 Comments || Top||

#10  BTW, this isn't a novel idea. One of the upcoming tech things this year will be a transmitter that will deliver the internet over a 30-mile radius.

Upcoming?! Already in place, and been there for some time, Raf. Out here on the rural Colorado plains, the local ISP has been offering (for at least three years now) Fixed Wireless Broadband using standard WiFi cards and _directional_ antennas that give a range of about 20 miles.
I pay $35 a month, and get a 256 kilobit connection (uplink AND down, a total bandwidth of 512K).

For just $25, you get a 128K connection. (still, almost three times faster than a phone line.)

And you can MAKE a directional antenna out of a Pringles can, as Bob Cringley has pointed out several times on his PBS column.

I'm not sure of the ultimate range, but I suspect it's somewhere between 20 and 30 miles. The ONLY problem I see here is the old one.. radio direction finding. A few trucks with RDF gear, and Der Bearded One could track down folks violating his internet ban. Dangerous, that.

Ed.

(Oh, if anyone's interested, my ISP once published a map of my local area, showing just how much of it they could reach with Fixed Wireless Internet. Impressively sized chunk o' land. I'd be happy to share the pic.)
Posted by: Ed Becerra || 01/10/2004 15:17 Comments || Top||

#11  Go ahead.
I live in Rural Arizona,all I can get is is ph. lines.On a good day I get 21,500 k./
Posted by: raptor || 01/10/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#12  I don't know how to get the photo onto Ranburg, Raptor, but if you're interested, the ISP just up the road from where I live, KCI.net, has a web page detailing all the glories of Fixed Wireless Internet, with a FAQ file, minimum system requirements, and whatnot. You can drop by and take a look, maybe get a feel for what's required.

You can see it here, at http://www.kci.net/ .

(posted as link and as text, just in case I bork this post.)

Who knows, once you get the info, maybe you can bully someone at your ISP to look into providing the service. The startup costs a bit, you have to buy the wireless card and a directional antenna, but hey, I can testify that it's worth every penny!

Ed.

Posted by: Ed Becerra || 01/10/2004 20:47 Comments || Top||


Africa: Central
LRA high command bombed, 2 top commanders killed
THE UPDF air raid in which two senior LRA rebel officers were killed on Monday, was an attack on a top rebel commanders’ meeting. The jungle meeting at the confluence of River Aswa and River Agago was to be chaired by "Brig" Vincent Otti, the vice-chairman of the Lord’s Resistance Movement/Army. Other top LRA commanders were Abudema, Ras Bogi and Yardin Nyeko. The army identified one of the two dead officers as Lt. Col. Opio Makasi.
Oh, no! Not Opie! Aunt Bea will be devastated...
Nine other rebels were killed in the fierce ground and air bombing attack on Monday morning. "Vincent Otti is a high value target, number two after Joseph Kony. If he has lost two commanders and is seriously beaten in a battle, then really the end is in sight," said a top army source yesterday. "After Tabuley was killed, Otti said he would regroup and fight back but now he is on the run and has been getting terrible knocks. Kony has told him to embark on massive abductions to replenish their forces but he has been unsuccessful. Now it is the dry season and they are just trying to survive in Gulu after they retreated from Teso and Lango," the source said. He said Kony had returned to the Sudanese camp of Lubangatek with around 20 people to try and retrieve arms and resume contacts with his former suppliers in Sudan.
Trying to bum some arms and ammunition from the Darfur camel jockeys?
The army spokesman, Major Shaban Bantariza, said prior to the battle, the army had received information that the rebel high command was meeting to plan to loot more food before heading to Sudan to re-arm themselves. "Of recent, the rebels have been unsuccessful in looting food yet they are planning to return to Sudan with as much food and as many captives as possible. This is why the rebels were meeting," Bantariza said. On the high death rate of rebels, Bantariza said, "unlike in the past, the rebels now move in larger groups to protect themselves and their commanders. This gives us a chance to kill them in larger numbers."
That's where The Plane proves its value...
Since December 31, 2003, 39 Kony rebels have been killed, the army said. During the attack, the army captured 18 rebels, rescued 20 child captives and recovered two guns with 200 bullets, according to the 5th division spokesperson, Lt. Chris Magezi. Other equipment included one bomb of a B-10 gun, eight anti-personnel mines, two G2 guns, one grenade launcher, one RPG pipe and one solar panel. Meanwhile, four rebels yesterday surrendered in Oryang, five kilometres southeast of Kitgum town.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/10/2004 12:52:25 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...former dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 19921.

I think it's supposed to be "Emperor Shaddam IV in 10191." :)

Seriously, I wonder if the best course of action with ex-Somalia would be to recognize Somaliland, Puntland, and any other nickel-and-dime operation that at least functions like a proper nation-state -- just make it conditional on not sheltering the local gunnies. I honestly don't know. To quote Liam Neeson as Oskar Schindler, "It's giving me a headache!"
Posted by: Dan (not Darling) || 01/10/2004 0:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Not a bad idea, but add the requirement that they also have to play nice with each other. Somaliland and Puntland have had troubles with that.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/10/2004 1:09 Comments || Top||

#3  LOL, another Dune fan!

I think you've got a pretty good idea, provided, as you said, the local strongmen are at the very least competent. The problem is that the warlords of Somaliland and Puntland, while marginally more stable than the rest of that hell-hole, still leave most of the country in anarchy or in the hands of local gunnies who are more bandits than anything else (a charge that could also be tossed at the warlords, but at least they pretend to be legitimate in order to maintain their African street cred).
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/10/2004 1:14 Comments || Top||

#4  Hmmm, my comments have turned nomadic. Oh well. Uganda, Somalia, what's a continent between friends? Just as long as they stay under "East Africa."
Posted by: Dan (not Darling) || 01/10/2004 1:30 Comments || Top||

#5  "I will not fear,fear is the mind-killer.Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.I will face my fear and let it pass through me.When it has passed I will turn around and there will be nothing"

Orange Catholic Bible:Littany aginst fear.
Posted by: raptor || 01/10/2004 8:45 Comments || Top||

#6  O'Lord protect us from the little orangemen.
And them Greenies what go knock in the nite.
From all manner of horned and winged beasties.
From Democrats and Socialists of all stripes.
From the Taxeman and his kin.
Protect us O'Lord.

Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 9:13 Comments || Top||


Latin America
Colombian Rebel Killed in Army Shootout
A rebel suspected of killing a Japanese hostage last year died in a shootout with the Colombian army outside the capital Friday, the army said.
Well, fair's fair...
The rebel, identified only by his nom de guerre "Jeremias," is a divisional commander of the nation’s largest rebel group, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, said army Gen. Hernando Ortiz. Chikao Muramatsu, an executive with auto parts maker Yazaki Corp., was killed Nov. 24 after being held hostage by the FARC for more than 2 1/2 years. Jeremias is said to be the rebel who shot Muramatsu multiple times.
Columbians did us all a service, then.
Jeremias’ death means his FARC division in the central state of Cundinamarca, known as the 22nd Front, "has been almost entirely dismantled," Ortiz said. Cundinamarca is just outside Bogota.
Columbians seems to have nailed several FARC biggies lately. Wonder if Hector the Weasel has been talking?
Military operations against Jeremias’ forces intensified last year after the Japanese government asked President Alvaro Uribe to personally ensure that those responsible for Muramatsu’s death were brought to justice.
Refreshing to see a government stick up for its citizens abroad. Take note, Canada.
Jeremias and another FARC rebel died in a rural area outside the town of Villeta, 30 miles west of Bogota, the army said. Information from area residents led army troops to the rebels’ whereabouts.
"Muchos gracias, Hector."
"Si, el Jefe, por favor no me mate!"
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Africa: Central
Ugandan military waxes 14 LRA
The Uganda People’s Defense Forces (UPDF) has killed 14 Lord’s Resistance Army rebels in Kitgum district, northern Uganda, reported government-owned newspaper The New Vision on Friday. UPDF spokesman for the 5th division Chris Magezi said on Thursday that the rebels were killed in an ambush in Orom sub-county in Chua county on Wednesday. "Some of the rebels who escaped the ambush and attempted to loot Orom trading center were repulsed by the Karimojong warriors," Magezi said.
You don't mess with the Karimojong warriors. I saw that movie...
Magezi said they recovered arms and ammunition from the rebels. "The strength of the rebels could not be established by the time we ambushed them," he said. Meanwhile, the spokesman also said another rebel was shot dead at Lapekok in Pader district in northern Uganda. Magezi said this brings to 29 the number of rebels killed in the three days in Kitgum and Pader districts.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/10/2004 12:49:16 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Great!
14 'rebels' killed and no weapons recovered. Conclusion: All unarmed abducted children
Posted by: Mark || 01/12/2004 7:20 Comments || Top||


Africa: East
Museveni tells Somali warlords to stop fighting and create a decent state
Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni, injecting momentum into flagging Somali peace talks, won a pledge on Friday from a key faction leader to try to end a boycott of the negotiations by several powerful warlords. By turns scolding and cajoling an array of militia chiefs involved in years of blood-letting, Museveni deployed the rhetoric of black African nationalism to call for an end to political rivalries blocking efforts to end a decade of chaos. "We did not kick out the Europeans in order to deny our people their right to govern themselves," Museveni said in rousing address to a gathering of warlords from the ruined Horn of Africa country. "To be governed by guns, this is a mockery of our independence."

War and famine have killed hundreds of thousands of people in the past decade in the country of more than seven million, which has been torn apart by rival clan militias since the overthrow of former dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 19921 [sic]. Museveni flew to Nairobi to try to breathe new life into the more than year-old negotiations in his capacity as chairman of a regional peacemaking body called the Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD). "What is happening in Somalia is a slow genocide because when children are not immunised for 10 years, what does it mean? It means you are destroying a generation of young people in Somalia," Museveni, himself a former guerrilla leader, said.

Museveni secured a pledge by Abdiqassim Salad Hassan, head of a defunct interim government whose mandate expired last year, to try to persuade a group of warlords based in southern Somalia to end a boycott of the peace talks in Kenya. "Now we are on the right truck," said Abdiqassim after private talks with Museveni, hugging some of his fiercest political enemies as delegates sang and shrieked with joy.

"Enough is enough, this is the time to stop these warlords," said one delegate, Asha Ahmed Abdalla. "The people who are dying are the poor children in Somalia. This is reconciliation, we have to forget and forgive." Abdiqassim is an occasional ally of the faction leaders he has promised to bring to the gathering in Kenya, sharing their opposition to what they say are efforts by neighbouring Ethiopia to use the negotiations to install a client regime in Mogadishu.
I'm a little confused as to how that'd be worse than what they have now...
Ethiopia, the dominant military power in the Horn and a historic foe of Somalia, denies the allegation.
"No, no! Certainly not!"
The leaders Abdiqassim will now contact include some of the country’s most powerful military leaders, including top Mogadishu warlords Osman Ali Ato and Muse Sudi Yalahow. A rival group of leaders who have continued to press ahead with the talks in Kenya includes Ethiopia ally Abdullahi Yusuf, de facto leader of the northerly breakaway region of Puntland. The meeting is now supposed to move to Kenya’s coastal city of Mombasa.
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#1  Senseless, hopeless and brutal. Remove the tribes and make it a world eco-park.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 9:16 Comments || Top||


Korea
U.S. Delegation Visits N. Korean Nukes
An unofficial delegation of Americans who visited North Korea said Saturday they saw the country’s disputed Yongbyong nuclear facility. The five-member American delegation was allowed to see all of the sites they had requested, said one member, John W. Lewis, a Stanford University professor emeritus of international relations.
Did we happen to include any inspectors or nuclear physicists among them?
"We did go to Yongbyon," Lewis told reporters after arriving at Beijing’s Capital Airport from Pyongyang. He was referring to the nuclear facility that has been closed to outsiders since North Korea expelled U.N. inspectors at the end of 2002. However, the Americans said they wouldn’t give any more details about the visit, which began Tuesday, until two delegation members who are on the staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee had reported to Washington.
Any chance either of them was a trained inspector?
Lewis stressed that the trip was a private effort aimed at improving understanding of North Korean issues. "We are a private delegation," he said. "We were not there to negotiate. We were not there to be inspectors."
Let’s hope that’s just a weak attempt at cover.
North Korea has been under international pressure to give up its nuclear weapons programs. But the communist regime is digging in with its hardline rhetoric, heralding tough negotiations. On Friday, the communist state said that it would be prudent foolish for the United States to expect it to follow the example of "some Middle East countries," an apparent reference to Libya’s decision to renounce weapons of mass destruction.
No probs, back to "engaged apathy" it is.
A North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman hinted that the recent decisions by Libya and Iran to allow intrusive inspections of their suspected weapons programs would not affect its strategy. "The United States is hyping recent developments in some Middle East countries, the cases orchestrated by itself," the spokesman said, without citing Libya and Iran by name. "It is seized with hallucination that the same would happen on the Korean Peninsula and some countries echo this ’hope’ and ’expect’ some change."
Generally, a diet deficient in calories and protein makes you hallucinate. You were saying something?
In comments carried by North Korea’s official KCNA news agency, he said North Korea "has never been influenced by others and this will not happen in the future."
Except for that time the Chinese turned off the oil pipeline. As an example.
"To expect any ’change’ from the DPRK stand is as foolish as expecting a shower from clear sky," the spokesman said.
Dang! He finally said something I agree with!
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Africa: East
US says Darfur fighting threatens peace deal
There is growing concern in Washington that fighting in Sudan’s western Darfur region may complicate the final drive for an agreement ending that country’s north-south civil war. A senior State Department official says the United States is pressing the Khartoum government to find a political solution to the Darfur conflict. The Bush administration has been heavily involved in efforts to end the 20-year-old Sudanese war, and has offered to bring the leaders of the two sides in the negotiations to a White House event to celebrate an eventual agreement. But a senior State Department officials said Friday that if the fighting in western Sudan cannot be ended peacefully, and soon, it will tarnish a north-south peace accord and call into question the durability of any commitments included in it.
I think they recognize that both sides have a bad habit of violating such agreements, though Omar seems to have his sights set on oppressing Darfur and targeting Eritrea with his new-found buddies for the time being.
The senior official, who spoke to reporters on condition he not be named, said Secretary of State Powell has raised Darfur in recent telephone talks with the chief negotiators in the north-south peace talks saying it calls into question their promises to end the broader civil war.
Can't say I've been overimpressed by Omar's word on anything...
He said both the Khartoum government and the southern rebel movement, the SPLA, have contributed to the local crisis. He said the SPLA initially trained the Darfur rebels, while faulting the government for pursuing a military, rather than a political, solution to the conflict.
Who was it that trained the Arab camel jockeys, I wonder? And who's arming them?
He also said the principles in the nearly-completed north-south peace accord which include wealth sharing and a period of autonomy for the south, are "easily transferable" to Darfur.
I doubt if Omar's going to go for the possibility of both the south and the west breaking off and going their own ways...
Secretary of State Powell visited the Sudan peace talks in Kenya in October and secured a pledge from the parties at the time to try to complete a peace accord by the end of 2003.
That pledge was worth the paper it was written on. And it was verbal.
They failed to reach that target, but did announce an agreement on sharing the country’s oil wealth earlier this week. The senior official said the remaining issues, including power-sharing and the status of three disputed regions in central Sudan, are difficult. But he said U.S. officials were none-the-less still hopeful the process can be completed before President Bush’s State of the Union address to Congress January 20.
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Sudanese refugees report continued killing and looting by Arab militias
Newly arrived Sudanese refugees in eastern Chad report that marauding militia groups are continuing to burn, loot and empty entire villages in the Darfur region of western Sudan in a conflict that has sent an estimated 95,000 people fleeing across the border since early last year. Hundreds of thousands of others are believed to be displaced inside Darfur. A UNHCR emergency team in the northeast Chad region of Birak yesterday visited Djoran, one of many makeshift refugee sites along the insecure border between the two countries. There are an estimated 40,000 refugees now in the northeast border region.

Around Djoran itself, 15 kms from the Sudanese border, there are between 4,000 and 8,000 refugees living in extremely precarious conditions. They have built hundreds of flimsy shelters made of branches and grass. The huts are usually no more than 2 or 3 square meters and often house entire familes, averaging around five children each. The huts offer minimal protection from the sun and almost none from the cold nighttime temperatures which can plunge to as low as 4 degrees C. The semi-arid Djoran area sits at an elevation of about 1,000 meters, so it can get quite cold and windy. Some recently arrived refugees have no shelter at all and sleep rough in the bush. Most of the Djoran refugees arrived with little or nothing. UNHCR’s border team staff say some have been in the area since July and were initially living on handouts from the local population, particularly those in the nearby village of Bali. Many of the Sudanese refugees and the local Chadian population are members of the same Djobal, Eranga or Zaghawa tribes. Medical assistance is being provided by MSF-Belgium. A refugee elder who fled to Djoran in August said there are 20 to 30 new arrivals daily at his makeshift camp and reported there had been increasing attacks by Sudanese militia groups on villages across the border over the past 10 days.

UNHCR interviewed some of the recently arrived refugees, all of whom gave similar accounts of their flight: Militia men - known as the Janjaweed — attack villages, first shooting people caught in the streets. The attacks usually start early in the morning, around 6 a.m. The militia then raid village houses, stealing everything, including livestock. A refugee from the Sudanese village of Garuma, 20 kms from the border with Chad, said that a week ago, 150 militiamen arrived on horses and camels in the village. He fled with his pregnant wife and their five children to hide in the surrounding hills, where his wife gave birth one day after they fled. The militia then set a bush fire on the hill and he and his family escaped to another hill. He said the entire population of Garuma, about 2,000 people, fled the village and either moved to other nearby villages or crossed the border to Chad. The man, who fled to Chad on a donkey, said his wife and children are still hiding in the hills in Sudan because he wanted to check conditions in Djoran before bringing them across the border.

Another refugee, who arrived on the site on Wednesday, said she fled with her five children after the militia attacked Garuma and killed her father in his hut. She said the militia killed several men, sending others fleeing into nearby hills with their livestock. The woman said her own husband had left several weeks ago to seek work in another part of Sudan. The refugee elder and others in Djoran also told of reports of rape and the abduction of women and girls by the militia groups. These reports cannot be confirmed as humanitarian agencies are not able to work in Darfur.

An estimated 95,000 Sudanese have fled to eastern Chad since early last year - 30,000 in December alone. They are now scattered along a 600-km stretch of remote borderland in dozens of makeshift camps that are still vulnerable to periodic raids by marauding militia groups from Sudan. UNHCR plans to begin an emergency relocation of tens of thousands of refugees away from the border starting next week. It will begin with a transfer to a new site at Farchana, east of the town of Abeche and about 55 kms from the border. UNHCR and local Chadian authorities are also in the process of identifying more sites, which must be at least 50 kms from the volatile border. Finding sites with enough water is a major problem. We hope to get as many refugees as possible relocated before the rainy season starts in mid-May, when sandy roads will be impassable for heavy trucks.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/10/2004 12:34:08 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  UNHCR interviewed some of the recently arrived refugees, all of whom gave similar accounts of their flight:

No doubt this will lead to a strongly written denunciation from Kofi any day week month now.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/10/2004 13:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Strongly worded message of denounciation and conciliation coming from Cyprus in 5.....4.....3....2.....uh......now?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/10/2004 13:52 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Libya Signs $170M Jet Bombing Settlement
In another move to improve ties with the West, Libya signed a $170 million compensation accord Friday with families of victims of a French passenger jet bombing 15 years ago. Libya’s promise to pay represents another move by Muammar Gadhafi to shed his nation’s image as a rogue state. Last month, Libya renounced weapons of mass destruction and opened weapons productions facilities to international inspectors. The compensation deal, following years of painstaking negotiations, was signed in Paris by the director of a foundation run by Gadhafi’s son and a negotiator for the families.
This supplants the original payments the French decided were too miserly only after the Lockerbee accord was reached.
French President Jacques Chirac hailed the agreement, expressing "hope that 2004 will be the year of a resumption of cordial and confident relations between Libya and France."
Gaullic chicanery wins again. Sigh.
France will now work with Gadhafi’s government to fight terrorism and will favor its normalization of ties with the European Union, French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said at a news conference with his Libyan counterpart, Abdel-Rahman Shalqam.
Q-man, a tip: keep the French at arms length.
Applause broke out after the signing of papers to seal the private deal between the group of victims’ families and the Gadhafi International Association for Charitable Organizations, headed by Gadhafi’s son, Seif el-Islam. "I’m certain this will open a new page in Libya’s foreign relations," said Saleh Abdul Salam, the Gadhafi foundation’s director. Guillaume Denoix de Saint Marc, who represents the families, said they were "satisfied" with the accord. Not all details were disclosed in full.
The French government’s cut, for example.
"The Libyan government has finally recovered its honor," said Denoix de Saint Marc, who lost his father in the bombing for which six Libyans - including a brother-in-law of Gadhafi - were convicted in absentia by a French court. They remain at large.
Would have been better than the money to get these six behind bars, but of course the French didn’t think of that in the negotiations.
Abdul Salam, speaking with reporters, said Libya "is certain about the innocence of the six convicted Libyans." He said the accord was "essentially done to get the monkey off our backs on a humanitarian basis." The victims’ families were expected to create a foundation to distribute the funds among themselves, but the cash is not expected to start flowing for six months. However, a check for $42.5 million was handed over Friday, Denoix de Saint Marc said. While the deal is private, France was in the wings overseeing developments.
Just as I thought. Families will get money sometime well in the future, French get their cut now.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/10/2004 12:31:20 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This phrase "The Libyan government has finally recovered its honor," just seems to get my goat.

The French government agreed a certain sum a while back (can't remember how much), presumably Libyan honour was recovered then? However, the Lockerbie payout was considerably more (again no details from me I'm afraid) and all bets were off until more moolah was put on the table.

Dunno, it just stinks to me, but then a lot of inter-governmental relations stink.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 01/10/2004 4:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Good for France.
Just remember it's our oil and stay away from Wheelus.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/10/2004 9:19 Comments || Top||

#3  I Libya pays in Euro's. With any luck, it will be the final edge to pushing the 'EU' economy over the edge.

Is it wrong to hope for something like this?
Posted by: Charles || 01/10/2004 12:49 Comments || Top||

#4  No Charles, nothing wrong with that. I'm also looking forward to the total meltdown of the euro (and the EU of course).
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 01/10/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||


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Caucasus Corpse Count
Seven Russian soldiers were killed in rebel attacks in 24 hours as fighting persisted in the breakaway region of Chechnya, a regional official said Friday. Two of the soldiers died when a military convoy was set on fire near the village of Nozhai-Yurt, said an official in the Moscow-backed Chechen administration, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/10/2004 12:29:10 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


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Soddy indicted for terrorism
A Saudi national was indicted for allegedly distributing funds to terrorist groups and for seeking to recruit potential terror operatives. Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, 34, was arrested in the north-western state of Idaho on February 26, 2003 for visa violations and has been in US custody since. An Idaho grand jury charged him "with providing material support to terrorism," US Attorney Tom Moss said in a statement. The indictment claims, among other charges, that Al-Hussayen helped support terrorist networks through his involvement with the Islamic Assembly of North America (IANA) in Detroit, Michigan. IANA is being investigated by federal authorities.

Internet postings by Al-Hussayen included instructions on how to train at a "terrorist camp," and he appealed to Muslims in the US military to identify potential American targets in the Middle East, according to the indictment. The charges will be filed against Al-Hussayen in federal court in Boise, Idaho, on Monday morning. Al-Hussayen is charged with supporting terrorism through the operation and control of several internet websites, and through his work for the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, a Saudi-based technology company called Dar Al-Asr, and two radical Saudi sheikhs.

The indictment says Al-Hussayen knew his services were being rendered to raise money to finance terrorist acts in Israel, Chechnya and "elsewhere." One count says he helped moderate an e-mail group of some 2,400 people to whom he appealed to "fight the idolator with your money, yourselves, your tongues and your prayers." In his alleged appeal to Muslim members of the US military deployed in the Middle East, Al-Hussayen sought potential terrorist targets that included military installations, ammunition dumps, and the facilities of American oil groups. "The posting also urged an attack on a particular high-ranking American military officer," according to the indictment.

Al-Hussayen is alleged to have received and disbursed out of his bank accounts more than $US300,000 ($A387,797) in excess of the study-related funds he received from the Saudi government, much of which was paid to IANA for salaries, travel and other operational expenses, the indictment said. The charge added that one website he ran also carried solicitations for the Islamic Resistance Movement, or Hamas, which is designated a "Foreign Terrorist Organisation" by the US State Department. The government said Al-Hussayen could face up to 15 years in prison if convicted.
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Africa: East
Fazul Abdullah Mohammed’s undercover career in Kenya
When Fazul Abdullah Mohammed showed up in this little fishing village, there was already a local soccer club - and its name was al-Qaeda. Not content to join a team others had started, the alleged mastermind of two terrorist bombings in East Africa organised his own. Its name - Kabul, like the capital of Afghanistan, where he allegedly trained with Osama bin Laden’s real al-Qaeda organisation.

All along Kenya’s Indian Ocean coast, al-Qaeda members have woven themselves into the fabric of the region’s Islamic society. Using money to buy the allegiance of poor Muslims or passing themselves off as simple men looking for a quiet place to lead a devout life, the operatives have managed to build a formidable network throughout eastern Africa. Foreigners like Fazul, who is wanted by the United States for the car bombings of the US Embassy in Nairobi in August 1998 and a coastal hotel in November 2002, settled in small towns and married local women. Kenyans like Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, who is suspected of building the bomb used in the hotel attack, sought out like-minded compatriots in the thousands of mosques that dot the coast. Hundreds of new al-Qaeda members have been recruited, and most remain at large - including Fazul and Nabhan - despite stepped-up anti-terrorism efforts, said US Marine Brigadier General Martin Robeson, commander of the regional US-led anti-terror task force based in nearby Djibouti. "We know for a fact of young al-Qaeda operatives who’ve moved into areas, put large sums of money on the table to marry local girls, purely and simply to establish a bloodline and a financial obligation they seek to turn into a guarantee of a safe place to live," he said.

In general, the Islamic terror network has not found legions of Muslims in Kenya who share its religious views. For centuries, a relatively liberal and mystical brand of Islam has dominated on the coast, not the rigid interpretation promoted by al-Qaeda. But al-Qaeda operatives have found Muslims resentful in the East African country, not just over calamities across the larger Islamic world, but also over discrimination - real and perceived - at home. In its drive to recruit, al-Qaeda has exploited the resentment Kenyan Muslims feel toward their government, which since independence in 1963 has been dominated by Christians from inland tribes and has had strong ties to the United States and Israel. Al-Qaida "has corrupted some of our young people," said Sheikh Ali Shee, a prominent religious leader in the Indian Ocean port of Mombasa. "We were not always like this ... we have a history of openness."

The coast’s distinctive Arab flavour - the region has absorbed waves of immigrants from Yemen and Oman over the centuries - has also made fitting in easy for Arabs operatives, like Mustafa Mohamed Fadhil, an Egyptian who married a Kenyan teenager and is wanted by the United States for his alleged role in the embassy bombing. Kenya’s notoriously weak security forces, coupled with the historically poor relations between the police and coastal Muslims, has allowed al-Qaeda operatives to work undetected. In Siyu, Fazul had been hiding in plain sight. He was relatively unknown to US and Kenyan officials before the 1998 car bombings of the US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, attacks that killed 231 people, including 12 Americans. But within months of that attack, Fazul was indicted by a US court that later convicted four other suspects. Since the indictment, Fazul’s face has been plastered on the walls of Kenyan police stations; he also has a $25m bounty on his head. Yet in January 2001, using the alias "Abdul Karim," he showed up with a group of itinerant preachers at Siyu, a village of mud and stone houses on Pate Island, about 275km) north of Mombasa. Fazul settled down with the family of a village elder, Mohammed Kubwa Seif, eventually marrying the man’s daughter, Amina. A native of the Comoros, an archipelago off the coast of Mozambique, Fazul spoke the local language, Kiswahili, and knew the coast’s Islamic culture.

Yet even in Siyu, his religious fundamentalism stood out. Fazul "didn’t want us praying near graves or celebrating the Prophet’s birthday" - two common Muslim practices on the coast, said Mohammed Ali, a fisherman. "Most people ignored him."

The police did, too. "I met him once," said Majid Hussein, a police officer in the nearby town of Lamu. "He was walking around reading from a little Quran ... I thought he was just another one of these wandering preachers." Fazul wasn’t. And Kenyan officials say some people in town may have been paying attention to what he was saying: Seif has been charged by a Kenyan court with conspiracy to commit murder for his alleged role in four al-Qaeda plots, including the embassy bombing and the 2002 hotel bombing north of Mombasa, an attack that killed 15 people, including three Israeli tourists. Seif’s son, Kubwa Mohammed, has been charged with murder in connection with the hotel attack.

It’s not clear whether Fazul put down any money to establish a safe haven in Siyu, but he apparently felt the village was a safe place to hide. Following the hotel attack, he spent another two months in Siyu, disappearing only last January. However, he reportedly slipped back into Mombasa in May, prompting a round of terror alerts from the United States and Britain. US and Kenyan officials believe he’s still in the region, probably in Kenya or Somalia.

Nabhan, who has not been charged with any crimes, also figured into the May terror warnings. The Kenyan is believed to have joined al-Qaeda after the 1998 embassy bombing and was the alleged ringleader of a plot to destroy the new US Embassy in Nairobi this past June. Raised in a relatively well-off Mombasa family, Nabhan regularly frequented the central Noor Mosque, which attracts poorer Muslims, in the two years before the 2002 hotel attack, said Abdullah, an elderly man at the mosque. Nabhan "was well-dressed, clean-shaven, very polite," said Abdullah, who gave only a first name. "Very quiet, very simple - he just prayed."

But Ibrahim, a 19-year-old Somali immigrant who also worships at the mosque, said Nabhan often preached to the younger Muslims. An illegal immigrant, Ibrahim spoke on the condition that only his first name be used. Nabhan, he said, "explained America, Israel are what? They are enemies. He said we must do what? We must destroy them." It’s not clear whether Nabhan, who in the fall of 2002 rented a house in Mombasa where police say the car bomb used in the hotel attack was made, first met another Kenyan al-Qaeda suspect - Salmin Mohammed Khamis - at the Noor mosque. But when Khamis was arrested on June 17, he reportedly told police that Nabhan invited him to a secret al-Qaeda meeting a month earlier in Malindi, a town north of Mombasa, where the plot to destroy the new US Embassy was hatched. Like Fazul, Nabhan is also thought to be hiding in either Kenya or Somalia.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/10/2004 12:04:12 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They're like a cancer aren't they?

Up pops an al-Qaeda drone with lots of loot, a penchant for the ladies (something wrong there surely?) and you've got a "oops, there goes the neighbourhood" situation.

Thing is, we in the West know what to do with cancers.

Wasn't there a story a while back about special-ops guys in East Africa with 'terminate with extreme prejuice' orders?. Looks like the once peaceful village of Siyu should be on their itinerary.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 01/10/2004 4:37 Comments || Top||



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