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| 2023-02-03 |
| Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited. [ColonelCassad] Report: US president offered Putin 20 percent of Ukraine in exchange for peace in January According to NZZ, CIA chief William Burns reportedly presented the peace plan to Kyiv and Moscow in mid-January. But both sides refused. It was only after the plan's failure that Biden reportedly decided to deploy the Abrams tank . In mid-January, CIA chief William Burns reportedly presented a plan to end the war in Ukraine to both Kiev and Moscow at the behest of the American president. But both sides reportedly rejected the plan. According to the Novaya Zurich Gazeta, citing high-ranking German foreign policy figures from the government and opposition, the following proposal was put forward: “The offer to Kyiv sounded like this: peace in exchange for land, the offer to Moscow: land in exchange for peace. It is reported that the "land" was about 20 percent of the territory of Ukraine. This is approximately the size of the Donbass. Both sides, two politicians say, would refuse. Ukrainians because they don't want their national territory to be divided, Russians because they expect to win the war in the long run anyway." It is reported that the head of the CIA, William Burns, got acquainted with the peace plan in Kyiv and Moscow. NZZ further reports that, according to German foreign policy departments, Biden wanted to avoid a protracted war in Ukraine. According to him, he was ready to give part of the country. If this image is correct, Biden will not be alone in his position in Washington, writes NZZ. A new study by renowned American think tank Rand Corporation (Preventing a Long War) concludes that “preventing a long war is a higher priority for the United States” than giving Ukraine “control of its entire territory.” It was only after Burns failed with the proposed plan that the American president reportedly made the decision to supply the Abrams tanks. Both politicians tell NZZ that there are two camps in Washington over the war in Ukraine. “On one side,” two German deputies say, “are security adviser Jake Sullivan and CIA chief Burns. They wanted to end the war quickly so they could focus on China. On the other hand were Foreign Secretary Anthony Blinken and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin. They did not want to allow Russia to destroy the rules-based peace order and advocated massive military support for Ukraine. The Berlin newspaper tried to confirm this information. "There's a lot to be said for" Biden taking the initiative, explains one opposition defense politician. According to him, if the NZZ report is correct, this is further evidence that the German chancellor does not have a strategy in helping Ukraine. After all, according to NZZ, Scholz would have been taken by surprise by the decision to supply tanks, and then reacted by announcing the supply of German Leopards. According to the politician, it is becoming increasingly clear that the United States is preparing for a long war of attrition. In his opinion, Germany would suffer more and more from such a war - economically and financially, but also militarily. After all, sometimes the reserves of the Bundeswehr are already largely depleted. The government coalition also said that "a lot could be true in the report." Foreign policy spokesman for the CDU/CSU faction, Jürgen Hardt, states: “Reports of the status of the decision on battle tanks fit into a picture that shows the German chancellor as single-minded...” Putin will not enter into serious negotiations until the continuation of hostilities would mean for him the risk of military defeat. “That point has not yet been reached,” said Hardt. According to him, it is fundamentally important that no agreements be reached over Ukraine's head. "The US had it, if the CIA Director's mediation efforts reports are correct, but obviously didn't suggest it." Left-wing foreign policy spokesman Sevim Dagdelen calls it a "sign of hope" if there are people in US government circles who want an immediate end to this war. “Unfortunately, this does not apply to German foreign policy,” Dagdelen said. |
| Posted by:badanov |
| #16 After the Minsk agreements sham the Wests credibility is gone. It did not seem to get any play in US media, but around 7-Dec, Frau Merkel gave an interview with a German newspaper where she outright admitted that there was no intention of living up the Mink agreement and the only purpose was to buy time for Ukraine to build up. Seems a bit on the duplicitous side, but we are playing the Great Game, right? The problem now is the Russians are not going to buy into any negotiated settlement. They will quit when they have a secure defensive position against NATO. I'm guessing the means Ukraine east of the Dieper river. |
| Posted by: SteveS 2023-02-03 20:13 |
| #15 It's Herb branching out as Fat Bob that's driving me nuts. |
| Posted by: Alistaire Tojo1433 2023-02-03 20:02 |
| #14 A source is a source, of course, of course, But no one should talk to a source, of course, That is, of course, unless the source is the blameless Mr. Red! Still like Dale, even if he has |
| Posted by: Alistaire Tojo1433 2023-02-03 19:58 |
| #13 Da Comrade. Whatever the "source" |
| Posted by: Frank G 2023-02-03 18:52 |
| #12 As in gambling. The loser stays on and spends what he or she doesn't have. They can't walk away. Ukraine can only lose. |
| Posted by: Dale 2023-02-03 18:07 |
| #11 blaggard in English dictionary was my source but heard Tom Baker use the word in an old Dr. Who episode. |
| Posted by: Dale 2023-02-03 17:55 |
| #10 I think you mean blackguard. A great old word. |
| Posted by: Abu Uluque 2023-02-03 16:30 |
| #9 ^Japan is also destroying itself. The English would call Biden a blaggard in a political sense of the word. |
| Posted by: Dale 2023-02-03 16:16 |
| #8 "...Sullivan and CIA chief Burns. They wanted to end the war quickly so they could focus on China." China is currently destroying itself with its Covid management and industrial corruption. Better off leaving it alone for a while. The weapons that Taiwan needs are different than what Ukraine needs. |
| Posted by: lord garth 2023-02-03 14:39 |
| #7 Meanwhile pissing off everybody. "Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto issued a scathing rebuke of the US ambassador to Budapest on Thursday, asserting that he has no business meddling in the nation’s internal affairs." After the Minsk agreements sham the Wests credibility is gone. It will be on Russia's terms as the Red line has been crossed. The West and Soros desperately need the cash cow alive and well sending money. Everything and anything will be done to make that happen. So any compromise will be considered by Biden's West. They want to move on to China for next episode. Stay tuned. |
| Posted by: Dale 2023-02-03 11:02 |
| #6 Fake proposal; |
| Posted by: Dale 2023-02-03 10:47 |
| #5 I saw somewhere that Switzerland was a battleground selection for Spy vs. Spy, and dirty deeds got a pass so long as it looked natural and didn't upset the locals. Not sure how true that is/was. |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2023-02-03 10:39 |
| #4 Make them a better deal. The Straits, Constantinople, and European Turkey. Think of it as Trunks and Donks in the Swamp negotiating how the skin the taxpayers. The effected third party gets no say in the matter. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2023-02-03 10:19 |
| #3 If true, that is enough to piss everyone off. Not enough for Russia and too much for Ukraine. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2023-02-03 09:51 |
| #2 Switzerland has a time honored connection with Soviet spycraft, Bern being one of the areas used by the Red Orchestra, the Soviet spy ring during WWII. |
| Posted by: badanov 2023-02-03 03:56 |
| #1 White House Denies Joe Biden Offered to Give Ukrainian Territory to Putin Thank you for playing, Switzerland. Have any Swiss businesses left Russia yet? |
| Posted by: Flaish Sinatra7305 2023-02-03 00:31 |