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| Trump considers withdrawing 35,000 U.S. troops from Germany and redeploy them to Eastern Europe |
| 2025-03-08 |
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| Posted by:Fred |
| #29 What happened to the army base Poland was building to host American troops? |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2025-03-08 23:19 |
| #28 All that European money headed to Russia even since the 2022 invasion is enough of a Rubicon for me. |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2025-03-08 17:52 |
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| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2025-03-08 17:51 |
| #26 Had Germany paid its fair share Europe would be militarily strong, Putin would have not invaded Ukraine and the missiles would not have landed (using your logic). |
| Posted by: Ebbuger Whuque4103 2025-03-08 17:08 |
| #25 My take on the general issue: NATO and the Western alliance, informally including non NATO nations like Japan, Israel, Australia etc. went comatose or died many years ago. The West in general, including the US has become more similar to Russia, China and the Islamic world over the years. Obama and Biden were objectively much, much more pro Russian than Trump/45 looking at actual statements and policies. European, and especially German political class consensus has laid the strategic foundation for this Ukraine war, the foundation being Nordstream. I blame Schröder, Merkel and their enablers in all parties. When the Russians issued their ultimatum in December of 2021 after the technical completion of Nordstream 2 the Russians made clear that they were an adversary, not a partner, and that dependence on Russian energy was an unacceptable condition. The German government should have reacted to this by officially disbling Nordstream 2 on German territory and formally cancelling all Nordstream contracts. This might have prevented the war. The US treatment of Ukraine so far by Trump/47 is nearly as digusting as Europe's treatment of Israel after and because 10/7. The US meddled in the post-Soviet sphere in the 1990s, handing Russia the nuclear monopoly on a platter. Russia in turn, recognized its neighbors and the US and UK guaranteed the neighbors' territorial integrity. European political elites are palling around with genocidal, totalitarian theocrats and threaten the Israeli polity with the arrest of politicians who dare make decisions to defend Israel. If some Eurpean governments like Ireland and Spain had their way the objective consequence would be a real genocide of the Jews of Israel. Trump will be out of office in four years. President Newsom and VP AOC might then give the Ukraine treatment to Israel, South Korea, Taiwan etc. </rant> |
| Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-03-08 17:07 |
| #24 the U.S. military generates more than $4 billion in economic activity annually. That would be a LOT for Greenland. |
| Posted by: Skidmark 2025-03-08 13:59 |
| #23 ^Sounds like a typical report from Gaza. (I wonder if Ukrainians learned from Arabs, or "western" journalists write reports for both?) |
| Posted by: Grom the Affective 2025-03-08 13:14 |
| #22 "Two ballistic missiles hit the centre of Dobropillia in the eastern Donetsk region. Fire engulfed a five-storey apartment building. As emergency services arrived, Russia launched another strike on the same area. Eleven civilians were killed, with five children among the 30 injured." |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2025-03-08 12:15 |
| #21 "By asking the Germans to do their fair share the US has crossed the Rubicon?" No. By Washington now 'largely aligning' with Moscow's vision, as the Kremlin says. Russia launched a devastating attack on Ukraine on Saturday, killing at least 14 people and injuring dozens more, hours after Donald Trump defended Vladimir Putin and said the Kremlin leader was “doing what anybody would do”. That's the Rubicon. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2025-03-08 12:10 |
| #20 Bring them home. |
| Posted by: Crusader 2025-03-08 11:59 |
| #19 By asking the Germans to do their fair share the US has crossed the Rubicon? That kind of snotty European attitude makes it easier to leave NATO. |
| Posted by: Xyz 2025-03-08 11:26 |
| #18 "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow." - Lord Palmerston |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2025-03-08 10:26 |
| #17 #10: You forgot protecting the retaken Panama Canal Zone. 8^) |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2025-03-08 10:18 |
| #16 #15^ Not many left to take care of, just means more CONUS $$$$.☺ As I learned in 1st grade, you can't buy your friends, only bribe them to hang around. |
| Posted by: NN2N1 2025-03-08 09:05 |
| #15 "Then take care of our truthful friendly Allies in need, and only as needed." Denmark? Canada? |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2025-03-08 08:55 |
| #14 Since 2006, numbers of U.S. troops in Germany have dropped from 72,000 to 38,000 approx. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2025-03-08 08:49 |
| #13 Germany has been through this before. Back in the first half of the 1990s there were a great many American bases closed across the country — house rents in Bad Soden am Taunus went down by about 25%, if I recall correctly. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2025-03-08 08:40 |
| #12 EU spending . Between $81.6 billion and $122.4 Billion, is directed towards just the Europe Union Military Support and related issues. Then the US consumers spend $$$Billions on EU Economy made products. Then there are the EU jobs that are supported by the US $$$$ purchases and US travel activities. So I stand by America 1st. Then take care of our truthful friendly Allies in need, and only as needed. |
| Posted by: NN2N1 2025-03-08 08:27 |
| #11 US military presence in Rhineland-Palatinate generates an economic impact of 2.347 billion US dollars: 1.123 billion in wages and salaries that remain in the region, 400 million that are spent on construction, services, materials, procurement and equipment, and 824 million US dollars that flow into the region through indirectly created jobs. Extrapolated to the whole of Germany, the U.S. military generates more than $4 billion in economic activity annually. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2025-03-08 08:05 |
| #10 The EU has in as much been telling the US to screw off for years, that they can handle it themselves. So, bring the US Troops, families, US support staff, home and terminate the employed EU citizen staff. Use those US troops to guard the US borders & Greenland ☺. But! Does the EU and its citizenry fully understand the impact on their guarded sovereignty, safety, economic stability by doing this brings? Because, eliminating the roughly $100's of Billions DC spends in the EU and its private sector economy each year, will surely have a serious impact on the EU stability. Now add the estimated 10,000+/- US related EU jobs eliminated. Plus the elimination of the $$ Millions that always seem to find its way in to certain EU elite private pockets thru shell companies. Then there is the long kicked around, What If scenario. What will happen over the next in <10 years after the US leaves. As Russia, ISLAM/IRAN, and China well all be jockeying for influence, control and fighting over what was the EU. Remember French kicks us out back in 1968 look at the Socialist direction it took and the ISLAMIC problems it has had. The UK is what, 1 in 4 Islamic now? |
| Posted by: NN2N1 2025-03-08 07:39 |
| #9 Also known as advancing on Russia... |
| Posted by: badanov 2025-03-08 07:19 |
| #8 Will you carry Ramstein and Landstuhl to Poland? Some recent past experience in abandoning military bases. |
| Posted by: Skidmark 2025-03-08 06:50 |
| #7 Euro solutions for Euro problems. WWII ended 80 years ago. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2025-03-08 06:49 |
| #6 Should have left (or at least the vast majority of troops) once the Warsaw Pact fell. And I wouldn't send them to Polska, either. |
| Posted by: DooDahMan 2025-03-08 06:47 |
| #5 Your choice. Will you carry Ramstein and Landstuhl to Poland? Some loss for the local community in the Palatinate, but actually good for Germany's security, as the Russians will need to cross Poland first. There was a time I would have cared. No longer, sorry. You've crossed the Rubicon. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2025-03-08 06:44 |
| #4 Let's bring back "Amis raus". |
| Posted by: DooDahMan 2025-03-08 06:31 |
| #3 On which side? |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2025-03-08 06:19 |
| #2 There are reports that specifically a redeployment to Hungary is under consideration. In light of the official Russian demands from 2021 this would amount to a defiant diplomatic GFYS to Russia both from the Trump administration and Hungary. |
| Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-03-08 05:57 |
| #1 Or we could just bring them home. |
| Posted by: Crusader 2025-03-08 00:52 |