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Afghanistan
Trump’s refugee ban leaves 2,000 Afghan allies in limbo: Refugee Support Organization
2025-01-23
[KhaamaPress] The head of an organization assisting Afghan refugees, Shawn VanDiver, expressed concerns over President Trump’s executive order suspending refugee admissions. He noted that at least 2,000 eligible Afghan refugees, already approved by the U.S. government for resettlement, are now left in limbo.

A White House adviser, Tom Homan, stated that the Trump administration’s immigration policies, including the refugee program, are under review. He cited security concerns as a significant issue that needs to be addressed before continuing with the admissions process.

VanDiver, representing the Afghan Evac initiative, highlighted the plight of Afghan refugees who remain in hiding and uncertainty, particularly those who collaborated with the U.S. government during the Afghanistan war. He emphasized the urgent need to ensure their safety.

According to Trump’s new executive order, signed yesterday, refugee admissions have been suspended for at least 90 days starting January 27. During this period, the Departments of Homeland Security and State will evaluate whether the program serves U.S. interests.

Critics of the Biden administration, including Republican politicians, have accused it of mishandling the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. They argue that the failure to evacuate all Afghan allies has left many at risk of persecution and retribution from the Taliban
...mindless ferocity in a turban...
While over 180,000 Afghans have been evacuated to the U.S. since the withdrawal in August 2021, concerns persist over the fate of those still stranded in Afghanistan and Pakistain, as well as the security vetting process for those seeking resettlement.

Many stranded Afghans in Afghanistan and Pakistain are facing dire situations, including persecution, economic hardships, and fear of retaliation from the Taliban. These individuals, who risked their lives by working alongside U.S. forces, feel abandoned by the very government they supported.

With limited access to resources and international assistance, these individuals often resort to hiding, unable to lead normal lives due to constant threats. The prolonged uncertainty has exacerbated their suffering, leading to a worsening humanitarian crisis.
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Afghan Evac 06/14/2023 US Secretary of State signs MoU with Afghan Evac Coalition
Afghan Evac 08/26/2022 Marine wounded in Kabul suicide attack claims CIA WARNED them about bomber, watched him for two days and were told not to kill him in horrifying account of the blast that killed 13 US service members and hundreds of Afghans
Afghan Evac 05/12/2022 A British journalist who infiltrated a group for a @Channel4 documentary called “The Enemy Within: The Far-Right” was beaten by Antifa

Posted by:trailing wife

#10  I actually don't see complicated moral questions here.

The Afghans have shown us who they are during the time of the Islamic Republic 2001-2021.

From our point of view the Islamic Republic was an institutionalized murderous sociopathic abomination.

The Islamic Republic was committed to the abolition of Western civilization in the West. They didn't accept an arrangement of peaceful coexistence.

The West went into Afghanistan in the first place because of an heinous, treacherous mass fatality attack.

I do think that it was a grave mistake not to retaliate after 9/11 as this decision made sure that Western deterrence would erode, but that is a matter of judgment; opinions can differ.

I see absolutely no justification for collectively rewarding the Afghans in any way, shape or form.

There has been and there is a puzzling lack of outrage over the Afghans' disturbing and appalling behavior in Western public opinion.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2025-01-23 12:03  

#9  Limbo is a village in Afghanistan.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2025-01-23 11:57  

#8  ^No. They were just pretending.
Posted by: Grom the Affective   2025-01-23 11:37  

#7  Like Iran, Afghanistan has had Western-Civilization-compatible societies in the past, so there is hope that such could return, but 'we' can't impose it on them.
Posted by: Glenmore   2025-01-23 11:29  

#6  There are individuals who believe in the West and honestly tried to help us defeat the jihadis, and they and their families are at risk from the Taliban. There are plenty more who took advantage of the good paycheck. They’re also at risk from the Taliban unless they secretly helped the other side, which many did.

There are some ugly moral questions here. But regardless, we owe it to them and ourselves to make a decision about how we’re going to handle the situation so these people can get on with their lives, one way or another.
Posted by: trailing wife   2025-01-23 09:51  

#5  /\ Some cultures are simply incompatible with Western civilization and should not be disturbed. Afghanistan is one such culture.
Posted by: Besoeker   2025-01-23 07:30  

#4  From '01 to '21 the Afghans let us know in no uncertain terms that they not only rejected Western style freedom in Afghanistan but that they also wanted to abolish Western civilization globally.

The Afghans coming to the West see themselves as conquerors and subjugators, and any Western polity would be suicidally foolish to allow Afghan immigration.

The average Afghan might only have born limited responsibility for 9/11.

This could justify abstaining from collective punishment of Afghanistan as a whole, but it would be no justification for any form of collective reward.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2025-01-23 07:02  

#3  ...Afghan migrant behind fatal stabbing attack killing a child and a man in Germany
Posted by: Grom the Affective   2025-01-23 06:14  

#2  ^The question, IMO, "Can Afghans integrate into American society?".
Posted by: Grom the Affective   2025-01-23 06:05  

#1  The Afghanistan engagement was at best an amoral, realpolitik based temporary engagement with an "enemy-of-my-enemy."

This engagement ultimately ended in catastrophic failure and dangerously weakened Western deterrence.

Afghans who were in allegiance with the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan cannot logically be allies of Western nations since the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was a hostile and evil entity.

"Liberated Afghanistan's" redeeming quality was the more passive nature of its aggression compared to the Taliban, but in absolute terms its rejection of peaceful coexistence with Western nations made it an entity that was officially more hostile than the post-Stalin Soviet Union.

The West owes Afghanistan and the Afghan people nothing.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2025-01-23 05:37  

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