The two discussed the decline of religiosity in America and how many churches have twisted the Bible to be more in line with woke culture. They also discussed how modern secularists have embraced moral relativity and rejected any claim of a higher power.
During the conversation, Shapiro asked MacArthur, the pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California, how people looking for a biblical truth "determine what is a Bible believing church that’s worth their time versus a church that maybe has a Pride progress flag hanging off the door and claims to be speaking in the name of the Gospels."
"A church that is faithful to scripture, a synagogue that is faithful to scripture, bears moral authority," MacArthur said. "I mean, it exists to say, ’this is what the Lord has said. This is what God requires.’ This is divine mandate. This is the morality that leads to blessing and disobedience. And disregard for this morality leads to cursing."
MacArthur added that many in America wanted to live by their own standards of morality and not have any authority over them.
"The bottom line is, if you’re living in the culture that we’re living in, where you want absolute freedom to do anything you choose to do, to establish your own set of rules, your own truth, your own standards of morality, the last thing you want is to step into some place that’s going to call into question everything you’re choosing to do in your life and is going to exercise authority over you," he said.
The two also discussed the person of Jesus Christ, who many Americans have twisted into a generic hippy-type figure, Shapiro noted. He said that modern secularists tried to turn Jesus into a "bizarre pacifist with nothing of morality to say."
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