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Europe admits it is following the path of Napoleon and Hitler
2023-01-23
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
by Maxim Sokolov
In which the Russian editorialist goes on about Western European conquerors because he dare not admit that most of Russian history involves the conquest of the independent countries surrounding it, which in living memory includes the physical conquest of half of Germany and the cultural conquest of France, among many others. Definitely a case of protesting too much.
[RIA] The current campaign of the Western "International" to the East gives rise to quite obvious associations with 1941 and 1812. Invasion of Twelve Languages ​​v.3.0. And if we also take into account the year 1918 with the campaign of fourteen powers, then even v.4.0. Everything is so familiar and familiar.

Even the High Representative of the EU, Borrell, not to say that the most distinguished historian, speaking the other day in Madrid , said: “Russia is a big country, she is used to fighting to the end, she is used to almost losing, and then restoring everything. She did it with Napoleon, she did it to Hitler. It would be absurd to think that Russia lost the war, that its military is incompetent. Therefore, right now it is necessary to continue arming Ukraine."

The most pro-Russian people in the EU are ruled by Russophobic scoundrels
The final conclusion, however, is strange. Should it be understood that the Brussels regional committee will be militarily more successful than the French Empire or the Third Reich? But at least it’s good that the representative remembered historical analogies.

True, if Borrell's excursus into the past did not cause any complaints - as if it should be so - then the same excursus by S. V. Lavrov, who compared the current Western coalition of democracies with the Reich and its satellites, caused curses and gnashing of teeth. John Kirby, strategic communications coordinator at the US National Security Council , called Lavrov's speeches "offensive, absurd and undeserving of a response," and the president of the European Jewish Congress, Ariel Muzikant, condemned the comparison of the US and its allies' policy towards Moscow with the actions of A. Hitler and called on the Russian Foreign Minister apologize. Borrell for some reason did not call.

Be that as it may, the composition of the former internationals is impressive. In 1812, in addition to, of course, the French, the Grand Army included Italians, Croats, Spaniards, Portuguese, Dutch, Bavarians, Saxons, Westphalians, Hessians, Prussians, Swiss, Poles, etc. Together, representatives of non-titular nations made up about half of the invasion army. The Austrians also stood on the Russian border (present -day Ukraine ), but did not invade.

A similar picture was in 1941. In addition to the Wehrmacht, the regular armies of Italy, Romania, Finland, Hungary, Slovakia, and Croatia fought against the USSR . As well as volunteer formations from Spain, France, Holland , the Scandinavian and Baltic countries. The contribution of the Czechs (engineering) and the Swedes (iron ore) to the military economy of the Reich is also difficult to overestimate.

And although not all, but most of the German satellites made an active contribution to the final solution of the Jewish question. They themselves deported the Jews to the Reich for destruction.

So Borrell only repeated the basics of school history textbooks. Just like Lavrov.

But there were other similarities as well. Both the great emperor and the Fuhrer had more than enough formal allies. If we talk not about formal, but real participation in the military efforts of the hegemon, the picture was more complex. Not only the Habsburgs, but many others could rightfully say:

"I serve all allies

More Austrian, more Austrian".

That is, as long as there is a victorious offensive, we will also advance (but preferably in auxiliary units, where there is less risk), but if military happiness turns away from the Fuhrer-Emperor, then we are not ready to stand for him to the last: our shirt is closer to the body. As a result, the French allies Austria and Prussia declared war on Napoleon in 1813, and the German satellites Italy, Romania, Bulgaria , France in 1943-1944 did the same somersault.

Today, the formation of a democratic "great army" is still in a preliminary stage, but the difficulties in building everyone in a single column are already obvious.

Very few are reckless. Unless the Baltic limitrophs, the value of which, both in terms of military and military-industrial terms, is close to zero. That does not prevent them from furiously rage and rush into battle. They can be used as a foothold, as well as a police force in the occupied territories, but first these territories must be captured.

Poland is partly adjacent to the bold , but its determination is more about the seizure of Ukrainian lands, and the military costs must be paid by NATO allies .

The British are always ready for various responsible wet deeds, but no, thank you for the heroic attack of light cavalry. There is nothing special to subsidize the allies (as happened in previous wars). There are rhetorical exercises.

Roughly the same with the French. Selling museum equipment to Ukraine, intriguing, puffing out your cheeks and dancing on a tightrope - that's always the case. The nature of the Parisian circus performers is unchanged. But to die in the Donetsk steppes is let someone else.

The Germans groan and huddle, huddle and groan, like the venerable Solomon from The Miserly Knight. What can be understood: the state of the Bundeswehr leaves much to be desired, and the method "We raised our army in battles" does not inspire the Germans.

Like the Czechs. Russophobia is welcome, but "We will not go to war, we all ... (spit)".

On the southwestern flank (Italy, Spain, Greece , Austria) there is even less enthusiasm. They prefer to sit quietly and not chirp.

Finally, the Turks and Hungarians succumbed to direct dissidents. However, the Turks remained neutral both in 1812 and in 1941.

The Brussels authorities are always in favor, but Josep Borrell and Charles Michel are not even suitable as company political officers. How they will rally such diverse forces - only they know.

Thus, a united Europe is clearly inferior to its ancestors from the time of the Fuhrer-Emperor in terms of cohesion, as well as readiness to kill and especially die in the fields of Russia. If wars were waged by newspapermen and humanities professors, there would be no enemy more terrible and cruel. But the campaign mainly requires other military registration specialties, and where to get them is less clear.

This is not a basis for harmful hatred, but it is also not a basis for all-out storming before the formidable invasion of the twelve democracies.
Translation note. The translated word propying I replaced with storming because the Russian word for propying doesn't exist. The prepositional phrase phrase, для всепропальчества, was a genitive declension for the word property, but in this context, to me at least, only storming made any sense.
Posted by:badanov

#11   Did you seriously just leave out the part where that Germany viciously attacked Russia with the end goal of genociding or enslaving its population?

I also left out the part where Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia amicably divided Poland between themselves, and that the Nazis turned on the Soviets when the Soviets were about to turn on them. I’ve lost maternal relatives to the Nazis, and paternal relatives to the Soviets.

What was Stalin’s goal for the first conquest of Germany, the one he didn't get to do? Did he intend another Holodomor, or did he intend merely to make them another subject people after killing the entire leadership class like he’d done in Poland? We saw what he did to East Germany after he got it, along with the other countries he did not set free after driving out the Nazis.

and so Russia had to conquer or be conquered. You could say they live in a tough neighborhood.

That seems a fair evaluation, Abu Uluque.
Posted by: trailing wife   2023-01-23 22:32  

#10   into account the legitimate security interests and historical claims of all parties.

Abu, does every individual count as a "party" with security interests?

Me thinks that is not a thought in any of their heads.
Posted by: AlanC   2023-01-23 16:11  

#9  Note: the only people to conquer 'Russia' were the Mongols from the east. I'd be more concerned in that direction than the West.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2023-01-23 14:46  

#8  All of this might lead you to believe that I am pro-Russian, maybe even paid by the Kremlin to spout such propaganda. But no. I harbor no illusions about Putin. He is a murdering, ruthless dictator and has sent his troops into other countries just like his American, French and British counterparts.

I don't harbor any illusions about Biden either.

I am not pro-Russian. I am anti-war and I firmly believe we should negotiate an end to this stupid little war in Ukraine that would take into account the legitimate security interests and historical claims of all parties.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2023-01-23 13:29  

#7  As recently as the 1950s and 1960s, France fought wars to maintain their grip on Vietnam and Algeria. Americans fought in Vietnam until 1973. To this day, Americans, French and the British exhibit tendencies to send their troops into other countries. In the 1970s the Portugese fought a nasty little war in Angola. World War II forced the Europeans to retreat from many of their overseas colonies but, if it hadn't been for that war, it's a good bet they would still be there. Russia conquered several of the Eastern European countries in World War II but only after Hitler's invasion of Russia. Then they used those countries as a buffer zone between themselves and the undeniably hostile powers of Western Europe. These days, Russians see NATO as the modern equivalent of Napoleon and Hitler. In Ukraine, NATO has given them good reason for that, first with the 2014 coup in Kiev and then the proposed expansion of NATO into Ukraine. Just last year Biden said it himself, "For the love of God, that man (Putin) cannot remain in power." Putin has so far kept NATO from conquering Ukraine and Biden hates him for it. Throughout Russian history, Tsars, communist dictators and now Putin have used the vast distances of their country, and others, as a strategic advantage against some of their more powerful neighbors who would conquer Russia if they could.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2023-01-23 13:20  

#6  Poor Russia suppresses a shiver.
"Rough neighborhood? Only a river
Or two, and a Station
Protect our new nation
From Mongol invasion
And Teutonisation!"
"Oh? What are we Polaks, chopped liver?"
Posted by: Gomez Hupolurong3358   2023-01-23 13:16  

#5  "most of Russian history involves the conquest of the independent countries surrounding it"

Ummmm, and the History of Europe does not?
Posted by: mossomo   2023-01-23 12:54  

#4  ...most of Russian history involves the conquest of the independent countries surrounding it...

Russia had a lot of weak, underdeveloped countries surrounding it so they didn't have to build ships and cross oceans to build their empire. Some of those countries, the Mongols for one example and Hitler's Germany for another, were really not weak at all and so Russia had to conquer or be conquered. You could say they live in a tough neighborhood. So, yes, there are differences between Russian history and that of Britain, France, Spain, Holland, Belgium and Portugal. But they all built empires by conquering other countries.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2023-01-23 12:39  

#3  "includes the physical conquest of half of Germany"

Did you seriously just leave out the part where that Germany viciously attacked Russia with the end goal of genociding or enslaving its population?
Posted by: Fat Bob Thrart2867   2023-01-23 11:26  

#2  
Posted by: Skidmark   2023-01-23 11:11  

#1  I don't recall anyone using the rally cry "On to Moscow". It's more like the game the old Soviet Union played supplying North Vietnam during the Indochina conflict. Russian troops were not overtly involved. They just exploited the nationalist sentiment of the locals to grind the South Vietnamese and Americans down. Fortunately for Putin so far, he has the internal security means to crush any domestic opposition.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2023-01-23 06:42  

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