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The Grand Turk
Hamas officials booted by Qatar last week, now hosted in Turkey, diplomat says
2024-11-18
[IsraelTimes] Ankara, where many politburo members already live with their families, a practical landing spot after Doha pulls out of talks, but Turkey risks running afoul of Biden administration
"Biden Administration" LOL!
Senior members of Hamas
..a regional Iranian catspaw,...
’s abroad leadership left Qatar
...an emirate on the east coast of the Arabian Peninsula. It sits on some really productive gas and oil deposits, which produces the highest per capita income in the world. They piss it all away on religion, financing the Moslem Brotherhood and several al-Qaeda affiliates. Home of nutbag holy manYusuf al-Qaradawi...
last week for The Sick Man of Europe Turkey
...the only place on the face of the earth that misses the Ottoman Empire...
, an Arab diplomat told The Times of Israel on Sunday, after Doha said it was walking away from efforts to mediate an end to the war in Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with a rusty iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
The Arab diplomat, who spoke on condition of anonymity, downplayed the significance of the move for the terror group, stressing that Hamas’s leadership abroad already spends much of its time in Turkey when they are not holding meetings in Qatar.

The departure of Hamas’s senior politburo from Doha was first reported by Israel’s Kan public broadcaster.

On November 8, the US revealed that it had asked Qatar to oust Hamas officials from Doha, which has hosted an office for the terror group since 2012, reportedly at Washington’s urging. The US said it made the request after Hamas rejected repeated hostage deal proposals and executed six captives, including an American citizen.

The next day, Qatar said it had halted its mediation efforts and a diplomat familiar with the matter told The Times of Israel that Doha had asked Hamas leaders in late October to leave the country, though no timeline was mentioned.

Doha stressed at the time that its decision wasn’t necessarily permanent and that it would be prepared to resume mediation efforts if the sides were willing to negotiate in good faith toward a Gaza ceasefire and hostage release agreement.

According to the diplomat who spoke at the time, Qatar decided to push out Hamas’s big shots on its own after determining that neither side had been willing to engage seriously in negotiations.

Turkey offers a practical option for Hamas, given that the families of many of the terror group’s diaspora leadership live there.

However,
if you can't say something nice about a person some juicy gossip will go well...
by formally hosting senior Hamas members, Ankara risks tensions with the Biden administration, which said earlier this month that none of its allies should be hosting the terror group. US President-elect Donald Trump
...His ancestors didn't own any slaves...
is not expected to soften that stance when he enters office in January.

Ankara has played a nominal role in hostage talks to date, given its long-standing ties with Hamas officials. It remains to be seen whether Turkey will begin taking on a larger role in talks now that Qatar has taken a step back.

After Israel killed Hamas’s Gaza-based leader Yayha Sinwar in mid-October, the US expressed hope that it would lead to a breakthrough in negotiations for a ceasefire and hostage release deal, framing Sinwar as the main obstacle to an agreement.

Arab mediators Qatar and Egypt viewed the matter differently, acknowledging Sinwar’s uncompromising negotiating stances while also arguing that talks would be more difficult to hold without a centralized Hamas leadership, Arab and US officials told The Times of Israel.

Moreover, the Arab mediators have placed more blame on Israel than the US, noting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s refusal to agree to an open-ended ceasefire and full troop withdrawal, even in exchange for all remaining hostages. In July, the premier added new conditions to an Israeli truce offer after Hamas agreed to much of the proposal.

Netanyahu’s critics have accused him of prioritizing his own political survival over the lives of the hostages, given that his far-right coalition partners have threatened to bring down the government if he agrees to proposals floated thus far.

Others have argued that the offers discussed to date fall short of Israel’s demands and would leave Hamas intact in Gaza to some degree, leaving the threat to southern Israel in place.

Netanyahu held a meeting with government ministers and top defense officials Sunday night to discuss the hostage crisis. Security chiefs were reportedly expected to warn that Israel would need to show more flexibility in talks to free the hostages, who are facing dire conditions.

According to a poll aired by Channel 12 news last week, 69 percent of Israelis said they support a hostage deal that would end the war compared to 20% who prefer continuing fighting.

It is believed that 97 of the 251 hostages kidnapped by Hamas on October 7 remain in Gaza, including the bodies of at least 34 confirmed dead by the IDF.

Hamas released 105 civilians during a weeklong truce in late November, and four hostages were released before that. Eight hostages have been rescued by troops alive, and the bodies of 37 hostages have also been recovered, including three mistakenly killed by the military as they tried to escape their captors.

Hamas is also holding two Israeli civilians who entered the Strip in 2014 and 2015, as well as the bodies of two IDF soldiers who were killed in 2014.

Posted by:trailing wife

#10  :-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2024-11-18 20:51  

#9  Sorry, Qaradawi was the Muslim Brotherhood Cadi, or religious leader, not its Mufti.
Posted by: Albert Pelosi3459   2024-11-18 19:03  

#8  A major Muslim Brotherhood meeting was held in Turkey in (as I recall) 2010. At that point the nexus of the organization moved to Turkey. Present at the meeting was Yusuf Qaradawi, the MB mufti now deceased and Erdogan. Qaradawi was then residing in Qatar. However, the al-Thani family that rules Qatar might approve Qaradawi's stay it did not want to be seen as the home of what is in reality an Egyptian-centered organization. The Thani are smart. Smart enough to entice Washington to invest in an Islamist mini-nation. On the other hand Erdogan is seen as someone who personally wants to be seen as the leader of Sunni Muslims and return Turkey to the days of Mohammed Ali.
Posted by: Albert Pelosi3459   2024-11-18 18:57  

#7  Interesting. Albert Pelosi3459, I ran a search on your three MB names; while Misirli does not show up, the other two are in the Rantburg archives, findable using the Rantburg Search thingy in the right margin just below the Today’s Headlines bar. (Rantburg won’t post comments that have more than one link — Ii keep forgetting that.)

Definitely Trump, NN2N1.

Elmerert Hupens2660, I would argue that Hamas is the junior partner in this Muslim Brotherhood venture, but really that’s just quibbling — they’re all tentacles on the same octopus, and see themselves so. After all, the plan goes back to Hassan al Banna in Egypt, where at the moment the Ikhwan is keeping its head well down.

At some point Turkey is going to have to be cut off, which is why the EU keeps not making them a member.
Posted by: trailing wife   2024-11-18 10:24  

#6  @4
"It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet."
Hassan al-Banna, Founder of the MB

IOW Hamas, and by extension Erdogan and Qatar want to transform the entire world into a totalitarian Islamic slave empire.

Their likelihood of succsess might be low but in this instance it is the evil thought that should count.

Any Western nation that is allied with 21th century Turkey and/or Qatar doesn't really need enemies.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2024-11-18 09:46  

#5  @3
"The Turkish government has denied that the Palestinian movement Hamas has relocated its political bureau to Turkey, amidst claims that the group was looking for a new home after a purported Qatari request to leave the Gulf state."

Trump effect?
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2024-11-18 09:40  

#4  In 1988 Hamas was created as an arm of the Ikhwan al-Muslimeen, the international Muslim Brotherhood.
Sometime in 1999 or 2000, Mr. (Gazevan Masri, AKA in Turkish, Gazi) Misirli became a trustee of the European Trust, a part of the Federation of Islamic Organizations in Europe (FIOE), known to be the umbrella group representing the Muslim Brotherhood in Europe.The Trust describes itself as a “Waqf,” an Arabic term meaning a religious endowment in the form of a property earning revenues, as regulated by Islamic law. Since renamed the “Europe Trust,” the organization has amassed a real-estate portfolio of income-earning properties.... At the time Mr. Misirli joined the Trust, as well as at the present, the other trustees included some of the most important Muslim Brotherhood leaders in Europe, such as Ibrahim El-Zayat, the leader of the German Muslim Brotherhood, and Fouad Alaoui, one of the leaders of the French Muslim Brotherhood. Illustrative of Mr. Misirli’s close connections to the current Turkish government, in April 2009 he offered on an online forum to forward letters to the office of Prime Minister Erdogan. Etc.
Posted by: Albert Pelosi3459   2024-11-18 09:40  

#3  
Why all of a sudden the massive change of direction by so many countries?

TRUMP!
Posted by: NN2N1   2024-11-18 04:21  

#2  Nope. No surprises whatsoever. But then President Erdogan mustn’t be surprised when Ankara becomes the next Mossad hunting ground.
Posted by: trailing wife   2024-11-18 01:52  

#1  Erdogan is aligned with the MB,

Hamas is the "Palestinian" chapter of the MB.

No surprise here.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2024-11-18 01:30  

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