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March Black Sea Reaper Incident: It turned out inconvenient
2023-03-16
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.

Commentary by Russian military journalist Boris Rozhin

[ColonelCassad] Despite statements by the Pentagon that Russia did not recover the equipment of the MQ-9 Reaper reconnaissance and strike UAV that fell in the Black Sea, fears are expressed in the United States (including by officials) that Russia has already gained access to the wreckage of the drone, which may be of technological value to study and subsequent reverse engineering.

The recording of the recovery of engine fragments, published yesterday, aroused serious interest among experts, who admit that sufficiently large fragments of the drone may be in an acceptable state for study after recovery.

Despite the fact that Russia has previously gained access to fragments of the MQ-9 technology (downed vehicles in Libya, alleged familiarization with technologies that fell into the possession of Iran, etc.), of course, it is not the hull and engine that are of key importance, but the electronic filling of the machine, which is periodically updated by the Americans (due to which the cost of these drones is growing). Considering that Russia may share such information with Iran (which often comes into contact with the MQ-9 in its hybrid wars), the question can be much more important than just familiarizing yourself with the wreckage.

Hence the obvious desire of the Biden administration to put a brake on this issue (not only we are laughing at the accusation of violating the environment) and the simultaneous attacks on it by the Trumpists, who have seized on another joint of the Biden administration.

From Russian military blogger Andrey Chervonets:
What if it's the other way around?

American senator Lindsey Graham said the need to shoot down Russian aircraft in neutral airspace if they approach American ones.

Does he propose to shoot down Russian aircraft in neutral airspace near the borders of Russia? I wonder how the Americans will do it?

Okay, over the Gulf of Mexico. But over the Black Sea, if the Yankees attack, they will follow the drone. And the Russians will be in their full international law. This, uncomrade, is tantamount to declaring war on a nuclear superpower. According to international law. So, better slow down for now. Then the Americans will not fly in neutral space either ...

And what is most interesting. Nobody shot down an American drone.

So, we just peed in the sky ;) Your American drone fell by itself, crashing into space.

Only one drone was turned, and how farts exploded in Washington. And he's not alone, this senator. Yesterday I read the comments of the Americans on YouTube, they are directly splashing in hysterics. As so, they got bread. Particularly moronic ones demand to bill Russia for the drone)

P.S. And about the senator. That's what it means - a person grew up overseas in safety and impunity. And if there was a cracker in the studio, he would put 100% in his pants

From regnum.ru
Shoigu named the causes of the emergency with an American drone in the Black Sea

Shoigu: non-compliance with the Russian restricted flight zone was the cause of the incident with the US drone.

The Russian side considers the US attempts to conduct reconnaissance in the Black Sea near the Russian borders as a provocation. This was announced on March 15 during telephone conversations between the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, General of the Army Sergei Shoigu and the head of the Pentagon, Lloyd Austin .

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, during the conversation, Shoigu stressed that he sees the reason for the incident with the UAV as the fact that the aircraft violated the boundaries of the flight zone determined by Russia due to a special operation. The representative of the Russian department also noted the strengthening by the Americans of intelligence activities directed against the interests of Russia.

“ It was noted that the flights of American strategic unmanned aerial vehicles off the coast of Crimea are of a provocative nature, which creates prerequisites for an escalation of the situation in the Black Sea zone ,” the Defense Ministry said in a statement.

It is emphasized that Russia intends to respond proportionately to such attacks by the United States. The states were also reminded of the responsibility of the nuclear powers in their actions.

As REGNUM reported , the United States is on the verge of a direct conflict with Russia , and the case of an American drone in the Black Sea increases the risks of its start, Republican member of the US House of Representatives Matt Goetz said earlier .

The Russian Defense Ministry noted that the MQ-9 UAV of the US Armed Forces fell on March 14 into the Black Sea due to its own sharp maneuvering. Russian fighters did not come into contact with him.

More from regnum.ru
US remotely destroyed the information on the UAV that fell into the Black Sea

Mark Milley: US Department of Defense remotely destroyed information on a UAV that fell into the Black Sea

Representatives of the Department of Defense of the United States of America erased all valuable information from an unmanned device that fell in the Black Sea. This was told to journalists by the chairman of the Committee of Chiefs of Staff of the US Armed Forces, General Mark Milley, during a press conference.

He stated that the United States intends to take action to return the wreckage of the drone to American territory, but so far no such decision has been made. At the same time, Milli stated that there was nothing special to return, since the device, most likely, "fell apart,"

Nevertheless, the wreckage is the property of the States, he stressed. Raising the aircraft will be very difficult, as it is at a depth of 4,000 to 5,000 feet (1.2-1.5 km), the general also said.

"As for the return of the wreckage, then, indeed, we do not have ships in the area. But we have many allies and friends in this region," Milli said.

He also talked about taking "appropriate measures" to ensure that the drone data is no longer of interest.

As REGNUM reported , the Russian Defense Ministry noted that the MQ-9 UAV of the US Armed Forces fell into the Black Sea on March 14 due to its own sharp maneuvering. Russian fighters did not come into contact with him.

Yet, more from regnum.ru:
Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Gerasimov spoke with Milli about the US drone

The Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation discussed with the representative of the structure of the US Armed Forces the situation with the American UAV

It became known about a telephone conversation between First Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Valery Gerasimov and Chairman of the Committee of the Chiefs of Staff of the Armed Forces of the United States of America Mark Milley . The conversation between the generals took place on March 15, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

During the discussion, the topic of the incident with the American drone was raised, follows from the information of the department. A telephone meeting between representatives of the American and Russian defense structures was the development of negotiations on this issue.

Earlier, the incident was already discussed by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu and the head of the Pentagon, Lloyd Austin.

As REGNUM reported , the Russian side considers US attempts to conduct reconnaissance in the Black Sea near the Russian borders as a provocation , Shoigu said during the conversation. He also stated that the Americans are strengthening intelligence activities directed against the interests of Russia.

Yet, again, more from regnum.ru
Patrushev: Russia will try to pick up the wreckage of the US drone from the sea

Attempts to get fragments of the American MQ-9 Reaper drone from the Black Sea are definitely needed, said Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev in an interview with journalist Pavel Zarubin .

"I don’t know whether we will be able to get [the wreckage] or not, but the fact that we need to do this and we will do it is a must," Patrushev said.

According to the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service , Sergei Naryshkin , Russia has the appropriate technical capabilities.

As REGNUM reported , on the morning of March 14, an American drone entered the area of ​​the temporary regime for the use of airspace over the Black Sea, established for the period of the special operation. His transponders were off. Russian fighter jets were sent to the intruder to identify him. The drone, as stated in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, went into uncontrolled flight and fell into the sea . Russian pilots did not use weapons.

Posted by:badanov

#19  RETRO
Navy begins deep-sea recovery mission for remains of 5 sailors and helicopter wreckage
Posted by: Skidmark   2023-03-16 19:49  

#18  if we have submarine launched munitions capable of making the Reaper just a pile of scrap before Russkies dredge it up

Maybe we could get the guys that did the Nordstream job. Unless they are busy working on something new...
Posted by: SteveS   2023-03-16 19:35  

#17  #14 Correct. The Russers acted with upmost restraint, where we used high tech to shoot down balloons. For those keeping score - we lose the next round. 'just how it goes.
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2023-03-16 19:25  

#16  Can some smart bubblehead here at the burg advise if we have submarine launched munitions capable of making the Reaper just a pile of scrap before Russkies dredge it up and give it to the Iranians to reverse engineer?
Posted by: NoMoreBS   2023-03-16 19:23  

#15  If we really want to freak out the Russians, just tell them we're giving the Ukrainians the "Assault Breaker" system (BLU-108 Submunitions). Watch how fast they crap their pants.
Posted by: Silentbrick   2023-03-16 17:01  

#14  "imply Russia made a conscience effort to disrupt this flight without a shootdown"

Absolutely
Posted by: mossomo   2023-03-16 14:20  

#13  I would say the chances of this drone flight being the first of its kind as slim.

I would also say that the Migs likely didn't accidentally come within wash range.

That would imply Russia made a conscience effort to disrupt this flight without a shootdown.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2023-03-16 13:41  

#12  Has Milley called Putin to let him know if we will bomb Russia or not?
Posted by: Itsoktobewhite   2023-03-16 13:41  

#11  Russian pilots participated in Korea. We killed a lot of Russians in Afghanistan. There was the Cuban Missile Crisis. There was the Pueblo. We were flying an intel drone in waters were we assisted in the sinking of an iconic Russian war vessel. This has been going on since after WWII.

It says something that Joe Biden is acting more rational than Lindsey Graham. He is a worse actor than Jossie Smollett. He is not acting in our interests. Reagan was not an idiot.
Posted by: Tarzan Brown3666   2023-03-16 13:39  

#10  I'm not worried about Biden. I'm worried about "Biden".

I listened to Lunch Vader's account of this incident. It sounded like an uninspired voice acting audition.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2023-03-16 13:34  

#9  A shootdown, from either side, would have been madness.

Yes, but remember, we have Putin on one side and Biden on the other.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2023-03-16 13:24  

#8  And what is most interesting. Nobody shot down an American drone.

This crossed my mind when the story broke.

I think we are all adult enough to know that drone wasn't on a meteorological flight, collecting barometric pressures to combat global warming.

A shootdown, from either side, would have been madness.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2023-03-16 10:57  

#7  US sees spike in unprofessional Russian Air Force behavior over Syria
Posted by: Skidmark   2023-03-16 10:54  

#6  They were pretty close.

Posted by: Skidmark   2023-03-16 10:09  

#5  Rig the rest of them with claymores. Come a little closer you SOB's.
Posted by: Besoeker   2023-03-16 10:01  

#4  Russian ships at US drone crash site in Black Sea, US official says: 'They wasted no time'
Posted by: Skidmark   2023-03-16 09:51  

#3  Representatives of the Department of Defense of the United States of America erased all valuable information from an unmanned device that fell in the Black Sea. This was told to journalists by the chairman of the Committee of Chiefs of Staff of the US Armed Forces, General Mark Milley, during a press conference

"The preferred pronouns were removed remotely"
Posted by: Frank G   2023-03-16 09:14  

#2  ...I've seen this movie.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2023-03-16 09:07  

#1  When playing chicken goes wrong.
Posted by: badanov   2023-03-16 06:23  

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