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Seymour Hersh claims Biden ordered the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines |
2023-02-09 |
The allegation comes from Seymour Hersh, 85, the journalist the highlight of whose long career Wikipedia describes. In 1969, Hersh broke the story of the My Lai massacre that had happened the year before. Since then, Hersh has alleged that U.S. intelligence tricked the Soviets into shooting down Korean Air Flight 007 in 1983; claimed that Nicholas Davies, an editor for the Daily Mirror, was a secret Mossad agent (something Davies denied); broke the Abu Ghraib story; claimed that the U.S. was trying to destabilize the Iranian mullahs during the George W. Bush presidency; alleged that the Obama administration systematically lied about every detail of Osama bin Laden’s death, except for the fact that he was dead; and has a laundry list of "interesting" claims revolving around John F. Kennedy. Sometimes Hersh nails things (e.g., My Lai; Abu Ghraib), but his record for accuracy, in my opinion, can be hit or miss (based on my observations over the years). I’ve also felt that he dislikes America and Israel, a perceived bias that prevents me from trusting his reporting in the first instance. He’s also deeply suspicious of America’s intelligence agencies, although (sadly) events of late have proven that he’s probably right to be. All of this means that, when Seymour Hersh alleges something, I wait before reaching a conclusion. That’s definitely my attitude regarding Hersh’s latest allegation at his new Substack; namely, that Biden ordered the attack on Russia’s Nord Stream pipelines in September 2022. Here’s the key language, which relies solely on an anonymous source: Last June, the Navy divers [from the U.S. Navy’s Diving and Salvage Center], operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.Hersh has a lot of details but names no names to back his key assertion, which is that Biden gave the order to blow up the pipelines. Do I think Biden would give that order? Yes, especially if his handlers pushed him to do so. Do I think he did give that order? I sincerely hope not because it seems to me—and beware that I’m not versed in international law—that destroying another country’s pipeline is an act of war. My understanding further says that Putin would be within his rights to respond with an attack on the U.S. For the moment, let’s assume solely for the sake of argument that Biden did what Hersh alleges. Is there a way to prevent Putin from attacking? Well, I think there is. It’s a simple three-step plan: Immediately impeach Biden (who will have started a war without Congress's permission); try him for war crimes; and, if he’s found guilty, hand him over to Putin for a punishment consistent with the Geneva Convention. (As an added bonus for those who believe in anthropogenic climate change, keep in mind that blowing up the pipelines is said to have released up to 32 billion pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere.) Related: Nord Stream: 2022-12-15 Merkel's Confession On Duplicity Of Minsk Accords: Cold War 2.0 Just Got Colder Nord Stream: 2022-12-01 Timeline of the war in Ukraine: Wednesday, November 30 (updated) Nord Stream: 2022-11-20 Massive explosion hits Russian Gazprom gas pipeline amid suspicions of sabotage linked to Putin's war on Ukraine Related: Seymour Hersh: 2022-05-20 Inside the Hunt for Russia's ‘Fourth Man' Within the CIA Seymour Hersh: 2019-11-10 Former Israeli Intel Official Claims Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell Worked for Israel Seymour Hersh: 2017-08-11 Even lefty Seymour Hersh agrees that the Russian fable begin in the mind of Obama's CIA director. |
Posted by:Besoeker |
#20 Have the Europeans chimed in yet? |
Posted by: ruprecht 2023-02-09 21:49 |
#19 I discount everything Seymour has written Hersh has a well-earned reputation for telling elaborate tales, but I can't help wondering if the heart of the story is true - some sort of US/UK scheme to blow the pipelines. We were warning the Germans about getting cozy with the Russians, how relying on the pipeline for fuel would lead to a bad end. The story that the Russians did it to themselves is silly for a whole list of reasons. One detail I find fascinating is the idea of preparations starting back in June 2022. I was surprised when this war jumped off. Geography explains the Why but not the When. Something made Putin jump. Over time, little info bits have been trickling in - a Ukrainian mobilization, NATO sending equipment and military advisors. This is just one more possible thing to add to the pile. And yes, #5 is definitely Snark of the Day! |
Posted by: SteveS 2023-02-09 21:10 |
#18 |
Posted by: Woodrow 2023-02-09 18:51 |
#17 Thank you Fred. As much as this makes pieces fit; there is an earned reputation and a pretty deep dive for an 85 year old (NPI). On the other hand, anyone who was a froghair less than Putin Did It to Prove His Crazy! got the Covid skeptic business...and the then story disappeared completely. Couple pictures came out and silent running. Other than me poking fun of the silence here, when was the last time you saw anything, anywhere? I think I was in shorts and a t-shirt raiding the couch for air conditioner funds. Odd for what was two weeks of reasons to use nukes. |
Posted by: swksvolFF 2023-02-09 18:46 |
#16 Biden said, "we will take care of it". So is anyone really surprised? |
Posted by: Woodrow 2023-02-09 18:34 |
#15 /\ I'll accept the Seymour discount, but still recall the.... 'blind sow and acorn' theory. To his eternal credit, Hersh has never had much use for the Klingons. |
Posted by: Besoeker 2023-02-09 18:21 |
#14 I discount everything Seymour has written. He wrote the expose on KAL-007. It was about 400 percent false. He's pulled other "factual" stories out of his butt, all of them brown and stinking as far as I could tell. KAL-007 I'm certain of. |
Posted by: Fred 2023-02-09 16:40 |
#13 Yup. This has been out for a couple of days, I'm going to give it a couple more as it is mainlining and I'm waiting on a couple opinions. But my finger is on the marker and ready to slide the point to Team Tinfoil, who already has a remarkable batting average. |
Posted by: swksvolFF 2023-02-09 15:52 |
#12 Market share and logistics meaning somebody is making big time profits. Is the Big Guy getting his usual 10 percent cut? |
Posted by: Abu Uluque 2023-02-09 12:32 |
#11 /\ Must fill the natural gas gap for the Europeeons because Russia, Russia, Russia. It's all about market share and logistics. |
Posted by: Besoeker 2023-02-09 12:23 |
#10 So Biden does all he possibly can, including acts of war against Russia, to reduce the global supply of natural gas. Then my gas and electric bill skyrockets from $300+ to $600+. Thanks, Joe. Gee, thanks a lot. But somehow it doesn't make me feel any safer. |
Posted by: Abu Uluque 2023-02-09 12:20 |
#9 /\ Yes, very likely a bilateral operation. Certain commitments and remunerations likely applied. |
Posted by: Besoeker 2023-02-09 11:52 |
#8 Could be American op done under British command. That way both can deny it |
Posted by: Lord Garth 2023-02-09 11:27 |
#7 Hersh spent a great deal of time with Scott Ritter stories. So not all of his hits are homeruns, but I suspect he's nailed this one. Germany could have been provided assurances. |
Posted by: Besoeker 2023-02-09 08:10 |
#6 While the US had the most to gain from the pipeline destruction, I seriously doubt Biden ordered it. That could give Germany the perfect excuse to remove themselves from NATO. |
Posted by: DarthVader 2023-02-09 08:06 |
#5 What utter horseshit. Because if Navy Seals did it one would have already written a tell all book about it. Snark O'The Day |
Posted by: Penguin_of_the_Desert 2023-02-09 07:27 |
#4 So, the alleged entire point of gerbilism, that we all must get along for the greater good, is just a shuck. |
Posted by: M. Murcek 2023-02-09 06:49 |
#3 Germany (aka Green Party) must be ecstatic, too. |
Posted by: DooDahMan 2023-02-09 06:23 |
#2 Who blew up the $20 billion Nord Stream pipeline? White House again denies involvement as bombshell report alleging U.S. plot reignites blame game with Russia |
Posted by: Skidmark 2023-02-09 06:22 |
#1 He’s [Hersh] also deeply suspicious of America’s intelligence agencies He's essentially then, just like the rest of us ? Who hates pipelines more than Biden and his Cadre of 'Save the Planet' Green elves. "And what do you know, the SOB just blew up." |
Posted by: Besoeker 2023-02-09 04:12 |