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| Downlow on how Ukrainians change in tactics ‘may’ be overwhelming Russian ADA | |
| 2023-09-17 | |
| [Sarcastosaurus] To conclude this series of features, let me start with the question with which I’ve ended the Part 3: how do you ‘outfight’ the S-400? For the start, and everybody’s orientation, the map providing an approximate reconstruction of the Russian integrated air defence system for southern Kherson, southern Zaporizhzhya and northern Crimea, as released already back in August:
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| Posted by:Griter Slash1619 |
| #7 "Some say" = "I'm totally making this up." |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2023-09-17 15:58 |
| #6 Nonsense! I am told by Dale, and the many people he talks to (he understands Russia), that they are clearly winning the two week Special Military Operation. I trust him. |
| Posted by: Frank G 2023-09-17 15:46 |
| #5 /\ Exactly correct. In war, whichever side may call itself the victor, there are no winners, but all are losers. Speech at Kettering, 3 July 1938, in Times 4 July 1938 ~ Neville Chamberlain 1869–1940 British Conservative statesman, Prime Minister 1937–40 |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2023-09-17 13:13 |
| #4 'Eh, my impression so far is that both sides will loss the war... |
| Posted by: Seeking Cure For Ignorance 2023-09-17 13:09 |
| #3 #2 Yes, but Ukrainians don't have the bodies to replace losses. This is exactly why the South lost the civil war. The north had the population numbers and the machinery. The South should have operated defensibly as should the Ukrainians. Constant attacks repeated over and over with losses every time. |
| Posted by: Dale 2023-09-17 10:33 |
| #2 The same way you take down air defenses since day 1. (1) Identify which AAA sites work as a network. How do they follow local threats, etc. (2) Pick out a single group area. End of defensive line, weak zone with thin coverage, etc. (3) Hammer that local zone, overwhelm them faster than they can respond. You should then be able to get around and behind adjoining networks, and possibly 'roll them up'. It all depends on whether your opponent has any depth of defense. |
| Posted by: ed in texas 2023-09-17 09:50 |
| #1 Huge loss of life for Ukrainians. Running across open fields with mines laid and no air cover. Air and artillery ground and pound. They run because then they are harder to hit. Productive Russian meat grinder is the result. Sharp differences in kill ratios. |
| Posted by: Dale 2023-09-17 07:36 |