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'Our ship is quietly sinking': the US recognizes the superiority of Chinese destroyers |
2022-11-14 |
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited. Commentary from Military Review Telegram Channel [ColonelCassad] This was said by US Navy Admiral Charles Richard. He said that the United States missed the moment of containing China. The United States (quote) "was far behind due to the failed Zumwalt class destroyers program from Chinese Type-055 destroyers." ![]() For the first time at this level, Zumwalt, worth more than seven billion per copy, was called the cause of the degradation of the American navy. "Zumwalt" never learned to swim well, to be truly "invisible" and did not even acquire the main weapon, which was first intended to be "railguns", and then hypersonic missiles. Today, the United States does not have a sufficient degree of readiness for either one or the other. In terms of displacement, Zumwalt is one of the largest attack ships, and in terms of cost it has outstripped the price of the newest aircraft carrier of the Gerald R. Ford type. Here is one of the most expensive warships in history. One shot of his precision-guided 155mm cannon costs over half a million dollars. The fact that the Zumwalt are worthless became known at the beginning of 2020, when a new project of the main US destroyer was adopted (the DDG (X) program. The new US Navy ship, which will be launched no earlier than 2028, is suspiciously similar on the Chinese destroyer of the Type-055 project.The Chinese destroyer "Type-055" can claim the title of a cruiser. The ship, with a displacement of over 13,000 tons, has 112 launch cells for missiles of various classes, from anti-aircraft HHQ-9 to unique ballistic anti-ship missiles YJ- 21. Thanks to the latest AFAR radar, the ship has excellent situational awareness and is now actively participating in the "quiet" naval blockade of Taiwan. The funny thing is that the promising American destroyers "DDG (X)" will be much more similar to the Chinese "Type-055" than to the successors of the "Zumwalt" concept. True, they will cost three times more than the "Chinese" (about $ 4 billion), but there's nothing to be done about it. This is the tradition of the USA. https://t.me/militaryreview - zinc Says military journalist Boris Rozhin: I remember back in 2017 or 2018, the American press came across publications on the dubiousness of the Zumwalt project and the need to stop suffering garbage and build normal large-scale destroyers to compensate for China's shipbuilding program, which was aimed at building a whole fleet of large destroyers of the 54 and 55 type. But with this dragged on for several years and only at the beginning of the 20s they rushed to create their own answer to large Chinese destroyers, which in size (especially type 55) are closer to missile cruisers of the Ticonderoga and Atlant types, being an integral part of the new Chinese AUG. Well, among other things, the United States' lagging behind China in matters of hypersonic weapons also makes the situation with the confrontation at sea no longer as clear-cut as it was 10 years ago. Although the United States quantitatively, and qualitatively, still outnumber the Chinese Navy. But the difference between them continues to shrink. Both quantitatively and qualitatively.' |
Posted by:badanov |
#27 Allah may damn you… and yours Don't worry. The flying spaghetti monster will eat him and his followers first. |
Posted by: DarthVader 2022-11-14 20:56 |
#26 JOE - your second/third hand English is showing. Alcohol or Spittle? Why not both(!)? |
Posted by: Frank G 2022-11-14 20:28 |
#25 Europeans will kick out USA out of their garden… I believe Joe is referring to an incident that took place at Das Olive Garden in Berlin where some of the junior US diplomatic staff became unruly and were asked to leave. This has been hushed up for the usual reasons. |
Posted by: SteveS 2022-11-14 19:35 |
#24 were the 'Zumwalt' class intended for anti-ship warfare or coastal support. They were supposedly littoral, ie coastline. There is a "clitoral warfare" joke in there somewhere, but I am much to dignified to make it. Don't forget to tip your waitress! |
Posted by: SteveS 2022-11-14 17:51 |
#23 Interesting Joe. I've somehow missed this piece. Could you possibly send a supporting link or two ? |
Posted by: Besoeker 2022-11-14 17:44 |
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Posted by: ACA JOE 2022-11-14 17:41 |
#21 I'm sorry but were the 'Zumwalt' class intended for anti-ship warfare or coastal support. They were supposedly littoral, ie coastline. |
Posted by: Silentbrick 2022-11-14 17:34 |
#20 It’s interesting on how this heavily polluted Eastern European immigrants Jews blog and their owners handlers are lying to their readers glorifying an evil and corrupt government that is stealing from is citizens, and even “Partners and allies “, this fascist dictatorship and the crappy retrograde navy’s that this evil use, will kill thousands of young Americans sailors and everyone of the molding residents posters cubicle in here is spitting out their bs in adoration and adulation of the floating caskets Allah may damn you… and yours Do you have a later standup gig scheduled? |
Posted by: badanov 2022-11-14 17:34 |
#19 Comatose Joe just stated he doen't see any imminent threat of China invading Taiwan. So... March it is! |
Posted by: Rex Mundi 2022-11-14 17:22 |
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Posted by: ACA JOE 2022-11-14 17:14 |
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Posted by: ACA JOE 2022-11-14 17:09 |
#16 General Dynamics appears to be everyone's piggybank. "https://www.defensenews.com/training-sim/2021/09/... WebSep 03, 2021 · WASHINGTON — The third and final Zumwalt-class destroyer conducted its builder’s trials this week, returning to General Dynamics’ Bath Iron Works on Sept. 1 |
Posted by: Slavising Unineting5672 2022-11-14 16:56 |
#15 #magpie : also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-beh4vIY8E |
Posted by: James 2022-11-14 13:58 |
#14 #1 and #3 is the most likely answers Matt. Navy people in my veteran's groups I've talked to say when they trained with the Chinese around 2008-2014 the Chinese navy personal were just shit. Didn't know their jobs, officers treated enlisted like slaves, poor maintenance, lack of damage control knowledge, etc. It is possible they have gotten better, but in a totalitarian system I doubt it. It is easier to build a navy than to build a warrior culture that can win. Just ask our current Navy that is trying its best from the top to destroy that culture. |
Posted by: DarthVader 2022-11-14 11:29 |
#13 However, rest assured, all the senior officers in charge in the development, building, and deployments received lots of medals and impeccable ratings. |
Posted by: Procopius2k 2022-11-14 11:20 |
#12 If a Chinese ship class or weapons system was underperforming, or just plain worthless, would anyone tell Xi? Also: Does the Chinese military have training accidents? I never read about any, which could mean (1) the information is suppressed or (2) the Chinese are so good that they never have accidents or (3) the Chinese aren't realistically training. |
Posted by: Matt 2022-11-14 11:07 |
#11 My two favorite bad idea weapons systems were blip enhance and Subroc. |
Posted by: Super Hose 2022-11-14 10:52 |
#10 ^Eighteen 88 |
Posted by: M. Murcek 2022-11-14 10:25 |
#9 ^link... USS Vesuvius(1988) |
Posted by: magpie 2022-11-14 10:15 |
#8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Vesuvius_(1888), the third ship of the United States Navy named for the Italian volcano, was a unique vessel in the Navy inventory which marked a departure from more conventional forms of main battery armament. She is considered a dynamite gun cruiser and was essentially an operational testbed for large dynamite guns. ...and you thought that the LCS was a silly design concept: Vesuvius carried three 15-inch (38 cm) cast-iron pneumatic guns...?!? |
Posted by: magpie 2022-11-14 10:13 |
#7 I remember believing that the Moskva was undefeatable. |
Posted by: Super Hose 2022-11-14 10:10 |
#6 ^ Can't even say Fire Control |
Posted by: Frank G 2022-11-14 09:58 |
#5 Watch the Chinese do damage control drills. They can't do it. Our destroyers would at least float home for the most part. Theirs wouldn't. |
Posted by: DarthVader 2022-11-14 09:55 |
#4 The notion that the history of the US Navy is not positively littered with failed classes of ships is something only someone not paying attention could entertain. |
Posted by: M. Murcek 2022-11-14 08:21 |
#3 I wonder who benefited from the Zumwalt class? Who was its 'champion'? |
Posted by: Bobby 2022-11-14 08:19 |
#2 There are two types of warships in the water. Submarines and targets. |
Posted by: Lowspark 2022-11-14 07:29 |
#1 The quality of modern guided missiles and t0rped0s is such that no surface combatant will last long in a hot war. |
Posted by: M. Murcek 2022-11-14 06:50 |